[Melgesmania]

Discounted Registration till the 15 th of Febuary.
Just thought we should start a new topic up on this.
Below are some links to video's of the venue:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=IZtuVXnuoR8
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mwIl19Ptp7s
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=FrDJGK3pAUE
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vY7lyQ_9i_I
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=q_AdDUtofOY
http://www.youtube.c...feature=channel
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=fAa5Vvjback

Wind will be light to medium (6-15 knots) maybe 18-20 if a Shamal (Low pressure system) comes through.
Any tips on getting up quickly onto the foils?

[teknologika]

Melgesmania, on Feb 1 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

Any tips on getting up quickly onto the foils?

Get towed to the line by a jet ski and then don't miss one foiling tack or gybe ... done. :D

[Pete M]

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Any tips

don't let the harbor water get into your mouth, nose, ears, eyes, or any open wounds

wash your hands after getting out of the water

offshore is better - but you gotta come back to the harbor to get out

[FIGJAM]

Pete M, on Jan 31 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

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Any tips

don't let the harbor water get into your mouth, nose, ears, eyes, or any open wounds

wash your hands after getting out of the water

offshore is better - but you gotta come back to the harbor to get out

We are sailing off the beach. Grass area is complete now so rigging there and carrying direct into the water. I started a thread on this a while ago. All looking sweet as a nut, annoucnment on PUMA party will be coming soon.

Will have a mixed bag of conditions.

You can pump a heap to get up on the foils but we have a full jury so depending on if u want to get flagged i guess two pumps per wave or gust of wind.

[MR.CLEAN]

And it'll all be streamed live. Every minute.

[punter]

FIGJAM, on Jan 31 2010, 11:14 PM, said:

Pete M, on Jan 31 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

Quote

Any tips

don't let the harbor water get into your mouth, nose, ears, eyes, or any open wounds

wash your hands after getting out of the water

offshore is better - but you gotta come back to the harbor to get out

We are sailing off the beach. Grass area is complete now so rigging there and carrying direct into the water. I started a thread on this a while ago. All looking sweet as a nut, annoucnment on PUMA party will be coming soon.

Will have a mixed bag of conditions.

You can pump a heap to get up on the foils but we have a full jury so depending on if u want to get flagged i guess two pumps per wave or gust of wind.

Couple of quick questions.

Tides, big or small? Hopefully not as bad as the 3.2m hi-lo tide over 6hrs I had on the weekend with 15 knot wind against. Made for some "interesting" downwinds.

And water temp? Guessing shirt and shorts weather for sailing which will be quite nice.

[FIGJAM]

punter, on Jan 31 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

FIGJAM, on Jan 31 2010, 11:14 PM, said:

Pete M, on Jan 31 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

Quote

Any tips

don't let the harbor water get into your mouth, nose, ears, eyes, or any open wounds

wash your hands after getting out of the water

offshore is better - but you gotta come back to the harbor to get out

We are sailing off the beach. Grass area is complete now so rigging there and carrying direct into the water. I started a thread on this a while ago. All looking sweet as a nut, annoucnment on PUMA party will be coming soon.

Will have a mixed bag of conditions.

You can pump a heap to get up on the foils but we have a full jury so depending on if u want to get flagged i guess two pumps per wave or gust of wind.

Couple of quick questions.

Tides, big or small? Hopefully not as bad as the 3.2m hi-lo tide over 6hrs I had on the weekend with 15 knot wind against. Made for some "interesting" downwinds.

And water temp? Guessing shirt and shorts weather for sailing which will be quite nice.

Tide always goes in the same direction due to the man made islands. Goes from right to left as you look at the sea. But minimal 0.5 knots at the most.

Yep ill be wearing shorty wet suit bottoms and rashies, but not for warmth. If its windy you will wanna have a thin wetty just in case you are a fair weather sailor like me.

[punter]

FIGJAM, on Feb 1 2010, 12:55 AM, said:

punter, on Jan 31 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

FIGJAM, on Jan 31 2010, 11:14 PM, said:

Pete M, on Jan 31 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

Quote

Any tips

don't let the harbor water get into your mouth, nose, ears, eyes, or any open wounds

wash your hands after getting out of the water

offshore is better - but you gotta come back to the harbor to get out

We are sailing off the beach. Grass area is complete now so rigging there and carrying direct into the water. I started a thread on this a while ago. All looking sweet as a nut, annoucnment on PUMA party will be coming soon.

Will have a mixed bag of conditions.

You can pump a heap to get up on the foils but we have a full jury so depending on if u want to get flagged i guess two pumps per wave or gust of wind.

Couple of quick questions.

Tides, big or small? Hopefully not as bad as the 3.2m hi-lo tide over 6hrs I had on the weekend with 15 knot wind against. Made for some "interesting" downwinds.

And water temp? Guessing shirt and shorts weather for sailing which will be quite nice.

Tide always goes in the same direction due to the man made islands. Goes from right to left as you look at the sea. But minimal 0.5 knots at the most.

Yep ill be wearing shorty wet suit bottoms and rashies, but not for warmth. If its windy you will wanna have a thin wetty just in case you are a fair weather sailor like me.

Thanks, might get myself a spring suit as used to 30 degrees all year round.

