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Unscientific performace measurements & observations

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:40:53 +0000

Just for fun, I thought it would be interesting to have a place to post and discuss our less-than-scientific measurements and observations of performance, based on any evidence we can collect. Perhaps we'll start to see patterns emerge. Here's a start:

From the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2zMmT9rz8

I've taken some screenshots when each boat reached a reference point, and used the video timecode to determine the time difference it took to reach the second reference point.

The times each boat took from reference point A to point B were:

OR = 10.36s

TNZ= 11.04s

difference ~ .68s

Again, this is a less than scientific approach, but may give us something useful when combined with other forms of roughly constructed evidence (or it may be completely useless)

Thoughts?

West Michigan Thread

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:31:54 +0000

So, I log in after a long absence to lodge a complaint against an SA advertiser, and I see DAWG has closed the West Michigan SA'er thread. WTF? DAWG, you're a douchebag, ED is a Douchebag and CLEAN is a douchebag. Fuck you guys...I'm outta here!

P.S. For a douchebag definition, please see the closed west Michigan thread as Fetzer has it well covered.

Can someone tell the Hydroptere to go away

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:27:07 +0000

How come everytime the AC72s start to sail in SF Bay the Hydroptere shows up?

I hate that fucking boat. Go away. You are not in the Americas Cup so go the fuck away. No one cares about your shitty boat.

The boat is an attention whore.

TNZ Launching AC72 next Saturday

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:19:56 +0000

RadioNZ just announced TNZ is having launch event on Saturday.

Edit: http://etnzblog.com/#!2012/07/big-night-in-auckland-with-the-big-cat

Grant Dalton admires the Emirates Team New Zealand AC72

Emirates Team New Zealand will reveal its AC72 catamaran at a public event at Viaduct Harbour on Saturday, July 21

The team is promising a spectacular �launch day� for the big catamaran which another step forward in the team�s campaign to win the 2013 America�s Cup at San Francisco.

Team managing director Grant Dalton says July 21 will be a big day for the team. �We have been working towards the day for 18 months. Until now we have said very little about the AC72 project and we have shown even less.

�The design team of more than 30 people has been working since the end of 2010. The build team started in August last year. The AC72i represents more than 50 man-years of design time and 65,000 hours of build time.

�The design and build work has gone ahead behind closed doors. Now it�s time to share their creation with New Zealand.

�The team will be celebrating and we invite people to celebrate with us. He said the July 21 show is free to the public. �People will have great views from the Halsey Street wharf, from public areas around the Viaduct Events Centre and from the area around the lifting bridge.

�The action takes place on the water bounded by the Halsey Street wharf and the bridge.�

He urges people to arrive at the Viaduct by 5.30pm. �The first few hundred will have the opportunity to be part of the launch crew. The show will get underway by 5.45pm.�

Should the weather refuse to cooperate on the Saturday July 21, the show will go on the following day, Sunday July 22.

no more Gennakers/ code zeros?

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:16:05 +0000

in the recent videos we have seen all the teams are either sailing downwind and gybing without their gennaker hoisted, or in many cases without it on the boat at all

Are the teams doing this to ease themselves into the San Fran conditions, or have they now worked out that the shorter course makes handling the bigger sail impractical?

Will there be a foiling beachcat class someday?

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:14:23 +0000

Any opinions about the following?

Perhaps you have strong feelings against such a class?

Is it realevant to try to sail off the beach with a foiler?

Would such a class require more wind than the average sailor has access to?

Would the class be a box rule or will some builder start a factory class? or change an existing one like say, the carbon 20 nacra?

Will all that carbon and engineering cost so much more than a stock F16 that only wealthy distance racer types that want to win their local race buy one?

Radio Control Multihulls

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:06:14 +0000

These are some boats I designed- and produced for a while-they aren't being produced now but were ahead of their time in 2001. Lets see whats going on now in RC Multihulls-like the guy that built an RC Tri with curved main foils and put T-foils on the rudder to fly it-there must be others.....
Note: for an indication of the size of the Flyer 3 look at the picture of the two boats on the dock and notice the man standing in the upper left corner of the picture.
pixs from www.microsail.com:

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65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:06:10 +0000

"I spent three years on the design of this. I've looked at thousands and thousands of yachts."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_18884125?source=rss

Hey guys how long ago was it the Tin can returned home after its short adventure?

