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#1301 goblew

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:15 PM

Has anyone yet developed a good polar table to use in our racing software?
I ginned one up doing some takeoffs from the IRC chart in Stephanes site, but would like to see if anyone has developed a more accurate and comprehensive table.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:54 AM

Has anyone yet developed a good polar table to use in our racing software?
I ginned one up doing some takeoffs from the IRC chart in Stephanes site, but would like to see if anyone has developed a more accurate and comprehensive table.


You could start from these ORC Club certificates. Note that beat and run are VMG values. You need to calculte BSP by dividing with cos(TWA).
http://noordzeeclub.nl/rating/orc_rms/rms/NEDC9111.PDF
http://noordzeeclub.nl/rating/orc_rms/rms/SUIC2193.PDF

Also the sails may be different from yours.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:37 AM


Has anyone yet developed a good polar table to use in our racing software?
I ginned one up doing some takeoffs from the IRC chart in Stephanes site, but would like to see if anyone has developed a more accurate and comprehensive table.


You could start from these ORC Club certificates. Note that beat and run are VMG values. You need to calculte BSP by dividing with cos(TWA).
http://noordzeeclub.nl/rating/orc_rms/rms/NEDC9111.PDF
http://noordzeeclub.nl/rating/orc_rms/rms/SUIC2193.PDF

Also the sails may be different from yours.

and sailing in fresh water!
thanks

#1304 Blur

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:41 PM

A gallery for us that are waiting (for the season, the next race or a new boat)

J/111 Gallery on Pinterest

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:03 PM

Thank you again Peter for these pics....WIthin the next month we are racing on it!
Cheers
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#1306 J111LeJouetStephane

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:51 AM

Minimum, 10 J111 from 6 nations racing in 3 weeks during Spi Ouest France in La Trinite
3 French, 3 English, 1 Netherlands, 1 Italian, 1 Belgium, 1 Sweden

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

Minimum, 10 J111 from 6 nations racing in 3 weeks during Spi Ouest France in La Trinite
3 French, 3 English, 1 Netherlands, 1 Italian, 1 Belgium, 1 Sweden

Way cool.

Blur seems to be the last one to splash. Below how it looked earlier this week, but everything seems to be on track... A big puzzle that should come together on march 30: Boat from Les Sables d'Olonne, wheel arrived from Carbonautica in Slovakia, sails from North in Nevada and Sri Llanka will be shipped directly to Vannes, NXR instruments ready at Nexus in Stockholm and some final touches to the running rigging today back home in Gothenburg.

Then a week for rig rune, calibration and hopefully some practice. Will be a steep learning curve.

Another cool thing - we're bringing a "media man" that will shoot video + stills focusing exclusive on the J/111 class. J/boats is providing a RIB for him. So hopefully we'll be able to provide daily wrap-ups and some cool video from the races. Let's just hope for some nice weather.

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#1308 Blur

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:58 PM

For local handicap racing we've decided on either a code 0 (55% mid girth) or a code 1 (65% mid girth).

Would be great to get some input on what's working, range (TWA/TWS), sweetspots and when you get overpowered?

Naturally there's a "rating cost" - but both sails seems to cost the same here (+1%) - code 0 being more versatile, code 1 being bigger.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:58 PM

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Testing the NXR kit in the old boat.

J/111 #69 splashes on friday :D

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:43 AM

This is new? J boats bore me



Why are you here. Hobies are nothing special.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:12 AM

J-111 #68 DJINN - splashed water today!!!!

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:06 PM

J-111 #68 DJINN - splashed water today!!!!

Congratulations. Looked good in the water today. And already some offshore fixes to the rig. Me like!
http://www.blur.se/2012/03/29/j111-blur%C2%B3-nastan-klar

Blur splashes tomorrow afternoon in La Trinite.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:44 PM


J-111 #68 DJINN - splashed water today!!!!

Congratulations. Looked good in the water today. And already some offshore fixes to the rig. Me like!
http://www.blur.se/2012/03/29/j111-blur%C2%B3-nastan-klar

Blur splashes tomorrow afternoon in La Trinite.

