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#1 M. Johnson

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:34 PM

There is a lot of misunderstanding about the birth of the Nazi. First the Nazis were right wing nationalist . Not leftest socialists.
They were supported by the industrial leader ship in Germany . This was done to keep labor unions out , and to keep the cost of running there factories low .
Hitler and the Nazi party created a good side show for the disgruntled masses at the time . Remember Germany had been in a long recession.

I repeat The Nazis were a "right wing" conservative , nationalist , party. They were pro military expansion and supported a fascist regime

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word,[21] often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.[22]

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:39 PM

You have been talking to "new Nazi"sol again havn't you .


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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:56 PM

You have been talking to "new Nazi"sol again havn't you .




Is it just you , or is it the entire right wing that want to rewrite the dictionary?

Lets be fair , if we are going to have a conversation , lets not rewrite history , and change the meaning of words.

But if you do , dont blame me if I say you are ignorant .

See I am open minded . and I dont hate Sarah , in fact I love her, in a special way.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:02 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:16 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:18 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:19 PM

tea nazi's - has a nice ring to it - better than brownshirts

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:26 PM

tea nazi's - has a nice ring to it - better than brownshirts


Cock-gaytor. Mmmmm, has a nice ring to it as well.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:29 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

what? gator and akagp weren't enough?

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:31 PM

nazi's were to the right of communists... sort of. stalin said so, but that doesnt mean its true... not sure how a political party with socialist right in the fucking name has been construed to be right wing these days.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:34 PM

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]


The Dems have fascism down cold
Single party state - Dems good, Reps bad, Tea party dangerous
Forbid and suppress openness - They're well on the way to bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Any dissent is responded with ridicule. Palin, Tea party, etc are regularly described as wingnuts. That they might have a valid point is ignored.
Blames capitalism - Has Obama had anything good to say about big business?
Establish government control over business and labor. The government has taken over 2/3rds of car manufacturing. Mandating what banks pay structure should be like. Cap and trade to handle big oil and coal. Health care reform. All said and done, the government is trying to take over 60% of the GDP. Sign check to get control over labor.

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:35 PM

tea nazi's - has a nice ring to it - better than brownshirts


Cock-gaytor. Mmmmm, has a nice ring to it as well.


not surprised that jeffie shows his love for cocks

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:37 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

what? gator and akagp weren't enough?


Maybe. But I just kinda put them both on the douchebag scale and pretty much discount any kind of political thought they might each have.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:39 PM

I hate Illinois Nazis.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:40 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

what? gator and akagp weren't enough?


Maybe. But I just kinda put them both on the douchebag scale and pretty much discount any kind of political thought they might each have.


cock sucker :lol:

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:41 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

what? gator and akagp weren't enough?


Maybe. But I just kinda put them both on the douchebag scale and pretty much discount any kind of political thought they might each have.

yeah...like carl...

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:46 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.



no even ?

funny stuff .

you believe in calling others Nazis as "coherant"

{ jeff doesn't get the humor }

the posts as incoherant as they seem are basically a satiricle style and reaction to the derangement syndrome types like yourself elle .

funny how humorless political extremists become .

I laugh constantly as I type here --lots of ttypos result --some intentional --others just out of not really giving a shit here as its just so fucking funny to read the obsesses reactions to it --like yours--no even .

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:47 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.



no even ?

funny stuff .

you believe in calling others Nazis as "coherant"

{ jeff doesn't get the humor }

the posts as incoherant as they seem are basically a satiricle style and reaction to the derangement syndrome types like yourself elle .

funny how humorless political extremists become .

I laugh constantly as I type here --lots of ttypos result --some intentional --others just out of not really giving a shit here as its just so fucking funny to read the obsesses reactions to it --like yours--no even .

see what i mean, jeff?

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:52 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.



no even ?

funny stuff .

you believe in calling others Nazis as "coherant"

{ jeff doesn't get the humor }

the posts as incoherant as they seem are basically a satiricle style and reaction to the derangement syndrome types like yourself elle .

funny how humorless political extremists become .

I laugh constantly as I type here --lots of ttypos result --some intentional --others just out of not really giving a shit here as its just so fucking funny to read the obsesses reactions to it --like yours--no even .

see what i mean, jeff?



diction Nazi !!

