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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:29 AM

Casual and happy .. because their boat shed has a new bike - tramp test/training setup now.

Which could explain things too, if they already knew of an even bigger/later 'secret' plan than what ETNZ thought they had sprung? Lol
If we start hearing about USA super-athletes taking an interest then maybe the pedalboat race will be on but for now? Color me skeptical.. it's almost as plausible as the notion that a big factor behind ET's going that path, was over losing their best grinders, and their Helm, to the bigger money offered by TJ.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:45 AM

 

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The USA patch looks very temporary on arm. Maybe they're unsure of which team they'll be crewing for? USA/Bermuda/Australia or Japan?


Trump might be about to enforce Nationality Rules...

 

 

And just taking another look at that patch, he must be one of their Mexican grinders? That USA flag seems the wrong way round? Don't you get a kicking for that sort of thing in the US of A?



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:15 AM

 

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The USA patch looks very temporary on arm. Maybe they're unsure of which team they'll be crewing for? USA/Bermuda/Australia or Japan?

Trump might be about to enforce Nationality Rules...
 
 
And just taking another look at that patch, he must be one of their Mexican grinders? That USA flag seems the wrong way round? Don't you get a kicking for that sort of thing in the US of A?
Traditionally we are big on Flag Etiquette, as the Stars and Stipes is on the right arm and the union (blue field and white stars) is facing forward, the position of the flag is correct, but should probably be placed above the Yanmar logo, but not important.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:20 AM

Hey, thanks! You learn something new every day. Really did think it was an odd mistake-a-to-make-a...  8-)



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 02:27 PM

Again with the photo-chop?

 

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don't the spies have it all by now anyway - no where to hide boys



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:27 PM

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 03:34 PM

^ Nice work if you can get it!



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:09 PM

^ Nice work if you can get it!

Yes, good photo.

There looks to be a boat wake but it also looks like a good photo opportunity for a drone if it's allowed for monitoring your own boat.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:15 PM

Why is Spithill pumping in some of the shots?

 

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Isn't it cute....

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ORACLE TEAM USA sailed its new America's Cup Class boat on Bermuda's Great Sound for the first time on Monday.

"We've made a big step," said Sailing Team Manager and tactician Tom Slingsby, on coming ashore.

"The boat was doing well, the new foils are quite nice, it was about as good a first day as you could hope to have."

Conditions were perfect for a first day of testing, with winds building from 10 to 12 knots over the course of the four-hour session.

 

https://www.americas...-big-step-.html



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:32 PM

Again with the photo-chop?

 

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don't the spies have it all by now anyway - no where to hide boys

 

Oracle Team USA right below the top of the foil with AIRBUS on it is good for a laugh.  

 

Team USA indeed.

 

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:51 PM

Cruzin on a Monday afternoon .

Rather casual for a first time on the water .

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:55 PM

Awesome. 17 looks like the goods alright.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:11 PM



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

Cruzin on a Monday afternoon .

Rather casual for a first time on the water .

Probably learnt their lesson about pushing too hard early on last time round...



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:59 PM

Again with the photo-chop?

 

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don't the spies have it all by now anyway - no where to hide boys

That looks reeeaaally aerodynamic!!!



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:13 PM

I suspect that they'll be less casual with body position at a later date...



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:23 PM

In the head on picture above, I'd say that the Oracle foils look a little smaller that the comparable (breeze on) foils we saw on BAR......might just be paranoia as surely the difference is going to be very slight, but they do look pretty short.



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:33 PM

In the head on picture above, I'd say that the Oracle foils look a little smaller that the comparable (breeze on) foils we saw on BAR......might just be paranoia as surely the difference is going to be very slight, but they do look pretty short.

Gee, d'ya think so too?

And here I thought everyone so far has come out sporting long, kinky foils :8

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:38 PM

I'm trying to decide if the transition on that foil from white to black is a join or the result of bad photoshop?



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:40 PM

I'm trying to decide if the transition on that foil from white to black is a join or the result of bad photoshop?

