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#201 WetaDubai

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:29 PM

Totally off topic... but what the hell

I got lapped today ! - head held in shame....

3-6 kts of wind - lots of F16 / F18's Spitfires & Hobies, and other big sail stuff

I need "The complete idiots guide to upwind (and downwind) in light wind in a Weta)" - I was trashed - pulled out of three races on second lap to avoid the embarassment of everyone waiting for me to finish :( ....crap.... :(

10+ forecast for second day though....


Second day worse - got some nice compliments on the looks of the boat (screw that!)

hi mfc,
hard to help without knowing more

but here are a few things to you may not have thought of

light air in pretty much any modern small dinghy, laser/420 etc. you want to get forward enough to lift the cutoff transom out of the water. they are very draggy and getting them just out of the water is essential in light air for most efficient speed

Tried that

lateral positioning also very important on the weta, in light air you should be able to almost sail without either outrigger touching the water. the wide dinghy style planning hull has far more buoyancy than bigger performance tri's with their narrow deep v'ed main hulls. if just sit out on the beam or tramp when the wind isn't there to support you the low volume float will go deep and cause considerably more drag than is needed

Tried that too

for upwind, after positioning you need your sails as flat as possible, ie lots of downhaul and the jib in as hard as you can without stalling it

Should I not have less / no downhaul in very light conditions?

then nicely flowing telltales and smooth rudder work

played the jib to keep them 'flowing' as flat / even as possible

don't get tempted into reaching off for speed as all the books say, feels fast but on a 14' boat the vmg turns to mud

have played with VMG on GPS, and it was a revelation - in <10kts DDW - wing / wing / gennnaker is way better than reaching - even if it feels like stopped!

downwind, get forward again, get the dagger up as far as you can without fouling the sail and sail deep for best vmg, the flat reacher can be let right out and if it's an upwind/downwind race with little reaching you might want to reposition the reacher blocks so they are more forward and outboard than standard to enable the reacher to hold a deeper pocket, it's very easy to change the block position on the weta so experiment

I now loop the sheet onto the forward grab strap for DDW, and the same with the jib sheet to keep them filled. - I then steer gently to keep DDW

time on boat helps a lot

I don't think I ever sailed - let alone raced in such light conditions

but if you want to do well in races against bigger boats you will need to race them more

or fit a 50hp outboard :)



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Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:32 PM

Does it go faster downwind wing n wing?

I got lapped today ! - head held in shame....

3-6 kts of wind - lots of F16 / F18's Spitfires & Hobies, and other big sail stuff


Don't feel bad, man. It's going to take some practice learning the boat. As said in this thread you can't expect the WETA to compete with any of those boats that you mentioned, it's like apples and oranges, the boat wasn't built for that. Racing it against the F18s and F16s is like putting some family sedan like a Honda up against a Formula race car. Get a fleet and race one-design or find some Windriders to beat up on if it's important to you.


I've felt your pain. The Weta is an incredibly fun boat to sail...wait till others buy them in your area and you'll be having some great OD racing in no time...

I miss mine for sure...

C.


I'm working hard to sell more here - part of my evil plan :) - Middle East Domination, three hulls at a time - we don't need BOR / Alinghi !

Oh, and less of the Windrider-bashing - my other boat (and the one that thought me how to sail - however badly) is a Windrider...

MFC

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:43 PM

Wow

Way too fancy. Making me feel 3rd world over here. I just strap mine to the side of my boom with a ceiling fan 90' angle junction box.

Works great there.




Got one of these - works a treat on the beams (outboard or inboard forward or aft) - will try it on the prod next weekend. as soon as I figure out how to edit the crud out of my Canon S10 .mov files, I will upload a few clips to youtube - including underwater clips of the Weta)

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 06:43 PM

I forgot I took this - see the strain on the sheets, and the spray from the prod digging deep into the waves ?

GPS says 1 knot - probably tide and continental drift...

I tried....
:angry:

Nice skyline... nice boat... yawn.................

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:47 PM

Got one of these - works a treat on the beams (outboard or inboard forward or aft) - will try it on the prod next weekend. as soon as I figure out how to edit the crud out of my Canon S10 .mov files, I will upload a few clips to youtube - including underwater clips of the Weta)


editing video with quicktime "pro" is very easy

and so is upgrading the normal/free quicktime to pro

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 03:38 AM

Oh, and less of the Windrider-bashing - my other boat (and the one that thought me how to sail - however badly) is a Windrider...

MFC


I know, you said that before. That's why I said it. It's all fun and games. :D

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 02:50 PM

Oh, and less of the Windrider-bashing - my other boat (and the one that thought me how to sail - however badly) is a Windrider...

MFC


I know, you said that before. That's why I said it. It's all fun and games. :D


I have just lost all (or most of) my WR friends and am now in self-imposed exile from the Windrider forum. (so I am a bit like a Deli Llama). I have been tried and convicted of being a closet Weta dealer with nefarious intentions towards potentially gullible Windrider buyers. As my email address is on the Weta site as a 'contact if you want to try one' in the Middle East - I must be guilty, and should probably be banned from the internet too...

I still think the WR16 is s great little boat, and the WR17 probably a better all round boat than the Weta, but, as yoda would say "a Weta I have"....

And I thought sailing was about having fun, and getting as many people out on the water as possible - whatever the boat, and screw the politics - how naive was I????

