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[CrushDigital]

catmanjr, on 10 Apr 2013 - 07:25, said:

MSA, on 10 Apr 2013 - 04:46, said:

catmanjr, on 10 Apr 2013 - 03:19, said:
What jokers you guys are.

The point was, the GPL for a sail where you want life. The 70's run 3di's and they know, once around the world toss them out, big boats with lots of money have the same mentality. However the GPL is if you don't want a new main every season.

Either you jokers know how to cover your self's or my source was unreliable*.
That picture of warro's main means nothing lol.... It could simple be a seam replacement. (you know, head blew off, go down to a lower seam and attach new head, you wouldn't be able to tell you jokers).

& doylies ice was said just as mere point. I don't know which doylies is what in all honesty. I know they're very good for big boats was what I was trying to reiterate.

Plain and Simple, your source is unreliable.... I am sure even Cocko would set you straight if he heard some Seabogan dribbling crap.

As for GPL... No self respecting person would spend that much money and put a GPL Mainsail on the boat. Maybe a G or R sail..
Weight - Maybe 30-45% more. Not sure if you have ever tried to lift a high tech 100 footer Main let along a GPL one??? Let me know how you go with that one and if you blow the Forklift hydraulics. And FYI - GPL in some cases costs MORE than a "String" sail when you get to large, high DPI sails.

Around the world V Hobart.... You could do about 8 Syd - Hobart races and not get near the same amount of Sail hour use, let alone the same % of conditions. Not saying a sail will last 8 Hobart races but, You are comparing Apples and Oranges. I think once around the world for a set of sails would be good... You know they replace sail sections and complete sails right?

Please stop talking before you say anything else stupid, based on zero facts.

Alright Mr hero..
Lets get some things straight.

I don't know if it was the main, I was told 'a' sail which could of been the main was hoisted brand new which followed by the head blowing off, resulting in a large remake of the head.

I feel you're completely and entirely missing the point about GPL. It is an alternative to 3di and L, perhaps it is cheaper than 3di's I can't give you a quote; the GPL was said as its a more heavy duty cloth compared to 3di. The round the world sails were a wreck half way around, and by your logic that should be around 15 or thereabouts Hobart's, which is good for what its done. But the GPL may way more and cost more yes.... But it will last longer paired with a double taffeta or single. But you could then alter the aramid build in the 3di for a longer lasting sail but really, this idea could be played with many cloths.

No disrespect but what do you infer with ' replace sail sections and complete sails right?' What? do you mean cutout and replacing patches and what not?

Anyhow back to the topic of this thread being rambler.

It will be much more than $2 million to get a decent campaign, for a winning campaign much much more.

I dunno Catman, I was at a talk given by Kenny Read last week and he said the sails came out pretty much fine given the amount of miles and abuse they took, not much more than normal maintenance was required at stopovers. What's more, the Volvo guys are putting more miles on their sails in one leg than most folks put on their sails all year.

The only notable sail damage he mentioned on Puma was one of the jibs that rocketed up the stay when the strop on the bow broke.

[catmanjr]

But wouldn't you expect something like that from the president?

 

I would prefer to look at the vendee boats as its more variation rather than everyone rolling norths perhaps? In the last vendee (not the one this year)  Sk78 double taffeta  D4 was the sail to have. But this time round there was a ton of 3di's so perhaps it is the sail to have. You really really to experiment properly.

 

Maybe when and if Sk79 comes it, a proper contender will present itself but until then who knows.

 

*we really have only talked about cloth for mains, so I'll change it up a tad.

 

Really for a boat this size and with all the money everyone is suggesting a full suite of 3di's would be expected. But perhaps a technora/film zero might be brought in. Really however I would like to see something new. A new aramid being tested a new risque cloth or anything just experimenting would be a great thing to see on a boat of this size.

 

Assuming norths get this gig, they'll be making well over a few million for a suite of sails.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Does anyone know where spambler is at the moment?

[moody frog]

But wouldn't you expect something like that from the president?

 

I would prefer to look at the vendee boats as its more variation rather than everyone rolling norths perhaps? In the last vendee (not the one this year)  Sk78 double taffeta  D4 was the sail to have. But this time round there was a ton of 3di's so perhaps it is the sail to have. You really really to experiment properly.

 

Maybe when and if Sk79 comes it, a proper contender will present itself but until then who knows.

