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[Occams Razor]

Anyone want an inexpensive glass racer?

[eric e]

good video presentation at

http://www.extreme30...n&pg=conception

for those of us who occasionally like to back our C$110,00 trailerable sport cats into 40' containers and then ship them to the med. for some sport cruising???

or if you've been holding back on getting an extreme40 due to the lack of berths

wonder how it would do against an f32R

[PIL007]

Like to see 20ft beam(I'm a beam man) but otherwise nice.....what price Aud...?

[eric e]

presumably about A$150, 000? after shipping and taxes...

what will nacra australia make you an R36 for again?

about the same isn't it and i don't think you get berths

[soma]

Looks pretty cool to me. Aluminum beams and mast is a drag, but to hit 100k, that's the penalty I guess. Sign me up for one...as soon as the first one is built.

[Keith]

Good concept, good pricing.... hope to see one sailing soon.......... and right here in little ole Canada!

[REW]

Did anyone see an estimated weight on the site? Does look interesting and I think to take off they will have to hit their price targets. Then maybe after the economy recovers they can tweak it up with some carbon bits (beams, spar, boom) which might add 25K to the price.

The lightspeed was a great boat but priced istself out of the market out of the gate. With multihulls the key is getting boats on the water racing in sufficient numbers to make it interesting. Ultra high performance will ultimately follow but not in sufficient numbers to build a business plan around....at least not yet.

I hope they succeed.....and I am glad to see that it doesn't have a 14 foot beam.

rew

[sylvain.carignan]

Hello
First, sorry for my bad english and thank you for the good comments on the toro34. We are very excited to produce several TORO34 as soon as possible!

My name is Sylvain Carignan and I'm part of the design team for the TORO34

About the beams and aluminium mast :
One goal of TORO34 is to produce a performance catamaran, but with a very efficient lowest cost possible. This objective leads us directly to the use of aluminum. In the current economic situation and in general we want to offer a catamaran offering outstanding performance for a very reasonable budget. We believe that this objective is achieved with an introductory price of $ 100,000 Cdn

Although the mast and beams are available in aluminum, we are currently working to provide an optional carbon mast.

As you can see, another goal is to produce a catamaran with large volume of buoyancy, in addition to security and push the limits of downwind sailing, this volume allows you to insert bed.

The concept of the trailer is very interesting too, we will file soon on youtube a video of the trailer and its mechanisms.
http://www.youtube.com/DesignCatamaran


stay in touch!</SPAN></SPAN>

[pitchpoledave]

Hi Sylvain,
Great to see you on the weekend at the Canadian F18 Nationals. Can you give us a status update on the project?

Thanks,
Dave

[sylvain.carignan]

The present is to inform you that the Toro34 is now in the final stages of the moulds manufacturing and production of the hulls should start shortly, delivery of the first production boat is schedule for July 2011. For your information Design Catamaran has made some changes to the rig in order to improve overall performances. As standard equipment the Toro34 will now be delivered with Carbon wing mast, Carbon boom as well as front and rear carbon crossbars. This change will improve performance and overall stiffness of the boat while reducing the overall weight. Please stay tune as more information will be coming your way as the production advances and we get closer to an official launch .

TORO 34 : fast facts

• The TORO 34 : fast, sporty and safe catamaran.
• Raid boat.
• 5 person's crew.
• A catamaran that can be put together by 2 persons without motorize assistance (crane or other) in 4 hours.
• Catamaran transportable by trailer or by container (40').
• Sleeper berth for 4 persons.
• Reasonable cost.

bye

Sylvain Carignan
Design Catamaran

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[B30]

The present is to inform you that the Toro34 is now in the final stages of the moulds manufacturing and production of the hulls should start shortly, delivery of the first production boat is schedule for July 2011. For your information Design Catamaran has made some changes to the rig in order to improve overall performances. As standard equipment the Toro34 will now be delivered with Carbon wing mast, Carbon boom as well as front and rear carbon crossbars. This change will improve performance and overall stiffness of the boat while reducing the overall weight. Please stay tune as more information will be coming your way as the production advances and we get closer to an official launch .