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:49 PM

Now that we are comparing the Windrider 17 to the WETA I am going to contribute my $0.2 worth:

I long and seriously considered the W17 but just couldn't quite pull the trigger. On all boats I sail on, regardless of size, I enjoy live ballast trimming immensely. I think it is the surfer mentality in me. So I couldn't quite buy into the restrictive operating requirements of the W17. True, having my hands free for beer, cigarettes and porn was might tempting.....

Then, late winter of 08 I was surfing YouTube and saw the video of WETAs in heavy air. That was all I needed to see and I was on a quest to get one.

So, for me, the lighter WETA with the ability to hike out and move around was the one dimension lacking in the W17 that got me to finally pony up the bucks and pull the trigger to acquire a new toy.....

Does anybody care?

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:04 PM

Does anybody care?

I do, but only because...because I love you man...

On a serious note, I kind of like the W17 concept of sitting in a cockpit and steering with your feet (flew planes for years). Racing would be interesting since crew weight factors could effectively be eliminated by ballasting to a given common displacement. Only wish someone built a carbon/glass model with some real power. Would even be cooler if it had a completely enclosed canopy to keep all that nasty wind and spray out of your face in colder climates.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:33 PM

bhyde's next modification: foot steering and canopy.
Maybe, to reduce weight and horizon us further, forget the foot steering and canopy, add remote control and operate the boat from the StFYC bar. That will protect you from the wind and the spray....
And, we can hope you will get too shit faced to be competitive....

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 09:50 PM

bhyde's next modification: foot steering and canopy.
Maybe, to reduce weight and horizon us further, forget the foot steering and canopy, add remote control and operate the boat from the StFYC bar. That will protect you from the wind and the spray....
And, we can hope you will get too shit faced to be competitive....

If I've learned anything about life, and that's questionable, it's that you can NEVER be too shit faced to be competitive. Burp...

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 01:11 AM

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Let me get you another beer what ya drinkin! Cheers! Michael

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:11 PM

I forgot I took this - see the strain on the sheets, and the spray from the prod digging deep into the waves ?

GPS says 1 knot - probably tide and continental drift...

I tried....
:angry:

Nice skyline... nice boat... yawn.................


Seems to me you need some off-wind advice. I think the Weta should be able to sail better downwind by keeping aparent wind no more than 90 degrees off the nose. This is typical multihull spec. It can be quite a challenge to keep this AWA...esp. as the boat speed changes with waves/puffs, steering input, sail trim etc.

I recommend getting a wind indicator (just a piece of wool off the mast head, sprit or stays can suffice). Once at near 90 deg., set genny, jib & main and the steer to keep the genny telltales flowing (esp. leewards!) at all times. Don't be afraid to head up to gain velocity and feather the helm down as speeds come up. Go too far down and you'll slow way down...and need t ohead back up a long wayto get going again. The trick is to find the narrow band (5-15 degrees of Up/Down sterring) where you can live at best speed.

Mike.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:24 AM

Hi All,
I got my new Weta from Roger a couple of weeks ago, and when for the first sail on the weekend.
And it did everything I wanted to do.

It was easy to rig up with everything colour coded. The mast is light and can be rigged by one person.
The beach trolley worked great and with the help of the kids get everything in the water no problems at all.

The sailing was the best - 3 kids and me and 5 to 8 knots of wind and everything worked as planned.
I got us off the shore and then handed the tiller over to my daughter and I headed off for a quick sleep on the leeward tramp.
The kids happily sailed the Weta across the harbour to an island where we had a quick picnic.
After that we popped the kite for the ride home - one gust caused a little panic among the crew, and a quick roll up of the kite everything was back under control.

The kids loved it and I can see this being a lot of fun for the rest of summer.
I am looking forward to using the Weta for the rum races on Friday.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 11:39 AM

I forgot I took this - see the strain on the sheets, and the spray from the prod digging deep into the waves ?

GPS says 1 knot - probably tide and continental drift...

I tried....
:angry:

Nice skyline... nice boat... yawn.................


Seems to me you need some off-wind advice. I think the Weta should be able to sail better downwind by keeping aparent wind no more than 90 degrees off the nose. This is typical multihull spec. It can be quite a challenge to keep this AWA...esp. as the boat speed changes with waves/puffs, steering input, sail trim etc.

I recommend getting a wind indicator (just a piece of wool off the mast head, sprit or stays can suffice). Once at near 90 deg., set genny, jib & main and the steer to keep the genny telltales flowing (esp. leewards!) at all times. Don't be afraid to head up to gain velocity and feather the helm down as speeds come up. Go too far down and you'll slow way down...and need t ohead back up a long wayto get going again. The trick is to find the narrow band (5-15 degrees of Up/Down sterring) where you can live at best speed.

Mike.


Off wind advice only :rolleyes: !!! - I need ALL the advice I can get !

When I took the photo, I was probably nearly running at windspeed, which was so low the weight of the sheets was stalling out the sails :)

I have a mast top wind indicator, and a few bits of casette tape, and the wind was insufficient to raise the tape.

In low (as opposed to NO) wind, I have done as you suggest, and it works well, and have 'technically evaluated' (GPS with VMG, and a good reference point) the assertion that DDW is best below 6 knots, rather than heading up for speed, and trading off too much VMG.

Seems about right, as in the conditions I tried - in about 6-7 kts steady wind, I could make 4.5kts VMG DDW, wing in wing with all three sails, and maybe 5+ kts boatspeed if I headed up, but VMG went to 2.5 or 3.

What I really need is time in the boat, time in the boat, and time in the boat.

Keep the suggestions coming...