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Love the white, my friend. Nice.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:36 PM


J-111 #68 DJINN - splashed water today!!!!

Congratulations. Looked good in the water today. And already some offshore fixes to the rig. Me like!
http://www.blur.se/2012/03/29/j111-blur%C2%B3-nastan-klar

Blur splashes tomorrow afternoon in La Trinite.

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that was a fast build!
Looking forward to watching Spi Ouest - should be very interesting with the number of brand new 111's.

#1315 Blur

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:41 PM

And it floats :D

This is a sweet looking boat!!!

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:42 PM

Really nice looking Peter...How did you manage with them to have your hull without the usual J-waterline?

Here is our DJINN on her way into her 1st bath....

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We have just an epoxy finish. No antifouling...but it's grey. I prefer the BLUR white hull!

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:42 PM

Anyone know if the boats entered are confirmed for Spi.

Andy Hill historically has not been greatly interested in inshore racing, is his boat launched yet ?
J-Dream was racing this weekend in the Solent so unless they are chartering delivery to La Trin looks a bit tight.

Looking at entry list I'm putting my money on the builder racing J-Lance for the win with Le Jouet in second ....

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:08 PM

OJE I understand will be launched beginning of this week and J-Dream is on her way across to France. She left after racing today and with luck will be there for Wednesday. We are really looking forward to racing against other J/111s.




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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:40 AM

Looking at entry list I'm putting my money on the builder racing J-Lance for the win with Le Jouet in second ....

My guess is that J/Dream, Xcentric Ripper and J Lance are the boats to watch. The first two have the most experience so far + Didier always performing well att Spi Ouest. Most of us is new to the boat and will have a steep learning curve.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:23 PM

OJE I understand will be launched beginning of this week and J-Dream is on her way across to France. She left after racing today and with luck will be there for Wednesday. We are really looking forward to racing against other J/111s.

Welcome, I warn you that you are far too nice for this place !

Are you having the boat shipped ? Pretty tight schedule to sail it there based in my experience and the corner can be very nasty upwind at this time of year. Best of luck with it all.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:48 PM


Looking at entry list I'm putting my money on the builder racing J-Lance for the win with Le Jouet in second ....

My guess is that J/Dream, Xcentric Ripper and J Lance are the boats to watch. The first two have the most experience so far + Didier always performing well att Spi Ouest. Most of us is new to the boat and will have a steep learning curve.

Don't mean to pile the pressure on Stefan but he got his boat last year and has sailed Spi many times including winning it 4 times (?) on his 105. Didier is a very good sailor and will have a strong team.

What is the rule on professionals in the 111's ?

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:38 PM

Class rules:

C.3.1 LIMITATIONS ON THE CREW
(a) The crew shall be Group 1 Competitors and up to one non-Group 1 Competitor, and non-Group 1 competitors of 65 years of age or older. In addition, the crew may include one non-Group 1 Competitor who is a full time employee of J Boats, Inc. or a J Boats dealer or is the J/111 class manager.


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#1323 J111LeJouetStephane

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

there is a new version of J111 Class Rules, and also a French version (for Spi Ouest France race comity)

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:09 AM

Thanks. So I read this as one professional plus a j-boat employee. Also you can have as many pros as you like if they are over 65, not seen anything like that before !

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:43 PM

As predicted; J-dream, J Lance and Xcentric Ripper in front...

We managed to lead at the windward mark both in race 1 and 3, but to many fuck-ups.
We'll get the hang of it soon.



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Posted 07 April 2012 - 03:49 AM

Is it possible to have too much white on a hull?

Yes.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 06:48 AM

+ some photos @ http://www.blur.se/2...st-2012-fredag/

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:01 AM

Thanks Blur - nice video !

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 03:32 PM


Is it possible to have too much white on a hull?

Yes.


That was my concern as well (J/111 #4). One reason why I picked the black powder coated stanchions, dark bottom and boot stripe. Helps some, still very white.

#1330 Blur

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:48 PM



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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

Nice videos, thanks for posting them.

