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#201 munt

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:56 PM

Interesting that the newer generation of ocean racers such as Sodebo seem to have a very long and pointy main hull and shorter, much less bouyant amas. I like me a big tall bow but the new Irens boats sure seem to work well in the big waters.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

Umm, Sodebo cut both floats off and moved them 80cm forward.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:32 PM

but they still seem to defy the love of buoancy, rather the whole boat being a wave piercing machine. And pardon my non-euro thinking but isn't 80cm a rather insignificant distance on such a vessel?

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:11 PM

80 cm is the difference between flying and not on a Boeing 747. Its the same principal on these boats. Everything Ian has said is exactly spot on-bottom line you need to design the boat with the foils in mind and "minor" changes like beam placement, foil placement etc. can translate into big gains or big fails, no matter the size of the boat in question.

Any new 85SR's coming to the NE?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:36 PM

Eric,

If you want to the know the price of any Farrier Trimaran or Catamaran from www.multihullsdirect.com, simply send them an enquiry and Michael will send you back a firm price within 24 hours.


very nice, like the slightly reversed bows

so thom

with the sale of plans stopped, if you want an f85sr

you have to buy it from an approved builder

the big ?

so what's it costing you

ps looking at the pics, something mysterious seems to have been blurred out in the background of 2 of them...


i used the email inquiry part of their webpage to ask about the ex-factory cost of the F85SR kit a week ago.....

should i ask again?

#206 Ian Farrier

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:44 AM

i used the email inquiry part of their webpage to ask about the ex-factory cost of the F85SR kit a week ago.....

should i ask again?


Yes, there is no record of an enquiry, but there have been some web site changes/interruptions over the past week. So try again, or send the enquiry directly to info@multihullsdirect.com

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 03:18 AM

^
got it now

thanks Michael, Ian

grist for the mind mill

#208 Vincent DePillis

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

Glynn Thomas is expecting his F85 to splash in November. Will it be the first?

Glynn, what are you doing in terms of sails?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:08 AM

Glynn Thomas is expecting his F85 to splash in November. Will it be the first?

Glynn, what are you doing in terms of sails?

Vince


The sails will be coming from Hyde Sails. They have a production loft in Cebu, Philippines, which means a fairly quick turn around.

To start off with, the boat will be coming with a main, headsail and screecher. These are all being ordered by Multihullsdirect. It could have come with a Spinaker, but I dropped this off the list as I have enough to play with to start off.

Cheers
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:38 PM

is there a furling boom option for the boat?

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

is there a furling boom option for the boat?


Yes, it is an option, but not included in the initial plans. However, it is now done, and I will be sending it out to all builders.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

After all these months, my F-85 is finally taking shape. It is great to see it with the floats on and I am now starting to appreciate all the outdoor room it comes with. The cabin is a little cramped, but thats the type of boat I wanted so I am not complaining.

Anyway, Christmas has now got in the way of launching the first F-85 in 2012. Whilst it would be great to be sailing it over Christmas, my annual leave will get in the way, so first sailing photo's are now expected in January. I can't blame multihulls direct for the late delivery, the fact was the design was only fully complete in September and some parts have been a little harder to source than expected.

Hope you enjoy the photo's.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:20 PM

nice! but the white's a bit boring. Are you going to really need the 4 winches?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:16 PM

nice! but the white's a bit boring. Are you going to really need the 4 winches?


He'll need all 4. Spinnaker/Jib and Screecher/Jib combos flying at the same time are the norm. It's a good looking boat. Congratulations!

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 04:28 AM

nice! but the white's a bit boring. Are you going to really need the 4 winches?


I wanted to paint the boat British Racing Green, as per my profile picture, but was advised against it. Whilst white is boring, no one will dislike a boat because it is white. It is also the "coolest" colour for the tropics as most of the heat is reflected. Even boats with only a slight colour tint are hotter to touch.

I am thinking of getting the hulls wrapped with large vinyl stickers. These seems to be the latest fad these days and if the next owner doesn't like it, they can always be peeled off. I will do this after the initial launching and further research.

