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[Humungus]

[quote name='shaggybaxter' timestamp='1302294725' post='3226143']
Hey Guys,

I am right on the cusp of buying a SB at present, and frankly you are scaring me off the whole concept.

I want to have fun with my sailing, I want to get involved in the thankless shours of helping promote/runthe sport, and I do like winning, but by the sounds of all this I am starting to feel like maybe this is the wrong choice.
Alarms are going off to forget the whole thing, buy a keeled c/r and playing phrf , and devote my energies to some other pursuit.

I have been involved for more years than I can count in nfp organistations, but ffs, we have enough politics in our daily lives, remember when you sailed because it was fun? To an outsider, you guys come across (lately) as brawling schoolchildren.

Its just depressing reading all this.

My two cents, I await the flaming,

SB
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Buy a one design. Then there is no argument. Isn't this a Shaw thread? Other good choices depending where you live are Elliott 7, Magic 25, Melges 24 or 32. Most of these have good class racing and you can race SMS as a bonus. The Shaw 650 seems to have some momentum
Handicap racing is always a bit complicated but amongst the frustration you get those days where it all works for you.

[dachopper]

not enough results to know shit yet.

Back on topic ....


It looks like WA will get a decent Easterly this weekend, which should show how the shaws really compare in their current trim in typical wa winds

pics?

ill take a camera

awesome.... need some1 with a GOPRO headcam on that thing to see what it's all about downdwind !!!!

[Evo]

why did these guys win?

What? Blokes World won because the breeze in the last race was less than 10knots, oh and they actually sail it well. IMHO The top two boats of the regatta were BW and PP, the rest at times looked ordinary. As I said earlier in another lifetime, the M24's were not the best sailed with poor spin work yet still consistently did well in results, Business Time, in there defence "only" got 5th approx in the M24 nats yet easily out sailed us on the E7 in the ASBA nats.

BTW, Peow has booze on board for the nats!

yeah sorry Barney...that should have said why did they win "races". my bad

[Scotch Whiskey]

When are you getting yours, Evo?

[Evo]

When are you getting yours, Evo?

hehehe...you really don't play very nice for a girl with eight pussies and three crew mates do you.

as soon as i can....just hope it's all friendly by then. (probably won't be....don't really care). if i knew what was going to happen in the next two years they would have money already. i don't. state of flux would be an understatement

meantime...forget showing yer tits....it's yer pussy we want to see now

gosh i hope i put the right emoticons in there

are people going to travellers instead of bridles btw?

[shaggybaxter]

Shaggy, don't confuse SB Anarchy with actually sailing or racing a Sportsboat

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some here don't sail, or don't sail SB

one other small minority (1) whinge here e but won't get involved in the organisation

do yourself a favour and join up to the ASBA forum for the aussie scene

btw where ru from?

Brisbane, hence the interest in the Shaw. looks like a mountain of fun. Elliot 7/Viper kinda fit the frame too. Will sus out ASBA, thx for the tip.
Budget (thankfully) isn't an issue, more something we can three up,be competitive and enjoy regardless of result. For me, it is a toss up as to the fun of the speed/hysterical wipeouts vs the negatives of bay racing, and limiting the offshore adrenaline kicks.
Mind you, we do an awful lot more round the cans than offshore, hence the SB appeal...............watching OoO or BA or such screaming past on a reach suckers you in every time.....................

[steveromagnino]

Dear shaggy
Much of the worry about handicap racing is gone in one design, but anyhow the shaw is pretty much proven to go fine under sms; a lot of the concern regarding making other boats obsolete maybe will be corrected over time but my guess is at least some of the issue is not having a bunch of 6-8 knot datapoints which is when perhaps some other boats shine a bit more and making the shaw fast is a bit more challenging; sailing in 20 knots its so simple to go fast.

You need to try a shaw first and u will see why they are popular. Also handling them on land is so easy becaause they are light weight with no big heavy things to move around.

With 10 shaws in the water by thisa coming summer, one design is on its way.

Pm me and I will see if we can line u up a ride on one if u don't already have the connections with the current owners.