No abuse recently, (at least not here!) I am begining to feel unloved :)


R.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:08 AM

Just for good info ....
the references to the 'W17' on this thread, actually seem to refer to the Windrider 17, which should more correctly be called the WR17.
This would avoid occasional confusion with the W17 that certainly permits body weight to move around for balance and comfort.
Although the W17 is a build-it-yourself design, it has a more versatile configuration for those who want to take friends out or even sleep in the cockpit.
See here for more info if interested: http://www.smalltrid...7-Trimaran.html

Enjoy !

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:09 PM

well, lets see. The topic was whether or not the Weta was any good. My questions are about things made in China, which includes the Weta boat. With me so far? On topic, right?


My Macbook Air.
Iphone
Ipad

About 100 million of those around, and people love 'em......

Heck, I'm sure their ICBMs, spacecraft and nukes work too! But I don't want to test the later........

The J boats they make are pretty slick also.

I'd buy a Weta in a second. Maybe I even will....

The sad part about this is that if you try to make boats here you probably get a bunch of druggies (and or immigrants) signing up to lay the glass. From what I know, most Americans don't crave manual labor.

And don't tell us about "designed in America"....you said they can't make quality. I know they can. In fact, they can make world class quality which is why Europeans, Americans, Japanese and much of the rest of the civilized world buys their stuff. My MacBook did not cost a lot less for being made there. The difference is, as my friends who travel there tell me, that most of them are pleased to work their asses off and walk down the street with a smile on their face and looking up. That differs from some American factory workers I know who get shit-faced daily to forget their troubles...

That said, I'd probably go for the our Stealth Fighter before theirs. But ours takes a lot of upkeep, so you have to be wealthy to keep it running.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:52 PM

Buy an ad.

I'll leave it to someone else to offer the usual welcome.

Just for good info ....
the references to the 'W17' on this thread, actually seem to refer to the Windrider 17, which should more correctly be called the WR17.
This would avoid occasional confusion with the W17 that certainly permits body weight to move around for balance and comfort.
Although the W17 is a build-it-yourself design, it has a more versatile configuration for those who want to take friends out or even sleep in the cockpit.
See here for more info if interested: [snip]

Enjoy !



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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:14 PM

Just for good info ....
the references to the 'W17' on this thread, actually seem to refer to the Windrider 17, which should more correctly be called the WR17.
This would avoid occasional confusion with the W17 that certainly permits body weight to move around for balance and comfort.
Although the W17 is a build-it-yourself design, it has a more versatile configuration for those who want to take friends out or even sleep in the cockpit.
See here for more info if interested: http://www.smalltrid...7-Trimaran.html

Enjoy !


Welcome and FUCK OFF!! sho us yo GF's/wife tits etc etc. Oh, and BUY A FUCKIN AD YO!!

Couple of questions for you- -Anyone built the home made wing mast yet? I'm interested in bulding, but those akas look like a pain. Anyone cuttin kits here in the US??

Perhaps you should start yo own thread on this W17 bro.

KB

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:17 PM


Just for good info ....
the references to the 'W17' on this thread, actually seem to refer to the Windrider 17, which should more correctly be called the WR17.
This would avoid occasional confusion with the W17 that certainly permits body weight to move around for balance and comfort.
Although the W17 is a build-it-yourself design, it has a more versatile configuration for those who want to take friends out or even sleep in the cockpit.
See here for more info if interested: http://www.smalltrid...7-Trimaran.html

Enjoy !


Welcome and FUCK OFF!! sho us yo GF's/wife tits etc etc. Oh, and BUY A FUCKIN AD YO!!

Couple of questions for you- -Anyone built the home made wing mast yet? I'm interested in bulding, but those akas look like a pain. Anyone cuttin kits here in the US??

Perhaps you should start yo own thread on this W17 bro.
KB


Found it

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:55 PM

Hey Gringo,

We don't give a shit about your demand for an answer to a question we don't give a damn about. Go borrow Cheney's gun and shoot somebody in the face and get it over with. Go away, Rush is calling you home. The rest of the sheep are leaving you behind. Don't get lost now, your talking points might miss you.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 04:57 AM

Made in China. You won't be seeing one in my driveway.

Is that because you don't have a driveway? Or do you just like boats built in South Africa?


Nope, have two driveways, one specifically to park boats on. Why are you under the impression that South African boats are made in China?

Just never saw anything yet that was worth a damn that said "Made in China" on it. Not one thing. Ever.

Can you think of one thing made in China that when you think of it, the word "Quality" pops out? Can you think of anything made in China that you would prefer over it's counterpart made in Europe, or Australia? Do you ever stand in the tool department of a store and see people searching out the stuff made in China because it's better value than stuff made in the USA?

Nope.


Lots of quality in China

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:27 PM

Looks like good news for the Great Lakes region Weta wannabes:

From the Weta Yahoo Group:

Hi Weta Group.
I have just become the new Weta dealer for Michigan. Sailsport Marine has been
selling and servicing small sailboats for almost 20 years now. We currently do
Hobie and Laser, but we have also dealt with Windrider and others. We've been
looking at the Weta from the beginning and we just got the chance to be a dealer
and jumped at it. I really look forward to getting our first Wetas and hope we
can grow a great Weta community in Michigan. Any Michigan owners can now get
more local service and refer folks to Sailsport.
Hoping for warm winds!
Scott

Scott Wilson
Sailsport Marine
Traverse City, MI
www.sailsportmarine.com


Cheers!!!

-MH

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:10 AM

I'm (gulp) selling my little keelboat and was consider a WR 17. I really want a farrier F-22 and would probably fork over for it, but they may not be available for years! So I need something for the meantime or longer.