As for winches, the plans show 4 winches, so I thought best to do as per the plans. I am sure they will be put to some use.

Cheers
Glynn

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:58 AM


nice! but the white's a bit boring. Are you going to really need the 4 winches?


I wanted to paint the boat British Racing Green, as per my profile picture, but was advised against it. Whilst white is boring, no one will dislike a boat because it is white. It is also the "coolest" colour for the tropics as most of the heat is reflected. Even boats with only a slight colour tint are hotter to touch.

I am thinking of getting the hulls wrapped with large vinyl stickers. These seems to be the latest fad these days and if the next owner doesn't like it, they can always be peeled off. I will do this after the initial launching and further research.

As for winches, the plans show 4 winches, so I thought best to do as per the plans. I am sure they will be put to some use.

Cheers
Glynn


Looks bloody nice. You'll find a use for those winches racing. Can't wait to see how she goes..............

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

"I am thinking of getting the hulls wrapped with large vinyl stickers. These seems to be the latest fad these days and if the next owner doesn't like it, they can always be peeled off. I will do this after the initial launching and further research."

Oh dear.

Glynn, just because Luna Rossa has done it does NOT mean you should do it. They are ITALIAN. You are not.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:23 AM

Malice the Nacra 36c is all done in vinyl. Great for repairs to as you just have to replace a sticker not try an re-do fancy paint work.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Yeah you can do sick dragons and snakes like those Pescott cats in Thailand :lol:

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

I now have a folding trimaran. It folds effortlessly, and for those interested, the folded beam is 2.480m, exactly where is should be. A bit of padding between the floats and main hull at it will still being with the legal road width in most locations.

I expect first mast raising mid Jan and launching at the end of Jan.

Cheers
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btw, before I get posts asking why I have a 15 hp motor, this is only a template to ensure the outboard support is suitable. I have ordered a Honda 9.9hp long shaft which has yet to arrive.

No sick dragons or snakes yet either.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

very nice Glynn

tell us about the rig

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

tell us about the rig


Eric,

I have a standard 11.3m aluminium mast on order, with roller furling boom. It is 8.5 compliant.

Given how light the boat is and that my trimaran sailing experience is near zero, then this will be enough to scare me for at least the first 5 years. After that maybe I will upgrade to the extra tall carbon fibre mast at 12.6m if I sail in light winds.

Gynn




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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:12 PM

^
thanks, sounds like a reasonable plan

sails to be sourced locally, hongkong, thailand?

just double-reef main and jib to start?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

sails to be sourced locally, hongkong, thailand?

just double-reef main and jib to start?


Sails and nets are being made by Hyde Sails in Cebu, Philippines.

Will definitely be starting with a reefed main.

Glynn

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

I have ordered a Honda 9.9hp long shaft which has yet to arrive.

No sick dragons or snakes yet either.


Phwoar, does anybody make new o/b's with less than 8hp anymore? (the 9.9's and the 8's generally weight same - probably the same motor with a bigger carb) becuz 8hp will be more than enuff for you.

Maybe some ill sea monsters... you're in the part of the world for crazy hull graphics.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

Hi all,

We now write February, and I am sure that I speak for many when I say I am quite eager to hear about first splash and experiences.

Looks like a beautiful build

Best of luck with the launch!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:27 AM

Sorry chaps, but the F-85 has been held up by getting the mast, outboard and other items imported into the Subic Bay Freeport Zone properly with being stung by customs.

If I wanted to go dragon boat racing, I could but I am a bit to lazy for that so until I have a form of propulsion that does not involve repetitive muscle movement, she is going to have to wait on her trolley.

Cheers
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

Great to see a completed boat... now get that thing in the drink!

Progress is still happening with the two local boats...here's an update pic of the foil mold plug I did for NYX's build.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:39 AM

Glynn,
How is it all going?
Any of the outstanding items turning up yet?.
Really looking forward to hearing more about the boat.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:01 AM

Hi,

The mast has finally arrived. I will be up in Subic next weekend to see it standing and start the final punch listing for the boat.