[bgulari]

What's up? You seem to be pushing the no pumping. I am not sure about if we have the rules correct. We have just had marginal foiling regatta and came to
some good conclusions. If you are touting a non foiling regatta perhaps a world championship of a foiling boat should be in foiling conditions and the rules should be there to help promote foiling versus hindering it.
My .02.

Who is your international jury? Every isaf world
championship has to have an international jury...

[Pete M]

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Who is your international jury? Every isaf world
championship has to have an international jury...

they prob have no experence with moths, and just saw the isaf rule 42 video

beware

[Phil S]

bgulari, on Feb 3 2010, 10:45 AM, said:

What's up? You seem to be pushing the no pumping. I am not sure about if we have the rules correct. We have just had marginal foiling regatta and came to
some good conclusions. If you are touting a non foiling regatta perhaps a world championship of a foiling boat should be in foiling conditions and the rules should be there to help promote foiling versus hindering it.
My .02.

Who is your international jury? Every isaf world
championship has to have an international jury...

Bora,
The class has amended rule 42 to allow the same 2 pumps for foiling, the same as everyone gets for planing and surfing.

Moth races have been, and will continue to be sailed in sub foiling conditions like everyone else sometimes gets to race in sub planing conditions. Its the moth class not the foiling class after all. Because the last 5 years have been about developing better foiling boats some of sub foiling performance of older moths has been lost.
There will one day be a sub foiling regatta where an unexpected winner will pop up and we will learn that some old ideas were in fact better sometimes. So be it.

I think it will be a sad thing if the oldest modern dinghy class decides to only sail in winds over foiling strength when a huge part of the world's sailing population sail in places withouth such wind. We will be restricting the class to a limited number of venues and will end up spending most of our regatta time sitting waiting for wind just like the sailboard people do.

All that being sail we are about to start the process of selecting the Jury for the 2011 Belmont WC and will be steering away from known rule 42 zealots.

Have a great time in Dubai.
Phil S

[bgulari]

So you patronize me then agree!! Haha, it was our judges that came to us and said the class has a major issue with rule 42 and that they did not want to make any calls on it.

Twice per wave when going upwind is a hell of a lot of pumping. Plus I think the rule only has something mentioned after atack or gybe.

[bgulari]

Phil I forgot to mention I agree there will be a sub foiling race and that is why I practice in sub foiling a lot!

[ortegakid]

You go Bora!, we'll be with you in spirit and on live feed, thx Clean!

[Dave Lister]

LETS FACE IT WE ALL HATE LOWRIDING

[punter]

http://www.moth-sail...9_CR_050609.pdf

Page 4 has the stuff you are talking about.

And for those who can't be bothered reading the link:

"When surfing (rapidly accelerating down a wave) or foiling (sailing with the hull clear of the water due to the effect of hydrofoils) or planing is possible, the boat's crew may pull the sheet controlling the sail in order to initiate surfing, foiling or planing, but only twice for each wave or gust or just after having completed a tack or gybe."

The IJ zealots could DSQ the whole fleet if they really pushed this rule.

[FIGJAM]

Nah man, im keen on full pumping to get up. I just remember a lot of people making a big fuss about it before and killing the class for older people. Im not going to bag anyone or give anyone a hard time. I'm keen for postponing it onshore if the sea breeze is late.

I didnt mean i want people to be flagged, i just think its more likely in a lighter air regatta. chill.

There was exemption in the USA btw not to have a full IJ. We dont have that this time.

[MR.CLEAN]

bgulari, on Feb 2 2010, 09:52 PM, said:

Phil I forgot to mention I agree there will be a sub foiling race and that is why I practice in sub foiling a lot!

Drama in the Moth Class - Finally! Tell you what - we'll make sure we follow the judges around really closely...

[teknologika]

Proposed Rule 42 amendment.

"If the body weight of the skipper buttus nakedus is less than 85 kilos then pumping is not permitted. if the skipper weighs more than 85 kilos in birthday sutus then they can pump as many times as they like, so as to promote calorie burning to reduce weight so pumping is not required. And because they just need all the help they can get."

[Al.]

bgulari, on Feb 3 2010, 12:45 AM, said:

Who is your international jury? Every isaf world
championship has to have an international jury...

Unless ISAF give you permission to run without one. Smaller classes can get dispensation.

[rtrs]

Top level laser events don't run races in less than 6-7 knots, sometimes more. Why should moth events?

[Pete M]

and to get away from the rule 42 shitfight

how many boats expected?

oops found it myself - so far 37 entered

http://www.dosc.ae/m...entry-list.html

only three from the US

[rtrs]

here's the problem:

"but only twice for each wave or gust or just after having completed a tack or gybe"

does that mean:

but...
-only twice for each wave or gust or,
-just after having completed a tack or gybe.

or

but only twice...
-for each wave or gust or
-just after having completed a tack or gybe.

in other words, one reading says unlimited pumping after just having completed a tack or gybe.

[bgulari]

Dave Lister, on Feb 2 2010, 09:17 PM, said:

LETS FACE IT WE ALL HATE LOWRIDING

+2
+ US moth class

[rtrs]

everyone hates lowriding. so let's just not race until it is foiling conditions.