TORO 34 : fast facts

• The TORO 34 : fast, sporty and safe catamaran.
• Raid boat.
• 5 person's crew.
• A catamaran that can be put together by 2 persons without motorize assistance (crane or other) in 4 hours.
• Catamaran transportable by trailer or by container (40').
• Sleeper berth for 4 persons.
• Reasonable cost.

bye

Sylvain Carignan
Design Catamaran

Good luck! I hope your project takes off. It is very similar to the Lightspeed 33, which I loved but unfortunately never made it into production. One issue they had was price. it was impossible to keep it under 250k, but was an all carbon build.

[soma]

Dude! Congrats. That's a big step.

What's the updated price?

[sylvain.carignan]

I can give you the exact price at the official launch of Toro34.

We're almost ready ...
But I think you'll be very surprised at the sale price. We do a lot of effort to keep sales prices very affordable while offering a very high quality catamaran.

Bye

Sylvain

[sylvain.carignan]

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[sylvain.carignan]

Somes pics of the new toro34
Sylvain

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[HANDYCAP10]

look fwd to seeing one in aus to give the graingers etc a run!

[soma]

Any update?

[bhyde]

Somes pics of the new toro34
Sylvain

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Interesting plug construction. Anyone know what the black stuff applied over the foam is?

[sylvain.carignan]

Production of Toro # 1

A few words to update you on the production of Toro #1. The hulls are now in production and we expect delivery in a couple of weeks. Also the Mast, crossbars and Code 0 pole (all carbon) are now in production phase following the production of the manufacturing tools. The manufacturing tools are really of high quality .

You will now be able to follow the evolution of the manufacturing of the Toro 34 #1 on our web site with a series of video that will be posted as the project evolves.www.designcatamaran.com

The Design Catamaran Team

Any update?

[soma]

Thanks for the update. Looks great. Really cool project. Keep us posted.

[ddstarr]

Just been on the web site. Soooo sexy the new hulls !!! This boat is a blast. I wish i could see this boat in real. I continue selling my carrots to buy one. How much by the way ?

[Sextant]

Just been on the web site. Soooo sexy the new hulls !!! This boat is a blast. I wish i could see this boat in real. I continue selling my carrots to buy one. How much by the way ?

The boat will be in the water in mid October we should have pictures then The introductory price is set at $160,000.00 canadian dollars ready to sail including the telescopic trailer to set the boat up and raise the mast witout external cranes or help

[sylvain.carignan]

Hi Bhyde,
it is simply a layer of fiberglass is sanded and re-sanded for a perfect finish.You can see the video of manufacturing the plug of carbon mast ..

http://youtu.be/N0VFxwBrrOA

Somes pics of the new toro34
Sylvain

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Interesting plug construction. Anyone know what the black stuff applied over the foam is?

[sylvain.carignan]

We are currently at the Salon Nautique de Paris to present our work on our catamaran: TORO34
You can Meet André Pilon at the following address:
andre.pilon @ designcatamaran.com
You can also see several videos of the progress of work on the Toro34 # 1 on our YouTube channel. The Toro34 # 2 will begin immediately after the completion of Toro34 # 1. Yeah!
Design Catamaran youtube channel
Enjoy! Before sailing :-)

Sylvain Carignan
Président-directeur général/
President & General Manager
Design Catamaran Inc.
217 Milot
Trois-Rivières, Québec, Canada
G8T 7L8
cell: 819 692 5552
sylvain.carignan@designcatamaran.com
www.designcatamaran.com

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[sylvain.carignan]

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Hulls of the first boat almost finished! The result meet ourhighest expectations. The final assembly is to begin shortly.

Top quality Harken Hardware and Quantum MR 7300 sails.

We’ll have a fantastic boat to show in few weeks!



The design catamaran team.

Update vid!

[Lat 18]

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Hulls of the first boat almost finished! The result meet ourhighest expectations. The final assembly is to begin shortly.

Top quality Harken Hardware and Quantum MR 7300 sails.

We'll have a fantastic boat to show in few weeks!



The design catamaran team.

Update vid!

Although "in few weeks" turned into about three months, they do finally have the first boat done. You can see pics at their website. Looks cool to me. Has anyone seen it upclose? They were supposed to be sailing this week. Any pics, report?

[SL33_SF]

We'll have a fantastic boat to show in few weeks!

Sylvain,
are you coming to the Big Boat Series in San Francisco to race with us?
Great opportunity to show the Toro to the World!

