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[Tom Ray]

What did the two of you sail on before?

Why do you sail on the M30, if heeling is a PITA?

We've sailed on various cruising boats, Catalinas, Irwins, etc.

We were invited. Like I said, I find it amusing for a while. I think she found it less amusing for a shorter while. I'm guessing she'll decline future racing invitations on that boat. He doesn't torture the crew when in cruise mode.

[austin1972]

My wife (GF at the time) freaked the F out the first time I took her out.
It was windy. Hoisted the main. Whoa....
Unfurled the genoa. WTF???!!!!

Dear, there is a big piece of lead on the bottom that ensures.....Make it stop!!! Stop it! Stop it!
Not fun. Had to douse everything and motor back in which got people pukey.

So, we started racing and that fixed her fear of heeling. Apparently the will to win trumps terror.

I used to enjoy dumping people off the Laser by heeling to 90 and stepping out on to the daggerboard when I was a kid, so I think it's a personal problem.

[boomer]

Used to have fun races when we were kids in El Toros, one leg no rudder, one leg sail backwards, one leg had to roll the boat 360.

[austin1972]

My sailing instructor taught me the trick. I'll just blame her.
Thanks Cindy!

[boomer]

She taught you well

[SpongeDeckSquareFoil]

Newly married or didn't she ever sail before?

It's been a while and she has sailed a fair variety of boats, just never had the experience of looking across the boat and having that be more toward the center of the earth than the horizon. Her reaction to that boat's behavior is the same as mine: life at those angles is just too much of a PITA.

What do you call the vertical part of a cockpit bench that is behind your calves if you are sitting? Whatever it is, he stands on that part to drive the boat, since it's the closest thing to level. I don't mean bracing against it. We all do that. He's standing on it and leaning back against his seat. That's just wrong! Funny for about an hour, but wrong. Beware plumber butt at about 3 minutes...

GoPro's are nice. But a fixed mount on a sailboat fails to capture any true essence.
Gimbals damnit, this video would be a lot better if gimbal-mounted.

[svgreatwhite]

Newly married or didn't she ever sail before?

It's been a while and she has sailed a fair variety of boats, just never had the experience of looking across the boat and having that be more toward the center of the earth than the horizon. Her reaction to that boat's behavior is the same as mine: life at those angles is just too much of a PITA.

What do you call the vertical part of a cockpit bench that is behind your calves if you are sitting? Whatever it is, he stands on that part to drive the boat, since it's the closest thing to level. I don't mean bracing against it. We all do that. He's standing on it and leaning back against his seat. That's just wrong! Funny for about an hour, but wrong. Beware plumber butt at about 3 minutes...

GoPro's are nice. But a fixed mount on a sailboat fails to capture any true essence.
Gimbals damnit, this video would be a lot better if gimbal-mounted.

Absolutly! Like this:
http://www.youtube.c...14&feature=plcp

[Bob Perry]

Why is the guy in the Morgan fumbling with that hiking stick. It looks like it's in the way most of the time.

[boomer]

If he's not going to use it properly sitting on the cockpit coaming, then stow it....as it is,if he keeps using it like that, he's either gonna break it or split the tiller.

[kimbottles]

So the crew is making all kinds of supports for the various items we want to put into the vessel and have stay put.

You know, big heavy things that could cause havoc if they got loose and started to bang around.....

Like batteries......

There will be an 8D and a 4D on each side of the Yanmar Diesel, so we needed a way to keep them level and to keep them secure......

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[kimbottles]

and then there is the fuel tank under the aft (steering) cockpit........

(Bruce made me peel up the peel ply before he would let me take any pictures. Bruce makes me delete any pictures that don't properly show the craftsmanship going into this vessel. I think Bruce is even more proud of this project than I am....good to have a crew that is so vested in the project.)

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[kimbottles]

water tanks under the salon settees.......

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[kimbottles]

we are using webbed straps to hang onto items so we had to have a number of strap holders made.....

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[kimbottles]

what do you do when the chainplates need to extend above and below a structural shelf?

Get permission from the engineer Tim to pierce the shelf.

Note the angle (to be supported by solid G-10 wedges) to match the angle of the lowers to the angle of the swept back spreaders.

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[kimbottles]

template for the sink shelf in the head......

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[boomer]

All those little parts take a lot of time, bet you'll be a happy camper once they're all installed.

Did a double take and closer look at the images, when I read about piercing the shelf.

Now if that were the clamp/shelf as in structural longitudinal timbers that would be a no no.

However a structural shelf that works as a diaphragm is an entirely different matter.

[Paps]

A dont think a diaphragm will be needed Boomer.

[Tom Ray]

If he's not going to use it properly sitting on the cockpit coaming, then stow it....as it is,if he keeps using it like that, he's either gonna break it or split the tiller.