The OD racing looks fantastic.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:39 AM



Thanks for the videos! I wish I could justify a 111 for our inland lake.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:44 AM

Great videos. That's how OTW reporting should be done.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:43 AM

what's the OD rule on jibs? I noticed some were getting furled, some were getting dropped and Blur left his up. Is one faster then the other beyond being able to use horizontal battens if you drop it to the deck.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 05:43 AM



Anyone want to plug those to the Ed for some front page coverage?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

thanks for the videos Blur- see you on the race course shortly.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:02 PM



Anyone want to plug those to the Ed for some front page coverage?


Great set on the 4 boat mark rounding, popped nice and firm!

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:06 AM



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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:08 PM

These are great videos Blur, both in quality, how they were edited, and especially the subject matter (and scenery). It looks like the J-111 class had a great competition.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Thanks for the videos Blur, a lot of effort putting them together.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:15 PM

Thank you Stefan and Blur - these videos are fantastic. The racing was brilliant and close and thoroughly enjoyable, as were the parties each evening! Looking forward to seeing you out on the water.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:45 AM

Great videos, thanks! Nice wipe out at 1:25, I saw it start to go and started having flashbacks to a couple unfortunate episodes we've had on Velocity. Nice recovery though!

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:43 AM

great videos. interesting to see different boathandling tactics, sail trim, etc. Thanks for putting these together.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:32 AM



And finally, after the last race we popped the kite and went back to La TriinitÚ Sur Mer in style. Another +15 knots ride in medium breeze. Laughing all the way until we ended up in the 115 boat J/80 fleet and had to take it down. Later David, our bowman, found a jellyfish in the jib :D

Now the boat is on a trailer to northern Germany, where we'll cruise the last 200 miles from Kappeln to Gothenburg. We're hoping for a southwesterly as we need to practice our downwind skills...

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:54 PM



And finally, after the last race we popped the kite and went back to La TriinitÚ Sur Mer in style. Another +15 knots ride in medium breeze. Laughing all the way until we ended up in the 115 boat J/80 fleet and had to take it down. Later David, our bowman, found a jellyfish in the jib :D

Now the boat is on a trailer to northern Germany, where we'll cruise the last 200 miles from Kappeln to Gothenburg. We're hoping for a southwesterly as we need to practice our downwind skills...


Surprising the amount of pole deflection under load.

Thanks for the videos.... Always first class!

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:30 PM

Really liked the looks of that.

I note you did not need to put everyone in the back of the boat.

Will that pain in the butt technique be necessary when the wind builds further? As in M32?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:57 PM

Really liked the looks of that.

I note you did not need to put everyone in the back of the boat.

Will that pain in the butt technique be necessary when the wind builds further? As in M32?


Just going home after races :-) Will get people further back next time. Also It's great to experiment with different trim - but yes, she's sensitive to weight placement.

Also, when the wind comes up I think people sail lower to keep the boat flat. Still fast but more controllable. This time we were on the edge just for the camera.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:27 PM

And at last - the photo gallery:



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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

And at last - the photo gallery:



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New boat looks great Blur, and thanks for all the updates on Spi Quest, hope we see the same type of class racing in the US this year.

I'm curious why you went for the 3di over the standard class carbon/aramid sails. Any significant advantage to the standard class kit? Assume the 3di's are already class approved.

Seems like every boat was sporting a different sail choice.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:21 PM

I'm curious why you went for the 3di over the standard class carbon/aramid sails. Any significant advantage to the standard class kit? Assume the 3di's are already class approved.

Places 1-2-3-6 had North, other were different French sailmakers and Doyle (the original demo sails from NZL1).

We went with 3Di for the J/109 as one of the first boats in Sweden. Then it was a gamble, because we (or North) didn't know anything about the lifecycle and wear & tear on an amateur boat. But after two very active seasons the're still in extremely good shape.

Especially for a medium/heavy jib 3Di can't be beat. Holds it's shape throughout the range and is easy to trim. Actually we trim less with 3Di since they don't move - if it's on the spreader mark in 6 knots, it's still there when it increases to 10. Amazing.

The light/medium is a new development in 3Di, so we'll see how it works. The winning boat, J Lance 7, also had a light/medium in 3Di.

I promised to write a couple of articles on the sails, so stay tuned.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:09 AM


Nice Vid peter.