It looked like a join to me too but after thinking about the sun angle it's probably just the lighting. Neat how close it gets to the water without touching, may be intentional.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:41 PM

Someone needs to test the no (digital) shrouding clause

 

 

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or maybe

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 04:56 AM

Casual and happy .. because their boat shed has a new bike - tramp test/training setup now.

Which could explain things too, if they already knew of an even bigger/later 'secret' plan than what ETNZ thought they had sprung? Lol
If we start hearing about USA super-athletes taking an interest then maybe the pedalboat race will be on but for now? Color me skeptical.. it's almost as plausible as the notion that a big factor behind ET's going that path, was over losing their best grinders, and their Helm, to the bigger money offered by TJ.

Spinbot history rewrite.....
Deano was shown the door...

Yip then he sulked and then the Japs went silly and hired him.

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 05:01 AM

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 06:47 AM

 

 

Casual and happy .. because their boat shed has a new bike - tramp test/training setup now.

Which could explain things too, if they already knew of an even bigger/later 'secret' plan than what ETNZ thought they had sprung? Lol
If we start hearing about USA super-athletes taking an interest then maybe the pedalboat race will be on but for now? Color me skeptical.. it's almost as plausible as the notion that a big factor behind ET's going that path, was over losing their best grinders, and their Helm, to the bigger money offered by TJ.

Spinbot history rewrite.....
Deano was shown the door...

 

Deano knew the writing was on the wall after the Moth Worlds in Sorrento. When you were resoundingly beaten by your understudy, wing trimmer, trimmer, tactician and hell knows how many from other teams as well, you know your future is limited.



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Posted 22 February 2017 - 07:52 AM

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...

No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....

The Japs are going to be disappointed.

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 08:40 PM

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol

Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .

How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?

I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 08:55 PM

If you're not sure whether its him, just mention Deans sailing history and wait...

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 09:01 PM

If you're not sure whether its him, just mention Deans sailing history and wait...

 

It's him. Don't bother.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:18 AM

 

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol

Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .

How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?

I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)

 

 

He can hide his ID, he can't hide his crush for Deano for very long  :wub: 



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:39 AM

Is ThirdReefGrin also one of his altered personalities? Hoping so..

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 02:38 AM

MOB today on OTUSA, Unidentified crew went over the front of the forward beam, hope he's okay. 

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 02:51 AM

Jeezus, hope he's okay too. Going mob between the hulls, especially forward of the main foils, is potentially deadly. His hands are grabbing something in both shots, it may have helped?

Yikes.........

edit: he lost grip in the second photo, here's praying he dropped well outside of the lee hull instead of between them

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:06 AM

At least he didn't have a saddle to remove vital parts of his anatomy. 8)

Good to see OR having problems, but hope no one was injured...

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:12 AM

Did the airbus hit some turbulence?

I sincerely hope he's ok and back sailing asap.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:16 AM

I still suspect a last minute rule change to move away from cats to submarines. This is interim step/training?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:12 AM

I still suspect a last minute rule change to move away from cats to submarines. This is interim step/training?

OR are deliberately submarining to lay the foundation for changing the rules to allow engines to drive the hydraulics - all in the interests of "safety of course!! Just ask Iain Murray..



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:15 AM

 

I still suspect a last minute rule change to move away from cats to submarines. This is interim step/training?

OR are deliberately submarining to lay the foundation for changing the rules to allow engines to drive the hydraulics - all in the interests of "safety of course!! Just ask Iain Murray..

 

Bad for the sailors.

But IM is going to change wind limits : 6 to 12 :)



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:16 AM

Change them? Does someone actually know what they are now???

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:18 AM

And I hear that any number other than 17 is unlucky and therefore dangerous. Only boats with a 17 on them will be allowed to race...

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:56 AM

 

I still suspect a last minute rule change to move away from cats to submarines. This is interim step/training?

OR are deliberately submarining to lay the foundation for changing the rules to allow engines to drive the hydraulics - all in the interests of "safety of course!! Just ask Iain Murray..

 

 

Jesus. Don't even say that in jest. That's REALLY tempting fate.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:04 AM

Sadly, I will not be surprised by whatever shit transpires.

