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Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:24 PM

UPDATED - February 07, 2010

For adds either post below or PM Peelman


Note -
Test your links as I don't have time too, thanks
I'm updating on the fly as it's hard to keep up with all the PM's coming in so your info will appear


Offical SA AC OTW Forum with Clean, Show/Interviews with Clean and AC Live Stream

AC OTW Forum with the Clean Crew
http://forums.sailin...hp?showforum=61

AC OTW Show/Interviews with Clean
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/otwa/

AC OTW Show/Interviews with Clean Archives
http://www.sailingan...tw_archives.php

AC Live Stream
http://www.sailingan..._ac_raceday.php


AC Official Internet Streaming Program - note must install RayV player

http://www.americasc...course/show.php

OR

http://www.youtube.c...815CE1AC7F4FCC9

- Saturday 6 February 2010: from 4 pm (CET): Owners Press Conference
- Sunday 7 February 2010: Opening Event
- Monday 8 February 2010 from 10 am (CET): First Race
- Wednesday 10 February 2010 from 10 am (CET): Second Race
- Friday 12 February 2010 from 10 am (CET): Third Race (if required)
- 14 - 25 February 2010: Reserve day


Live Internet Streaming

Internet Streaming Backup
I've had tons of questions on this as it seems there is concern that the AC site is going to meltdown. Best thing to do as a back up is to go to a place like www.justin.tv for a tv stream of the AC. Be mindful of the copyright laws in your country.


BOR Web Streaming - thank you BOR. With additional programing not on AC site

BOR Live Stream Program - they have vids when not live too.

- "Race Day" consists of several blocks of live programming, bringing an unprecedented, live, behind-the-scenes look at the team to sailing fans worldwide:
- The Dock-Out Show – watch the team prepare for battle as they leave for the race course.
- The Morning Show – an insider’s look at the history of the America’s Cup, the 33rd edition of the oldest trophy in sports, and BMW ORACLE Racing, live from the Oracle Cinema at the Team Base.
- The Pre-Race Show – news and analysis ahead of the racing.
- The 33rd America’s Cup Match – we will then carry the official live feed from the Host Broadcaster, bringing you all of the action from the race course. Racing is scheduled to start with a 10:00 warning signal ahead of the 10:06 start gun.
- The Post-Race Show – analysis of what happened on the race course, featuring expert commentary.
- The Dock-In Show – cheer on the American challenger as the team returns to shore following the race.

Click here for the BMW ORACLE Racing channel or on www.livestream.com to see the complete archive.
http://bmworacleraci...track.type=home

BOR Web Stream at Livestream with social net apps chat
http://www.livestrea...bmworacleracing

Note some great vids from the helio's the other day when GMR was in the air


Valencia Sailing - thank you Pierre
http://valenciasailing.blogspot.com/


Zerogradinord - thank you Mauro
http://www.zerogradinord.net


Alinghi Web Streaming - they point to the 33 Web feed at You Tube. Nice archive of AC Valencia vids.
http://www.youtube.c...815CE1AC7F4FCC9



TV Programs


Australia - thanks A mear Paps & team_Sophie

From the Foxtel online guide this is what is "planned" to air is Aus - all times are local AEDT:

Live: Sailing: America's Cup
503 FOX SPORTS 3
Starts: Mon 8 Feb, 7:45 pm. Duration 255 mins.

Race 1: The 33rd America's Cup comes to you from Valencia, Spain, where team Alinghi will be looking to defend their title against the Golden Gate Yacht Club's BMW Oracle Racing team.

Starts: Wed 10 Feb, 10:00 pm. Duration 240 mins.

Race 2: The 33rd America's Cup comes to you from Valencia, Spain, where team Alinghi will be looking to defend their title against the Golden Gate Yacht Club's BMW Oracle Racing team.

Starts: Fri 12 Feb, 11:00 pm. Duration 60 mins.

Race 3.


America's Cup
511 Eurosport
Starts: Mon 8 Feb, 7:30 pm. Duration 180 mins.
Starts: Wed 10 Feb, 7:30 pm. Duration 180 mins.
Starts: Fri 12 Feb, 7:30 pm. Duration 150 mins.

Eurosport is also showing daily highlight shows of 1 hr and Inside Valencia specials at various times throughout the week.