[Turkey Slapper]

Shaggy, don't confuse SB Anarchy with actually sailing or racing a Sportsboat

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some here don't sail, or don't sail SB

one other small minority (1) whinge here e but won't get involved in the organisation

do yourself a favour and join up to the ASBA forum for the aussie scene

btw where ru from?

What a fuckin turncoat you have become!

You know the drill!

Now your a follower!

Here here

[oregami]

Shaggy,

Great to see you looking at sports boats. You won't regret it!!! They're the way to go, to make an ordinary Saturday into a special one. And while not always evident on SA there is good camaraderie among sailors of all designs. You've got some great boats on your list and will be happy with any of them.

The Viper 640 is definitely worth a look at. There are eight of them in Australia now. (all onthe west coast) We are now looking at regattas on the east coast to get them seen over east. The boat is performing well against all the sportsboats on the west coast (T750's and 7's, E 7's and two Shaw 650's,et al) They have won the last two sports boat regattas on the west coast on SMS.

No ifs or buts, the Viper 640 is a one design. They're an international one design class and if you're into it, there are some fantastic, fun regattas in the US – Charlston Raceweek, Miami Race week, New Orleans, Mardi Gras, Race week.

They only need three crew - always good with people being busy and not being able to commit all the time.

You're a lucky bugger that the budget is not a worry - wish I had that problem. But the price of the Viper is the clincher for lots of people – a Viper is from $36,000 including Harken gear, trailer, sails and boat cover. Hard to beat the boat for that price.... Better to keep the money in your pocket than someone else's.

Pm me if you can get to WA and we'd love to show you the advantages of the Viper.

Good luck with your boat hunting. Whichever of the three boats you pick, you should have a great time in an expanding,exciting area of sailing.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Viper

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[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

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[steveromagnino]

Word. All the sportsboats are great fun. 3 man or 4, new or 2nd hand,heavy or light they are all fun.

Being a Shaw thread and given that I considered a bunch of boats before buying a shaw myselfI am obviously biased but I reckon try sailing them all and then pick the style of boat that matches u best. That's how most of the shaw owners ended up with them.

Btw its a non issue to race a shaw with 3 ppl; 3 big ppl is perfect.... But 4 can be quicker upwind in breeze.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Didnt get to get too many pics of the Shaw today. They started 5 minutes before us and it took us until the final windward leg to get past them and at that time they were on the other side of the river.

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[oregami]

Great pictures of some heavy weather sailing this afternoon Ohf Shore. Some serious wind.
Did you get any of Grahme Monkhouse who appears to have finished second in his Viper Hissteria on handicap this arvo??


SOPYC Sports boat results 9/04/11results
Over line Handicap

1st Over the Line 1st Zooloft
2nd Zooloft 2nd Hissteria
3rd Octopussy 3rd Smoke on the water
4th Hissteria 4th Keeled Over
5th Keeled over 5th Over the Line
6th Connected 6th Connected

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Sorry mate that's all I really have. I was a bit occupied most of the day.

[Scotch Whiskey]

Great day on the water yesterday. Heavy breeze - we needed another 100kg on the side for up hill.

Monkey had a blinder, as did Zoloft.

Great fun after the race with the flying 15 challenge. What a great concept. Congrats to mike, Skid and ohf for placing for the SB fleet. Maybe next time the SBs can host a similar event. .

Evo, just commit!

[lickety-split]

Shaggy, don't confuse SB Anarchy with actually sailing or racing a Sportsboat

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some here don't sail, or don't sail SB

one other small minority (1) whinge here e but won't get involved in the organisation

do yourself a favour and join up to the ASBA forum for the aussie scene

btw where ru from?

Brisbane, hence the interest in the Shaw. looks like a mountain of fun. Elliot 7/Viper kinda fit the frame too. Will sus out ASBA, thx for the tip.
Budget (thankfully) isn't an issue, more something we can three up,be competitive and enjoy regardless of result. For me, it is a toss up as to the fun of the speed/hysterical wipeouts vs the negatives of bay racing, and limiting the offshore adrenaline kicks.
Mind you, we do an awful lot more round the cans than offshore, hence the SB appeal...............watching OoO or BA or such screaming past on a reach suckers you in every time.....................