Not saying the suggestion above is going to happen (to preclude US fanboy calls of Kiwi paranoia) but there will be something - legal, rule change, safety issue or something contentious... it wouldn't be an AC (even this lite version) otherwise.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 07:26 AM

Jeezus, hope he's okay too. Going mob between the hulls, especially forward of the main foils, is potentially deadly. His hands are grabbing something in both shots, it may have helped?
Yikes.........
edit: he lost grip in the second photo, here's praying he dropped well outside of the lee hull instead of between them


A giant Reapers Sickle coming at you at 50 mph doesn't bear thinking about..

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 07:35 AM

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol
Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .
How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?
I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)
fuck you guys are slow. Just check his name changes. He is not 3rd reef grin. That is a new level of low brow!

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:08 AM

 

 

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol
Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .
How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?
I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)
fuck you guys are slow. Just check his name changes. He is not 3rd reef grin. That is a new level of low brow!

 

Agreed .Third reef is a much younger guy. I picture him sneaking in on his moms lap top at home when shes out and trying out the new naughty words he heard on the bus coming home from school that day . 



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:26 AM

At least he didn't have a saddle to remove vital parts of his anatomy. 8)

Good to see OR having problems, but hope no one was injured...

 

+1



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:24 AM

 

 

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol
Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .
How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?
I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)
fuck you guys are slow. Just check his name changes. He is not 3rd reef grin. That is a new level of low brow!
 
Agreed .Third reef is a much younger guy. I picture him sneaking in on his moms lap top at home when shes out and trying out the new naughty words he heard on the bus coming home from school that day . 

You spend a lot of time picturing school boys max?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:12 AM

 

 

 

Dean knew it was over the second race he ever sailed in the AC...
No!... he new he was a choker the first time he lost and then threw a tantrum and trashed his boat. Luckily daddy brought him a new one/s....
The Japs are going to be disappointed.

It IS you ! Lol
Every time you mention Dean wrecking his boat you out yourself .
How many active screen names are you under out of curiosity ?
I'm thinking three to four at the moment ;)
fuck you guys are slow. Just check his name changes. He is not 3rd reef grin. That is a new level of low brow!

 

Agreed .Third reef is a much younger guy. I picture him sneaking in on his moms lap top at home when shes out and trying out the new naughty words he heard on the bus coming home from school that day . 

 

Nah, he's watching his mum's homemade porn!



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:31 PM

The OTUSA sailor thrown overboard was Graeme Spence, says Spithill on Instagram:

https://www.instagra.../p/BQ3ApPjBrIk/

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:44 PM

 

The OTUSA sailor thrown overboard was Graeme Spence, says Spithill on Instagram:

https://www.instagra.../p/BQ3ApPjBrIk/

 

 

oh my God!

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:05 PM

Yikes...extremely lucky, just ask Franck

 

Boat did well, better than OB1 in SF...



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:29 PM

Philippe Presti has posted a bit more. But I can'tunderstand what I am seeing... Is he skipping on the surface of the water under the boat? Which side is front?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:53 PM

Cyrille

 

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He'd just gone off the 'jib end plate' or bow sprit* if you prefer, forward of the front beam.

 

Front beam (Panerai BMW) is still behind him in these pics.

 

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Leeward (port) hull mostly underwater - to the right of shot.

 

He's not skipping, he just hasn't gone in yet, lots of 'frames per second' with that camera.

 

Main foil would have been 1.5-2m underwater - bloody scary though!

 

 

*underside of sprit looming in front of camera to the left of shot, with stay and pod further back.

 

 

 

Camera position is clear here - under the jib tack...

The stay that runs diagonally across the shots to the hull is also (just) visible

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Imagine he has gone off to the left side of the shot above (towards stb hull), with his head passing just under the main beam, you can see there's a fair bit of space above the foil.

 

Rudders :huh:



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:09 PM

 

 

The OTUSA sailor thrown overboard was Graeme Spence, says Spithill on Instagram:

https://www.instagra.../p/BQ3ApPjBrIk/

 

 

oh my God!