Rubber bands on spinnakers illegal under rule 55

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:04:50 +0000

That is what the head of US Sailing Rules committee said yesterday. I know some people use this instead of a spinnaker sock or a free launch. Have they stopped because of the new rule? What is common practice?

Planing hulls.

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:04:36 +0000

Hi hall , anyone knows if exist planing catamarans? Which?

Article: The billionaire and the mechanic

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:02:43 +0000

It's just a fluff piece but a fun read anyway.
http://www.marinij.com/sports/ci_7005936

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Sailing in Marin: The billionaire and the mechanic

Jan Pehrson
Article Launched: 09/26/2007 01:34:40 PM PDT

(Photo by Jan Pehrson)
Golden Gate Yacht Club commodore Norbert Bajurin stands with Larry Ellison, who owns the BMW Oracle America's Cup team that is sponsored by GGYC.

AFTER half a dozen years of trying to win the America's Cup and bring the oldest trophy in sport back to the San Francisco Bay, the gold collar-blue collar partnership of Larry Ellison and Norbert Bajurin - the billionaire and the mechanic - is going strong.

Now into their third America's Cup challenge (they made it to the finals in 2003 and the semifinals in 2007) theirs was a marriage of convenience.

In America's Cup racing, only clubs, not individuals, can challenge. In 2001, Ellison, billionaire CEO of Oracle Corporation and owner of Oracle racing team, wanted to challenge for the America's Cup. Ellison needed a partner.

At that time Larkspur's Bajurin, owner of a radiator repair business in San Francisco's Western Addition, had just taken over as commodore of the Golden Gate Yacht Club. He was shocked when he opened the club's books and discovered $450,000 of debt. Bajurin had inherited a struggling yacht club and he needed a savior.

In an October 2002 article for San Francisco Magazine, writer Julian Guthrie gave the newly-formed partnership the moniker "The Billionaire and The Mechanic."

Guthrie wrote: "In this most unlikely of partnerships, the little club landed a sugar daddy and the corporate chieftain snagged a cheerleader. The prenuptial agreement had perks for both sides. The mechanic turned deal maker steered the club from bankruptcy and onto center stage of the world's most elite nautical show. The technology titan pulled off a quiet coup. He found a way to set the rules, pick the players, run the show, and be a part of the team."

Today, Ellison and Bajurin remain committed and, despite the inevitable overtures from prestigious, affluent organizations like the New York Yacht Club and the St. Francis Yacht Club, the little Golden Gate Yacht Club remains the Oracle team's home port.

"Norbert is one of the most enthusiastic partners we have on the team," Ellison said. "I only wish that I can bring the Cup back to San Francisco for him."

"Larry Ellison is not a quitter," said Bajurin, a Marin resident for 40 years. "As long as he continues in his quest for the Cup, I will be there."

At first glance, the two men seem to have little in common.

Ellison is listed by Forbes Magazine as America's fourth-richest person in 2007 with a net worth of $26 billion. He climbed in ranking and personal wealth from Forbes' previous annual list despite the tens of millions of dollars he poured into his America's Cup campaign - pocket change. His company, Oracle, also posted hefty increases in sales and profits.

Bajurin is still worried about money to pay the bills for his club, his 14-person business, and at home. The Golden Gate Yacht Club is solvent now, thanks to the initiation fees and dues from its new members, the sailors and support staff of Ellison's racing team. But the dozen overseas trips that Bajurin has taken to support the team have been costly, both in time away from his business and more than $100,000 out of his pocket.

"My father says I am nuts," Bajurin said.

Ellison may have a few extra zeros after his bank balance, but the two men have much in common. Like Bajurin, Ellison is a self-made man who feels comfortable at the Golden Gate Yacht Club. The small club with big views of the Golden Gate Bridge was founded in 1939 by mechanics, carpenters and fisherman looking for a down-to-earth place to hang out with regular folks. They established an open membership policy with very reasonable fees.