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:55 PM

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]


The Dems have fascism down cold
Single party state - Dems good, Reps bad, Tea party dangerous
Forbid and suppress openness - They're well on the way to bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Any dissent is responded with ridicule. Palin, Tea party, etc are regularly described as wingnuts. That they might have a valid point is ignored.
Blames capitalism - Has Obama had anything good to say about big business?
Establish government control over business and labor. The government has taken over 2/3rds of car manufacturing. Mandating what banks pay structure should be like. Cap and trade to handle big oil and coal. Health care reform. All said and done, the government is trying to take over 60% of the GDP. Sign check to get control over labor.

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.

Yes I think you are right about that. Certainly the Social Service community has made itself a pain in the ass. But that is not just the lefts problem.
After all he right demands plenty from the Government. I dont want the government to invade any of our lives. But we have a government , and how can it be productive and meet the need of the populous? To that question , we must ask what society need to be healthy. Is an educated populous necessary? for instance.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:59 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.



no even ?

funny stuff .

you believe in calling others Nazis as "coherant"

{ jeff doesn't get the humor }

the posts as incoherant as they seem are basically a satiricle style and reaction to the derangement syndrome types like yourself elle .

funny how humorless political extremists become .

I laugh constantly as I type here --lots of ttypos result --some intentional --others just out of not really giving a shit here as its just so fucking funny to read the obsesses reactions to it --like yours--no even .

see what i mean, jeff?



diction Nazi !!

:P ...have a good one carl....go saints!

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:00 PM

no even !!

#23 M. Johnson

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:02 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.



no even ?

funny stuff .

you believe in calling others Nazis as "coherant"

{ jeff doesn't get the humor }

the posts as incoherant as they seem are basically a satiricle style and reaction to the derangement syndrome types like yourself elle .

funny how humorless political extremists become .



I laugh constantly as I type here --lots of ttypos result --some intentional --others just out of not really giving a shit here as its just so fucking funny to read the obsesses reactions to it --like yours--no even .

Hi Carl ,I am not sure what you are trying to say.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:03 PM

Hi Carl ,I am not sure what you are trying to say.

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! welcome to PA

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:06 PM

Jesus - I wondered when the left's version of carl would show up here and Frank James just put that question to rest.

no even fucking close...
that post whether you agree or disagree was coherent.


OK, maybe not the same on the coherence scale. But similar on a far end of the spectrum outrageous scale

what? gator and akagp weren't enough?


Maybe. But I just kinda put them both on the douchebag scale and pretty much discount any kind of political thought they might each have.

Jeff, please dont call me a douche bag.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:15 PM

Jeffie has enthusiastically posted on SA about knocking women around and fucking them in the ass (no doubt a cover for his latent homosexuality) - so who's the douchebag?

troubling :(

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:26 PM

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]


The Dems have fascism down cold
Single party state - Dems good, Reps bad, Tea party dangerous
Forbid and suppress openness - They're well on the way to bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Any dissent is responded with ridicule. Palin, Tea party, etc are regularly described as wingnuts. That they might have a valid point is ignored.
Blames capitalism - Has Obama had anything good to say about big business?
Establish government control over business and labor. The government has taken over 2/3rds of car manufacturing. Mandating what banks pay structure should be like. Cap and trade to handle big oil and coal. Health care reform. All said and done, the government is trying to take over 60% of the GDP. Sign check to get control over labor.

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.

Yes I think you are right about that. Certainly the Social Service community has made itself a pain in the ass. But that is not just the lefts problem.
After all he right demands plenty from the Government. I dont want the government to invade any of our lives. But we have a government , and how can it be productive and meet the need of the populous? To that question , we must ask what society need to be healthy. Is an educated populous necessary? for instance.

Health, education,etc should be handled at the local level, no higher than the state level at worst.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:50 PM

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]


The Dems have fascism down cold
Single party state - Dems good, Reps bad, Tea party dangerous
Forbid and suppress openness - They're well on the way to bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Any dissent is responded with ridicule. Palin, Tea party, etc are regularly described as wingnuts. That they might have a valid point is ignored.
Blames capitalism - Has Obama had anything good to say about big business?
Establish government control over business and labor. The government has taken over 2/3rds of car manufacturing. Mandating what banks pay structure should be like. Cap and trade to handle big oil and coal. Health care reform. All said and done, the government is trying to take over 60% of the GDP. Sign check to get control over labor.

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.

Yes I think you are right about that. Certainly the Social Service community has made itself a pain in the ass. But that is not just the lefts problem.
After all he right demands plenty from the Government. I dont want the government to invade any of our lives. But we have a government , and how can it be productive and meet the need of the populous? To that question , we must ask what society need to be healthy. Is an educated populous necessary? for instance.