Shaggy,
We have a solid association, with passionate members/owners.
I hope you purchase a sports boat and look at coming to tassie in easter 2012 for the ASBA Nationals. We are in the throws of getting boats across the strait for cheap.
If you want to ask some serious Qs head over to asba.org.au forums and get a no shit answer.

Slapper, you are out of touch dude.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Great day on the water yesterday. Heavy breeze - we needed another 100kg on the side for up hill.

Monkey had a blinder, as did Zoloft.

Great fun after the race with the flying 15 challenge. What a great concept. Congrats to mike, Skid and ohf for placing for the SB fleet. Maybe next time the SBs can host a similar event. .

Evo, just commit!

Inter fleet regatta in sporties sounds like great fun

[Ricky Bobby]

Dear shaggy
Much of the worry about handicap racing is gone in one design, but anyhow the shaw is pretty much proven to go fine under sms; a lot of the concern regarding making other boats obsolete maybe will be corrected over time but my guess is at least some of the issue is not having a bunch of 6-8 knot datapoints which is when perhaps some other boats shine a bit more and making the shaw fast is a bit more challenging; sailing in 20 knots its so simple to go fast.

You need to try a shaw first and u will see why they are popular. Also handling them on land is so easy becaause they are light weight with no big heavy things to move around.

With 10 shaws in the water by thisa coming summer, one design is on its way.

Pm me and I will see if we can line u up a ride on one if u don't already have the connections with the current owners.

Take this approach to buying a boat. A fast boat will always be fast no matter what rating system is involved! buy a boat that is fun to sail no matter who or what you are racing and you will never be disapointed!

Re the code 0, windward leewards we dont because its to hard to run from 0 to spin around marks and we dont race under the wind when we can handle the 0. but offshore when its 20+ miles of upwind in 3-5kts of wind yer we can sail upwind with a code 0

[Feral]

why did these guys win?

Could be in the genetics, breeding or could be the stiff brim terry on mainsheet bloke.

[steveromagnino]

mainsheet guy is definitely hiking the hardest, pity he's the smallest bloke in the crew :-)

Trimmed like this (in terms of heel) in that sort of sea the Shaws go uphill pretty well.

nice looking sails as well :-)

[sea bogan]

mainsheet guy is definitely hiking the hardest, pity he's the smallest bloke in the crew :-)

Trimmed like this (in terms of heel) in that sort of sea the Shaws go uphill pretty well.

nice looking sails as well :-)

hahaha i'm not on the main sheet and i'm also not the smallest by a long way but thats me hiking the hardest 2nd from the front with the wide brim hat on

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[83TER]

mainsheet guy is definitely hiking the hardest, pity he's the smallest bloke in the crew :-)

Trimmed like this (in terms of heel) in that sort of sea the Shaws go uphill pretty well.
nice looking sails as well :-)

hahaha i'm not on the main sheet and i'm also not the smallest by a long way but thats me hiking the hardest 2nd from the front with the wide brim hat on

You never miss a photo oppunity.

[steveromagnino]

In the other shot looked like you were hiking and trimming the main as well.

I had to tell the Perth guys to harden up a bit when there were 2 of us struggling to move the keel/bulb around and described your one man picking up the bulb efforts.

To be fair, I was only lifting like 5kg worth of weight, and leaving the rest to him, so he had room to complain ;-)

That's how we roll in the Shaw fleet; shell out abuse, make other people do the heavy lifting, and wearing some pretty odd hats.

how are you guys finding the jib trimming off the foredeck system? Used to run that on the pornstar, but switched to the off the floor when I redid the deck; the production boats are shown as attached.

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[sea bogan]

yeah trimming on the foredeck has been fine haven't had any problemms with it yet. and 83ter at leats i hiked but i do like big matty's style

[steveromagnino]

Its nice when a plan comes to fruition.

3 Shaw 650s now join the fleet at Ocean Marina, alongside Pornstar, making this Asia's first shaw 650 fleet.

Over next month sea trials and commissioning once the team is back from Samui.

Damn it feels nice to see them here in Thailand.

Pictured is one of the boats just arrived...and the one that's already here.2nd photo is from guy nowell, Sail-world.

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[206]

how many production boats built or in-build now?

must be getting up towards double digits!

[steveromagnino]

8 built and 2 under construction.