[eric e]

can't find the website

but tdid find this

http://www.voileenli...ment-du-toro-34

[green boat]

look fwd to seeing one in aus to give the graingers etc a run!

Tony Grainger has had these designs out for many years, check his web site.
I believe the new price, made in Asia is far more attractive.
put this together with all the design and testing Tony has done,
as well as the investment into multi racing particularly in Aus
well you make the decision.

[Keith]

I like really the like the lines , these pics are from their Facebook page....

Soon there should be sea trial information.....

I also really like T. Grainger designs, but this isn't his design.

We have the Habs, and now the Toro 34. Cool, very cool.

http://www.facebook....21924615&type=3

[eric e]

very much a double-sized current F18

which is a turn about

as the granddaddy of the F18 was the nacra 5.2

which was very much a half sized 1972? R36.nacra

[Occams Razor]

How cool. Anyone want to partner up in San Francisco?

[Keith]

Well, shes launched, and sailing. with Mike Birch to do the honors.... well done






"Latest news on the Toro34 project launch, christening and public unveiling

''From dream to paper to reality, on July 20^th the Quebec base catamaran manufacturer Design Catamaran Inc. launched and christened the new Toro 34. During the Quebec / St-Malo Atlantic crossing regatta event in Quebec city The Toro 34 was revealed to the general public for the first time. For the occasion the recognised and well known skipper Mike Birch was present and did the honours of christening and autographing the Toro. (see attach photos). The Toro 34 is a high-tech, high performance catamaran with sleeping berths, that is road trailable and can be shipped world wide in a 40 feet container. Purpose built trailer allows mast to be stepped without any external help or cranes. The boat can be assemble in 3 to 4hours. The Toro 34 is aimed at specific markets on a national and International scene. Raids in a regatta form or family & friends get together, as a family week-ender and Sailing schools specially to address the high demand for training on new high-tech multihull in Europe and abroad.



While the Toro 34 no #1 is slated to be shipped to it's owner in the Caribbean in the next few weeks, Toro #2 is under construction and should be at the Paris boat show in December. Construction of Toro #3 should also start shortly. The company also has plans for a Toro34 RC a full racing carbon version.



For more information visit www.DesignCatamaran.com



André Pilon"

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[Robnacra]

Any vids of it sailing poped up yet?

[sylvain.carignan]

HI Rob!
the vid come in the next few days!!!!
The boat is perfect! Fast, very fast!
The helm is light, precise and very responsive even in the gusts. We did 16 knots of boat speed going upwind in 18 knots of wind very easy without code zero. The next day, in light air, 8 knots of wind we did 12 knots of boat speed with the code0 out and 7 people onboard needless to say I and my partners were very happy with the results.

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[sylvain.carignan]

This picture is very good !
The vid will come in the next few day!

Sylvain

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[munt]

looks super cool. could you give the dimensions in feet and pounds? especially interested in beam, mast height and all up weight. any bunks inside?

[eliboat]

Videos???

[Robnacra]

Numbers sound similar to the nacra 36c. It's all carbon though apart from the beams. Hope someone buys one down here in aus be great to see them line up! Great to see some high performance cats being produced for the weekend warrior! There is a couple of vids from on board the toro floating around but they don't show much. Can't wait to see some video of it being pushed in a breeze and making use of all that volume!

[Lat 18]

looks super cool. could you give the dimensions in feet and pounds? especially interested in beam, mast height and all up weight. any bunks inside?

Go to their website. It's all there.

[sylvain.carignan]

Yo!
you can see a new video directly on our website...

http://www.designcat.../page.asp?lg=en

or we have this one too
http://youtu.be/fqzawKdtAic

The boat reach easy at 16-18 kn with the jib in 15/16kn of wind and wave around 1m....

We touch the 20kn of speed in 15kn of wind with the code zero...easy easy going...

Now we wait to have 20to25kn of wind to make a speed record with the code zero...but i think it will be very easy and i hope to be very happy with the final speed :-)
bye
Sly

[Veeger]

They arrive!
They sail!
They're cool!
They fail to sell!
They slip into the dustbin of good intentions and nice ideas!
Did I say that they don't sell?