 

*we really have only talked about cloth for mains, so I'll change it up a tad.

 

Really for a boat this size and with all the money everyone is suggesting a full suite of 3di's would be expected. But perhaps a technora/film zero might be brought in. Really however I would like to see something new. A new aramid being tested a new risque cloth or anything just experimenting would be a great thing to see on a boat of this size.

 

Assuming norths get this gig, they'll be making well over a few million for a suite of sails.

FWIW here is my take on this one.

 

In the 2008-2009 Vendée D4 was in force because it was what the "sailmakers-to-have" offered: they had the privileged contacts with the best racers and a reputation to build/finish sails stronger.

North (through North-France) have over 3 cycles considerably improved both their commercial relationships and finishing standard (through experience), some staff swap also happened. 

This resulted in North having the largest share at the start and the strongest presence among the favorites, for the first time in Vendee history.

Add-up the only "favorite" with the "other" sailmaker retiring early on a sea-hazard, and you have one big reason for 3DI winning over D4, only insiders will know the actual pluses of 3DI, I think.

The only new thing is that Doyle and Stratis have now made it there.

[umpire]

Does anyone know where spambler is at the moment?

Apparently Yacht Decisions, Auckland.

[catmanjr]

But wouldn't you expect something like that from the president?

 

I would prefer to look at the vendee boats as its more variation rather than everyone rolling norths perhaps? In the last vendee (not the one this year)  Sk78 double taffeta  D4 was the sail to have. But this time round there was a ton of 3di's so perhaps it is the sail to have. You really really to experiment properly.

 

Maybe when and if Sk79 comes it, a proper contender will present itself but until then who knows.

 

*we really have only talked about cloth for mains, so I'll change it up a tad.

 

Really for a boat this size and with all the money everyone is suggesting a full suite of 3di's would be expected. But perhaps a technora/film zero might be brought in. Really however I would like to see something new. A new aramid being tested a new risque cloth or anything just experimenting would be a great thing to see on a boat of this size.

 

Assuming norths get this gig, they'll be making well over a few million for a suite of sails.

FWIW here is my take on this one.

 

In the 2008-2009 Vendée D4 was in force because it was what the "sailmakers-to-have" offered: they had the privileged contacts with the best racers and a reputation to build/finish sails stronger.

North (through North-France) have over 3 cycles considerably improved both their commercial relationships and finishing standard (through experience), some staff swap also happened. 

This resulted in North having the largest share at the start and the strongest presence among the favorites, for the first time in Vendee history.

Add-up the only "favorite" with the "other" sailmaker retiring early on a sea-hazard, and you have one big reason for 3DI winning over D4, only insiders will know the actual pluses of 3DI, I think.

The only new thing is that Doyle and Stratis have now made it there.

 

There is no denying that 3di is incomparable for now. However evolution I can assume that within a few years there will be something better as one can see within cloth design trends. Another thing with D4 its not more so stock standard as with 3di more or less ( I know you do get to alter the aramid variables but for the most part its more or less the same). With D4 you can choose what the yarns build and composite structure contain to an extent. However more often or not, most owners have no fucking clue whats better and don't explore and leave their sailmaker to make a generic choice. Which so far has slowed the D4 evolution as no one really wants the 'new' crazy yarn. As if it turns out to not last well you've just wasted money on a sail, where as if it were 3di it would of lasted or not.

At least doylies is experiment to an extent. But they are still remaining to be more or less conservative. This shown with their technora radial zero. A cool sail no less. Most sailmakers who see it would think it would be the possibly worst sail to make with the curved radials being a pain to sew, not to mention the effort in repairing this sort of sail. However that it performs for what it is, but it remains that boat is full of rockstars no less, who have some idea.

With 3di its more or less stock standard, with much less altering or experimenting with other things than Cuban fibre and various stock standard aramids.

 

But if you think about it. Doylies did ICAP leopard, why would they not be pushing hard for another 100 racer. It would look like to beat oats you need not 3di/l or various north sails but you need Doylies. Which would be the obvious business push.

If you think about it this way which lofts will, it would be foreseeable that there could be a push for a very cheap set of sails from Doylies, and no doubt they will be good.

[CrushDigital]

I guess I'm not seeing the link between Doyle getting the ICAP Leopard contract and having Doyle sails on the boat being the only way to beat Wild Oats.  I think to need Wild Oats you need the fastest sails available right now, and by most standards, those are 3di's.