"Larry has a keen sense of street smarts," said Bajurin. "He is a blue-collar background guy. He came out of the back door of a Chicago apartment and had to work his way through life. His mom gave him up for adoption and his aunt raised him as her son.

As in all relationships, there have been good times and bad times for the partners.

After the 32nd America's Cup racing wrapped in Spain last July, they reacted with dismay as the victorious Swiss team, Alinghi, announced a new protocol for the upcoming 33rd America's Cup.

"It was unacceptable," Bajurin said. "It was like having to run a three-legged horse in a horse race."

Declaring that the Swiss were seeking to impose an unprecedented one-sided set of rules that unfairly benefited themselves, the defender, to the detriment of all other competitors, the Golden Gate Yacht Club filed a lawsuit, and is currently awaiting the next hearing on Oct. 22.

Meanwhile, the team for the Golden Gate Yacht Club's upcoming 33rd challenge is forming under the leadership of legendary Kiwi sailor Russell Coutts. Like Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak in baseball, Coutts is unbeaten in Cup racing, with a 14-0 record.

Now 52, Bajurin doesn't expect to be enjoying his golden years anytime soon, as long as Ellison continues questing after the America's Cup, the holy grail of yachting. But Bajurin has no regrets.

"Bottom line, Larry did me a favor," he said. "He trusted a yacht club, and before the yacht club, he had to trust me. Through the years, things are getting better and better."

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Lesbian Robot Rant

Sat, 25 May 2013 18:02:03 +0000

HELP!!! Trying to show a friend my personal favorite post of ALL time on SA. Have searched and searched, but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated.

On second thought maybe this should be in GA. Sorry bout that

MS

HEINEKEN HPDO 2012

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:58:40 +0000

It's only 8 weeks away to the best high performance dinghy event on the east coast.

Let's top last years record of 125 boats. http://www.hpdo.org/HPDO_Site/Results.html

Register now at http://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=665

The first Irish entry is in.

MONEY & Nationality, How about All Funding, All Crew

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:54:49 +0000

Anyone think of that one ?

Swiftsure 2013 Thread

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:47:48 +0000

Close to 200 boats, IRC, and etc.

Two Weeks out!!!!!

Artemis?

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:47:44 +0000

hello from germany! i visited the famous hangar-7 airplane museum in salzburg (austria) this week. a cool place. but i saw something intresting out of the sailing world as well. two guys with Artemis Racing Jackets and two guys with red bull baseball caps had a meeting in the cafeshop of the red bull airplane museum. after some investigation i found out it was Artemis Racing CEO Paul Cayard with the austrian multihull double olympic champions roman hagara and hans peter steinacher. the austrians run an extreme 40 team in the extreme 40 world series. artemis was one of their competitors in 2011....intresting....does anyone know if they are sailing for artemis now?

Jib sheet fairlead advice

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:43:14 +0000

We got a terrible wrap on the jib sheet 1 minute before the start last night. We could have been better at dealing with it but by the time we realized we needed to cut the line to clear it we had burned up over a minute and were near last at the first mark if not last. We made up all but 14 seconds so took second, not bad under the circumstances but it was ugly.

This has never happened before in several seasons of racing but as the lead angle to the winch is about 0 degrees and should be 3 to 8 degrees I think I should do something about it. I need some kind of fairlead to pull the sheet down about 4 inches. The line will be at about 170 degrees instead of 180 so a 10 degree bend. The sheet is 1/2 inch StaSet.

I did some very rough measurement of the added friction from a 10 degree bend at a fairlead and got 3% so not much. Probably means a block is not necessary. The line friction I measured was linear up to 30 degrees where it was about 10% and took a break above that and was about 50% at a 45 degree line bend. Very crude measurement but a measurement nonetheless.

Here is a sketch of my setup and some things I am considering as a fairleads.

Anyone have an opinion or dealt with this kind of setup?

Below is simple but not very elegant.