Step by step, bit by bit!

Combined with a similar number of home built boats, the fleet is almost 20 boats now.

[(p)Irate]

Shaggy, don't confuse SB Anarchy with actually sailing or racing a Sportsboat

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some here don't sail, or don't sail SB

one other small minority (1) whinge here e but won't get involved in the organisation

do yourself a favour and join up to the ASBA forum for the aussie scene

btw where ru from?

What a fuckin turncoat you have become!

You know the drill!

Now your a follower!

Here here

Hey Slapper, I'll bring my T7 to Airlie this year if you'll bring yours to Hobart for the nationals. Deal?

[steveromagnino]

To keep all the shaw 650 production boat info in a single thread....as per Tim's previous question, regarding prod wall thickness....

Prod length 3850mm
Inner diameter is 90mm; it start at a 4mm wall thickness at one end, and the taper is a Shaw design/C-Tech production
Extension past the bow when extended is more than 3m, so it's not short!

Construction is a tapered C-Tech tube, and it doesn't deflect that much, when compared to an earlier Shaw 650 prod on the pornstar, which used to deflect a lot more and has been recently upgraded to the same spec and length; makes a huge difference!

Anyone (including Tim) who have dealt with C-Tech know what an awesome job they do; there are rigs and there are rigs....I would want nothing else on a production boat as they are simple, strong, and does the job.

A few of the french boats of this size seem to have bob stays on their prods; seemingly really not needed especially given the small sizes of some of the kites, but the load is definitely greatest as you take the boat up higher, so perhaps a reaching kite with a tighter luff is when the prod is going to be working hardest; actually big sail area and driving deep downwind the prod is deflecting a fair bit less. Also they are heavier as well, so maybe that's a reason. The mach 6.5 is an alloy looking prod so instead of using a carbon one, they use a heavier much weaker alloy one, and the bobstay does the work of stopping it bending up.

The other thing is the Shaw doesn't seem to do the big down the mine performances, so again the whole rig takes less strain and the entire boat just goes forward rather than stopping. There's definitely an aspect to the cubed/squared law of performance; Shaw being only 6.5m and usually sailing with a total weight of everyone and all gear onboard still less than 750kg/1700lb means that the strains on most things aren't so great.

To date fingers crossed/touch wood/etc the top speeds of the fleet above 20 knots are done in complete control and pretty simple (can't speak for above 23, I think it might start to get a bit more hairy); no rig failures anywhere yet. It's simple, full carbon (not some mix of carbon rig, different material track, different material spreaders, alloy boom etc etc) and it works.

If you run a code zero or something with a very tight luff, then a bobstay might be useful, but this is not part of the way the class is set up anyhow. Otherwise, the deflection is a bit of a shock the first time you see it, but afterwards you just don't notice it. Too busy dodging the boats you are invariably overtaking at high speed! It is quite common in 20+ knots for us to be sailing lower and a whole lot faster than the boats we race against; after a windward leg a 40 footer might get ahead, but downwind these little babies frigging fly!

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[TimFordi550#87]

Great stuff (and thanks for the heads-up) Steve. Could not agree more about the C-Tech CF product.

You guys must be PSYCHED!!! Go the 8PUSSY!

[Turkey Slapper]

Hey Slapper, I'll bring my T7 to Airlie this year if you'll bring yours to Hobart for the nationals. Deal?

We might just yet, been looking into it!

[steveromagnino]

Always nice to see a write up on the Shaw 650, this one in Sailing magazine.

They are pretty simple to sail; I've only ever raced optimists and formula windsurfers before and had no problems to be making up 5+ min an hour against the fleet of platus here in Thailand within a few months; even today we regularly sail with 2 people new to sailing (as in don't know what each rope is, have not sailed a significant amount in any boat) and we have no problem getting around the track. They are pretty easy to make them go quite fast; bit of a experience definitely helps to make them go REALLY fast (which means top speeds of 23+ knots).