Won't be long now before the first test sail.

Cheers
Glynn
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:59 PM

Have you got an as built weight for the boat?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

That's a long prod... i reckon the other boats are going to fear for their virginity when you come by.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:53 PM

That's a long prod... i reckon the other boats are going to fear for their virginity when you come by.


lol - more importantly, that's a pretty wide angle lens... ^^

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:32 AM


That's a long prod... i reckon the other boats are going to fear for their virginity when you come by.


lol - more importantly, that's a pretty wide angle lens... ^^


The picture was taken on a Canon 10-22 Ultra Wide Angle lens at minimum zoom, but given this is Sailing Anarchy and not a Canon forum I wont go into it.

The prod is standard length, but does add 2m to the length of the boat. It turns my 28 ft boat into a 34 ft long boat.

As for the weight, it has yet to be weighed, but given how easy the boat is moved around the shop, I suspect it is a good light build.

Cheers
Glynn

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:30 AM

I have a few more photos still a way to go, maybe Marley Point next year.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

Still in a dilemma, one centre rudder or two on the floats, any thoughts?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:27 PM

No brainer, if it flies the main hull, x2.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:02 PM

The F85SR only has marginally more sail area than the F-82R ( unless you go for the unlimited version ). Did you often sail the F82 hull out of the water?

 

The centre rudder is quite long. With the curved foils you'll not be pressing down the lee float much. So, even with the centre hull skimming the water, I think you will have plenty rudder in the water.  Anyway, that is my theory so I'm going for the centre rudder.

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

Still in a dilemma, one centre rudder or two on the floats, any thoughts?

 

 

No brainer, if it flies the main hull, x2.

 

Not necessarily true. Many if not most large ocean racing tris fly the mainhull a lot, and only use a single central rudder. 

 

Ama rudders:

More drag (potentially at least in some instances)

More complication  (due to the linkages required and all that.)

More stuff to rig/derig (due to the linkages required and all that.)

Potentially poorer helm feel/tightness (due to the linkages required and all that.)

Fun to put back down if it kicks up. (some sort of gear to do it remotely perhaps, which adds to #2 & 3 above)

And each one has to be large enough and strong enough to do the whole job.

So, more weight.

 

That's a lotta minuses, and not one single plus.

 

Clean and simple seems best - one nice deep blade in a cassette on the mainhull transom.  Proven effective, within easy reach if needed.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:59 AM

I have a 8.5m Folding tri with twin rudders that I race with the 8.5's in Auckland, I will try and add to the debate below:
 
From Oxygen
 
some points: 
 
Not necessarily true. Many if not most large ocean racing tris fly the mainhull a lot, and only use a single central rudder. 
 
*** Which large ocean racing tris have only one rudder - I cannot actually think of any?? Ormas, MOD70's F40 Tris all have twin rudders. 
All full sized 8.5 tri's in the class currently have twin rudders. 
 
Ama rudders:
More drag (potentially at least in some instances) -
 
*** as you can guarantee the rudders will be fully immersed then you can make them smaller than a big single one which comes in and out of the water. 
If you get the main hull out then drag significantly less. Side note: Main hull flying more a factor of float volume than sail area - at some 
stage you will have enough wind but if you have pissy little floats and a heavy boat like an F24 you will just bury the float rather than fly 
the hull. I'm not 100% sure flying a hull is terribly fast but skimming the centre hull is and every now and then while skimming you will get a 
gust and the centre hull will lift up a meter or so it would not be nice to have a single rudder when this happens. 
 