I took a couple test sails and enjoyed the thing.....but I am wondering if it is TOO easy. I am used to a small keelboat and the idea of "better keep things right or something bad might happen"...and wonder if I will get bored if the fear factor goes down some. We do have some decent heavy air in RI where I sail, so I can probably get some excitement going.

The Weta seems too active for me......probably fun for a one hour fast sail, but not an everyday boat.

I don't know. Tough one. The WR is certainly a lot of boat for the $$. A lot goes into that boat - I was quite impressed seeing it "live".

Damn, boat shopping time again! Round and round I go and could end up with anything from a 22 foot keelboat to a 28 foot tri......to a WR17.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:53 AM

I can also think of alot of other products that are made in china that do their job very well. China isn't the home of all things crap anymore, they've worked out that if they don't make quality stuff their neighbour will make the same stuff, better & cheaper...



I dunno. If a country that size that produces that many products for export can only point to one boat as being something of value over the worldwide competition...I think I would call that an anomoly rather than an indication of Chinese quality.

But I am certainly willing to be brought up to the latest state of things. What other Chinese products can you think of that do their job well?


Redneck twat...


In other words, no, you can't think of a chinese made product that is superior in quality to their non-chinese competition.

Or were you starting a discussion of your geneology?



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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:54 AM

Just about every Apple product you can think of is made in China. They seem to be doing OK with Chinese made products.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:50 AM

I'm (gulp) selling my little keelboat and was consider a WR 17. I really want a farrier F-22 and would probably fork over for it, but they may not be available for years! So I need something for the meantime or longer.

I took a couple test sails and enjoyed the thing.....but I am wondering if it is TOO easy. I am used to a small keelboat and the idea of "better keep things right or something bad might happen"...and wonder if I will get bored if the fear factor goes down some. We do have some decent heavy air in RI where I sail, so I can probably get some excitement going.

The Weta seems too active for me......probably fun for a one hour fast sail, but not an everyday boat.

I don't know. Tough one. The WR is certainly a lot of boat for the $$. A lot goes into that boat - I was quite impressed seeing it "live".

Damn, boat shopping time again! Round and round I go and could end up with anything from a 22 foot keelboat to a 28 foot tri......to a WR17.



Get a hold of the Florida Weta dealer (Dick), hes also a Windrider dealer and can give you some insight on the differences. If you plan on racing, go the weta!


KB

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:39 PM

I'm (gulp) selling my little keelboat and was consider a WR 17. I really want a farrier F-22 and would probably fork over for it, but they may not be available for years! So I need something for the meantime or longer.

I took a couple test sails and enjoyed the thing.....but I am wondering if it is TOO easy. I am used to a small keelboat and the idea of "better keep things right or something bad might happen"...and wonder if I will get bored if the fear factor goes down some. We do have some decent heavy air in RI where I sail, so I can probably get some excitement going.

The Weta seems too active for me......probably fun for a one hour fast sail, but not an everyday boat.

I don't know. Tough one. The WR is certainly a lot of boat for the $$. A lot goes into that boat - I was quite impressed seeing it "live".

Damn, boat shopping time again! Round and round I go and could end up with anything from a 22 foot keelboat to a 28 foot tri......to a WR17.


I've got a weta at sail newport. Buy one and we can match race

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:16 PM

I've got a weta at sail newport. Buy one and we can match race


Sounds fun but I am too spoiled - I live in Portsmouth and the boat is on a mooring within walking distance!
Going sailing without stepping in the car is damn nice!

That's driving my decision...don't want to give up my mooring (off Sandy Point)....

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:26 PM


I've got a weta at sail newport. Buy one and we can match race


Sounds fun but I am too spoiled - I live in Portsmouth and the boat is on a mooring within walking distance!
Going sailing without stepping in the car is damn nice!

That's driving my decision...don't want to give up my mooring (off Sandy Point)....



the F22 isn't "years" away, although the backlog may create a waiting list that long

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:41 PM

Sounds fun but I am too spoiled - I live in Portsmouth and the boat is on a mooring within walking distance!
Going sailing without stepping in the car is damn nice!

That's driving my decision...don't want to give up my mooring (off Sandy Point)....


the F22 isn't "years" away, although the backlog may create a waiting list that long


That's years! There are dates on the web site from 2008 to 2011 as when it will be available. Now we are in 2012, and there are no prices, orders or deposits taken....nor any schedule.
Then, after all that is taken care of, there may be a waiting list or various demands.


That's years, IMHO.

I don't fault them for it nor do I want them to hurry....my own problem is my own (getting old fast!)....
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:47 AM

The Weta seems too active for me......probably fun for a one hour fast sail, but not an everyday boat.


No more active than any other dinghy or small keel boat. These are not Formula boats. Normally it's set your course, cleat, cruise and relax until it's time to change course. Okay, so maybe you're cruising effortlessly upwind at six or eight knots instead of three or four and broad reaching at eight or twelve instead of whatever slower boats go. It's a simple, well thought out, well-behaved, easy to sail boat. And it's very comfortable on the nets, rather like a recliner. I'm older, so that's important to my knees.

When the wind starts to crank up into the high teens or more, it takes more attention just like a dinghy, but is incredibly stable. And easy to de-power if you're not comfortable when it goes higher, not that's it an overly powerful rig to begin with.

I don't mean to sound negative, but I can't imagine having to stay in the vaka on the WR17 and not be able to hike out if the wind picked up. It looks like an interesting concept, though.