As for the comment on a modest rig, one can only assume Sailing hasn't seen a Thompson or some of the other more outrageous southern hemisphere boats; their rigs tower over a little Shaw.....when it is 25+ knots, the little Shaw rig is more than enough :-)

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[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

Should ask the boys in freo if they want more rag

[Ricky Bobby]

Should ask the boys in freo if they want more rag

sure we do just need a make the keel deeper and add some traps would be sweet/ over sized 18ft skiff:P

[send it 12 skiff]

Should ask the boys in freo if they want more rag

sure we do just need a make the keel deeper and add some traps would be sweet/ over sized 18ft skiff:P

just the traps alone is all the extra you need big skiff it is. Job done.

[barnone]

Amazing boat. I'm in awe of the Shaws and especially the 6.50 as I feel like it's the perfect blend of simplicity meets performance and usability. Maybe I can own one someday.

The real reason I am posting is maybe to get a little advise on sails. The sail setup on your homepage.

http://www.shaw650.com/

Sail num T 4171

That number 2 blade looks incredibly sweet. Our Rocket 22 is setup for light air with a maximized #1 jib. We really need to get a heavy air jib upfront. A jib for 20-30kts range. That can survive day after day on that wind range.

Any suggestions? Looks like forget the roller furl and go full batten. Love the roach on the jib and the lowered hoist + clew off deck.

PM me for a sailmaker that can do this well.

Or any insight into sportboat sail theory for upwind in heavy air would be great.

Thx.

[steveromagnino]

Dear Barnot a one

I am sure our sail maker would be happy to provide some input on what you need; to be honest once you go full jib all the time; you will never go back :_)

Just leave the jib up all the time; improve your gybes and spend a bit more time focused on going fast instead.

We have some pretty talented depth in the Shaw owners (several Volvo racers; multiple leading sail makers) and so even now we see some quite sophisticated sails as there aren't the restrictions like(no aramids, only our brand sails, etc etc)

will PM you

[Rawhide]

How do the custom 650's stack up against the production model? I know a lot depends on the skill of the builder, but do they have the same material specs? if so I would have thought the customs would be lighter.

[Cheesy]

How do the custom 650's stack up against the production model? I know a lot depends on the skill of the builder, but do they have the same material specs? if so I would have thought the customs would be lighter.

The home built ones are wood core, so not the same specs.... heres a good one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/trailersailers/auction-386827702.htm

[dachopper]

looking forward to some video's of the pussy

I can Video if 5's not a crowd..... maybe some screaming eagle .... low

[mattyg]

How do the custom 650's stack up against the production model? I know a lot depends on the skill of the builder, but do they have the same material specs? if so I would have thought the customs would be lighter.

The home built ones are wood core, so not the same specs.... heres a good one

http://www.trademe.c...n-386827702.htm

that is probably the lightest wooden one of them all!

[steveromagnino]

So finally, the first of the Thai boats has hit the water, with a couple more on the way in time for Kings Cup.

The new owner of the all girls team Shaw named it Hello Kitty; in the test sail she slides along pretty well :-)

Next boats to hit the water..it's likely to be the one up here, but then there are 4 in quick succession....2 new boats heading over to Aussie; a new timber boat in Santa Cruz; a new timber boat in Tassie Aussie....and then the last of the Thai ones.

All exciting times. had to give the boat a proper Thai launch....a bit of the old Singha Beer.... a push off the trailer (easy to do with a 350kg boat)....and a tip of the hat to the name of the boat from the boys....

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[GRUMPY]

Noice! Gonna be a bugger for over early but.

They'll know who that is.

[steveromagnino]

hahaha,....yeah could be an issue...however the other Shaw boats, none of them are white either....and the 2 Thompsons neither of them are white either...so there's safety in numbers!

[GRUMPY]

Middle of the line mate. Go the sag

[steveromagnino]

We like sag.....on the other hand we don't like being closed in....(I think I posted these before)...testiment to the strength of C-Tech's carbon rigs; best you can buy in NZ.

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[GRUMPY]

Sometimes 2nd row's good too.

[Kestrahl]

We like sag.....on the other hand we don't like being closed in....(I think I posted these before)...testiment to the strength of C-Tech's carbon rigs; best you can buy in NZ.

That was definitely a interesting situation, one I'm not really keen on being in again but shows how quick the boat is when you end up racing 50fters in IRC-1. And I think we even got a 3rd on IRC in one race.

Some pics of Manic's new rags, its still going strong in the US.