(see Lightspeed 32, Marstrom, et al)

[SL33_SF]

They arrive!
They sail!
They're cool!
They fail to sell!
They slip into the dustbin of good intentions and nice ideas!
Did I say that they don't sell?

(see Lightspeed 32, Marstrom, et al)

They provide the sailors with heaps of fun!
They let the sailors learn a lot about sailing (and physics)!
They are not for everybody! So what?

By the way: this type of cats sells pretty well outside North America.
But if you bring up your kids sailing 420's without spinnaker and trapeze (or even worse 'dinghy' contraptions), what do you expect to happen?

[sylvain.carignan]

They arrive!
They sail!
They're cool!
They fail to sell!
They slip into the dustbin of good intentions and nice ideas!
Did I say that they don't sell?

(see Lightspeed 32, Marstrom, et al)

Oh Veeger!
I think I don't take you in my team! :-)
Not really optimistic on forum dedicated to multihull!
But, i am at least partly agree with you: sales SL33 catamaran type or Toro or lightspeed have not yet reached their peak ...
Time will tell if the number of multihull sailor increase ... But I am betting that this number will increase!

There is still much work to promote our sport and our boats ... but one thing is certain: each person who came to do a ride on the Toro navigate with smile on lips and leave very happy!
These multihulls are true happiness machine ;-)
Sly

[Lat 18]

They arrive!
They sail!
They're cool!
They fail to sell!
They slip into the dustbin of good intentions and nice ideas!
Did I say that they don't sell?

(see Lightspeed 32, Marstrom, et al)

Oh Veeger!
I think I don't take you in my team! :-)
Not really optimistic on forum dedicated to multihull!
But, i am at least partly agree with you: sales SL33 catamaran type or Toro or lightspeed have not yet reached their peak ...
Time will tell if the number of multihull sailor increase ... But I am betting that this number will increase!

There is still much work to promote our sport and our boats ... but one thing is certain: each person who came to do a ride on the Toro navigate with smile on lips and leave very happy!
These multihulls are true happiness machine ;-)
Sly

Sly,
I think I read that the 1st boat is going to the Caribbean. Can you tell me which island? I'll look for it. Would love to see it.

[Veeger]

Guys! Don't get me wrong! I love em and they are big enough and powerful enough to provide some real fine sailing! I'd like to see a 32-36 sport cruiser along the same lines and I might even pay $250k for one so I'm not really knocking 'em. Mostly, I am amazed at the many attempts to capture this segment of the market. It takes bigger ballz and a crapload of money to develop them and try to market them. Maybe they come from a few well heeled guys that are willing to spend the big bucks for that kind of sailing for themselves and kinda hope that they could, might, maybe, eventually, somewhat recover some of their investment. It just hasn't seemed to work out yet for any of them and more's the pity!

[pitchpoledave]

Yo!
you can see a new video directly on our website...

http://www.designcat.../page.asp?lg=en

or we have this one too


The boat reach easy at 16-18 kn with the jib in 15/16kn of wind and wave around 1m....

We touch the 20kn of speed in 15kn of wind with the code zero...easy easy going...

Now we wait to have 20to25kn of wind to make a speed record with the code zero...but i think it will be very easy and i hope to be very happy with the final speed :-)
bye
Sly

Looks fantastic.. great quality. You should bring it to the great lakes to some events.. Lake Ontario 300 for eg. Chi-Mac..etc.

Is there a usable interior? Pics of the interior?

[macca]

Guys! Don't get me wrong! I love em and they are big enough and powerful enough to provide some real fine sailing! I'd like to see a 32-36 sport cruiser along the same lines and I might even pay $250k for one so I'm not really knocking 'em. Mostly, I am amazed at the many attempts to capture this segment of the market. It takes bigger ballz and a crapload of money to develop them and try to market them. Maybe they come from a few well heeled guys that are willing to spend the big bucks for that kind of sailing for themselves and kinda hope that they could, might, maybe, eventually, somewhat recover some of their investment. It just hasn't seemed to work out yet for any of them and more's the pity!

There is certainly a big gap in the market for a 10m race boat and the world is really moving in this direction, but the only way for such a class to emerge in any numbers is to have a race series integrated into the offering from the start. Without that there is little justification to buy an orphan boat. Its like having a GT3 RS but no race track and no races.... cool toy but you will struggle to find many buyers without a reason to go racing.