 

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Fuck. Could otherwise have been chopped into fish bait. Well done, that man. Buy yourself a lottery ticket.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:12 PM

I've been trying to work out which way we're looking here. I'm pretty sure the camera is behind the pod and pointing forward? That the cross beam with the text on it. That would mean the main foil is on the right, but distorted by the gopro lens? Seems like the bigger issue is, how much did he miss the rudder by?!



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:13 PM

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He'd just gone off the 'jib end plate' or bow sprit* if you prefer, forward of the front beam.

 

Front beam (Panerai BMW) is still behind him in these pics.

 

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Leeward (port) hull mostly underwater - to the right of shot.

 

He's not skipping, he just hasn't gone in yet, lots of 'frames per second' with that camera.

 

Main foil would have been 1.5-2m underwater - bloody scary though!

 

 

*underside of sprit looming in front of camera to the left of shot, with stay and pod further back.

 

 

 

Camera position is clear here, under the jib tack...

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Imagine he has gone off to the left side of the shot above (towards stb hull), with his head passing just under the main beam, there's a bit of space above the foil - luckily!

 

Rudders :huh:

Thank you, I understand the view now.

Glad he was far from the daggerboard or the rudders, as I remember what happened to Franck Cammas when he nbearly lost his foot on a GC32, a much slower foiling cat.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:22 PM

I've been trying to work out which way we're looking here. I'm pretty sure the camera is behind the pod and pointing forward? That the cross beam with the text on it. That would mean the main foil is on the right, but distorted by the gopro lens? Seems like the bigger issue is, how much did he miss the rudder by?!

The camera is on the port side looking aft, you can see the wake of the foil.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:31 PM

 

I've been trying to work out which way we're looking here. I'm pretty sure the camera is behind the pod and pointing forward? That the cross beam with the text on it. That would mean the main foil is on the right, but distorted by the gopro lens? Seems like the bigger issue is, how much did he miss the rudder by?!

The camera is on the port side looking aft, you can see the wake of the foil.

 

I don't think so. The bows are going in, and you can see that in the four pack shot, behind the sailor. You can also see the "pod" so we must be looking towards the bows. The GoPro in the head on is not the only one on that boat.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:46 PM

 

 

I've been trying to work out which way we're looking here. I'm pretty sure the camera is behind the pod and pointing forward? That the cross beam with the text on it. That would mean the main foil is on the right, but distorted by the gopro lens? Seems like the bigger issue is, how much did he miss the rudder by?!

The camera is on the port side looking aft, you can see the wake of the foil.

 

I don't think so. The bows are going in, and you can see that in the four pack shot, behind the sailor. You can also see the "pod" so we must be looking towards the bows. The GoPro in the head on is not the only one on that boat.

 

 

Look again

 

 

Cyrille

 

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He'd just gone off the 'jib end plate' or bow sprit* if you prefer, forward of the front beam.

 

Front beam (Panerai BMW) is still behind him in these pics.

 

ooops.JPG

 

Leeward (port) hull mostly underwater - to the right of shot.

 

He's not skipping, he just hasn't gone in yet, lots of 'frames per second' with that camera.

 

Main foil would have been 1.5-2m underwater - bloody scary though!

 

 

*underside of sprit looming in front of camera to the left of shot, with stay and pod further back.

 

 

 

Camera position is clear here - under the jib tack...

The stay that runs diagonally across the shots above to the hull is also (just) visible here

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(EDIT for clarity)      To get an idea of the foil clearance.......   Imagine he has gone off to the left side of the shot above (towards stb hull), with his head passing just under the main beam, you can see there's a fair bit of space above the foil.

 

Rudders :huh:

 

So the sailor (and the boat) are coming towards the camera (in a manner of speaking) mounted under the bowsprit, looking aft - in the 4x gopro set.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:17 PM

Err when I wrote "bows" I meant "stern".... obviously :P

Video here

Around 58 or 59 seconds you get the footage the stills come from. I finally realize that we're looking at the stay on the right hand side of the photo. Scary stuff.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:36 PM

That's one amazing video.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:41 PM

Err when I wrote "bows" I meant "stern".... obviously :P

 

Around 58 or 59 seconds you get the footage the stills come from. I finally realize that we're looking at the stay on the right hand side of the photo. Scary stuff.