 

What's more a very cheap set of sails is going to do very little for the owner besides force them to buy more sails.

[Left Hook]

Crush, its going to take more than 3Di to beat wild oats. Sail design, crew work and especially navigation are going to be just as important and those are all things that oats has in spades. The best bet to bridge that gap is probably getting the mar mostro/rambler 100 team under kenny/Addis. That would probably require going with north. While moose had some time on the boat as speedboat I'm surprised that Doyle would rank higher than the alternative.

[MR.CLEAN]

25 minutes with moose and bouzaid about big boat sails should be done tonight.  Good stuff, including about 3di vs. Stratis vs. Quantum vs. etc.

 

Note that Shockwave 80 has been caning everyone for the past 16 months or so...all Doyle stuff.

[Yogurt]

25 minutes with moose and bouzaid about big boat sails should be done tonight.  Good stuff, including about 3di vs. Stratis vs. Quantum vs. etc.

 

Note that Shockwave 80 has been caning everyone for the past 16 months or so...all Doyle stuff.

Shockwave 72

[Rail Meat]

Doyle Stratis is really good stuff.  I have a couple of generations worth for some of my sails, and they were good in gen 1 and even better in gen 2.  They hold their shape, exhibit great longevity, and are light.  I am a very happy customer, for whatever that is worth.

 

Of course if any my competition is reading this, then Stratis sucks balls and they should definitely buy 3di   (heh heh heh).

[CrushDigital]

Crush, its going to take more than 3Di to beat wild oats. Sail design, crew work and especially navigation are going to be just as important and those are all things that oats has in spades. The best bet to bridge that gap is probably getting the mar mostro/rambler 100 team under kenny/Addis. That would probably require going with north. While moose had some time on the boat as speedboat I'm surprised that Doyle would rank higher than the alternative.

 

i agree with you, I was just pointing out that the logic of ICAP Leopard using them so they must be the best leaves something to be desired.

[pulpit]

I guess I'm not seeing the link between Doyle getting the ICAP Leopard contract and having Doyle sails on the boat being the only way to beat Wild Oats.  I think to need Wild Oats you need the fastest sails available right now, and by most standards, those are 3di's.
 
What's more a very cheap set of sails is going to do very little for the owner besides force them to buy more sails.

Crush,

Some thing to think about. Back in the old 1ton days the owner of the "challenge" named boat in oz used to always use the opersite designer and sail maker that most of the other 1 ton owners eg. He would go davidson designs were most of the fleet was Farr and hood sails instead of norths. The reason he found that if he built a Farr 1 toner if would win until the next new one was built and all of the changes and improvements that he made to his boat then the next new Farr boat would have it as standard. The same with the sail from norths. The sail designers would just use the same design for all the other Farr boats and they would be all around the same pace.

The reason that he went to davidson and other designers for the boats was the designers all wanted to beat the Farr boats so they would go the extra mile to design a quicker boat that stayed competitive longer. The same thing with his sails, the loft would work harder on the sail designs so he got a better all round boat and sail package.

So, why not try a different sail loft to oats. After all they may think out side the square give speedboat the edge that they need.

Pulpit

[atefooterz]

Considering that the average US Sailer grows up ignoring things about performance & sail a Laser/ Lightning/ J anything, regardless, due to " great competition in numbers" and hate anything non herd like... then the mind set to follow the most popular sailmaker is a natural fit.

Gotta love these sheep like thought process guys as they will always fill up the fleet, usually from just off the podium and down.

[catmanjr]

Crush, its going to take more than 3Di to beat wild oats. Sail design, crew work and especially navigation are going to be just as important and those are all things that oats has in spades. The best bet to bridge that gap is probably getting the mar mostro/rambler 100 team under kenny/Addis. That would probably require going with north. While moose had some time on the boat as speedboat I'm surprised that Doyle would rank higher than the alternative.

 

i agree with you, I was just pointing out that the logic of ICAP Leopard using them so they must be the best leaves something to be desired.

 

 

 

Sorry the point with using ICAP leopard and Rambler over oats was that its seen as the stock standard sailmaker to use from hence forth if you want a competitive campaign, sort of like when 3di's now sort of,  they are the go to sail ( for the unknowing )

At least that is exactly what doylies want. Its another tale if they get this sort of gig.