Below is a standard fairlead but I am afraid it would not be strong enough (no spec)?

Strong enough but hole is only 1/2 inch, same as line so too small.

A block would do the job but is overkill.

Figawi

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:42:30 +0000

No Figawi thread yet? Did I scroll by it in Ocean Racing Anarchy or something?

I heard a rumor that there might be some SA coverage from a certain Sparkly boat, too!

Couldn't make it this year and need some play by play...Surely there should be some pictures of people face down in a puddle of puke on the docks by now!

Heard the weather was a bit nasty too. Anyone got the goss?

Around Block Island

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:42:21 +0000

From the crew list on the yachtscoring site.......healthy competition!

Spirit Of Hillary (Benghazi 42 CSTM) Clean, Mr Strategist Group 3 Clinton, Hillary Degeneres, Ellen Grinder Group 1 Holder, Eric Pit Group 1 Maddow, Rachel Grinder Group 1 Winfrey, Oprah Grinder Group 1

Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:32:14 +0000

It seems that Bruce Kirby has at last applied a blow torch

Having been through the almost 150 pages of documents presented to the US Federal Court, over a long wet weekend here in the UK, I will not be the least surprised if ISAF decides its needs to back away from its previous position. The 1992 ISAF plaque agreement is so simple even this non-lawyer can understand it. And the 1983 original agreement with the IYRU is too.

It would not be hard to imagine in the next week a direction from ISAF to the ILCA to stop issuing plaques to LP.

If that happens then we are in a new world.

Its been proven many times over that One Design racing does not have to be in the fastest boat, it has to be in a uniform boat, so that the very best sailor emerges from the pack.

We have 200k+ of a 1969 design, so it has critical mass. I sat on Nothe Hill in Weymouth and I saw young Australian Tom Slingsby win Gold.

The best sailor emerged from the pack.

As a Laser sailor I was in awe.

Right now the class needs to move forward, I don't care if its called a Laser or a Torch, if the class insignia is upside down (thanks Torrid)

I just want to go sailing, I want to be able to buy a new boat, buy parts and I want to know that the class is run by honourable people and by builders who pay their design royalties to the guy who designed it.. And yes I want a cheaper legal sail

Am I alone??

Sailor Running for Phoenix City Council

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:28:14 +0000

i came across this and thought wouldn't it be great if every city council, governor's office, legislature or parliament everywhere had a stock of sailors filling positions?

I know it's Phoenix, but I know there's a lot of sailors out there and this one has a San Diego connection:

http://karleneforcouncil.com/

More trailerable CATs

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:10:49 +0000

It would be noice to see more Production of Tralerable catamarans , big enough to sleep on and take anywhere. I wish i had the place, money, time! What would be your ideal catamaran ? what would you want to see in production?

Yacht broker in SF Bay area?

Sat, 25 May 2013 17:07:20 +0000

Whoops, forget it.

-jim lee

X-79 tuning

Sat, 25 May 2013 16:58:25 +0000

Hello,

I'd like to make my X-79 a bit faster. I don't sail any one design races. Just lokal races with the "yardstick" system.

I changed the backstay from wire to dyneema. What eals can I do.

Ideal would be a cheap solution which makes me a lot faster

So for example a carbon rigg would be much to expensiv.

Thanks

Looking to Crew near Irvine/Orange County, CA

Sat, 25 May 2013 16:51:01 +0000

I relocated from Cleveland, OH to Irvine, CA, and I'm looking to get back involved in sailing/racing again. In Cleveland, I sailed mostly with my father on his Soverel 33, but I also have some experience sailing on a J-24, Kelley 28, Hobie 18, Beneteau 36.7, and C&C 115 to name a few. It's been about a year or two since my last competitive sailing, but I would very much like to get back involved. Can anyone here help me out? Possible boats to ride on? Possible yacht clubs to walk up-and-down the docks and find a ride? Any newsletter/website outlining the yacht clubs of Orange Counties sailing regattas?

Thanks.