More complication  (due to the linkages required and all that.) - 
 
*** yes
More stuff to rig/derig (due to the linkages required and all that.) 
 
*** yes is a major pain but the whole trailer folding thing is a pain so I leave it unfolded at a marina now
 
Potentially poorer helm feel/tightness (due to the linkages required and all that.) 
*** Don't believe so. Usually with a big single rudder you end up with huge long wiggly extensions and I think it is better than that regime
 
 
Fun to put back down if it kicks up. (some sort of gear to do it remotely perhaps, which adds to #2 & 3 above)
*** Yes also great for snagging marks if you round too close angled forward rudder means they will never let go either
 
 
And each one has to be large enough and strong enough to do the whole job.
*** Yes, slightly mitigated by the fact they can be smaller
 
So, more weight.
*** Yes 
 
 
That's a lotta minuses, and not one single plus.
*** The plus is you can keep pushing hard (i.e what happens when racing or you will loose) without going out of control at high speed - 
the F85 floats are big enough (from what Ian says similar to what I have) that with or without the foils you will get the main hull 
flying (accidental or deliberate) and then things could get really exciting.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:55 AM

I plan on initially having one rudder in the main hull. Later when everything else is sorted I'll add rudders to the floats.

That way I can try one rudder , two rudders and even 3 rudders.

I plan on doing a lot of coastal sailing and redundancy in the steering would not be a bad thing.

But until I actually do it I won't really know what I prefer.

I understand  both Team Vodafone and Team Aus  OMR 60 tris run 3 rudders.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:01 AM

^

so it would seem

 

wonder how voda's mast repair is coming along

 

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:06 PM

Still in a dilemma, one centre rudder or two on the floats, any thoughts?

 

 

>No brainer, if it flies the main hull, x2.

 

Not necessarily true. Many if not most large ocean racing tris fly the mainhull a lot, and only use a single central rudder. 

 

Ama rudders:

More drag (potentially at least in some instances)

More complication  (due to the linkages required and all that.)

More stuff to rig/derig (due to the linkages required and all that.)

Potentially poorer helm feel/tightness (due to the linkages required and all that.)

Fun to put back down if it kicks up. (some sort of gear to do it remotely perhaps, which adds to #2 & 3 above)

And each one has to be large enough and strong enough to do the whole job.

So, more weight.

 

That's a lotta minuses, and not one single plus.

 

Clean and simple seems best - one nice deep blade in a cassette on the mainhull transom.  Proven effective, within easy reach if needed.

 

Biggest positive will be that you'll be able to steer when the main hull breaks out in that random gust at the wrong time.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:47 PM

I only have a little F-24 and I sometimes encounter a swell wavelength and size that leaves me with very little mainhull/rudder in the water, even when reefed fairly conservatively. This usually starts to occur when the sea state is getting to the point where I am steering quite aggressively around the worst waves. If I get a set of these inconvenient waves, the 6-8 inches of rudder left in the water after the first one is inadequate to turn the boat in time for the next wave and the boat ends up getting a pretty hard smack. It can handle it, but I wish I had the control to avoid more of those hits.

 

Wouldn't consider it as a refit, but on a new boat, especially one with substantially higher volume floats than my F-24, I would definitely be pretty interested in figuring out a good system for float rudders.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

I only have a little F-24 and I sometimes encounter a swell wavelength and size that leaves me with very little mainhull/rudder in the water, even when reefed fairly conservatively. This usually starts to occur when the sea state is getting to the point where I am steering quite aggressively around the worst waves. If I get a set of these inconvenient waves, the 6-8 inches of rudder left in the water after the first one is inadequate to turn the boat in time for the next wave and the boat ends up getting a pretty hard smack. It can handle it, but I wish I had the control to avoid more of those hits.

 

Wouldn't consider it as a refit, but on a new boat, especially one with substantially higher volume floats than my F-24, I would definitely be pretty interested in figuring out a good system for float rudders.

The C-24 rudder is a bit shorter than more current designs.  A more efficient section and a little more depth can make a big difference.

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Wouldn't you still have the problem of float rudders sometimes coming out of the water in waves?