Health, education,etc should be handled at the local level, no higher than the state level at worst.

And how would you handle the fact that certain states have in the past denied a portion of their population their rights. Would you now decide that your states constitution would trump the US Constitution? How would you deal with the conflict between states rights and the constitution ? Would you like to fight that war of the states again? Interstate transport? I am not trying to bust balls her or be funny. How would it be done? Now if you are a poor state, how do you compete with a rich state? you wont have the subsidies of the rich states any more, but by law you will have to provide services . Not to simple.

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 11:05 PM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 12:28 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 12:41 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.


Like this guy? http://www.foxnews.c...,525340,00.html

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 12:52 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.


Like this guy? http://www.foxnews.c...,525340,00.html


Gee, I didn't know he was an Americorps volunteer. Nothing in the article indicates that he has anything to do with the Tea Party.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:04 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.

For the record, I haven't called anyone a Nazi. Apparently, however, you're going to hang your hat on your Sturmabteilung/Americorps comparison. Okay then. Enjoy the convention. Moran.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:07 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.


Like this guy? http://www.foxnews.c...,525340,00.html


Gee, I didn't know he was an Americorps volunteer. Nothing in the article indicates that he has anything to do with the Tea Party.


"...charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there."

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:14 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.

For the record, I haven't called anyone a Nazi. Apparently, however, you're going to hang your hat on your Sturmabteilung/Americorps comparison. Okay then. Enjoy the convention. Moran.


For the record, you posted in support of a thread that compares Tea party members to Nazis.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:18 AM

so who's the douchebag?

troubling :(


You are.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:23 AM

There is a lot of misunderstanding about the birth of the Nazi. First the Nazis were right wing nationalist . Not leftest socialists.
They were supported by the industrial leader ship in Germany . This was done to keep labor unions out , and to keep the cost of running there factories low .
Hitler and the Nazi party created a good side show for the disgruntled masses at the time . Remember Germany had been in a long recession.

I repeat The Nazis were a "right wing" conservative , nationalist , party. They were pro military expansion and supported a fascist regime

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word,[21] often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.[22]


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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:37 AM

There is a lot of misunderstanding about the birth of the Nazi. First the Nazis were right wing nationalist . Not leftest socialists.
They were supported by the industrial leader ship in Germany . This was done to keep labor unions out , and to keep the cost of running there factories low .
Hitler and the Nazi party created a good side show for the disgruntled masses at the time . Remember Germany had been in a long recession.

I repeat The Nazis were a "right wing" conservative , nationalist , party. They were pro military expansion and supported a fascist regime

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word,[21] often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.[22]


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Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaFascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism with a corporatist economic system. Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional .... Mussolini claimed that Italian Fascism's economic system of corporatism could be ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 02:07 AM

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.


The rest of your misguided post is bad enough, but if you seriously think there's any parallel between the Sturmabteilung and Americorps, you are one seriously fucked up idiot.


So, it's fine to call tea party members Nazis, but call someone a Brown shirt and you're fucked up.
Brown shirts were poor inner city uneducated thugs. Most were under 25. Do some research on the Americorps "Volunteers". They fit the same profile. All it would take is for a charismatic leader to organize them for violence and we're right there.

For the record, I haven't called anyone a Nazi. Apparently, however, you're going to hang your hat on your Sturmabteilung/Americorps comparison. Okay then. Enjoy the convention. Moran.


For the record, you posted in support of a thread that compares Tea party members to Nazis.


To be clear, I posted within a thread that suggested that comparison, as did you. My posts do not in any way endorse the original premise. Yours, OTOH....

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:48 AM

I first made that comparison based on the behavior I observed at rallies and town meeting. Now to be fair I dont think all tea partiers are like that.
But I did notice how many kept their mouths shut when their members were abusing people. They might say they did not know about it.
Certainly the silence of those and Fox news condoned it. I for one dont think the party has a long life span. It is already being taken apart by the power brokers. But then who knows. It is good that people show more interest in how the country is run. But we need to know what is going on , and one voice should not be trusted as having the all the facts. Whether it be the left or the right.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:53 AM

Yeah. Fucking Tea Party. Nazi fucks.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 05:04 AM

I first made that comparison based on the behavior I observed at rallies and town meeting. Now to be fair I dont think all tea partiers are like that.
But I did notice how many kept their mouths shut when their members were abusing people. They might say they did not know about it.
Certainly the silence of those and Fox news condoned it. I for one dont think the party has a long life span. It is already being taken apart by the power brokers. But then who knows. It is good that people show more interest in how the country is run. But we need to know what is going on , and one voice should not be trusted as having the all the facts. Whether it be the left or the right.