Actually up wind they remind me very much of X35- I guess they are less tender and quicker even relative to waterline up hill , and a better off wind boat I fully expect?

Looks like crewing in a Melges24 for me this year, glad to be back in Assy land!

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:29 AM

Actually up wind they remind me very much of X35- I guess they are less tender and quicker even relative to waterline up hill , and a better off wind boat I fully expect?

They can't be any worse :lol:

Finally a short clip of the delivery from J/Composites to La TrinitÚ Sur mer...



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:25 PM

We only owed Jolou (the 122 from the weekend) 9 sec per hour, so say about 20sec over that race. Seemed they were the same if not slightly quicker upwind but slower down, at least until we put the small kite up and they stuck with their big one.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:03 PM

122s have the edge upwind. Last Cowes week the 111s disappeared as soon as they got planing. Offshore they're a good match till waterline length asserts itself.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 12:47 AM

This past weekend at Charleston Race Week the PHRF B class was won by Ragin', a J/111. Not only did they win their class but they also won the Palmetto Cup for the best boat in the most tightly contested class. Three other 111's, including mine, competed in the class along with J/122s & 130s, a couple 1D35s, an X-41 and a Bene 47.7.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:45 AM

This past weekend at Charleston Race Week the PHRF B class was won by Ragin', a J/111. Not only did they win their class but they also won the Palmetto Cup for the best boat in the most tightly contested class. Three other 111's, including mine, competed in the class along with J/122s & 130s, a couple 1D35s, an X-41 and a Bene 47.7.

Congrats. Just checked out the results. Looks like the 111's represented themselves well. Any insights as to what conditions they did well/not well in compared to the others?

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:34 AM


Actually up wind they remind me very much of X35- I guess they are less tender and quicker even relative to waterline up hill , and a better off wind boat I fully expect?

They can't be any worse :lol:

Finally a short clip of the delivery from J/Composites to La TrinitÚ Sur mer...




I thought these boats were fast?

It was overtaken by everything!!

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:37 PM


This past weekend at Charleston Race Week the PHRF B class was won by Ragin', a J/111. Not only did they win their class but they also won the Palmetto Cup for the best boat in the most tightly contested class. Three other 111's, including mine, competed in the class along with J/122s & 130s, a couple 1D35s, an X-41 and a Bene 47.7.

Congrats. Just checked out the results. Looks like the 111's represented themselves well. Any insights as to what conditions they did well/not well in compared to the others?


My boat was not one to judge by, our results were nothing to write home about in all conditions. Conversely, Ragin' was successful in pretty much all conditions out there. Wicked was also having consistent success every day. My general observations were that in the chop with higher winds the bigger boats (X-41 & J/122s) did well vs the 111's and in the lighter stuff the 111's stood out. We saw this last year at CRW as well. Friday was choppy with 10-15kt winds. Saturday was relatively flat with 6-10 dying as the day wore on. Sunday we had big rollers (~6') early and light winds (4-8kts) which flattened out as the weather moved in. You can look at the results to see how that relates to the success of the different designs.

Hopefully next year we'll have enough boats there to have an OD start.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:14 AM

A summary of the J/111 class at Spi Ouest.

Blur is now back home in Gothenburg after a 220 NM transport from Kappeln in Germany where it were trucked. The first 140 NM was solo sailing, mostly with the big runner and Jean Claude (my NKE autopilot) steering. Wonderful!



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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:35 AM

Mentalist solo sailor - well done !

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:08 AM

Some J results for "Tour de Belle ile" 44 Mn 500 Boats, one Start

Name..........Modele.......Time.d.h:m:s.......... # .............Results

JIVARO...........J 133........0d.07:49:10.....FRA 27967......1 IRC1
J Lance 7.......J 111.........0d.08:05:30.....FRA 62...........2 IRC1
Le Jouet........J 111.........0d.08:07:17.....FRA 38225......3 IRC1
Les 4 Vents....J 120.........0d.08:12:29.....FRA 36707
TRIFLE...........J 100........0d.08:12:45.....FRA 143
Jolly Joker......J 122.........0d.08:15:15.....FRA 35971......4 IRC1
BA¤TA 4.........J 109.........0d.08:36:10.....FRA 37405
J crois pas.....J 105..........0d.08:53:25.....FRA 28197......1 IRC3
MISS J..........J 105..........0d.09:29:37.....FRA 28553
Just do it.......J 105..........0d.09:38:25....FRA 35418
BARBOTTE.....J 109..........0d.13:37:18.....FRA 28919
P'TI JIBUS.....J 97............0d.10:31:50.....FRA 37576 Posted Image