[Francis Vaughan]

Personally I would regard this project as a long term one, and would be looking to reduce up front risk and trying to make as much use of the resources I had rather than spending big right away.

 

The history of these boats seems to be one of a constant money pit, with never ending refits and improvments.  But worse, it seems that they are easy to get wrong at the start and require significant effort to get working out of the box.  Speedboat/Rambler has at least had a lot of this done already.  As it was sailing when it fell over it seems that they had got it to a point that everyone was happy with it.  (This is a good case for rebuilding her versus a scratch start boat.  There is a lot of experience with the platform that comes for free.)  On that basis, I would be spending as little as I could on new sails until I had a very good idea as to exactly what I wanted.  It seems the boat probably comes with a good fraction of the sails it had, with only those that were hoisted when the keel fell off lost. So  there is probably a shade under a million to be spent here.  New mast and rigging, something over a million. As to the hull, one odes worry about the structure.  All nomex honeycomb core makes for a fragile boat when it comes to mistreatment.  The video of it being turned upright was not exactly comforting when it comes to damage to the honeycomb.  They are going to have to go over every last bit of the hull with ultrasound looking for problems, and it could be a lot of work fixing it.  After that, all the electrics will be wrecked.  The hydraulics might be salvageable, although the effort to rebuild and refurbish them might exceed the cost of new. One thing its it favour, there was no interior to ruin.  I suspect that the boat might be got back racing for about 3 million, with the proviso that this isn't the end of the project, and that a further million should be budgeted for the inevitable round of sorting out and rework that will follow. Something tha may well involve replacing  some of the old sails. I would worry that a big bang end to end rebuilt and refit would cost 4 million, and there would still be the need to spend big to sort it out once it hit the water again.

 

One thing that I do hope.  That they put a properly engineered (ie milled solid steel) keel fin on it. But I worry that there will be some engineer that will say "I know what they did wrong last time, easy to fix, wont happen again" and they fabricate up another cheapie and the boat ends up upside down halfway across Bass Straight.

[CrushDigital]

Considering that the average US Sailer grows up ignoring things about performance & sail a Laser/ Lightning/ J anything, regardless, due to " great competition in numbers" and hate anything non herd like... then the mind set to follow the most popular sailmaker is a natural fit.
Gotta love these sheep like thought process guys as they will always fill up the fleet, usually from just off the podium and down.

It's pretty brilliant that you were able to make this an issue of nationalist nonsense. I'm sorry if I offended your sense of antipodean exceptionalism by saying that 3di has shown it can hold up to tough ocean miles and that North are capable of building fast sails. The herd you so derisively speak of includes last year's S2H winner, Bermuda winner, 1 and 2 in the VG, and I think the entire fleet in the last few Volvo Ocean Races. If that's the herd that's filling up the ranks of also rans, I'd definitely like to be a part of it.

I know it's trendy to hate on North in Sailing Anarchy world but there must be some sort of reason they are the dominant player in the big boat ocean racing world right now. Sometimes it's simply prudence to go with the guys that have the proven track record; I'm willing to bet they're not going to be putting their b-team on the job.

Of course if Doyle came up with a compelling package, that would be cool too. It benefits all of us for their to be more competiion, it sparks innovation.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Personally I would regard this project as a long term one, and would be looking to reduce up front risk and trying to make as much use of the resources I had rather than spending big right away.

 

The history of these boats seems to be one of a constant money pit, with never ending refits and improvments.  But worse, it seems that they are easy to get wrong at the start and require significant effort to get working out of the box.  Speedboat/Rambler has at least had a lot of this done already.  As it was sailing when it fell over it seems that they had got it to a point that everyone was happy with it.  (This is a good case for rebuilding her versus a scratch start boat.  There is a lot of experience with the platform that comes for free.)  On that basis, I would be spending as little as I could on new sails until I had a very good idea as to exactly what I wanted.  It seems the boat probably comes with a good fraction of the sails it had, with only those that were hoisted when the keel fell off lost. So  there is probably a shade under a million to be spent here.  New mast and rigging, something over a million. As to the hull, one odes worry about the structure.  All nomex honeycomb core makes for a fragile boat when it comes to mistreatment.  The video of it being turned upright was not exactly comforting when it comes to damage to the honeycomb.  They are going to have to go over every last bit of the hull with ultrasound looking for problems, and it could be a lot of work fixing it.  After that, all the electrics will be wrecked.  The hydraulics might be salvageable, although the effort to rebuild and refurbish them might exceed the cost of new. One thing its it favour, there was no interior to ruin.  I suspect that the boat might be got back racing for about 3 million, with the proviso that this isn't the end of the project, and that a further million should be budgeted for the inevitable round of sorting out and rework that will follow. Something tha may well involve replacing  some of the old sails. I would worry that a big bang end to end rebuilt and refit would cost 4 million, and there would still be the need to spend big to sort it out once it hit the water again.

