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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:22 AM

On the drawing in Proboat UFO stands for Universal Foiling One-design a much more apt name, hopefully in a short while, certainly over the pond, it will be very 'identifiable'

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:21 PM

On the drawing in Proboat UFO stands for Universal Foiling One-design a much more apt name, hopefully in a short while, certainly over the pond, it will be very 'identifiable'

 

I have Proboat#166 with Daves article. The drawing is on page 24 and the boat is discussed as "UFO(Unidentified Foiling Object)". I was surprised that Dave would have changed it and that I didn't see it. So ,in fact, it hasn't been changed unless I missed it in some other location.



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 01:31 PM

 

On the drawing in Proboat UFO stands for Universal Foiling One-design a much more apt name, hopefully in a short while, certainly over the pond, it will be very 'identifiable'

 

I have Proboat#166 with Daves article. The drawing is on page 24 and the boat is discussed as "UFO(Unidentified Foiling Object)". I was surprised that Dave would have changed it and that I didn't see it. So ,in fact, it hasn't been changed unless I missed it in some other location.

 

To clarify, it's neither. It's the UFO. The acronym is completely secondary and can be whatever you can fit into the three letters. Most of the good names from mythology, ornithology and entomology were already played out but the modern folk myth of the UFO fit the bill perfectly. That sense of "oh my god my perception of the world is permanently changed and now I'm one of the UFO crazies" fit with the experience of foiling for the first time perfectly. It stuck like glue.

To answer some other questions raised, eel grass is a thing up in RI too. You can fly with some on your foils. If you smack into a clump, you will probably land and need to reset. Still good for recreational sailing. U0001 was the most numbers we could get in the serial number system allowed. We will need to reset at the 10,000th boat.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 01:36 PM

if i get one and name it, it will be called tinfoil hat



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:15 PM

I'll name mine, HAARP then.



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:33 PM

I think we can all confidently say we would rather have a really late delivery than a boat that's poorly made or where the early versions suck compared to the later ones. So ya, they will get here when they get here, and it's hard to wait though. 

 

Plus, I would assume all of us have at least one other boat to play with in the meantime. 



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:19 PM

I think we can all confidently say we would rather have a really late delivery than a boat that's poorly made or where the early versions suck compared to the later ones. So ya, they will get here when they get here, and it's hard to wait though. 

 

Plus, I would assume all of us have at least one other boat snow shovel to play with in the meantime. 

Fixed it.



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Posted 27 March 2017 - 01:20 AM

In reply to "kind of blue", we have a demo boat on its way from R. I. and will have boats available here in Big Bear Lake, Ca. in June.



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Posted 27 March 2017 - 11:09 AM

Hi Dave,

I like the mast hole being open at the bottom. I reinforced the mast hole bottom of my 11ft toy with a stainless steel beaker, glass fibre and some epoxy after the first season. The (PTFE?) ferrule rim is quite small in surface area, resulting in high surface pressure. Being located at a larger radius, there will be more travel distance per rotation, too. And there will be much sheeting ;-). Will the UFO have a replaceable PTFE washer mounted to the hull to facilitate rotation and to protect the gelcoat from attrition?

Will you seal the vertical struts to keep the water out and maintain any buoyancy there is?

 

Cheers, Tom.



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Posted 27 March 2017 - 01:41 PM

In reply to "kind of blue", we have a demo boat on its way from R. I. and will have boats available here in Big Bear Lake, Ca. in June.

Woohoo! Please let me know when we can come down for a demo ride.



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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:43 AM

given the sail-porn potential of this thread it is still seriously lacking image and video content.

It's all cool to talk about those tits in theory, but I want so see some action!!!

come on! UFO vs Wasp, is that all there is so far?

 

shoreline showing crashing moth in waves and then the UFO in ultra flat water? it that the best you've got?



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 04:53 PM

It's happening!  Things getting tweaked for production. 

 

Very psyched old person here....



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 09:14 PM

Steve Clark is the Oracle of design, so naturally many thought this was the Ultimate From Steve or UFO for short.



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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:58 PM

I like that!!!

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:26 PM

Dave can you give us an update on how production is going? 



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 08:52 PM

Dave can you give us an update on how production is going? 

Take a look at the Fulcrum facebook page. Multiple hulls out of the mold.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:26 PM

More UFOs in the mothership.

 

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:34 PM

Dave, would adding an alternative lighter monohull (moth-like, not carbon) to the ufo package be worth your consideration in a year or two. I could imagine that humble sailors like me that get foiling on an ufo would like the idea of having a second monohull to play with down the road. Would the concept of using one rig, foil/strut pair etc for two alternative hulls be reasonable? For my part, I would be interested.
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Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:51 AM

Dave, would adding an alternative lighter monohull (moth-like, not carbon) to the ufo package be worth your consideration in a year or two. I could imagine that humble sailors like me that get foiling on an ufo would like the idea of having a second monohull to play with down the road. Would the concept of using one rig, foil/strut pair etc for two alternative hulls be reasonable? For my part, I would be interested.
Tom

To put it in frank terms, no. In our estimation, that would get rid of one of the UFOs best features. Once you're airborne, and actually a little before that, the monohull-multihull distinction stops having any meaning. Switching from a multi to a mono would just make it tippier on the water and less forgiving when it comes down from the air. Further, another singlehander is not on the cards since we're pretty confident we hit that target solidly with the UFO. We may do some other....wilder... things several years down the line once we're confident that the UFO is a strong international one-design, but none of that will be related to the UFO, for the sake of protecting the class.

 

Other questions:

 

#715: Very encouragingly. We're scaling up another step in a little bit to handle all this demand. With 53 boats pre-sold and a couple disturbingly large bulk orders on the horizon it looks like we need to put more hands on the production line. 

 

#711: Planning on a bunch of actual concrete comparisons in the coming months. I think we could all benefit from a lot more rigorous study of the two boats sailing against one another in a variety of conditions. 

 

#709. UHMW (and in one case polycarbonate) wear-rings are involved in nearly every place that a thing slides or rotates relative to another thing.

 

 

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 06:49 PM

I couldn't be more thrilled with that response. The last thing I want is another pretty cool boat I can't really race because there is no fleet and handicaps are stupid. Will improvements be found? Sure. Will they outweigh the benefits of one design? No. No!!

Do one thing. Do it well. Repeat.

I miss one design so much I was ogling J70s this weekend with 14 boats at their circuit stop...While I got handicap beaten by a good sailor on a Boston whaler. Who knows who actually sailed best that race.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 06:53 PM

haha the Harpoons are portsmouth killers! So is the scorpion.



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:09 PM

P.E. R. T chart helps Dave to tie all the pieces together.

PERT chart! MiGod- I haven't heard of a PERT chart since 1962.



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Posted Today, 12:48 AM

Wall Street Journal had a foiling boat article this weekend.

https://www.wsj.com/...ling-1492709822

Sadly, UFO didn't make the article. May be a good thing if Dave isn't ready for that much publicity yet though.




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