SF Bay AC Spotting

Sat, 25 May 2013 16:49:54 +0000

Can we have one thread for any actionable intelligence of ac72 movements on the bay?
This includes webcam sightings, base happenings, inside information - or whatever.
Anything that would help those with the time, equipment, and inclination to photo, video, or just go out and watch.
But minimal chatter otherwise(not mentioning names, you know who you are).

Keeping signal / noise ratio high is a big ask i know - silly perhaps. But it will allow folks to sign up for instant notification from this one thread and not be buried.

This could lead to some good collaboration, perhaps some simultaneous video capture from various vantage points to allow for triangulation, etc.

Help Solo get banned again

Sat, 25 May 2013 16:24:43 +0000

"Solo's ban has been lifted but only to the level acceptable to the vaginas maintaining the status quo at this site. Without posting Solo cannot get banned again. Without your help Solo cannot start posting. Help Solo to start posting and get banned again. Ban Solo!"

"America's Cup Uncovered" Show

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:50:11 +0000

Well, FINALLY we have some information regarding broadcasting and online offerings from the organizers. Will these broadcasters also be airing the events?

America's Cup Uncovered - Opening
Posted on 28 July 2011

A global first, the new weekly magazine program America�s Cup Uncovered is designed to connect viewers with the people, places and stories that are the backbone of the America�s Cup. Featuring behind-the-scenes sneak-peeks, athlete profiles and up-close action on and off the water, America�s Cup Uncovered will take an in-depth look at the 34th edition over the next two years, offering an exclusive window into one of the most prestigious events in sport.

With more than 90 weekly programs planned, the first episode will feature a variety of segments that will set the stage for future America�s Cup Uncovered episodes:

The show begins with a focus on the complete reinvention of the America�s Cup, as the sport drives towards the future.
Viewers will be introduced to the new home of the America�s Cup - San Francisco - and how the natural amphitheater of the San Francisco Bay is setting the stage for the Cup�s transformation.
Up close and personal with James Spithill (Australia) of ORACLE Racing, the youngest skipper to ever win the Cup, and what a typical �day at the office� entails, with eyes always set on defending his team�s win.
A preview of Cascais, the site of the inaugural America�s Cup World Series, which is the new professional circuit bringing the America�s Cup experience to port cities around the globe.
And finally, a visit to the past, with a visit to Auckland, New Zealand, where locals recall their Cup experience and how the oldest trophy in international sport helped rebuild and modernize their city�s waterfront.
Each episode is 30-minutes in duration, and available from 08:00 PDT / 11:00 EDT / 15:00 GMT on Saturdays, each week.

Each episode is available online for seven days, until the next episode is aired each Saturday, and from select international broadcasters, including:

Hong Kong - PCCW
UK - BSkyB
Spain - Mediaset
Portugal - TVI
LATAM - ESPN Sur
USA - ComCast Sports Network
South Africa - Supersport
New Zealand - TVNZ

http://www.americascup.com/en/Latest/Gallery/2011/7/Americas-Cup-Uncovered-preview/

By the way, that will be lame if you only get broadcast coverage if you are using ComCast, but at least we have the on-line offering.

J109 vs beneteau first 35

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:45:14 +0000

I am considering getting new Beneteau first 35 or J109. I like to daysail, coastal cruise double handed, and race beer can and several regional regattas (phrf)...so looking for all around racer cruiser....often race beer can wends main and jib given local fleet constraints....so,

Now that the "new" B first 35 has been out for a few years I'd love to get people's perspectives on the plus minus of B F 35 vs J109 given my uses above....specifically interested in light air performance (2-7kts) vs other wind ranges since I sail Long Island sound....

I'm guessing I would probably love either one but will need to choose so data/ opinions appreciated....

And, any other considerations of boats from you all would be great

Looking to Crew Near Albany, NY

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:43:04 +0000

I am currently a freshman at the University of Delaware and a resident of Albany, New York. I am a part of the Delaware Club Sailing Team and over the past two semesters have gotten quite involved in both dinghy racing and big boat racing. I have sailed and raced on a Club FJ, 420, Sunfish, J109, Farr30 and a custom boat that I attached (honestly couldn't tell you what it is). I would like to continue racing over the summer and don't really no where to go or who to ask. Could you all help me out?