 

One thing that I do hope.  That they put a properly engineered (ie milled solid steel) keel fin on it. But I worry that there will be some engineer that will say "I know what they did wrong last time, easy to fix, wont happen again" and they fabricate up another cheapie and the boat ends up upside down halfway across Bass Straight.

 

 

Personally I would regard this project as a long term one, and would be looking to reduce up front risk and trying to make as much use of the resources I had rather than spending big right away.

 

The history of these boats seems to be one of a constant money pit, with never ending refits and improvments.  But worse, it seems that they are easy to get wrong at the start and require significant effort to get working out of the box.  Speedboat/Rambler has at least had a lot of this done already.  As it was sailing when it fell over it seems that they had got it to a point that everyone was happy with it.  (This is a good case for rebuilding her versus a scratch start boat.  There is a lot of experience with the platform that comes for free.)  On that basis, I would be spending as little as I could on new sails until I had a very good idea as to exactly what I wanted.  It seems the boat probably comes with a good fraction of the sails it had, with only those that were hoisted when the keel fell off lost. So  there is probably a shade under a million to be spent here.  New mast and rigging, something over a million. As to the hull, one odes worry about the structure.  All nomex honeycomb core makes for a fragile boat when it comes to mistreatment.  The video of it being turned upright was not exactly comforting when it comes to damage to the honeycomb.  They are going to have to go over every last bit of the hull with ultrasound looking for problems, and it could be a lot of work fixing it.  After that, all the electrics will be wrecked.  The hydraulics might be salvageable, although the effort to rebuild and refurbish them might exceed the cost of new. One thing its it favour, there was no interior to ruin.  I suspect that the boat might be got back racing for about 3 million, with the proviso that this isn't the end of the project, and that a further million should be budgeted for the inevitable round of sorting out and rework that will follow. Something tha may well involve replacing  some of the old sails. I would worry that a big bang end to end rebuilt and refit would cost 4 million, and there would still be the need to spend big to sort it out once it hit the water again.

 

One thing that I do hope.  That they put a properly engineered (ie milled solid steel) keel fin on it. But I worry that there will be some engineer that will say "I know what they did wrong last time, easy to fix, wont happen again" and they fabricate up another cheapie and the boat ends up upside down halfway across Bass Straight.

Per usual Francis, a well thought out reply, which i agree with.

[catmanjr]

Considering that the average US Sailer grows up ignoring things about performance & sail a Laser/ Lightning/ J anything, regardless, due to " great competition in numbers" and hate anything non herd like... then the mind set to follow the most popular sailmaker is a natural fit.
Gotta love these sheep like thought process guys as they will always fill up the fleet, usually from just off the podium and down.

It's pretty brilliant that you were able to make this an issue of nationalist nonsense. I'm sorry if I offended your sense of antipodean exceptionalism by saying that 3di has shown it can hold up to tough ocean miles and that North are capable of building fast sails. The herd you so derisively speak of includes last year's S2H winner, Bermuda winner, 1 and 2 in the VG, and I think the entire fleet in the last few Volvo Ocean Races. If that's the herd that's filling up the ranks of also rans, I'd definitely like to be a part of it.

I know it's trendy to hate on North in Sailing Anarchy world but there must be some sort of reason they are the dominant player in the big boat ocean racing world right now. Sometimes it's simply prudence to go with the guys that have the proven track record; I'm willing to bet they're not going to be putting their b-team on the job.

Of course if Doyle came up with a compelling package, that would be cool too. It benefits all of us for their to be more competiion, it sparks innovation.

 

 

Sorry but your point on all those podium positions are sort of what throws sail making back. Sure its cool to get first on a boat using your sails. But with the S2H winner, any sail maker could of made the sails for WO given they were decent and the boat still would of won line honors.

VG and VOR and very silly points.