 

I reshaped my 30 year old rudder, it was really just a plank with the leading edge rounded and the trailing edge tapered. Ugly.  Made a jig and shaped it carefully to a simple NACA section, no deeper but slightly less chord as a result.  Amazing difference!  Steers more accurately, doesn't stall at low speeds, can tack quicker without so much of that sucking sound coming from back there, and in waves it seems to hold its grip better.  I would like to make a new one and go a bit deeper (and make the whole lot lighter)  but it works well enough I haven't bothered.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:09 PM

My bad, went back and looked around, and all can find do have 3 rudders.   Didn't see any with only 2.

Here's one showing only one - http://www.nigeliren.../FRAME50tri.htm

Sexy boat.

 

Sometimes it doesn't matter where they are, things are just gonna conspire against you...

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*** Which large ocean racing tris have only one rudder - I cannot actually think of any?? Ormas, MOD70's F40 Tris all have twin rudders. 
All full sized 8.5 tri's in the class currently have twin rudders. 


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 05:54 AM

I have the F-22 rudder. Makes no discernable difference to the situation I outlined.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

Wouldn't you still have the problem of float rudders sometimes coming out of the water in waves?

 

How does a trimaran resist capsize from the pressure in the sails? By pushing the leeward ama down into the water. The amas have a much lower heave response amplitude than the main hull, so any action from beam seas is going to tend to throw the boat onto the leeward ama. So yes, the float rudders probably come out of the waves sometimes. But with far less regularity and far less severity than the main hull. 



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

I have just had a great long weekend sailing my F-85SR in Subic Bay. 

 

KatRat was launched on 22nd April, 2013 and was berthed alongside the F-44SC also built by Multihullsdirect.

 

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On Friday, 26th April, we stepped the mast and took her for the first sail. We very quickly knocked up 10 nm with the boat handling very easily.

 

On Saturday, we decided to join the local fun round the buoys race. In Subic, the racing is very fun and easy going as long as the Beneteau First 36.7 gets line honours. Well this Saturday, status quo changed, as we easily out pointed the monohull and took line honours by a couple of minutes, sailing only Jib and Main on a course, which included a long upwind and downwind leg. Most of the talk after the race was about what handicap they will give us, given they know we are relatively inexperienced and didn't even try to raise the screecher or spinnaker.

 

In light to medium breezes, it was great to see how responsive the trimaran is and how it just seems to keep gliding along, even when the breeze drops out to nothing, allowing us to bridge the wind holes that exist all over the bay.

 

On Sunday, we took her out for another short cruise, but enjoying it so much we stayed out for over 3 hours. With only 3 on board it was still effortless and could easily be sailed 2-up. 

 

We keep the boat partially folded in a pen at the moment and we have lots to do to make it easier to head out and return as we seem to spend a lot of time adjusting the rigging and fixing up the nets. We also need to install the rigging for the screecher and spinnaker. Nonetheless, the boat is fun and easy and I can't wait until the 11/12 May for my next weekend on the boat.

 

Overall it is a great boat and I really have to thank the designer, Ian Farrier and the builder, Michael Mallory for a wonderful boat.

 

The biggest challenge now is to get the boat insured, but that is another story.

 

Cheers

Glynn

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Subic Bay, Philippines

 

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:28 PM

Great looking boat. Congratulations.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:48 PM

Thanks for sharing. Great pics. Regards. Nico

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:49 PM

woohoo!



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:46 AM

Nice!



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

Enjoy the heck out of that beautiful new tri!



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

and coming next.....

 

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 11:43 PM

I see it says F-XX on the picture file name... Is it a stretched out 85 with extra long cabin? Or is it based on the 32 ?

Possibly modified for off-shore racing? Looks like an extended bow (similar proportions to IDEC) with a small Aft cockpit setup for single handed sailing? Or maybe the float next to it belongs to another boat?

I've always wondered about how the distance between the tiller/main traveller and cabin top winches would work out single handed for the small cabin R versions...

Tell us more... (after you give us the new pictures of the 22 ;-))



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:49 AM

looks like a cruze...

 

which is no bad thing

 

special order for a transat?



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:09 AM

I see it says F-XX on the picture file name... Is it a stretched out 85 with extra long cabin? Or is it based on the 32 ?