Missing Boat WLIS

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:32:11 +0000

Missing from her mooring in Milton Harbor, Rye, on Wednesday morning, May 22nd. Last seen Tuesday evening.

Description: "Bounty" is a 28 foot HBI - black tube with white cabin and single black Suzuki 300 hp engine. Very recognizable (see picture below.) Many here will remember her as mark or safety boat for AYC in various events, including the recent Spring Series. Also used as tender (hence the justification for posting in SA, I guess.)

Coast Guard and Marine Police have been notified. Two searches of the nearby coastline on Wed were unproductive.

If you see Bounty, please notify your local harbor police or CG and me by pm. If seen in Milton Harbor she has probably been recovered and just pm me, please.

Thanks

no longer thirsty, my friend

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:25:09 +0000

About right for a crew of 4

Can't wait for the lifejacket wearing, 4ksb puritans telling us about the evils of drink

2013 Down the Bay

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:24:54 +0000

Bump's in, or at least trying to if the website works...

...HOOTing in der'hood...........

Sat, 25 May 2013 15:12:12 +0000

.....been spending a fair bit of time in compwest's massive boatyard assembling some HOOT!s,,,haven't had too much to report on,,but certainly it's time for an update........

.......I've now got 4 HOOTs up and going,,,and have had a wonderful team of talent test-sailing,,practicing,,and racing!....thanks Emma,Freiderick,Andy,and others for your fine efforts and sometimes 'unique' tests you and the HOOTs went through,,I certainly couldn't have managed it on my own.

........Racing,april 20/21 was fun with wind-on,,,unfortunately one illness and a last minute replacement helsman added up to only 3 boats on the line,,,but it was fun to be out!.......learnt that in the20kt range,with chop from current against wind,,there is indeed a chance for driving the bow in,particularly for lighter sailors it seems

.......In the workshop,,I've been having some challenges to get the right 'fit' on the sail's boltropes.The HOOT inventory came with 2 boltrope sails that went up/down reasonably well,,but new boltrope's aremore challenging,,but I've been learning lots!....lesson one was the importance of exact positioning of the 'batten pocket protector' caps on the sail,,,,,but heavy friction continued,,,,eased a fair bit with the addition of a rig pre-bender,,,but it seems there's still more to sort ,,,I'm looking at the boltrope's stitching and checking various boltrope options--never new there was somany choices!

....soon will have a 5th boat on the test-track,in preparation for.........

.....SEATTLE HOOT-NOOD! .......last weekend,,I dropped 2 HOOTs at sandpoint sailing centre for four fine lads to practice on for the regatta,,,which will include two other boats that ChrisMaas,the designer has,,,so with any luck,, we're looking at a 7 boat HOOT-NOOD!

...BobC,,,one of the seattle team,,put a couple of go-pro's on the boats and made a fun video.......really made my day,,too bad about the peice of line over the camera-lens!...sailing was in 8-15kts,,puffy,shifty,,,hence the sheeting ,body changes.......enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp83qkxt5ks&feature=player_embedded

Oracle AC72

Sat, 25 May 2013 14:58:14 +0000

OK, it's D-day for Oracle's first 72. Any spies out there? Need someone with their boat and a good lense to be Johnny on the Spot. Still no web-cams that show Pier 80, is there?

North American PHRF Sportboat Ratings and Rankings

Sat, 25 May 2013 14:32:22 +0000

At my club on Lake Champlain in Vermont, we are more likely to have a mixed PHRF sportboat fleet before we ever have any specific model get a one design fleet. However, we have multiple sportboats around, not all of which currently race (unfortunately).

I would like to come up with a list that provides guidance for our PHRF board and anyone else trying to fit sportboats into existing fleets.

Currently, we have the following on our light wind lake, not all with boats racing:

099 - Melges 24 (no more on the lake, but most sportboat time on lake)
102 - Viper 640
111 - Melges 20
??? - J/70
??? - Open 5.70
180 - Open 5.00

Reference keel boats:

099 - J/92s OD
105 - J/92 PHRF
108 - C&C 99 OD
111 - J/29 MHOB
117 - J/29 FROB
117 - J/80 PHRF
120 - J/80 OD

We think the Viper 640 should be at 108 or even 111

The Melges 20 might belong at 114 or 117 or 120.