I've got a weta at sail newport. Buy one and we can match race


Sounds fun but I am too spoiled - I live in Portsmouth and the boat is on a mooring within walking distance!
Going sailing without stepping in the car is damn nice!

That's driving my decision...don't want to give up my mooring (off Sandy Point)....


You should still get a Weta.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:17 AM

I don't mean to sound negative, but I can't imagine having to stay in the vaka on the WR17 and not be able to hike out if the wind picked up. It looks like an interesting concept, though.

You should still get a Weta.


You can actually control the rudders from either side of the tramp on the WR17, so you can sit on the tramps and probably rig up something to even hike out further.....


I will look again at the Weta.....I guess it would hold up on a mooring?? Don't want to sound too lazy, but I am......Posted Image

It looks a bit wet too - which may somewhat shorten my sailing season and change my usual sailing outfits. That would be fun when it's over 75 degrees outside - maybe less so in cool weather.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:53 AM

Nacra all the way!! I sail F18's built by Nacra and an older model of it may fit in with what you are looking for. A little more on the high performance side but still a fun ride and may get them more interested in racing!

Or if you're daring maybe an older Nacra 20?







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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:06 AM

Posted ImageWe should appeal to the maritime safety.



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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:41 PM


You should still get a Weta.



It looks a bit wet too - which may somewhat shorten my sailing season and change my usual sailing outfits. That would be fun when it's over 75 degrees outside - maybe less so in cool weather.



The WETA ain't WET

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:26 AM

No! That is standard dry. Ultra Dry is almost damp. :D

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

Is it any good? A Weta can handle wet water as well as hard water.



I wonder how it would work on dirt?

Sure had fun yesterday playing with the TCCers.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

Are there any WETA's sailing in Atlanta (Lake Lanier)?

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:01 AM

If there's no response here, you might try weta yahoo group or the weta facebook page and ask.

The Weta SE Championship is at Fort Walton Yacht Club in late April if you haven't had the opportunity to touch one yet.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:26 AM

more family fun

not bad for a 14' boatPosted Image

for some reason inserting video as media is not working for me anymore...

but works as link so click below if want to watch


high sierra

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

Great video. Unembeddededed it for you.

Shows what a kid can do. Looks like he's been doing it quite a while.



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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

looks like i got it now, strip the end fluff off the url



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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

Look at that halyard!? Anyone else sail that loose?????

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:46 PM

Look at that halyard!? Anyone else sail that loose?????


I will now!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:12 PM

is it true that local ventukian mr. unshirley went to huntington lake and crushed the fleet?

how can this be?

did he get some type of special dispensation to compensate for his mental "peculiarities"?

i demand an explanation!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

Look at that halyard!? Anyone else sail that loose?????


strong winds and/or known deep downwind sailing angles = loose gennaker halyard

light winds and/or long tight reaches = tight gennaker halyard

if you watch the video again i think you will see a mix of settings, probably meaning the video is a composition of several sailings

i've often thought a hyfield? type leaver on the mast would be good for the genny halyard so you could select between the 2 settings quickly solo sailing

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:45 PM


Look at that halyard!? Anyone else sail that loose?????


strong winds and/or known deep downwind sailing angles = loose gennaker halyard

light winds and/or long tight reaches = tight gennaker halyard

if you watch the video again i think you will see a mix of settings, probably meaning the video is a composition of several sailings

i've often thought a hyfield? type leaver on the mast would be good for the genny halyard so you could select between the 2 settings quickly solo sailing


I wanna go as deep as possible so I kinda disagree with you on the light winds. I've always wanted that halyard looser in that case.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:47 PM

So I guess I'm going to have to buy a clam cleat to replace my horn cleat on my old boat so I can play with extreme halyard tension. If you can call that tension.

How the hell does he get it to furl with ragging it? Does the continuous furler make it possible?

So much for one design. The upgrade wars, begun they have.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

So I guess I'm going to have to buy a clam cleat to replace my horn cleat on my old boat so I can play with extreme halyard tension. If you can call that tension.

How the hell does he get it to furl with ragging it? Does the continuous furler make it possible?

So much for one design. The upgrade wars, begun they have.


I think it's unfurl, loosen halyard, sail, tighten halyard, furl. Doubt the furler has anything to do with it.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:02 AM

Here's a vid I just got done editing. It's mostly Red tuna and I in a 12 mile race on July 4th.

[vimeo][/vimeo]

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:10 AM

Hey, at least you wave.

Funny, funny man...

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:25 AM


Look at that halyard!? Anyone else sail that loose?????


I will now!


Hi Guys, I am the marketing co-ordinator for Weta and I edited the video with footage sent from Chris, great feedback on the vid so I thought I better post Chris' explantion of what happened!

"Capsize was staged in between races at the Europeans as a bit of a demonstration. Was 18-20 knots. Reaching high with the gennaker, I was sitting on the rail fairly far forward. Helmed up and dug the leeward float in and a bit of the bow then helmed down hard to get the boat to stand upright on its nose and held on. No assistance needed to right the boat, used the capsize recovery technique as per manual. Was ready to race again within 5 minutes."

As for the halyard length it is a trick of the wide camera angle, again from Chris "Was just the wide camera angle. Boat was rigged standard and I just slapped the camera around the mast above the block on the 20mm of free mast."

He's in China now overseeing quality control, so can't see his video (no you tube in China...) but any questions let me know!

Cheers,

Miranda

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:37 AM

Here's a vid I just got done editing. It's mostly Red tuna and I in a 12 mile race on July 4th.