 

Thanks-incredibly lucky guy!



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:52 PM

The fact the boat had lost so much speed was a blessing. If you go overboard and the boats at full speed it doesn't bear thinking about. 



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:19 PM

These guys are not being paid enough .

Will the next guy be this lucky ?

I don't think the odds are in anyone's favor once they hit the water .

If they weren't before the safety police have been put on notice but what can or will they do about it .

The very real prospect of a crewman being literally cut in half In a " stadium setting " will certainly give pause to administration and advertisers alike .

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:22 PM

This end of our sport is becoming increasingly gladiatorial. Very different from my end ... trundling round the cans with a beer in hand.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:23 PM

The fact the boat had lost so much speed was a blessing. If you go overboard and the boats at full speed it doesn't bear thinking about. 

Right - except you are unlikely to go over the front at full speed, more likely when you dig it in - or hit something........



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:40 PM

These guys are not being paid enough .

Will the next guy be this lucky ?

I don't think the odds are in anyone's favor once they hit the water .

If they weren't before the safety police have been put on notice but what can or will they do about it .

The very real prospect of a crewman being literally cut in half In a " stadium setting " will certainly give pause to administration and advertisers alike .

I'd be very much in favor of a requirement that everyone put a net between the hulls, fwd of the main beam almost to the bows.

That was a very near-death experience, it screams for proper addressing.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:47 PM

These guys are not being paid enough .

Will the next guy be this lucky ?

I don't think the odds are in anyone's favor once they hit the water .

If they weren't before the safety police have been put on notice but what can or will they do about it .

The very real prospect of a crewman being literally cut in half In a " stadium setting " will certainly give pause to administration and advertisers alike .

I'd be very much in favor of a requirement that everyone put a net between the hulls, fwd of the main beam almost to the bows.

That was a very near-death experience, it screams for proper addressing.

Two crew overboard in a week. Do the AC rules require boats to finish the race with all the crew they started with?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:00 PM

I think they can complete the race without the mob, but:

Despite it not happening, that we know of, where a guy goes between the hulls during all the time teams spent sailing the test boats, and even the 45Fs, this incident is scary enough that it happening even ONCE should be a call to action. There must be a net/mesh that wouldn't cause too much windage that can help prevent it; and it's arguable that almost any amount of windage is still worth the resulting safety. Make them one-design to be fair.

That guy damn near got cut in half, the danger is beyond ridiculous.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:04 PM

^Yeah OK Iain, we'll get right on it.....

 

Or should we just send Jimmy to drivers ed? Twist grip back = bow up damn it!

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:14 PM

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:21 PM

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:23 PM

i reckon the pedlars are in a better position, locked in, facing forward, with the hands holding on in front rather than spinning really.  Tho when crossing the tramp everyone is vulnerable.

Looks like at 59sec someone might be close to yelling hydro



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:27 PM

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:32 PM

i reckon the pedlars are in a better position, locked in, facing forward, with the hands holding on in front rather than spinning really.  Tho when crossing the tramp everyone is vulnerable.
Looks like at 59sec someone might be close to yelling hydro

Yes, anyone crossing the tramp fwd of the wing is at risk.

In this case it almost looks like he changed direction, was for some reason pivoting back to the lee side (perhaps he heard an order like you suggest), which may have contributed; but regardless of if it was in part his own stumble/trip that led to it, a f'kin safety net could have prevented him dropping into that sliced-meat Hell hole.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:37 PM

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:52 PM

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

 

Better than a pulpit and lifelines I guess. How about a sliding pocket door in the wing or an under-tramp subway tunnel? Haw haw.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:58 PM

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

Yes, wondered about that too. Would screw them up choreography wise though, I still think a net is simpler.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:02 PM

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

 

Excellent idea!



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:04 PM

 

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

 

Better than a pulpit and lifelines I guess. How about a sliding pocket door in the wing or an under-tramp subway tunnel? Haw haw.

 

They really need to address this. It's unnecessarily dangerous.