Brazil - thanks to KiwiJoker
BandSports (cable)
Live, 7-11 AM every race day.


Canada
no info as yet best to use the Net


Europe - Eurosport - thanks to schakel

Eurosport
http://www.eurosport.com/
Countries - UK & Ireland, France, Italian, Russia, Sweden, Poland, Deutschland, Espana, China, Arabia

Provisional schedule
Mon 8 februari 9:30 180 minutes sheduled show with Sailing Valencia
Same on Wednesday 10 and the same for Friday 12 february each 180 minutes scheduled.


France - - sorry forgot who posted this
Eurosport
Inside America's Cup with Paul Cayard 21:45 - 21:55
http://video.eurospo...ng-player.shtml - (if you have the paid subscription)
http://www.onlinetv-.../eurosport.html - (try here for free coverage)


Hong Kong – thanks to mabian
Channel 671 – STAR Sports
Channel 676 – Eurosport


Italy - thanks to 17mika
Free to air on both "la7" and "sportitalia", with commentary in Italian.
Also Eurosport HD (For SKY Italia subscribers).
(From: 17mika, Member No: 20241)


New Zealand - thanks to 429boy
SkySport
Monday, from 10:00 pm, SkySport 2
Wednesday, from 10:00 pm, SkySport 1


Norway - thanks to harzak
Eurosport subscription works for as well. I just bought 1 month for NOK 45 (approx $7.5) and I'm watching the live feed right now.


Switzerland - thanks to Cheeseburger
French: TSR 2, Mon 8 Feb , 9:50, Wed 9 Feb, 9:50,
Italian/German: Mon 8 Feb, TSI 2, 9:50, Wed 9 Feb, 9:55


United Kingdom – thanks to Magic Number
Eurosport – live and recorded
Race 1, British Eurosport, 0830 hours, 180 mins live
Race 2, British Eurosport, 0830 hours, 90 mins live
Race 3, British Eurosport, 0830 hours, 150 mins live


Uruguay and Argentina
thanks to McGyver
ESPI is broadcasting live the first race. (DirecTV) Or rather, they will be broadcasting for 2 1/2 hours, whether the race starts and finishes or not


UAE - thanks to desertdingo
Show Sports 3 12:45


USA - thanks to many & SButt
ESPN360.com
Will carry the live coverage from the Host Broadcaster with Gary Jobson and Randy Smyth commentating. All races will also be available for replay. - http://www.ESPN360.com



AC site media/news feeds

Official AC Site -
http://33rd.americascup.com

AC Follow the Racing page for all media connections -
http://www.americasc...a-course-49-936

AC Web Cams -
http://www.americasc...m/webcam-50-846

Official AC Documents (Race, Jury & Deed) -
http://33rd.americas...e-course-36-912

Newsletter -
http://33rd.americas...etter/index.php

News RSS -
http://33rd.americas.../news/index.xml

Gallery RSS -
http://33rd.americas...llery/index.xml

Video RSS -
http://33rd.americas...video/index.xml

Twitter -
http://twitter.com/33acup

Facebook -
http://www.facebook....up/262067637687



SAAC Media Friends & Resources

Adonnante TV - news - French, English & Spanish
http://www.adonnante.com/en

Adonnante TV Channel
http://www.youtube.c...ser/AdonnanteTv

America's Cup View - commentary
http://americascupview.blogspot.com/

Cory E. Friedman/Scuttlebutt - must read on legal issues
http://www.sailingsc...com/news/07/cf/

Cup in Europe - French & English
http://www.cupineurope.com/indexEN.htm

Kimball Livingston - commentary
http://www.kimballlivingston.com

Mark Chisnell - commentary
http://markchisnell.blogspot.com/

NZ Herlad - news
http://www.nzherald....es.cfm?c_id=106

Sail-world & Gladwells Line - news & commentary
http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/

Sailkarma - news
http://www.sailkarma.com/

Scuttlebutt - news & commentary
http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com

Scuttlebutt Europe - news & commentary
http://www.scuttlebutteurope.com/

Tribormat - French - news & commentary
http://www.tribormat.fr/

Valencia Sailing - English - news
http://valenciasailing.blogspot.com/

Zerogradinord - Italian & English - news
http://www.zerogradinord.net/?w=a


Foriegn Language Forums

Cup in Europe - French
http://forum.cupineurope.com/

Tribormat - French
http://www.tribormat.fr/



Provisional Public Program

Many thanks to Pierre at VS for posting the below. Please keep visiting his site http://valenciasailing.blogspot.com

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33rd America's Cup Provisional Public Program

Greetings from sunny Valencia. With only two teams participating in this edition, organizers have chosen the "Veles e Vents" building as the reference point of all activities geared towards the general public, with the "America's Cup Park" situated right behind it.