It'd be nice if they all signed a petition. It'd be nice if MSNBC had the ratings that Fox News had. It'd be nice if we had a leader for a President. It'd be nice.........

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 05:06 AM

I first made that comparison based on the behavior I observed at rallies and town meeting. Now to be fair I dont think all tea partiers are like that.
But I did notice how many kept their mouths shut when their members were abusing people. They might say they did not know about it.
Certainly the silence of those and Fox news condoned it. I for one dont think the party has a long life span. It is already being taken apart by the power brokers. But then who knows. It is good that people show more interest in how the country is run. But we need to know what is going on , and one voice should not be trusted as having the all the facts. Whether it be the left or the right.

Were you at a tea party rally or a town hall meeting? I went to one of the 1st Tea Parties. No rabid maniacs there. I was one of the youngest ones there, and I'm over 50. It was down right boring. From what I heard, most of the other rallies were much the same. I didn't attend a town hall. My rep was one of those who tried to keep his private. If you look at the press reports, you could see that there were 2 different types at the town halls. The ones who tried to ask a polite question, and the ones who disrupted the meetings when the congressman/senator tried to ignore, baffle with bullshit, or insult the questioner. I'll let you guess who the tea partyers were.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 05:14 AM

I first made that comparison based on the behavior I observed at rallies and town meeting. Now to be fair I dont think all tea partiers are like that.
But I did notice how many kept their mouths shut when their members were abusing people. They might say they did not know about it.
Certainly the silence of those and Fox news condoned it. I for one dont think the party has a long life span. It is already being taken apart by the power brokers. But then who knows. It is good that people show more interest in how the country is run. But we need to know what is going on , and one voice should not be trusted as having the all the facts. Whether it be the left or the right.


It'd be nice if they all signed a petition. It'd be nice if MSNBC had the ratings that Fox News had. It'd be nice if we had a leader for a President. It'd be nice.........

I for one dont care what MSNBC's ratings are. You see i dont work for them. Obama was elected to lead the executive branch of our government, and that is the job he is trying to do. This is a free democracy ,no King. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, then you will have to HTFU.
Voted , and that was the petition I signed.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 06:32 AM

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]


The Dems have fascism down cold
Single party state - Dems good, Reps bad, Tea party dangerous
Forbid and suppress openness - They're well on the way to bringing back the "fairness doctrine". Any dissent is responded with ridicule. Palin, Tea party, etc are regularly described as wingnuts. That they might have a valid point is ignored.
Blames capitalism - Has Obama had anything good to say about big business?
Establish government control over business and labor. The government has taken over 2/3rds of car manufacturing. Mandating what banks pay structure should be like. Cap and trade to handle big oil and coal. Health care reform. All said and done, the government is trying to take over 60% of the GDP. Sign check to get control over labor.

As for brown shirts, I think that Americorps fit the bill nicely.

Yes I think you are right about that. Certainly the Social Service community has made itself a pain in the ass. But that is not just the lefts problem.
After all he right demands plenty from the Government. I dont want the government to invade any of our lives. But we have a government , and how can it be productive and meet the need of the populous? To that question , we must ask what society need to be healthy. Is an educated populous necessary? for instance.

Health, education,etc should be handled at the local level, no higher than the state level at worst.


Sounds like Canada to me.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 07:03 AM

Having been raised in Canada... the longer I live here in the USA, the more I think that, in practical terms, Canada's closer to what the founding fathers intended than the USA is. Strange, ironic, twist of history. In practice (and in contrast to the respective constitutions), Provinces seem to have way more independence from Ottawa, than the States do from Washington. Or so it seems to me, anyways.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 02:58 PM

There is a lot of misunderstanding about the birth of the Nazi. First the Nazis were right wing nationalist . Not leftest socialists.
They were supported by the industrial leader ship in Germany . This was done to keep labor unions out , and to keep the cost of running there factories low .
Hitler and the Nazi party created a good side show for the disgruntled masses at the time . Remember Germany had been in a long recession.