 

Some poor young bloke could lose a limb or worse still his life to being sliced and diced and it can be seen as plain as day from this video that it could happen easily.

 

I think the net and no traversing forward of the wing.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:11 PM

The net wouldn't have to be as dense as the tramp, just enough to prevent a complete fall-through.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:25 PM

I don't support the net as what happens if a dolphin gets stuck in it.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:26 PM

 

 

Instead of putting in a net, why not just make it illegal to cross the boat in front of the wing? Same rule for everyone and no physical change to the boat?

 

Better than a pulpit and lifelines I guess. How about a sliding pocket door in the wing or an under-tramp subway tunnel? Haw haw.

 

They really need to address this. It's unnecessarily dangerous.

 

Some poor young bloke could lose a limb or worse still his life to being sliced and diced and it can be seen as plain as day from this video that it could happen easily.

 

I think the net and no traversing forward of the wing.

 

 

You're absolutely correct. I shouldn't make light of a dangerous situation.

 

The thing is though, "no traversing forward of the wing" would likely favour Cyclors. Send one sprint champ across first. Quick boost, then send the other 3 in an orderly line. Better than a log jamb of 4 gorillas trying to cross, two-by-two in a rush. Thoughts?



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:27 PM

I don't support the net as what happens if a dolphin gets stuck in it.

 

Don't tell the Greens!



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:52 PM

No crossing in front of the wing would certainly seem like the easiest option to implement, but can anyone hear give us a summary of the choreography for tacks/gybes and the impact in terms of time and manoeuvres of going around the back of the wing? does it hurt the kiwis? I'm thinking less so than the others.

 

The other thing that springs to mind is having watched some of the very brief practise racing clips, the close quarters engagement before the start at serious speed is the next concern re a man overboard and the risk of someone being run over. 

 

hmmmm, the more you think about it, the riskier is all seems......



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Posted Yesterday, 12:24 AM

Remote control sailing from shore using motors to generate hydraulic pressure and fully computer controlled foil systems is the next safe and logical step.

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Posted Yesterday, 12:25 AM

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?

 

Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instance, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??



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Posted Yesterday, 12:29 AM

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
 
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?

A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.

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Posted Yesterday, 12:40 AM

 

 

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
 
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?

A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.

 

 

At this stage they are only practising .. If any team thinks the risk is too great they can fit lifelines during the testing phase .. IM can put it to the teams for a rule change for the event.



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Posted Yesterday, 12:54 AM

Remote control sailing from shore using motors to generate hydraulic pressure and fully computer controlled foil systems is the next safe and logical step.

 

Doug will be lining up already.  :)



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Posted Yesterday, 01:02 AM

 

 

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
 
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?

A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.
 
 
At this stage they are only practising .. If any team thinks the risk is too great they can fit lifelines during the testing phase .. IM can put it to the teams for a rule change for the event.
Yes, it maybe should be put to the teams.

And any team that votes No needs an ass-reeming, this is a (potentially) life and death decision.

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Posted Yesterday, 01:46 AM

 

 

 

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 
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Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
 
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?

A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.

 

 

At this stage they are only practising .. (Snip)

 

 

Forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but wasn't that exactly when the last fatality occurred?



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Posted Yesterday, 01:58 AM

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 puppet-gadget.jpg
Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?
A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.
 
At this stage they are only practising .. If any team thinks the risk is too great they can fit lifelines during the testing phase .. IM can put it to the teams for a rule change for the event.
Yes, it maybe should be put to the teams.
And any team that votes No needs an ass-reeming, this is a (potentially) life and death decision.

Gentleman start your handwringing....
You wanted extreme F1 style sailing and it looks like you got it....except F1 is safer!
Everyone has known about this since the wsl started with foils so expect IM to have his finger on the pulse and do something soon, or when someone gets hurt...
Let's see how much handwringing you guys bring on when jimmy nails someone on a cross...

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Posted Yesterday, 02:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.

IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 puppet-gadget.jpg
Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?
A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.
 
At this stage they are only practising .. If any team thinks the risk is too great they can fit lifelines during the testing phase .. IM can put it to the teams for a rule change for the event.
Yes, it maybe should be put to the teams.
And any team that votes No needs an ass-reeming, this is a (potentially) life and death decision.