Possibly modified for off-shore racing? Looks like an extended bow (similar proportions to IDEC) with a small Aft cockpit setup for single handed sailing? Or maybe the float next to it belongs to another boat?

I've always wondered about how the distance between the tiller/main traveller and cabin top winches would work out single handed for the small cabin R versions...

Tell us more... (after you give us the new pictures of the 22 ;-))

 

Just a little something extra we have been working on, and much bigger than F-85. More soon.........

 

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Busy on the next production F-22 update right now, with 19 new photos coming.

 

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:20 AM

Ok, it looks really big from that angle, we just need someone to stand next to it so we have a reference but if these are F-85 floats (they look way to small to match that main hull), then it looks like F-39 caliber...



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:47 AM

It looks like a new ( semi production by multihulls direct ?) version of the F-32, Ian allready mentioned something in the Cruze 970 topic on this forum. There's a picture there as well, although the cabin looks like it has been extended aft on this boat, leaving a short cockpit.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

The floats are a good 1.5 m longer than my F-85 floats and they look huge. The fairing has already commenced on the floats. (It is just the angle of the picture that's makes them looks small.) The F-XX is an aft cabin version. I won't give away any more secrets until Ian officially announces it.

My F-85SR is going well. Last weekend I was sailing 2-up with my brother in law who has only sailed twice in his entire life. With just Jib and Main we beat at 45ft racing Monohull and the Beneteau 36.7 over the line by 8 mins for a 100 minute race. Top speed in 15knots of wind was 12.5 knots. Got first and fastest, but was promised that my handicap will be adjusted before next race.

The screeches is now rigged on its furler, so hopefully we can beat that record again this weekend.

Cheers
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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:02 PM

It might be a good idea to give one of the faster monos your camera before the start and ask if they can take some sailing pictures early on, before you are out of range...Just so we can all have a look.  



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 03:49 AM

You mean like this.

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We missed the start by about two minutes so had to play catchup.

Before I get any advice about the sail trim, the halyards are slipping in the spinlocks and the side stays are too long so I can't get them any tighter. Just a few more things to organise.

I will get some better photos once this is all sorted and we have the trimaran, looking like the speed machine that it is.

Cheers
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:46 PM

Oy mate! Didn't you get the memo? Multis in SE Asia are supposed to be painted with bright colors and/or dragon motifs.

 

Are those masthead runners I see? I assume they are for resisting the draw on the humongous kite.

 

Could you take some interior pics? Based on the few views the interior looks pretty Gucci.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

looks like a cruze...

 

which is no bad thing

 

special order for a transat?

OMG I had a foul week and thought I would enjoy the comfort of the evening Anarchy chat after a nice dinner with a mellow red, and then I see someone saying the F-XX (rhymes with dirty tree?) looks like a FUGLY CRUZE!!!!!

 

Beam me up, anyone.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:42 AM

If it's an aft cabin model, then where is the cockpit going to be? It looks like the main cabin is extended until the aft cabin.Or are there going to be seats on top of the aft cabin, like on the CRUZE :P



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:45 AM

You mean like this.

Cheers
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I think a video will be better .... :)



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:29 PM

looks about like mine... with a longer cabin , a little narrower maybe and the floats a little less volume .... somewhat reversed bows

.....hmmmm tasty

 

agree with plywoodboy not at all like the cruze, which reminds me of a pitbull ...  nothing wrong with a pitbull but I like it just a little sleeker up front ...

 

time will tell .... exiting times for sure

 

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:59 AM

Well it is official the F-XX is an F-33.

http://www.f-boat.co.../F-33-2013.html

Two hulls are complete so far along with 4 floats.

http://www.multihull...-in-production/

If anyone wants to visit the factory, you are also welcome to come for a sail with me on my F-85SR. Expert sailors that can show me how to sail fast are especially welcome.

Cheers
Glynn
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Posted 03 June 2013 - 08:16 AM

Well it is official the F-XX is an F-33.

http://www.f-boat.co.../F-33-2013.html

Two hulls are complete so far along with 4 floats.

http://www.multihull...-in-production/

If anyone wants to visit the factory, you are also welcome to come for a sail with me on my F-85SR. Expert sailors that can show me how to sail fast are especially welcome.