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[Shaw-650]

We like sag.....on the other hand we don't like being closed in....(I think I posted these before)...testiment to the strength of C-Tech's carbon rigs; best you can buy in NZ.

That was definitely a interesting situation, one I'm not really keen on being in again but shows how quick the boat is when you end up racing 50fters in IRC-1. And I think we even got a 3rd on IRC in one race.

Some pics of Manic's new rags, its still going strong in the US.

IRC eh? Where does the rating come in? Might be my only choice given I can't get an AMS and the local handicapper is a CS meaning club racing is relegated to shits and giggles pissing off the establishment.

[steveromagnino]

Pornstar was at 1.069 last year, but that's not factoring in the class length prod and slightly more ballast with the class bulb I reckon it will be around 1.07-1.074, something like that. Running a not fully extended pole will definitely help your IRC rating, but that's a crap way to race it; we only had the short prod because it's taken until now to replace it with a full length one. Also, a class bulb will help you as well; we can fire you down one from up here now as we have a lead mould; much cheaper than before :-)

Actually, this season we have won almost every race we've done in IRC except for the TOG regatta which was subplaning lousy conditions and we suffered in the longer races due to dying breeze; 1 w-L hooked a bag...etc etc. Not our best work.

Over the last few years, we've won although not consistently online/handicap against a Mumm 30, against the platus and the keelers. Passage races are relatively easy pickings as long as there's about the same amount down as up. Windward leewards in more than 15 knots provided you get the upwinds nailed are quite doable; especially against the platus here which really struggle in any breeze up, while going a set 7.5 knots downwind in any wind. Downwinds, obviously, in almost any breeze the Shaw is quick against everything.

Our poor Kings Cup results were really before we knew how to race the boat; things have improved a fair bit since then; also some data errors; we had a mistake in our main measurement for years; we rated 1.082 approx and it dropped to 1.069 when the error was fixed (several regattas we were finishing seconds behind; that would have moved us clear ahead). At one point thanks to Gingerbread registering just behind us at Kings Cup, I had a rating of 1.152 (higher than the P8) thanks to them noting his mainsail on my boat! Things like this happen, I believe issues are with measuring with a ton of sails there; easy to get data wrong.

The boats that might be a challenge are the IRC specific boats in medium conditions; some overweight 2 ton 25 foot corby or something floundering behind you by 30 min, but correcting out in front. Otherwise...the rule isn't perfect but it also cannot allow for those few passage races and a big 2 sail reach or run where the Shaws just can blitz a typical IRC typeform keeler. Windward leewards....tougher but you'd be surprised how well you can go.

[barnone]

We like sag.....on the other hand we don't like being closed in....(I think I posted these before)...testiment to the strength of C-Tech's carbon rigs; best you can buy in NZ.

Amazing sequence.

[steveromagnino]

Bit of Shaw action from last weekend over in Perth, Thanks to the Indecent Haste guys....gives you some idea of how they like to be flat...and actively trimmed. This is in about 14-16 knots and the boat is sliding along pretty effortlessly. Gotta love Perth.

new kites are definitely working well on the Shaws; Hello Kitty spanked the Pornstar last weekend too, lower and same speed; actually beat an IRCed GP42 under IRC, which isn't too shabby in dying breeze.

Anyhow, back to the boyz in Perth

[(p)Irate]

I heard a whisper that someone in Hobart is getting a Shaw 650. Any one know any more?

[lickety-split]

i hope your right

[Ricky Bobby]

ive heard storys of new ones poping up all over the place!! we could have a fair few boats here by easter time....

[steveromagnino]

Well it's always nice to see more good boats out on the water, and the great guys in the Aussie fleet sailing the Shaw 650s now have really helped the popularity of Rob Shaw's designs not just there, but around the world.

[schoonerman]

Awesome video SteveO.

Damn flat water!

[Mambo Kings]

I see that the shaw spin sheets are led all the way aft for a long footed spinnaker.

Over here we have shifted to shorter foots and bigger shoulders which make for equally fast in a straight line but much faster gybing and thus more tactical racing. On the Viper we moved the spin sheet position forward 3 feet. Much easier to dowse as well. Any thoughts re the Shaw....or are you mainly long downwind blasting in handicap racing.?