Gentleman start your handwringing....
You wanted extreme F1 style sailing and it looks like you got it....except F1 is safer!
Everyone has known about this since the wsl started with foils so expect IM to have his finger on the pulse and do something soon, or when someone gets hurt...
Let's see how much handwringing you guys bring on when jimmy nails someone on a cross...

 

 

A little bit disingenuous to suggest "we" wanted F1 style sailing, ro. If I'm reading the tide correctly on Russell's flying circus, it's pretty much on the ebb as far as the sailing public are concerned. But then as plenty of SAAC posters point out there are maybe more armchairs than boats involved hereabouts, right?



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Posted Yesterday, 03:24 AM

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^ I care less about ~who~ forces something be done than that it get done. But would suggest that IM is at or near the top of the list for who should be making that argument, it must surely be a responsibility of his.
[/quote]
IM's just waiting for instructions from above:
 puppet-gadget.jpg[/quote]
Fine, let it come from 'above' then. Some group of people must surely have both a higher conscience and a higher power of persuasion than IM, if that's what is required to convince and motivate him. How about the Bermuda version of the local Coast Guard authority?[/quote]
Stop being so melodramatic!! There is risk in every occupation, risk of accidents which can't be mitigated against. In this instancew, the accident occurred because Spithill or whoever was driving fucked up. You can cross the road and get run over by a bus - do you want nanny state to ban all buses??[/quote]
I get that but in this case it was NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. C'mon, don't you agree that's a bit too extreme?
A safety net is a more than reasonable proposition.[/quote]
 
At this stage they are only practising .. If any team thinks the risk is too great they can fit lifelines during the testing phase .. IM can put it to the teams for a rule change for the event.[/quote]
Yes, it maybe should be put to the teams.
And any team that votes No needs an ass-reeming, this is a (potentially) life and death decision.[/quote]

Gentleman start your handwringing....
You wanted extreme F1 style sailing and it looks like you got it....except F1 is safer!
Everyone has known about this since the wsl started with foils so expect IM to have his finger on the pulse and do something soon, or when someone gets hurt...
Let's see how much handwringing you guys bring on when jimmy nails someone on a cross...
[/quote]
 
A little bit disingenuous to suggest "we" wanted F1 style sailing, ro. If I'm reading the tide correctly on Russell's flying circus, it's pretty much on the ebb as far as the sailing public are concerned. But then as plenty of SAAC posters point out there are maybe more armchairs than boats involved hereabouts, right?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure my comments were not directed at you...
Spinbot and his elk lobbied for t rudders that had a footprint outside of the hulls, that's how long this danger buzz has been ok with him....until someone gets hurt....then it's handwringing and danger with a capital D...now it's extreme with a net!
F1 is so safe now because the tv and sponsors couldn't handle drivers dying live on Sunday afternoons and the industry spent billions making cars and circuits safe..
We'll see how long lazzaruss vision can make wsl work, but I guarantee it won't go past the first live tv death..

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Posted Yesterday, 06:44 AM

Speeds exceeding 100kph?? Just a little bit of an exaggeration!

https://www.redbull....a-launches-ac50



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Posted Yesterday, 08:54 AM

I imagine your net all the way to the bow would suck arse if the boat went over and you were trapped under it. Ask the last guy, oh wait.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:02 AM

It is what it is. RC wants the F1 element....probably not the early 90s version ....but hey.... drama sells.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:23 AM

Err when I wrote "bows" I meant "stern".... obviously :P

Video here

Around 58 or 59 seconds you get the footage the stills come from. I finally realize that we're looking at the stay on the right hand side of the photo. Scary stuff.

 

Anyone notice his sunglasses flying past at 0:36, You can just about see them flying off at :30. 



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Posted Yesterday, 12:44 PM

Two crew overboard in a week


Who else?

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Posted Yesterday, 01:08 PM

Two crew overboard in a week

Who else?

I thought Ed Powys fell off LBAR recently. But might have been last year. Not sure when.




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