Cheers
Glynn
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Slip a ticket my way and I will show you .

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:57 PM

Photo from a regatta a couple of weekends back.

 

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The top batten is too short for the pocket, so I can't get any tension on the head of the sail. Also still need to find the best groove for the boat on the different wind angles, but that will come with more sailing time. Have to also try out the spinnaker once I get some capable crew on board.

 

Cheers

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

Thanks Glynn. Looking great. Seeing the windex sticking out in front of the mast top, I was wondering what system you are using for wind instruments.

 

regards

Nico



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:28 PM

I am using a tack tick (now Raymarine) system, with a mast rotation compensator. Problem at the moment is that the main compass is faulty and needs to be returned for repair. I think it has a sticky gimble as it does not rotate at times and gets stuck on some headings. I have spoken with Raymarine and they said send it back.

The app wind speed works fine but the angle does not as the compensator gets confused with the wrong heading from the main compass. I hope it will work properly once the compass is fixed.

The rest of the instruments work fine and the remote is handy to hand around your neck when helping from the floats and can't see the displays.

Cheers
Glynn

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:04 AM

I am using a tack tick (now Raymarine) system, with a mast rotation compensator. Problem at the moment is that the main compass is faulty and needs to be returned for repair. I think it has a sticky gimble as it does not rotate at times and gets stuck on some headings. I have spoken with Raymarine and they said send it back.

The app wind speed works fine but the angle does not as the compensator gets confused with the wrong heading from the main compass. I hope it will work properly once the compass is fixed.

The rest of the instruments work fine and the remote is handy to hand around your neck when helping from the floats and can't see the displays.

Cheers
Glynn

 

We have had the same problem with the TackTick system since I bought it 3 years ago. I sent the whole system in for testing last year, it came back from Raymarine with a test report saying that everything is fine.

 

However, the true and apparent wind speeds and angles were still all messed up and the fluxgate compass is also now stuck.

 

I think the conclusion is obvious that there is something seriously wrong with the Tacktick wind reporter system...

 

MM F-32RX "Sarimanok"



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

My understanding is that Raymarine have reworked the wind vane and are about to ship it. I have a 2008 system (no compensator) and the wind vane began to act up last summer. Sent it in this winter and they encouraged me to wait for a replacement that was different- offered a nice price on replacement. Conversation last week said they hoped to be shipping in a week or two. It fits the same base.

 

I agree the remote is real nice on a multihull. I also have a mount on the side of my sea hood so I can move one instrument so it can be seen while driving from the nets.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:37 PM

Just to kick this thread back alive. Today it is 3 years ago that I stood in an empty shed, with the F-85SR plans in my hands.

 

The shed is not empty anymore :P and in the mean time I've learned a lot about boat building. I've completed the floats(roughly faired), rudder, daggerboard and case, CMM's, bow wing and bow pole assembly. I am about to close up the beams and have just started on the panels for the main hull. I guess this means I am about half way there.

Building the boat is a lot of fun and Ian's plans are easy to follow. Up front I estimated I could put in about 400 hrs a year. At this moment I have just crossed the 1300 hr mark, so I'm on schedule there.

 

With one professionally build F-85SR sailing, it would be interesting to see the progress of the other builders.

 

Nico

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 07:48 PM

Good evening Nico,
Nice website. It sure brings back memories. To me building those beams just seemed to go on and on forever. But once you've launched it, it is amazing how quickly one forgets just how much work was involved in building a Farrier. Not for the faint hearted.
Believe me, when you sheet- in for the first time, it is the sweetest sail of your entire life.
Strength to you.
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:58 AM

Nico,

Interesting that you keep track of your hours.

I don't want to know how much time I spend on it, nor do I want to know how much it is costing.

That way if I'm asked I can say I don't really know,  my better half does not sail.