[vimeo]https://vimeo.com/45905205[/vimeo]


Love the video!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:59 AM

Here's a vid I just got done editing. It's mostly Red tuna and I in a 12 mile race on July 4th.

[vimeo]https://vimeo.com/45905205[/vimeo]



That is the most "uniquely" painted Mc Gregor I have ever seen Dave. Please tell me you didn't have a hand in that.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:21 AM


Here's a vid I just got done editing. It's mostly Red tuna and I in a 12 mile race on July 4th.

[vimeo]https://vimeo.com/45905205[/vimeo]


Love the video!


Thanks Miranda!!

That is the most "uniquely" painted Mc Gregor I have ever seen Dave. Please tell me you didn't have a hand in that.


I've never seen it actually sail and uh, we can always find it!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:34 PM


Here's a vid I just got done editing. It's mostly Red tuna and I in a 12 mile race on July 4th.



Love the video!


Miranda, you know that SA has a traditional greeting to new SAers and that there will be certain requests/demands made, right?

That said, who is Weta #370 in the Houston area on the Weta map? PM me if you want.

Larry
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:55 PM

Miranda, you know that SA has a traditional greeting to new SAers and that there will be certain requests/demands made, right?

That said, who is Weta #370 in the Houston area on the Weta map? PM me if you want.

Larry
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Hi Larry,

Nope, some kind of SA hazing thing??

I am not sure about the extra people I put on the map, they are from Dave and Jon's customer lists but they didn't give me any background info sorry. I guess you could try and reach them through local yacht clubs or write them off as beach boat owners?

Cheers

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:59 PM

Hi Larry,

Nope, some kind of SA hazing thing??

I am not sure about the extra people I put on the map, they are from Dave and Jon's customer lists but they didn't give me any background info sorry. I guess you could try and reach them through local yacht clubs or write them off as beach boat owners?

Cheers


Yes, hazing is a thing here... :). We'd love a fully clothed pic of your butt!! We like butts!!!! or I like butts, need rule change.

Seriously, we try to keep to track of who's who in Texas and 370 is a mystery boat. Just try to keep as much unity as possible with the weta fleet. We understand most don't race but we, as in me, aren't rockstar racers and try to keep us to semi-relaxed racing fleet.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:18 AM



Hi Larry,

Nope, some kind of SA hazing thing??

I am not sure about the extra people I put on the map, they are from Dave and Jon's customer lists but they didn't give me any background info sorry. I guess you could try and reach them through local yacht clubs or write them off as beach boat owners?

Cheers


Yes, hazing is a thing here... :). We'd love a fully clothed pic of your butt!! We like butts!!!! or I like butts, need rule change.

Seriously, we try to keep to track of who's who in Texas and 370 is a mystery boat. Just try to keep as much unity as possible with the weta fleet. We understand most don't race but we, as in me, aren't rockstar racers and try to keep us to semi-relaxed racing fleet.


Sorry I couldn't be more help, and this is the only behind i'll be showing... :)
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:35 AM

I'm thinking,hope, you and Chris are more than just friends?? Just saying and I'm nosey!!! lol. I met Chris at the Pensacola Regatta. He's a great guy!! I hope you guys get along great!! Now that I've started a rumor on the interweb. Wish we had better bigger regattas like that one on a regular basis here.

Great pic!!

But I can't see any butt!

Ok... I'll show you how it's done! this is my wifes butt....lloz. She'd kill me if she knew I did this.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:49 AM

I'm thinking,hope, you and Chris are more than just friends?? Just saying and I'm nosey!!! lol. I met Chris at the Pensacola Regatta. He's a great guy!! I hope you guys get along great!! Now that I've started a rumor on the interweb. Wish we had better bigger regattas like that one on a regular basis here.

Great pic!!

But I can't see any butt!

Ok... I'll show you how it's done! this is my wifes butt....lloz. She'd kill me if she knew I did this.



Haha no Chris and I are not more than friends. Dick the Florida dealer is trying to get the Buzzelli regatta going for you guys this year, it might be good to touch base with him. http://wetaflorida.com/ would be great to see more Weta get togethers. Maybe even some with a crusing focus, perhaps a family sail to somewhere?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

I know Dick pretty well.... great guy!! He delivered Crumps brother boat from Miami last spring to here. It's just that the Buzezelli is a 2 day drive for us in Texas. I was hoping the Pensacola - Ft. Walton stuff would get bigger. We had a big turn out the first year when Chris showed up. Last year, only 3 boats showed up in Ft. Walton but the Buzzelli was a good turn out with all the east coast guys. I can't find results but I think there was more than 10 boats.

We have 4 local boats who race and no cruisers I can think of except for one up in North Texas. But only 2 of us would really travel and hopefully, I'll get Crump's brother to go this year to Buzzelli this year. We also have one SF bay boat that moved to Houston but hasn't raced with us yet and the mystery boat of #370.

We are still waiting on your pic??? lol :P

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:24 AM

Hey, couple of the guys doing the Double Damned went out for some practice the day before and got to practice righting it in 35 knots. Came back up quickly. I hope I can do it in three minutes when it finally happens to me.




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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:36 AM

Is the Weta any good? I've had mine for over 4 years. It has brought me countless hours of fun. I have been sailing for 48 years, have had many, many great times on all kinds of boats racing, cruising, passage making, daysailing. The Weta West Coast Championships ranks right up there among some of the best times I've had sailing. Check it out:

http://www.wetamarin...hamps-2012.html

That's me with the big hat and the big smile.