I have not seen the local J/70 or Open 5.70 race yet.

Where would a VX One, Ultimate 20, or a Rocket 22 go?

jason

Front Page Jihad Against Artemis

Sat, 25 May 2013 14:22:37 +0000

That last item about Artemis' private event is just out of control, IMHO. I think the ED needs to put himself on a timeout. Gotta get some perspective.

Boom Sheaves in a 1990 C&C 37+

Sat, 25 May 2013 14:11:44 +0000

I have a new (to me) C&C 37+ and need to replace all 6 sheaves in the boom (inboard and outboard reefing lines and outhaul). All 6 appear to be original (1990). The outhaul was wire and I am replacing it with Dyneema. Each sheave (plastic for the reefing lines and aluminium for the outhaul) is 51 mm od (2 3/8), 13 mm id (1/2) and 16 mm (7/16) wide. The width is the problem, they each have their own channel and I cannot find ones that take a 1/2" pin but are only 7/16" wide.

Help?

Thanks!

Martec folder destroyed by neighbor's electrical problem

Sat, 25 May 2013 14:06:22 +0000

Story is there was a problem with the neighbor's inverter. Running gear on his boat and those to either side of him damaged. This is my client's prop:

America's Cup Review Panel

Sat, 25 May 2013 13:56:40 +0000

[Source: America's Cup] Regatta Director Iain Murray and Golden Gate Yacht Club Vice Commodore Tom Ehman will announce the members of an independent panel to review all aspects of training and racing of AC72 yachts in the 34th Americas Cup.

The panel will report and make recommendations to the organizers and the competitors.
The scope of work for the review panel will be detailed during a press briefing at Pier 27 in San Francisco on Tuesday afternoon.

Crucially, the review and report will be conducted independently of any organizer or competitor in the 34th Americas Cup.

From VSail http://www.vsail.info/2013/05/14/americas-cup-review-panel-to-be-announced-on-tuesday/

49 er C board section

Sat, 25 May 2013 13:38:51 +0000

Many years back Julian & Frank B published an article on the development of the 49 er Cb section and in particular some improvements to drag reduction as a consequence of some changes to the leading edge radius.

Anybody got a copy of the article or in E form that can be posted.

J/24 Masthead Kite

Sat, 25 May 2013 13:14:41 +0000

Im hoping to race a J/24 under IRC and want to put a Masthead Kite on it. (No One Design Class near me).

Does anyone have suggestions as to how that could be rigged without taking the mast out of OD rules? I want to race OD in the future.

How would I attach a temporary sheave or block on the top of the mast?

Does anyone have a pic of the J/24 masthead? I havn't seen the rig yet.

Bigger Boom for an IOR design

Sat, 25 May 2013 13:11:19 +0000

I am in the process of purchasing a 1983 S&S Catalina 38. Through all my research on the boat I keep hearing about their down wind sailing performance and have seen a few articles about extending the boom and installing a bigger main sail to help eleviate weather helm and improve down wind performance. Esentially, balancing the boat. What are your thoughts on this? Keep in mind that I have not sailed this boat yet and may find no issues with it what so ever but, I would like to hear some thoughts on the subject all the same. Also wondering if this will increase the overall performance of the boat?

Luna Rossa 72

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:54:48 +0000

With no one with half a clue and all the shit going on how long to you give the well dressed boys from Italie? And they are just dripping with talent are't they.............................

Best skiff boots

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:48:18 +0000

My skipper and I are just leaving the 29er fleet to enter the 49er fleet, and are both in the need of some new gear for our endeavor. We especially need some new boots, because the ones we were using have worn out already and weren't the greatest things. What are some good skiff boots for a 49er crew? We need a boot that allows to have a "feel" of the boat, because we are always standing on spinnaker halyard when trying to hoist or douse it.