[Shaw-650]

I see that the shaw spin sheets are led all the way aft for a long footed spinnaker.

Over here we have shifted to shorter foots and bigger shoulders which make for equally fast in a straight line but much faster gybing and thus more tactical racing. On the Viper we moved the spin sheet position forward 3 feet. Much easier to dowse as well. Any thoughts re the Shaw....or are you mainly long downwind blasting in handicap racing.?

The prodder is long enough that we can run bigger chutes and gybe them no problem without coming of the plane in a lot of circumstances. With SMS races being decided on seconds in fleet racing on W/L courses, boat handling is all important. Last thing i want to do is put less sail area on a boat that already has small sails!

[Ricky Bobby]

I see that the shaw spin sheets are led all the way aft for a long footed spinnaker.

Over here we have shifted to shorter foots and bigger shoulders which make for equally fast in a straight line but much faster gybing and thus more tactical racing. On the Viper we moved the spin sheet position forward 3 feet. Much easier to dowse as well. Any thoughts re the Shaw....or are you mainly long downwind blasting in handicap racing.?

The prodder is long enough that we can run bigger chutes and gybe them no problem without coming of the plane in a lot of circumstances. With SMS races being decided on seconds in fleet racing on W/L courses, boat handling is all important. Last thing i want to do is put less sail area on a boat that already has small sails!

what he said^

[steveromagnino]

I see that the shaw spin sheets are led all the way aft for a long footed spinnaker.

Over here we have shifted to shorter foots and bigger shoulders which make for equally fast in a straight line but much faster gybing and thus more tactical racing. On the Viper we moved the spin sheet position forward 3 feet. Much easier to dowse as well. Any thoughts re the Shaw....or are you mainly long downwind blasting in handicap racing.?

I'd agree with the comments of the other Shaw sailors. There are a few things about the Shaw; firstly the shoulders in the kite have always been pretty big and are now pushing close to the maximum size you could fit into the hoist and prod length and still be useable in stronger weather; in windward leewards we would still use the masthead full size kite up to around 25-30 knots and would be sailing very deep and fast like that. The foots are not massive, they are around 7 - 7.5m and the Shaw sail plan is quite ok to make the boat as quick as possible with a maximum size kite which can still be strapped to sail up to a mark or similar.

Also, we run 2 kites, so we have a reaching and a running masthead kite also, and can change between them. The flatter reaching kite around 38sqm is easy to sail high, only goes deep in bigger breeze so would be more like what the Viper probably sails like and yes, so that size and type of kite making it more like a runner helps to add power and keep the boat moving, but we have our 55sqm runner for that application whereas you guys in the Viper are running a single kite on a retrieval system so the mindset is a little different.

In 15+ knots we are able to stay fully planing through rolling gybes (if everything is going right) and so this argument of more tactical racing ...well maybe that's a way to look at it but like windsurfing, planing gybes are one of the fun bits and so good crew work is rewarded as it should be.

First HKA pic is a average size running kite in around 20-22 knots; quick and sailing pretty deep. 2nd pic is opposite angle with the max size running kite in slightly less breeze. Last pic is a reaching kite; you can see just how much less shoulder area the blue kite has. Of course in a windward leeward....area is king. So we max out the shoulder and squeeze plenty into the foot as well.

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[Ricky Bobby]

To sum all that up, its a SPORTS BOAT...... the idea is to go as fast as a 6.5m bost with go wilst still passing the stability rule.

[Scotch Whiskey]

To sum all that up, its a SPORTS BOAT...... the idea is to go as fast as a 6.5m bost with go wilst still passing the stability rule.

What he said!

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

I heard a whisper that someone in Hobart is getting a Shaw 650. Any one know any more?

Yeah SAer Mazere's brother is building one at the moment.

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

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[steveromagnino]

nice new Melbourne based production Shaw 650 belonging to a Victoria Australia IRC hot shot (this is his second ride, 4th if you count his 2 skis and his A31). I think the graphics give away who he is....great to have such a well known sailor choosing a Shaw 6 fiddy (650).

He told me he hated white boats....now I understand what he meant!

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[schoonerman]

Damn fine ride SteveO. Paint is perfect. You guys do that work?