You can't sit on the cockpit coaming at those angles. You can only lean against it, but then where do you stand?

I think he keeps it on the tiller because he has a lock-box for it and he almost always sails alone.

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

[boomer]

If he's not going to use it properly sitting on the cockpit coaming, then stow it....as it is,if he keeps using it like that, he's either gonna break it or split the tiller.

You can't sit on the cockpit coaming at those angles. You can only lean against it, but then where do you stand?

Wanna bet....take a look at the helmsman in Dan's video....though he has toeboards to assist on the cockpit seats, I can assure you many boats don't have those, and helmsmen all over the globe make liberal use of their coamings in such conditions.

[boomer]

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

There could be numerous reasons for a design or a designed engineered change. We keep logs on jobs of such changes, including the change orders, approvals, engineered modification, and an as-built write up and pictures. Some jobs might have only a couple dozen change orders, but more typically change orders could be anywhere from 100-300+ or way more, depending on the size of the project 100-300 change orders would be a drop in the bucket. BTW those are with approved architectural and structural plans on government, state, municipal and port projects. Designed by architectural firms with literally dozens or more architects, structural engineers, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, and draftsman checking and revising till they think they got them all. Then the final drawings go to a third party structural engineering firm for approval and just to cover their ass. They never get them all, there's always what we term, non-constructable items.

Same thing with naval warships.
When I was working on the FFG program for Todd shipyards, there were so many changes in the first three FFG's it would make your head spin.Fortunately I came on board at Todd after the first three were built....and there were still change orders, redesign, re-engineer and so forth.

[Tom Ray]

If he's not going to use it properly sitting on the cockpit coaming, then stow it....as it is,if he keeps using it like that, he's either gonna break it or split the tiller.

You can't sit on the cockpit coaming at those angles. You can only lean against it, but then where do you stand?

Wanna bet....take a look at the helmsman in Dan's video....though he has toeboards to assist on the cockpit seats, I can assure you many boats don't have those, and helmsmen all over the globe make liberal use of their coamings in such conditions.

Three things besides the toe board strike me as different.

First is the angle of heel. Past 45 degrees is a different world, where sitting must become leaning.

Second is the nice, wide, butt-friendly and angled coaming with nonskid.

Last but not least are the double lifelines, set vertical on Whimsy but leaning outboard in Dan's vid. That lower lifeline cable is basically directly above the coaming at "normal" heeling angles on Whimsy, and not very far above it. I have wanted to strangle the person who added it to the boat on numerous occasions, but still don't know who that is. I wish he'd remove it.

[boomer]

Yup...I've got a narrow coaming on both my boats and vertical lifelines. With very little room between the edge of coaming and the lifeline. So that lower and upper lifeline is taking all the pressure of my back, and yes occasionally I have to let my butt go over the edge of the coaming to give my ass some grip. Even an old fart like myself doesn't have a problem with that.

[Joli]

Great video Great White. The J35 is one of my all time favorites, it's just a brutish upwind machine when the breeze is on.

[Joli]

Kim, thanks for all the detail pictures, everything is coming along nicely. Won't be long you'll be putting the lid on the box, then sailing!

[Joli]

If you can't sail backwards how are you going to clear the foils before the race?

Used to have fun races when we were kids in El Toros, one leg no rudder, one leg sail backwards, one leg had to roll the boat 360.

[boomer]

You can't sail backwards?

[Salazar]

and then there is the fuel tank under the aft (steering) cockpit........

Have they decided limber holes through the tank beds aren't needed back here?

[boomer]

A dont think a diaphragm will be needed Boomer.

Edit:From looking at the image it's a diaphragm. In structural engineering a diaphragm is a structural component that transfers lateral loads through in-plane shear stress. Also in structural engineering terms by joining with the two frames, it becomes a diaphragm structure, this happens any time vertical and horizontal structural components that are tied together become a structural unit.

[kimbottles]

All those little parts take a lot of time, bet you'll be a happy camper once they're all installed.

Did a double take and closer look at the images, when I read about piercing the shelf.

Now if that were the clamp/shelf as in structural longitudinal timbers that would be a no no.

However a structural shelf that works as a diaphragm is an entirely different matter.

Not the clamp, Tim would have never let us do that. I check with Tim before we do anything to his structural design. He is very picky about his design for good reason and we want all of that strength he has provided us. Even Bob thinks the structural design is a bit overkill, we like overkill.

[boomer]

Yup...I saw that it was a structural shelf.

Taking advantage of involving a structural engineer in a build is always a wise move.

[kimbottles]

If he's not going to use it properly sitting on the cockpit coaming, then stow it....as it is,if he keeps using it like that, he's either gonna break it or split the tiller.