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:21 PM

Some J results for "Tour de Belle ile" 44 Mn 500 Boats, one Start

Name..........Modele.......Time.d.h:m:s.......... # .............Results

JIVARO...........J 133........0d.07:49:10.....FRA 27967......1 IRC1
J Lance 7.......J 111.........0d.08:05:30.....FRA 62...........2 IRC1
Le Jouet........J 111.........0d.08:07:17.....FRA 38225......3 IRC1
Les 4 Vents....J 120.........0d.08:12:29.....FRA 36707
TRIFLE...........J 100........0d.08:12:45.....FRA 143
Jolly Joker......J 122.........0d.08:15:15.....FRA 35971......4 IRC1
BA¤TA 4.........J 109.........0d.08:36:10.....FRA 37405
J crois pas.....J 105..........0d.08:53:25.....FRA 28197......1 IRC3
MISS J..........J 105..........0d.09:29:37.....FRA 28553
Just do it.......J 105..........0d.09:38:25....FRA 35418
BARBOTTE.....J 109..........0d.13:37:18.....FRA 28919
P'TI JIBUS.....J 97............0d.10:31:50.....FRA 37576



Impressed with the J/100 taking first. What is class HNB?

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 08:49 PM

it's Handicap National (French)
for example J Boat with HN

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 03:51 PM

TGIF. Just to harass you with some more J/111 media coverage - here's Blur on the cover of Search Magazine, the coolest sailing magazine in Sweden. We're famous for placing mid fleet at our first regatta :D

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 06:20 AM

Looks like your trimmer could keep his weight closer to Centerline and not push on the Leeward stanchion..:P Just Saying is all...:D

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:25 PM

Looks like your trimmer could keep his weight closer to Centerline and not push on the Leeward stanchion..:P Just Saying is all...:D



I know... It must be that the winches are undersized and he needed to get down there for some leverage... :blink:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:41 PM



short video of the keel through the water. nice day on the water on Sunday.



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Posted 16 May 2012 - 11:06 PM

A summary of the J/111 class at Spi Ouest.

Blur is now back home in Gothenburg after a 220 NM transport from Kappeln in Germany where it were trucked. The first 140 NM was solo sailing, mostly with the big runner and Jean Claude (my NKE autopilot) steering. Wonderful!



Just a thought on J Dream, why not Jream with the J logo as the J?

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 08:58 AM


A summary of the J/111 class at Spi Ouest.

Blur is now back home in Gothenburg after a 220 NM transport from Kappeln in Germany where it were trucked. The first 140 NM was solo sailing, mostly with the big runner and Jean Claude (my NKE autopilot) steering. Wonderful!



Just a thought on J Dream, why not Jream with the J logo as the J?

Maybe because they wanted J-Dream? Plus it's kinda hard to change a name you've had for 6 years

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 06:32 PM

J-Dream is the name of their programme, simple. J105, J109 and now the J111.

Jream sounds like a horrible Americanism, you can keep that one.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 04:16 AM

J-Dream is the name of their programme, simple. J105, J109 and now the J111.

Jream sounds like a horrible Americanism, you can keep that one.


No disrespect intended toward J-Dream. I like the boat. ;)

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:23 AM

Vice admirals cup OD at the weekend in the solent had 6 boats - photos courtesy of Fiona Brown, who took lots at the event.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 02:58 PM

Ive got to say, their not pretty boats, something about the rig just looks wrong, I think its the short boom.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 06:23 PM

J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:16 PM

Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:05 PM


Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?

It tells me Bear Hovey was probably sailing with them

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:10 PM



Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?