YAWN

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:46:45 +0000

Let this be open season on those who Love and Hate the "New AC"

If Foling and Wing Sails are soooooooo Cool.

"Why has ISAF not tried to get the A-Cats and their "WIng Sails and the Foiling Moth" in the Teleympics??????

Let me burst your bubble. No one Cares except you, "The Sailor". Why???

Because sailing is a Participatory sport. Not one that is Telecentric. Even at the AC Level it is BORING.

Give me "Open Southern OCEAN VOR Footage" That is sailing.

Not LE and RC jacking each other off.

The AC is a Rich Man "DICKFEST" as it always has been and will never be nothing more.

It will never be F1 like because the rules change with every New Champion.

There is no consistiency to Sailing. Looka t Auto Racing and there are RULES that stay constituent to the vehicle raced.

THe AC is a Dinosaur that should have died with FAY/Conner Challenge.

I'd rather watch Youth/College/Paralympic Racing.

Coastal explorer ipad experiment

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:43:49 +0000

Figured (always dangerous) before cruising NW this summer I'd setup and try out computer based nav system.

1). Coastal explorer running on old Lenovo laptop secured at nav station with dc charger, ie 12V
2) GPS redundantly supplied by standard horizon cp300 chartplotter and new vesper marine xb8000 ais transponder, both over USB. I really like the vesper marine.
3) Netgear wireless router mounted under nav station also wired into 12V for ships wireless
4). iPad mounted at helm with ram mount removable connector
5). 12v charger for iPad mounted in nav pod for continuous operation
6). Iteleport remote Desktop app ($49) running on laptop and ipad to remote coastal explorer display and control to laptop over ships wireless. Iteleport worked right "out of the box", a nice surprise.
7). The weak point, a glorified plastic bag for waterproofing. Am considering the life proof waterproof case.

So far on a couple of cruises around the Columbia the system has worked well. Coastal explorer is nice to use and the remoting on the iPad also works well. Downsides at the moment are mechanical. Mainly a clean waterproofing for the iPad. The other issue is you like to grab onto the helm for support sometimes, and the iPad and mount is not something to grab. My ipad power cable is temporary and is simply an apple cable. Should I "institutionalize" the setup I would dress out a more robust solution. I have a backup old Lenovo laptop and for not much $ could have a backup Netgear router programmed and in the locker.

If anyone has any opinions about waterproof ipad cases I would appreciate it.

Paul, Sugar Pine, Valinat 39

Bulking up 10mm spectra cored double braid

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:23:59 +0000

I'm considering replacing a 12mm double braid polyester genoa halyard for a 535 sq ft (50m2) sail. Currently I get horizontal wrinkles when the halyard is as tight as I can get it on the winch.

The replacement halyard I'd like to use is 10mm. Spectra/dyneema core with polyester braid cover. The boat is a fasting cruising catamaran.

The halyard goes through a Lewmar clutch which is sized for 12-14mm rope.

How easily can I insert a core thickening insert rope to this type of rope construction to bulk up the diameter so the clutch will grab it?

Missing Ed and Clean?

Sat, 25 May 2013 12:07:20 +0000

What gives? This is one of the largest weeks for the future of professional and big boat sailing ever. Many industry $$$,$$$,$$$ and hundreds of sailing jobs are up in the air.

Crickets, nothing, nada of value or insight from the SA Brain Trust?

Has Ed really moved on to chemical blonds and Indy cars? Has Clean moved to a pro bono legal and civil rights focus?

When is the last time anyone has heard anything of value from either one of them?

Maybe they are both in self flagellation morning?

Somehow the public must be entitled to answers here. We must!

I look forward to anyone who can show one bit of information of value from the SA insiders over the last week or more?

Just Sayin? Thoughts?

What is the most difficult boat to sail?

Sat, 25 May 2013 11:34:40 +0000

I'm just curious, which class is considered the most difficult to sail. Of course it isn't an easy question to answer, but still. I believe this must be a dinghy, hence I started the thread here.

18footer , 12 footer, IC, narrow skiff skiff moth, 49er, swift solo, or something else?