I repeat The Nazis were a "right wing" conservative , nationalist , party. They were pro military expansion and supported a fascist regime

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[12] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[13] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation, and accuses communists of exploiting the concept.[14] Fascism fashioned itself as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism"[15] by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.[15]

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state socialism.[16][17] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Italian fascist leader Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[18][19] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any such definition.[20]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word,[21] often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.[22]


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Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaFascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism with a corporatist economic system. Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional .... Mussolini claimed that Italian Fascism's economic system of corporatism could be ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Where else?



Just seemed a bit too prepared to be a post.

I guess for those without the ability, there's always Wiki.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:58 PM

Sorry, can't comment on this....

I'm still waiting for Obama's REAL Birth certificate to show up.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 07:25 PM

Frank has to be "New nazi " Soly's sock puppet

how many people really think others are "new Nazis " teapartiers are "new Nazis --neocons are new Nazis etc etc


well o k --there are several here but how many actually post it ?

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:04 AM

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:11 AM

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No. Do YOU miss him?

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:17 AM

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No. Do YOU miss him?

Ben


Not as much as I miss Jerry. The world would have been a much different place if he had been reelected.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:22 AM

Not as much as I miss Jerry. The world would have been a much different place if he had been reelected.


I was asking Carl.

I was looking forward to him defending Bush, posting a few paragraphs on how bad Democrats are, then telling me I am partisan. Oh... And telling me this a hilarious comedy site, and that some people just don't get that.

Almost forgot that last part.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:28 AM

Not as much as I miss Jerry. The world would have been a much different place if he had been reelected.


I was asking Carl.

I was looking forward to him defending Bush, posting a few paragraphs on how bad Democrats are, then telling me I am partisan. Oh... And telling me this a hilarious comedy site, and that some people just don't get that.

Almost forgot that last part.

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Nancy Pelosi is bentweiny's current idol


{used to be chirac }

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:31 AM

Not as much as I miss Jerry. The world would have been a much different place if he had been reelected.


I was asking Carl.

I was looking forward to him defending Bush, posting a few paragraphs on how bad Democrats are, then telling me I am partisan. Oh... And telling me this a hilarious comedy site, and that some people just don't get that.

Almost forgot that last part.

Ben



Isn't bush Hitler to progs like you ? or was that neocons ? --no no --they were "new Nazis " --but now teabaggers are new Nazis ? -- I,m confused

I thought a pic of the former prez would help others clearify exactly who is Hitler now and who the new Nazis are

thanks in advance

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:40 AM

Not as much as I miss Jerry. The world would have been a much different place if he had been reelected.


I was asking Carl.

I was looking forward to him defending Bush, posting a few paragraphs on how bad Democrats are, then telling me I am partisan. Oh... And telling me this a hilarious comedy site, and that some people just don't get that.

Almost forgot that last part.

Ben



Isn't bush Hitler to progs like you ? or was that neocons ? --no no --they were "new Nazis " --but now teabaggers are new Nazis ? -- I,m confused

I thought a pic of the former prez would help others clearify exactly who is Hitler now and who the new Nazis are

thanks in advance


It doesn't "clearify" that at all. It has the simple question, "Do you miss me yet?". So I answered the question.

Then I asked you the same question, and you strung together some words like "hitler" and "nazis" and the usual incoherent rant that you usually exhale after you've been bogarting the "stupid bong".

Now... Get out the virtual crayons and give me some pictures, bitch.


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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:44 AM

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"now now bentweiny --as your new idol I don't want you be like me --a condescending pretentious bitch --you just go on being clueless .

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:53 AM

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"now now bentweiny --as your new idol I don't want you be like me --a condescending pretentious bitch --you just go on being clueless .


As you wish Ms. Pelosi... Your wish is my command....

One question if I may? How do I get Carl to answer a question? Show me the power, my master.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 02:08 AM

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"needless to say I am very dissappointed in my replacement idol bentweiny "

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 03:01 AM

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"needless to say I am very dissappointed in my replacement idol bentweiny "


That's the way it goes, Chirac. One day your my idol, the next just another new nazi. As a farewell gift, do YOU know how I can get Carl to answer a question?

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 01:25 PM

I,m confused

dont worry , at least you have company in the tea party.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 02:49 PM

Are you aware that the Nazis laid railroad tracks to the gates of Auschwitz to facilitate its engine of mass death and murder of over 6 million people? Or can you grasp the idea of 25 million perishing in the gulags -


Hitler destroyed European democracy. His minions persecuted Christians, gassed over six million Jews, and created an entire fascistic creed predicated on anti-Semitism and the myth of a superior race.


perhaps you should read some factual history .

The ideological paralells of "progressives" then and now and where they lead in history are of imore interest --




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