It tells me Bear Hovey was probably sailing with them



And that is against one that was smashed on rocks the day before and keel wasn't in optimum shape upwind. I know what you are thinking!

Nice show you put on in front of us..did kite survive?


espo, bear wouldn't last a day on that boat

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:19 PM

J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo


I'm thinking it's the crew.


The backstay pump sucks - it needs a Navtec (Mr + Mrs Andiamo know this)
The roller furler upper swivel is fed to the wrong halyard sheave, creating a bad angle for spinning. Add in the jib luff being a tad long initially, and I'm pretty sure the top spinner is toast.

It's difficult when the main halyard clutch slips, the backstay looses pressure or blows out, and the jib won't furl or come down ain't it?

Motor works fine though.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:34 PM


Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?


Sounds like they were Wicked fast.

I'd take Teddo over Bear anytime.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:31 PM




Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?

It tells me Bear Hovey was probably sailing with them



And that is against one that was smashed on rocks the day before and keel wasn't in optimum shape upwind. I know what you are thinking!

Nice show you put on in front of us..did kite survive?


espo, bear wouldn't last a day on that boat



The kite is OK,..... Yea crooked keel, overstands the mark and still makes up their handicap in no time. Time to trade my boat.........

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:00 PM





Do any of you folks sail the 111 against J-122's, and how do you generally match up?

J


We race against one this weekend in a Pursit race. They made up their handicap time in the first 5 miles upwind in a 28 mile course against the whole class.
They even overstood the mark and still managed to catch everone.
What does that tell you?

It tells me Bear Hovey was probably sailing with them



And that is against one that was smashed on rocks the day before and keel wasn't in optimum shape upwind. I know what you are thinking!

Nice show you put on in front of us..did kite survive?


espo, bear wouldn't last a day on that boat



The kite is OK,..... Yea crooked keel, overstands the mark and still makes up their handicap in no time. Time to trade my boat.........


and sailed by a bunch of hooligans mixed with a couple that know what they are doing. They aren't even the best 111 in the area. What's next for you guys?

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Posted 02 June 2012 - 01:41 AM

J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo


Contact the manufacturer on the backstay pump, they have a fix.

We've started to just drop our jib on deck, that works 100% of the time.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:17 PM


J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo


Contact the manufacturer on the backstay pump, they have a fix.

ditto

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:00 PM

So you buy a brand new J-Boat and the solution to problems is to contact the component suppliers ?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:32 AM

So you buy a brand new J-Boat and the solution to problems is to contact the component suppliers ?


If you want you can call your broker who can call J-Boats who can call the builder who calls the component supplier who will fix your shit or you can just call them directly (since their name is on the part) and get it done quickly. It was a warranty job either way.

We broke ours on a 30kt Sunday and wanted to race the following weekend so we thought it'd be better to just get it done but other people can do it whatever way makes them feel comfortable.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:51 PM

hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:17 PM

hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.


McLubed the foil? Get stronger guys?

Did Sailtec suggest the -10? Did you also change to the bigger pump panel?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:50 PM


hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.


McLubed the foil? Get stronger guys?

Did Sailtec suggest the -10? Did you also change to the bigger pump panel?




I confirmed with Jboats that the -10 was within the class rules, then went direct to Sailtec.



hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.


McLubed the foil? Get stronger guys?

Did Sailtec suggest the -10? Did you also change to the bigger pump panel?




I confirmed with Jboats that the -10 was within the class rules, then went direct to Sailtec.




Did not change the pump, yet. Seems to be working just fine with stock pump.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:14 PM



Did Sailtec suggest the -10? Did you also change to the bigger pump panel?




I confirmed with Jboats that the -10 was within the class rules, then went direct to Sailtec.



hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.


McLubed the foil? Get stronger guys?

Did Sailtec suggest the -10? Did you also change to the bigger pump panel?




I confirmed with Jboats that the -10 was within the class rules, then went direct to Sailtec.




Did not change the pump, yet. Seems to be working just fine with stock pump.


Thanks.