Yes, the Weta is that good. And Weta owners are that good too.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:08 PM

looks like you still gots some skills unshirley. way to represent ventucky and the ancient crusty surfers and sailors association.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

Yes, the Weta is that good. And Weta owners are that good too.


UnShirley,
How far you got out in the channel? Anacapa? Imma try to make border run '13 and hang in Ventura for a few sailing days.

KB

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:22 PM


Yes, the Weta is that good. And Weta owners are that good too.


UnShirley,
How far you got out in the channel? Anacapa? Imma try to make border run '13 and hang in Ventura for a few sailing days.

KB


I haven't made it to Anacapa, yet. It is my goal, tho. I have sailed around Grace which is about 8 miles out. I usually go out about 5 - 7 miles before turning around to Gennaker reach back in.

Look me up when you're in Ventura and I'll let you take the Empress for a spin.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:33 PM

i wouldn't let no texans on yer vessel, they bring bananas aboard and trouble ensues...

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:17 PM

i wouldn't let no texans on yer vessel, they bring bananas aboard and trouble ensues...


I'm thinking there's a story that needs tellin' hiding in that statement.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:44 PM

i wouldn't let no texans on yer vessel, they bring bananas aboard and trouble ensues...


I'm gonna bring the weta out there for some fun, as well as a ride on the M23. We dont git no swails to surf round here mane!!

Hey munt, wasn't your 23 from Texas?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:57 AM

Enjoy: http://youtu.be/nA8XZdNEkZw

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

Has the Weta been given a Portsmith rating? I was looking on the US sailing website and could not see it listed.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:58 PM

Last time I checked, it rated 78.5 on the inactive list. That is a very difficult rating to sail to. Lots of discussion on this topic in the Weta Yahoo Group Forum. IMO around 84 or 85 would be a more realistic rating. But it is moot for me. We almost always get an OD fleet on the West Coast.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:38 AM

Awesome video. Lots of MAMIN. And you've got a woman sailor with a Weta out there? Even more awesome. Needs to be a SCOTW.

Congrats to all.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:33 AM

that young lady is total SCOTW material. She's run bow for me on an Express 37, and on my Contour 34. Unfortunately, I've given up campaigning big boats, but she got hooked on sailing and after some sailing on my Weta, decided to get one of her own.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:06 PM

Awesome video. Lots of MAMIN. And you've got a woman sailor with a Weta out there? Even more awesome. Needs to be a SCOTW.

Congrats to all.

that young lady is total SCOTW material.


I agree 100%

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

Looks like the Ithaca Weta mafia made it to the 2012 HDPO and put in a good showing. Congrats to Richard Stephens for taking fourth place in what was surely a very competitive Portsmouth fleet in some big wind.

Some cool photos over on photoboat, too.

http://www.photoboat....net/p153176344

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:11 PM

Thanks! I am sail number 362, the yellow boat.

I did a write-up on the regatta on the Weta web site:
http://www.wetamarin...-hpdo-2012.html

Next year we have to work on a big Weta fleet at HPDO. It is a really great regatta!

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:34 AM

FWIW, lots of my tools are made in China, like my Makita 18v impact drill, a heavily used drill and drive tool, abused on an almost daily basis. Granted, it's a Japanese company, but it is made in China. Been beating the shit outta this thing for 4 years and its still kicking.

Dont get me wrong, I love "Made in the USA" as much as the next dude, but my Subaru ran like a tank for years, my Chevy has me putting the dealers service department on speed dial...



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Posted 22 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

I had a chance to sail a Weta this weekend at the Buzzelli Multihull regatta in Sarasota. All in all it was a very pleasant two days on the water. I found the boat easy to sail with good performance. I expect I'll be buying one somewhere down the road.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:38 PM

I had a chance to sail a Weta this weekend at the Buzzelli Multihull regatta in Sarasota. All in all it was a very pleasant two days on the water. I found the boat easy to sail with good performance. I expect I'll be buying one somewhere down the road.

That's good news, Pete! The Charlotte Harbor regatta in February has had a good Weta turnout the last couple of years. The Ithaca NY fleet will be down south again for that.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:46 PM

I'd probably buy one sooner rather than later if the fleet was a little larger, that and I'm having a lot of problems leaving the F16, kinda like leaving a girl friend.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:35 AM

I came here for something useful, rather that the lame "opinions" on a couple of other forums.

Waste of time, again.

#285 DaveK

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:03 PM

I came here for something useful, rather that the lame "opinions" on a couple of other forums.

Waste of time, again.



wtf..... you registered to post this!? It's the internet.... what else do you expect from it?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

I came here for something useful, rather that the lame "opinions" on a couple of other forums.

Waste of time, again.

What kind of useful information were you looking for? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of post regarding the Weta on this site. Most from actual owners. If you ask a straight up question, more than likely you will get an answer. The other option is to just fuck off newbie.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:49 AM

from weta news


With a sale to a
principle sponsor of Team New Zealand who has been
out the AC72 9 times and now wants to get his sailing
fix on the helm of the Weta!
We’re also leasing a boat
for the summer to one of the crew from Oracle’s AC72

#288 Strategery

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

Strategery has sold, and I'm moving back into a Weta for some OD racing...

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

so you had a weta?

sold it to buy and race a corsair tri

but have now moved back to the weta

for more 1 design racing?

have i got that right?

if so that's an interesting evolution, any other deciders?, cost?, crew? etc

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

The thing that attracts me to the Weta foremost is the small storage foot print.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

The thing that attracts me to the Weta foremost is the small storage foot print.


It is remarkable, isn't it?