The VG new boats ran norths, with the only new boats going 1, 2 ( correct me if I'm wrong). The VOR there was no comparable front running boats with different brands. Of course Sanya ran doylies but being such an older gen boat it was never really in the running as with the VG with Alex's boat.

[atefooterz]

Considering that the average US Sailer grows up ignoring things about performance & sail a Laser/ Lightning/ J anything, regardless, due to " great competition in numbers" and hate anything non herd like... then the mind set to follow the most popular sailmaker is a natural fit.
Gotta love these sheep like thought process guys as they will always fill up the fleet, usually from just off the podium and down.

It's pretty brilliant that you were able to make this an issue of nationalist nonsense. I'm sorry if I offended your sense of antipodean exceptionalism by saying that 3di has shown it can hold up to tough ocean miles and that North are capable of building fast sails. The herd you so derisively speak of includes last year's S2H winner, Bermuda winner, 1 and 2 in the VG, and I think the entire fleet in the last few Volvo Ocean Races. If that's the herd that's filling up the ranks of also rans, I'd definitely like to be a part of it.

I know it's trendy to hate on North in Sailing Anarchy world but there must be some sort of reason they are the dominant player in the big boat ocean racing world right now. Sometimes it's simply prudence to go with the guys that have the proven track record; I'm willing to bet they're not going to be putting their b-team on the job.

Of course if Doyle came up with a compelling package, that would be cool too. It benefits all of us for their to be more competiion, it sparks innovation.

I would be failing. as an anarchist, while playing the tall poppy syndrome card, not to rope together a leading sailmaker brand, the worlds most numerous hunks of fibreglass used in competition and of course this sites hosts natives vibe, in one post.

 

In these multi national days it is less about "nationalist" and more considered geo-demographical observation, referenced by the thousands of posts here,that back up my statement.

 

In these parts some sailmakers have A priced rags yet B-Team performance on the water, from the same loft. So depending on who the players are and how close relationships may be, many savvy cheque writers have seen Trophies appear from NOT following the whims of one noisy brand and getting 100% devotion from a hungry rival brand, to whom said result is important, not just another gig!

[atefooterz]

Considering that the average US Sailer grows up ignoring things about performance & sail a Laser/ Lightning/ J anything, regardless, due to " great competition in numbers" and hate anything non herd like... then the mind set to follow the most popular sailmaker is a natural fit.
Gotta love these sheep like thought process guys as they will always fill up the fleet, usually from just off the podium and down.

It's pretty brilliant that you were able to make this an issue of nationalist nonsense. I'm sorry if I offended your sense of antipodean exceptionalism by saying that 3di has shown it can hold up to tough ocean miles and that North are capable of building fast sails. The herd you so derisively speak of includes last year's S2H winner, Bermuda winner, 1 and 2 in the VG, and I think the entire fleet in the last few Volvo Ocean Races. If that's the herd that's filling up the ranks of also rans, I'd definitely like to be a part of it.

I know it's trendy to hate on North in Sailing Anarchy world but there must be some sort of reason they are the dominant player in the big boat ocean racing world right now. Sometimes it's simply prudence to go with the guys that have the proven track record; I'm willing to bet they're not going to be putting their b-team on the job.

Of course if Doyle came up with a compelling package, that would be cool too. It benefits all of us for their to be more competiion, it sparks innovation.

I would be failing. as an anarchist, while playing the tall poppy syndrome card, not to rope together a leading sailmaker brand, the worlds most numerous hunks of fibreglass used in competition and of course this sites hosts natives vibe, in one post.

 

In these multi national days it is less about "nationalist" and more considered geo-demographical observation, referenced by the thousands of posts here,that back up my statement.

 

In these parts some sailmakers have A priced rags yet B-Team performance on the water, from the same loft. So depending on who the players are and how close relationships may be, many savvy cheque writers have seen Trophies appear from NOT following the whims of one noisy brand and getting 100% devotion from a hungry rival brand, to whom said result is important, not just another gig!

[CrushDigital]

Atefooterz, I can't argue with that logic. If you know guys are gonna throw all of their resources behind you, it makes for a pretty compelling argument.

[umpire]

Has anyone come up with the definitive answer as to who is behind this campaign yet?

[Mojounwin]

It's a shame the owners, whoever they may be, don't want to share the rebuild with SA. Would be great viewing seeing progress of the rebuild.