[83TER]

Damn fine ride SteveO. Paint is perfect. You guys do that work?

Looks like its a full vinyl wrap to me ?

[Jetsam]

i heard about a new one today

[Shaw-650]

Damn fine ride SteveO. Paint is perfect. You guys do that work?

Looks like its a full vinyl wrap to me ?

Yep, a wrap, same as the A31.

[Mexican]

nice new Melbourne based production Shaw 650 belonging to a Victoria Australia IRC hot shot (this is his second ride, 4th if you count his 2 skis and his A31). I think the graphics give away who he is....great to have such a well known sailor choosing a Shaw 6 fiddy (650).

He told me he hated white boats....now I understand what he meant!

How is David associated with Audi Penfolds? It seems a bit odd for a ships pilot...

Mex

[steveromagnino]

AFAIK he is sponsored by Audi Penfold for both his boats (A31, Shaw 650). Given his track record in racing and how hard he works to promote sailing I can see why sponsorship would be a good plan.

And yep, it's a sticker, not a paint job.

[schoonerman]

Some of the wraps I've touched have a lot of texture to them. Is this wrap different..ie; completely smooth?

[Melbourne A31]

After all the Xmas/New Year offshore action in Hobart and delivery trips I've finally had time to get the Shaw fully prepped and on the water. A quick blast around Hobsons Bay last Sunday arvo showed the off wind speed potential in 20+ knots. We were only three up but mighty impressed with the ride. Last night's club twilight was a real eye opener. We were a few minutes late for the start 'cause we were sending it & didn't want to drop the 'chute 'til we ran out of runway. Took off after everyone upwind with a No.2 jib on in 18 to 20 knots & big seas & amazingly started sailing through the fleet ( Sydney 32, Adams 10.6's etc.). 'Chute up & we are leading by the time that we get to the leeward mark before holding off an Adams 10 upwind to the finish.
I haven"t come ashore feeling so pumped since racing the A-Class. Absolutely sensational. Hey Kipsan, I'll get the Velocitek & Go Pro organised for some record attempts with verification. We must have been doing mid twenties on Sunday. Just amasing.

[lickety-split]

http://www.pdyc.yach...13 Mid Week.htm

Leading our Midweek series at the moment.

There isnt a day we go sailing on these great boats that you dont come off the water with a grin on your face.

Wish we were at Geelong right now....

[Ricky Bobby]

After all the Xmas/New Year offshore action in Hobart and delivery trips I've finally had time to get the Shaw fully prepped and on the water. A quick blast around Hobsons Bay last Sunday arvo showed the off wind speed potential in 20+ knots. We were only three up but mighty impressed with the ride. Last night's club twilight was a real eye opener. We were a few minutes late for the start 'cause we were sending it & didn't want to drop the 'chute 'til we ran out of runway. Took off after everyone upwind with a No.2 jib on in 18 to 20 knots & big seas & amazingly started sailing through the fleet ( Sydney 32, Adams 10.6's etc.). 'Chute up & we are leading by the time that we get to the leeward mark before holding off an Adams 10 upwind to the finish.
I haven"t come ashore feeling so pumped since racing the A-Class. Absolutely sensational. Hey Kipsan, I'll get the Velocitek & Go Pro organised for some record attempts with verification. We must have been doing mid twenties on Sunday. Just amasing.

nice wright up, sounds like the day we launched the pussy!! pushed off the dock pulled up the kite and sailed out of the pens then went for a blast doing around 20kts down the river..... almost scared myself a little

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[Headntac]

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Man what a great looking boat,so how smooth is the ride?

[lickety-split]

Amazingly quick, especially uphill for a small boat, nice and wet on a reach..... Oh and did I mention FAST

[Swanno (Ohf Shore)]

[steveromagnino]

team shirts....it must be serious!

[Jerryd]

Looks like it could be hard on the back end ;-). Great sail logo!

[Sandgroper Yachting]

team shirts....it must be serious!

Sponsored event, every competitor got one.
And free food & beer!

[Broomstick]

Looks like it could be hard on the back end ;-). Great sail logo!

I was calling to hike harder and get the bloody boat flat, just a shame we had to get up to the mark or we would have basted off down the course