[eric e]

10mtr katipo cat

coming along in nz too



http://www.lloydstev...ge/build/#item9

[Robnacra]

Katipo looks good is there more info on it somewhere?

[Scarecrow]

http://www.lloydstev....nz/page/build/

[eric e]

think the 1st katipo will be doing a coastal race oct19th as "ninja"

auckland to russell

http://www.coastalcl...o.nz/race-docs/

http://www.coastalcl...f_handicaps.pdf

so if it doesn't break we'll get a good idea of it's potential

[Sextant]

And for those that did not believe or thought this project would not sell or go anywhere Think again. follow this link this is a pretty big announcement

http://www.designcat...-12-07(eng).pdf

[eric e]

^

good for them getting some big sport multis into japan

there are zero at the moment

only a very few multis of any description bigger than beach cats

a few lagoon type crusiers and a couple of old farriers seems about it

http://www.eonet.ne....24torimaran.htm

[bhyde]

A cruising boat distributor in...Japan? I'm confused.

[vmg]

A dealer has been appointed in a country that has very few boats of this type.
Why is this a big announcement?
Don't rush out and spend the money yet

And for those that did not believe or thought this project would not sell or go anywhere Think again. follow this link this is a pretty big announcement

http://www.designcat...-12-07(eng).pdf

[Sextant]

A dealer has been appointed in a country that has very few boats of this type.
Why is this a big announcement?
Don't rush out and spend the money yet

And for those that did not believe or thought this project would not sell or go anywhere Think again. follow this link this is a pretty big announcement

http://www.designcat...-12-07(eng).pdf

The point being is that they now have a distributor and presence with demo capabilities in Asia and are much closer to Australia and NZ. Plus becuase of the ACWS and and AC72 Cup there is a lot more interest from China and having a foot hold in Japan puts them in a much better position to promote and sell more boats. That is the big deal.about this announcemnt. Being in business myself I understand why they are excetied. China, Japan, Vietnam big markets

[Occams Razor]

Japan might be a big market. Would be great if someone cracked it. However, don't fool yourself thinking that if you're in Japan, you're "closer" to ANZ, or even China. You need to be right there, in those markets. Very little in common across those markets.

[Sextant]

I Agree with you 100% However being closer to those markets provides certain advantages in terms of distance i.e boat inventory, delivery, parts etc. certainly can't hurt

[eric e]

tokyo based presumably?

the americas cup's embrace of multis seems to have been the "official" blessing that the japanese need to legitimize interest in a sub-section of a foreign sport

the next challenge is access to; water, storage and maintenance facilities, parking and people

which city - marina is the importer based?

enoshima, as the sailing venue for the 1968 olympics seems to be the most popular



but nearby hayama and zushi probably have more cashed up members



http://www.riviera-r.jp/zushi-marina/english/harbor/

[bhyde]

Japan might be a big market. Would be great if someone cracked it. However, don't fool yourself thinking that if you're in Japan, you're "closer" to ANZ, or even China. You need to be right there, in those markets. Very little in common across those markets.

+1

Is North America going to be serviced from Canada, or is a US distributor going to be signed?

[Sextant]

Both depending on location

[Seacart]

going where Lightspeed tried. hope this one works out better

[Sextant]

going where Lightspeed tried. hope this one works out better

Why are you so negative different times and markets

[soma]

I see a Toro 34 is entered in Heineken. I look forward to seeing it in action.

[Sextant]

I see a Toro 34 is entered in Heineken. I look forward to seeing it in action.

Unfortunately the boat was sold, production is working as fast as it can to get boats out but due to sales commitment, no demo boat will be available until mid or end of May 2013 so we will not be able to attend the Heineken event. Needless to say we are very disappointed but customers come first.

[soma]

So the buyer of hull #1 isnt racing?

[eric e]

^
perhaps boat 1 is going to japan...

[sylvain.carignan]

A lot of good news for Design Catamaran!! We will be exhibiting at the multihull Grande Motte (France) with our new distributor IAG Marine ... The bad news is that it will be difficult to get a Toro at our disposal for our pleasure! Sales are excellent and the list of people interested growing :-) The other good news is that the Toro is now certified CE category B! yeah! bye Sly

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