One more - did you have to re-splice the backstay (shorten)?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

Yes, we sent it to Hall. They shortened and added a piece of dynema spliced to the thimble because it was to short. The hope is that it will stretch out to the point where the thimble will go through the pin on the ram.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:05 PM

Yes, we sent it to Hall. They shortened and added a piece of dynema spliced to the thimble because it was to short. The hope is that it will stretch out to the point where the thimble will go through the pin on the ram.


Thanks

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:14 AM

hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.

This is a problem. for whatever reason, the foil is under sized for standard size luff tape. My sailmaker (Doyle Detroit) ordered a custom luff tape and I have no problem wirh hoists now.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:16 AM

My sailtec backstay failed as well. Sailtec needs to get it together!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

My sailtec backstay failed as well. Sailtec needs to get it together!


I believe the same thing happened on the 111 that I sail on as well.

Whatever.... it's been fixed. Can't expect perfection.

DG

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:33 AM

J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo

Hi Espo, Sorry for the late response. We have hull #17 in SF Bay. From a time line perspective she was delivered March 2011. We experienced the exact same issues with the Facnor furler and the SailTech backstay pump. With respect to the furler I believe the early systems had an issue with the top spindle. The backstay pump came apart multiple times.

We also experienced issues with the headstay foil and sail luff tape and the backstay.
We assumed there would be some teething issues(new design/new boat and early in the production cycle).

Norman and the boys at Sail California, Alameda were extremely helpful in trouble shooting and solutioning these issues.
They ended up replacing the backstay pump with what appears to an updated design (new panel layout) as well as the Facnor furler. They also replaced the backstay with a shorter (or better preloaded) one. No issues since!

We absolutely love the boat! 4 here on SF Bay now.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:42 AM


hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.

This is a problem. for whatever reason, the foil is under sized for standard size luff tape. My sailmaker (Doyle Detroit) ordered a custom luff tape and I have no problem wirh hoists now.


Sorry, can you define a "Custom Luff tape".. it just sounds like the wrong tape was used in the first place right? What is the Luff foil track size? No matter what the foil should always be measured and samples fitted to double check.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:06 PM


J/111 owners and crew,
I have been doing some sailing here on Western LIS on J/111 Andiamo. We have had issues with our roller furler twice where we had to drop out of races, and now 3 times the backstay pump has fallen apart and we can not put any backstay on. Is anyone else experiencing any of these issues??
Thanks in advance
Espo

Hi Espo, Sorry for the late response. We have hull #17 in SF Bay. From a time line perspective she was delivered March 2011. We experienced the exact same issues with the Facnor furler and the SailTech backstay pump. With respect to the furler I believe the early systems had an issue with the top spindle. The backstay pump came apart multiple times.

We also experienced issues with the headstay foil and sail luff tape and the backstay.
We assumed there would be some teething issues(new design/new boat and early in the production cycle).

Norman and the boys at Sail California, Alameda were extremely helpful in trouble shooting and solutioning these issues.
They ended up replacing the backstay pump with what appears to an updated design (new panel layout) as well as the Facnor furler. They also replaced the backstay with a shorter (or better preloaded) one. No issues since!

We absolutely love the boat! 4 here on SF Bay now.

Thank You. Your response has been forwarded to the owner, very helpful!

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:56 PM



hello all,


Has anyone had problems with the jibs going up with a lot of resistance? We've checked sheaves, luff tape size, halyard routing and it still takes two guys at the mast to get it to full hoist. I don't know what else to check or do at this point.


By the way, I worked with Sailtec to replace the -8 stock ram with the -10. They are great to work with. I always go straight to the part manufacture if they will warranty the part before going to jboats.

This is a problem. for whatever reason, the foil is under sized for standard size luff tape. My sailmaker (Doyle Detroit) ordered a custom luff tape and I have no problem wirh hoists now.


Sorry, can you define a "Custom Luff tape".. it just sounds like the wrong tape was used in the first place right? What is the Luff foil track size? No matter what the foil should always be measured and samples fitted to double check.

The new luff tape was 1mm smaller. The sailmaker did fit samples to the foil initially, but what seemed OK with the sample fit didn't work for the full sail. Perhaps his selection of foil sizes was not as complete as possible, so he may have had to order a new size?




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