Here's part of the provisional public program of the 33rd America's Cup. It can be subject to eventual changes and I suppose that the final one will be posted on the official website.

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 6
10am to 6pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen with footage from the 32nd America's Cup

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SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 7
10am to 6pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen with footage from the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

1pm: Opening Ceremony of the 33rd America's Cup

* Including a spectacular Mascletá

2pm: "1 grain for Haiti"

* Sale of Valencian paella, Swiss raclette and American hamburgers for the earthquake victims in Haiti

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MONDAY, FEBRUARY 8
9am to 8pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen with footage from the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

9:45am onwards: Live race broadcast on giant screen

10am: Warning signal for Race 1

7pm: Free concert

* Sedajazz Soul & Jazz

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TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 9 (DAY OFF)
10am to 6pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen projections of the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

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WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 10
9am to 8pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen projections of the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

9:45am onwards: Live race broadcast on giant screen

10am: Warning signal for Race 2

7pm: Free concert
* Pop Zenntric Spanish / Valencian

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THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11 (DAY OFF)
10am to 6pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen projections of the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

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FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12
9am to 8pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen projections of the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

9:45am onwards: Live race broadcast on giant screen

10am: Warning signal for Race 3

7pm: Free concert

* Polock Spanish & Valencian Pop & Rock

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SATURDAY & SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 13 & 14 (DAYS OFF)
10am to 6pm: AC Park open (Behind the Veles e Vents building)

* Stalls with Swiss, American and Valencian food and drink
* Official merchandising stores
* Information Points
* Giant screen projections of the 32nd America's Cup
* Activities for children in the children's area
* Activities for all ages

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 03:38 PM

TV in Switzerland:

French: TSR 2, Mon 8 Feb , 9:50, Wed 9 Feb, 9:50, AC Webpage
Italian/German: Mon 8 Feb, TSI 2, 9:50, Wed 9 Feb, 9:55

Both available in free streaming on Zatoo

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 03:51 PM

show sports 3 for the UAE 12.45

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 03:55 PM

View PostCheeseBurger, on Feb 7 2010, 09:38 AM, said:

TV in Switzerland:


Both available in free streaming on Zatoo



Looks like it is not open to North America, site indicates that NA is not yet serviced

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:51 PM

Is Peter Mongomery the broadcaster for the stream that the 33rd AC website will be carrying???

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 12:19 AM

Hi guys does anyone know of a way to record any of these streams?

I have tried a couple of things but cant find a way

Thanks guys

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 12:57 AM

View PostNZL51, on Feb 7 2010, 04:19 PM, said:

Hi guys does anyone know of a way to record any of these streams?

I have tried a couple of things but cant find a way

Thanks guys


If the stream doesn't have security the Real Player should be able to
http://www.real.com/realplayer

Internet sources

http://download.cnet...pture-software/

http://all-streaming...e.htm#recwinrec

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:39 AM

So no America's Cup on TV in the US? Bad irony here.

If anyone has info, pls post.....especially for us San Diego, CA, west coast types.

Thanks!

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:11 AM

View PostPeelman, on Feb 7 2010, 07:57 PM, said:

View PostNZL51, on Feb 7 2010, 04:19 PM, said:

Hi guys does anyone know of a way to record any of these streams?

I have tried a couple of things but cant find a way

Thanks guys


If the stream doesn't have security the Real Player should be able to
http://www.real.com/realplayer

Internet sources

http://download.cnet...pture-software/

http://all-streaming...e.htm#recwinrec


i think the stream has some security. i used the 'replay media catcher' the other day (before the ac site needed you to install their player) and it worked. not now though.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:05 AM

I can't get the high stream player to install says it's corrupted...any ideas???