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:58 PM

Compared to my 8' 4" wide catamaran, yes it is.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

so you had a weta?

sold it to buy and race a corsair tri

but have now moved back to the weta

for more 1 design racing?

have i got that right?

if so that's an interesting evolution, any other deciders?, cost?, crew? etc


Well, you skipped a couple of boats in there...

Fundamentally, I hate PHRF and Portsmouth. The first Strategery was a Melges 24, then a J105, then a Corsair 28R (and once I went multi there was no going back). The 28R's were great for OD racing when I had one, and we had a great fleet that got together at all the Southern majors. St. Pete NOOD, KWRW, Round the Island, Houston NOODs, etc...

When that slowed down, I bought a Weta and promptly fell in love. I had one of the first hulls in the US. It was a dream boat...simple yet technical. Fast yet safe. Easy to transport/rig (had it on top of my car!) and would carry the kids when they wanted to go. BUT...when I owned it, there were no others around and PHRF/Portsmouth/Cats/Tri's all didn't know what to do with the Weta. Any mixed fleet racing with cats...and I was the last finisher. No fun! But I knew it would be a killer OD platform when it took hold. In the interim I raced a Nacra F17 for the chute (really fun, but tore my ACL/MCL so couldn't do what I needed to be competitive), and then bought the Sprint for more OD racing. Had a blast with that boat racing 2 up. Snuffer was great, and the new fat top mains are true performance enhancing sails. However... Corsair came out with the Dash, and suddenly the fleet became PHRF again.

So...I thought long and hard about it. Looked at the boat on my hoist, not being used. Saw the activity in the growing Weta fleet (with many of my old friends from both the trimaran and catamaran world getting into the boat), see active and growing OD Weta racing. Remembered the pure joy and fun of the boat... and decided to get back in. I looked long and hard at a Viper...but I like the single handed sailing when the mood strikes. I travel alot and when I've got a chance to get on the water, it's very easy in a Weta...more involved with a Corsair.

Until I see a larger trimaran emerging as an OD fleet, this is what I'm going to play in for a while. If my kids want to race with me, great, if not - I'll do it singlehanded.

Bottom line is for OD racers in multihulls (other than A-cats), this is the only truly growing fleet. I think they are over 400 now...right? I like how they are protecting the boat as a one design, although the class needs to get its act more together on this ASAP to manage some of the mods being done to boats...

That answer your question?

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

Bottom line is for OD racers in multihulls (other than A-cats), this is the only truly growing fleet. I think they are over 400 now...right? I like how they are protecting the boat as a one design, although the class needs to get its act more together on this ASAP to manage some of the mods being done to boats...


Actually, a few weeks ago, 2 were delivered to Ventucky and they are hulls number 738 and 739, I think.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:18 AM

Yeah the Weta is a great boat. I sailed on the prototype in 2004 with the designer Tim Clissold of TC Design before the boat went into production and was impressed by its responsiveness and tackling agility. When Roger Kitchen of Weta Marine commissioned the design it was for a small cat as a trainer for kids learning to sail. It was Clissold who convinced him that a trimaran was the way to go for load capacity, three or four kids or and adult and a couple of kids, and handling. Cats are real pigs to go about on in the hands of learners. This is also why the amas don't have 100% + buoyancy the original brief wasn't for a race boat. Once it was built Chris Kitchen saw the performance potential and the sail plan was expanded and a bigger rig added etc. Clissold work with the Kitchens on the project right up until it went into production. It was Clissolds design that won the Annapolis Boat Of The Year award for the builders Weta Marine.

I've attached the first Weta boat review which tells the story pretty accurately, there has been a lot of bullshit that has gone down since then. But if you check out the Weta spec or the acknowledgements on the About tab on the Weta website you will see belatedly the Kitchens have had to acknowledge who the designers really is.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:30 AM

That answer your question?


great answer!

was probably going to keep my weta when i got a bigger multi

now i definately will :)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:53 AM

On the last count I heard world wide there are over 900 Wetas sold and the annual sales are around 200 so it's definitely a grow fleet world wide. So there is obviously a huge fan base interested in sailing fun. This seems to attract the sailing techno freak diving pig fun police but well guys you find an idiot fringe in all walks of life. The fun people get on with having fun sailing their Wetas lol.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:10 AM

Hull number 781 is on its way South next week. We've named it "Hypergetic", a word my daughter coined as a 4 year old to describe being excited...I think it fits.

Looking forward to racing with you all...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

It is a great shame that Weta Marine and TC Design / Tim Clissold the designer of the Weta parted company as one would have expected perhaps a big brother to the Weta to come on the scene at some stage offering more speed and thrills for those looking for a bigger boat from the same designer.
Today I came across that TC Design / Tim Clissold Weta big brother but it’s from another builder, it’s the Siam Cat Trimaran TC 627 (21 feet) by the Andaman Boatyard and it has just gone into production. Have just one picture. Looking forward to the sea trials!

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:47 AM

^
the rudders look like the off-the-shelf dotans that weta used 2007/2008

nice lines for s small tri

very weta-like

doesn't look demountable...

presumably weta continue to look at a slightly bigger version

but keep being put off by the increased weight and cost equations looking like they would kill demand

the main benefits of the 14'weta would appear to be

- small enough to store almost anywhere

- light enough that solo setup and sailing is possible for most people of most ages

- not so expensive it's only a dream for the average sailor

- fast and complicated enough to keep techie sailors involved

- versatile enough to go day cruising with family or 1-design racing

monkey with any of those and half your market seems to disappear




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