 

I'm still enjoying the build and just looking at one step at a time.

The CMMs were built first.

The floats are built, faired and undercoated.

The 4 beams are also built, faired and undercoated.  (I agree the beams are a huge amount of work.)

The folding mech is finished and clear anodised.

The first half of the main hull is sitting undercover waiting for me to finish laminating the inside of the second half.

Then the two halves will be joined.

 

I've had a few weeks off recently, because of a bike tour,  but should get back to the boat in a couple of days.

 

Progress can be seen via the following link:

http://www.catsailor...r=217766&page=8



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:05 AM

Guys,

To give you some motivation to keep building, here is a youtube link to a video taken two weeks ago.

It was gusting up to 25 knots (true) on the day so we had a reef in. At the time of the video, it was blowing about 14 knots. We had just rounded the bottom mark onto a reach and took off at about 12knots.

The video is taken from a 35ft racing cruiser.

Hope you enjoy.



Cheers
Glynn
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Btw, resolved the problem with the tack-tick system. The compass had been installed upside down. Once I realised this it has worked perfectly.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:08 AM

Guys,

To give you some motivation to keep building, here is a youtube link to a video taken two weeks ago.

It was gusting up to 25 knots (true) on the day so we had a reef in. At the time of the video, it was blowing about 14 knots. We had just rounded the bottom mark onto a reach and took off at about 12knots.

The video is taken from a 35ft racing cruiser.

Hope you enjoy.



Cheers
Glynn
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Glynn - good to see and thanks for publishing as it is always hard to get photos or video of a new design. We haven't even got good photos or video of the production F-22 sailing yet, with just too many other things having priority at present.

 

I'm sure the other F-85SR builders appreciate seeing what the finished boat looks like, and it will certainly help keep them 'on the job'.

 

Meanwhile, I have just about finished the details for the taller F-85SR unlimited mast (Glynn's boat has the shorter standard mast)

 

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The first 'unlimited' builder is getting close to rigging up, so it was time to get it done. F-85SR builders should receive the drawing in a few days.

 

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:58 AM

Guys,

To give you some motivation to keep building, here is a youtube link to a video taken two weeks ago.
 

 

Thanks Glynn. Nice video shot. How do you like the steering position behind the traveller? I plan to use the remote steering option, so I can sit in front of the traveller as I think it will be easier to reach the jib leads etc. But with the beams and the winches in front it might be less comfortable.

 

Going out sailing is a very good motivator as well. Next to sailing my Nacra 500 I've also sailed on an F-27 and an F-31 a couple of times this year.

 

The first 'unlimited' builder is getting close to rigging up, so it was time to get it done. F-85SR builders should receive the drawing in a few days.

 

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Thanks Ian. Looking forward to the drawings. I think I will go for the standard mast, as I will be single handling the boat a lot, but it will be interesting to see how the unlimited rig sails. It sure looks very tall.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:58 PM

Folks,

Here is another video sailing this weekend. This was taken on the Sunday, while we were having a leasurely sail around Subic Bay. Unfortunately, my battery went flat shortly after so I don't have any high speed video yet. We where sailing upwind in about 10knots of wind.



On the weekend I also had my best race performance to date. On the Saturday it was blowing 15 to 20 knots. On a 12 mile race distance, with both downwind and upwind legs, I finished in 87 mins and averaged over 10 knots for actual distance sailed. My next competitor, a Beneteau First 36.7, with full race crew, finished in 105 mins.

Given only 1 of my crew had sailed with me before, we did not fly the Spinnaker and still tend to chicken out a little on the high speed reaches. As a result I am sure there is still lots of potential on this boat, once I get more confidence.

Nyker, as for steering position, I can sit in front or behind the traveller, depending on how I am feeling. If you look closely, I also have a telescoping tiller extension, which allows me to move out onto the nets or even to the floats, if I need to. If you do go for the remote tiller option, think about where you attach the fine tune. I found there is not enough length to attach it directly to the traveller car, so it is attached to the base of the cockpit.

Cheers
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