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:11 AM

anyone got the espn360 stream yet?? not showin nuttin.... USA CO.....

Edit,
and yes I know it dosn't start for 4.5 hrs

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 06:14 AM

what's the difference between the OTWA americascup and raceday .php pages?

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 06:20 AM

View PostHalidon, on Feb 7 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

what's the difference between the OTWA americascup and raceday .php pages?



Clean's interviews

http://www.sailingan...americascup.php


AC live feed of the races & BOR shows

http://www.sailingan..._ac_raceday.php


Also there are OTW AC race forums here that are just for the races

http://forums.sailin...hp?showforum=61

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 06:49 AM

Alternate streams from TV broadcasts can be found at either links.

http://myp2p.eu/broa...141&part=sports

http://myp2p.eu/broa...380&part=sports

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 09:18 AM

Eurosport subscription works for Norway as well. I just bought 1 month for NOK 45 (approx $7.5) and I'm watching the live feed right now.

EDIT: Peelman, could you include Norway under the Eurosport paragraph? Thanks.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 05:23 PM

View PostNZL51, on Feb 7 2010, 06:19 PM, said:

Hi guys does anyone know of a way to record any of these streams?

I have tried a couple of things but cant find a way

Thanks guys



Take a look at a product called FREECORDER - which will handle audio only, although it "may" do video. I haven't had time to fool with it. Basically the audo grabs anything coming from your speaker. Comapny has other products for $$$ - but by the time you buy, event will be over.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:49 AM

Hey guys, I really don't give a rats ass about video streams, can anyone tell me if the America's Cup is going to be on TV in the US of A? West Coast time pls....

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 04:16 AM

View Post500Crew, on Feb 8 2010, 06:49 PM, said:

Hey guys, I really don't give a rats ass about video streams, can anyone tell me if the America's Cup is going to be on TV in the US of A? West Coast time pls....


The only way to get it on TV in USA is to connect your TV to your computer and watch the internet feed.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:57 PM

yea, i'm doing that w/ HDMI cable from my HP laptop to sony bravia lcd ...picture was great, except they weren't going anywhere!!

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Post icon  Posted 09 February 2010 - 02:30 PM

I will be away from my computer for some of the racing and thought I would try my iphone,but I can't seem to get a live stream at any of the sites I have tried so far.( I know nothing is happeneing now as afr as racing goes, but I'd like to be ready) I tried one site and apple doesn't support adobe flash. Does anyone know how to get a live stream on an iphone?

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:17 PM

Another recording type question. Will anyone or organization be recording and uploading the feed so say I can have it play back in the bar at 7pm? I've scanned the Americas cup and BOR websites and haven’t found anything. Right now I'm just assuming that one of them will have it.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 02:36 AM

View Postchicken eater, on Feb 8 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

View Post500Crew, on Feb 8 2010, 06:49 PM, said:

Hey guys, I really don't give a rats ass about video streams, can anyone tell me if the America's Cup is going to be on TV in the US of A? West Coast time pls....


The only way to get it on TV in USA is to connect your TV to your computer and watch the internet feed.

somamabitch! Thanks Chickeneater......Go Saints!

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:34 AM

nice journo roundtable today

and everything else has been super-tits awesome too

A+

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 08:47 AM

View PostThe Squareman, on Feb 8 2010, 09:23 AM, said:

View PostNZL51, on Feb 7 2010, 06:19 PM, said:

Hi guys does anyone know of a way to record any of these streams?

I have tried a couple of things but cant find a way

Thanks guys



Take a look at a product called FREECORDER - which will handle audio only, although it "may" do video. I haven't had time to fool with it. Basically the audo grabs anything coming from your speaker. Comapny has other products for $$$ - but by the time you buy, event will be over.



The other day I experimented with a number of screen capture utilities.
The only one I found that was very stable and with a decent playback picture was DesktopVideoRecorder from Mediaccurate. It does not do sound, unless you can use a microphone on your desk.
But the file sizes are just HUGE and unless you're a gamer with a cryogenic cooled quad motherboard hyperdrive pc on a fiber optic connection, your computer will overheat and die long before the race is over...

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 08:00 AM

Anyone know where i can find a reply of the race?

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