 

Cheers

Mojo

[atefooterz]

It's a shame the owners, whoever they may be, don't want to share the rebuild with SA. Would be great viewing seeing progress of the rebuild.

 

Cheers

Mojo

The new owners are really pissed that this thread is not located in "sportsboat anarchy" & therefore have an "SA interwebs" ban! haha

[GybeSet®]

a little less cryptic ate,

ban ?

[umpire]

a little less cryptic ate,

ban ?

 

+1

[honestjohn]

It's a shame the owners, whoever they may be, don't want to share the rebuild with SA. Would be great viewing seeing progress of the rebuild.

 

Cheers

Mojo

 

oh for the old Anarchy days, when KIWISPY would have been lurking and uploading hi res images from AKL building sheds

[atefooterz]

B wahahaha

A d

N auseum

[GybeSet®]

useless

[Flatbag]

useless

Unusually self deprecating of you, Gybey.

[Perception]

Someone here must have updates?? 7 months to hobart

[Life Buoy 15]

2 months to Keppel......

[Flippin Out]

The ownership question may have just been answered, 3rd last paragraph.......... (credit to Sandgroper Yachting in the 2013 Syd-Hob thread for the find, nice work)

 

http://www.southerns...px?news_id=4248

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Yep, nice find!

“We are also pleased to announce that we have recently received orders from three of the world’s most high profile racing teams: Ichiban (newly-designed Carkeek 65’), Wild Oats XI and Loyal (ex-Speedboat).

[MR.CLEAN]

well done.  i don't even remember what we reported when we put it on the front page leaving Endeavour Quay.   Anyone?

[facthunt]

2 months to Keppel......

Is it entered in this race ?

[Scarecrow]

well done.  i don't even remember what we reported when we put it on the front page leaving Endeavour Quay.   Anyone?

It was something about the video being out in three days, once you had more band width.

[DickDastardly]

Yep, nice find!

“We are also pleased to announce that we have recently received orders from three of the world’s most high profile racing teams: Ichiban (newly-designed Carkeek 65’), Wild Oats XI and Loyal (ex-Speedboat).

Yeah don't know I'd be calling that news...

[umpire]

well done.  i don't even remember what we reported when we put it on the front page leaving Endeavour Quay.   Anyone?

Just that she was on her way to Australia.

[Mexican]

well done.  i don't even remember what we reported when we put it on the front page leaving Endeavour Quay.   Anyone?

It was something about the video being out in three days, once you had more band width.

Boom tish!

[DtM]

+1

 

Not much from the Clean sources.

[umpire]

so we have found that S Spars are making the new rig, which is no suprise! So who is doing the sails, can't be that easy to hide an order that big?

[Icedtea]

I'd say whoever made the orignals (North?), would be inclined to stick with whatever worked before with an order that big

[catmanjr]

I'd say whoever made the orignals (North?), would be inclined to stick with whatever worked before with an order that big

It would be norths. And only them can really keep a big order quiet enough. Who knows really though, people would be able to keep it quiet until the boat actually goes sailing. Plus it would probably just be running trial sails when going to train so again. No idea.

[Life Buoy 15]

2 months to Keppel......

Is it entered in this race ?

Not yet, but WOXI and Warro are and Pecker is thinking about it. Given that, the Keppel race should be the place to be if you had a 100!

[Left Hook]

I'd say whoever made the orignals (North?), would be inclined to stick with whatever worked before with an order that big

It would be norths. And only them can really keep a big order quiet enough. Who knows really though, people would be able to keep it quiet until the boat actually goes sailing. Plus it would probably just be running trial sails when going to train so again. No idea.

Indeed. I imagine that there were a bunch of sails sitting in a container somewhere in the US or UK that are now down under. 

[umpire]

Just thought that given the programme that was planned after the Fastnet, which included the S2H. There surely would have been extra sails in the containers that were in the UK. Or maybe some new ones had already been ordered!

Just thought that given the programme that was planned after the Fastnet, which included the S2H. There surely would have been extra sails in the containers that were in the UK. Or maybe some new ones had already been ordered!

[DtM]

I guess it might depend whether the new mast is the same (in a general sense) as the old one which sails are any use.

[catmanjr]

If the old program is anything to go by. There will be a full suite of unused sails which will be fine to use. Assuming the rig is same more or less it should be all fine as training sails with new sails on the way near hobart.