You can't sit on the cockpit coaming at those angles. You can only lean against it, but then where do you stand?

I think he keeps it on the tiller because he has a lock-box for it and he almost always sails alone.

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

We have expected to pierce that shelf for months, it is just we now got to that place on the page of to do's so we did it.

No biggie, we actually like the effect of the chain plate going through there as it just adds more beef to the structure holding the chain-plate against the strain of the rig. We also decided several months ago to angle them to make the lowers lead into the chain-plate at a much more favorable angle. Tim Ryan at CSR in Seattle suggested that idea and everyone liked it.

[kimbottles]

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

There could be numerous reasons for a design or a designed engineered change. We keep logs on jobs of such changes, including the change orders, approvals, engineered modification, and an as-built write up and pictures. Some jobs might have only a couple dozen change orders, but more typically change orders could be anywhere from 100-300+ or way more, depending on the size of the project 100-300 change orders would be a drop in the bucket. BTW those are with approved architectural and structural plans on government, state, municipal and port projects. Designed by architectural firms with literally dozens or more architects, structural engineers, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, and draftsman checking and revising till they think they got them all. Then the final drawings go to a third party structural engineering firm for approval and just to cover their ass. They never get them all, there's always what we term, non-constructable items.

Same thing with naval warships.
When I was working on the FFG program for Todd shipyards, there were so many changes in the first three FFG's it would make your head spin.Fortunately I came on board at Todd after the first three were built....and there were still change orders, redesign, re-engineer and so forth.

A very nice feature of all of the expertise we have in the amazing group of people working on this project is the fact we get together weekly and discuss all sorts of details and that way we are inputting everyone's knowledge and experience into the build. We make changes along the way when we discover a better way to do something. We have a very collaborative project going here which is made possible by the fact everyone loves Bob's design. Lots of extra effort goes into a project where everyone is so vested in the finished product.

This is a fun project in which to be involved.

[kimbottles]

Kim, thanks for all the detail pictures, everything is coming along nicely. Won't be long you'll be putting the lid on the box, then sailing!

Hope to have the lid on early 2013. At least that was the plan out of yesterday's meeting.

[boomer]

I see a lot of thought and meeting of minds on this project.

Always perfecting and evolving before and during the build is a lot fun and very rewarding for all involved.

[svgreatwhite]

A dont think a diaphragm will be needed Boomer.

Edit:From looking at the image it's a diaphragm. In structural engineering a diaphragm is a structural component that transfers lateral loads through in-plane shear stress. Also in structural engineering terms by joining with the two frames, it becomes a diaphragm structure, this happens any time vertical and horizontal structural components that are tied together become a structural unit.

On the ships I worked on, that would probably be referred to as an intercostal. It is structural, but not continous like a stringer and just bridges between two transverse members and the hull.

[svgreatwhite]

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

Same thing with naval warships.
When I was working on the FFG program for Todd shipyards, there were so many changes in the first three FFG's it would make your head spin.Fortunately I came on board at Todd after the first three were built....and there were still change orders, redesign, re-engineer and so forth.

And that is how the shipyards make their money. Our management was always beating up on us to minimize changes.

[us7070]

will this boat have overlapping headsails?

[Bob Perry]

No overlapping genoas on this boat.

[kimbottles]

will this boat have overlapping headsails?

No!

I hate overlapping head-sails, especially on a vessel that will be single handed or short handed much of the time.

The sail plan has been designed to have plenty of sail area in the Main and jib alone.

We don't need no stinking Genoas.......

[blackjenner]

I love my boat and I really like how she sails but, I have to say this is a good decision. Handling my big genoa is sometimes a hassle, especially getting it to tack past the staysail. I accept it as the price of admission for getting some performance when settled into a tack.

[us7070]

will this boat have overlapping headsails?

No!

I hate overlapping head-sails, especially on a vessel that will be single handed or short handed much of the time.

The sail plan has been designed to have plenty of sail area in the Main and jib alone.

We don't need no stinking Genoas.......

that's what i thought..

so why not have the chainplates go to the hull-deck join, like a Farr 400, or other modern non-overlapping boat, rather than through the deck?

[kimbottles]

will this boat have overlapping headsails?

No!

I hate overlapping head-sails, especially on a vessel that will be single handed or short handed much of the time.

The sail plan has been designed to have plenty of sail area in the Main and jib alone.

We don't need no stinking Genoas.......

that's what i thought..

so why not have the chainplates go to the hull-deck join, like a Farr 400, or other modern non-overlapping boat, rather than through the deck?

Hull deck joint not wide enough to accommodate Chain Plates, and that is not the way Bob and Tim designed it.

[boomer]

And that is how the shipyards make their money. Our management was always beating up on us to minimize changes.

Dan,I believe you know my shipyard history and how I ended up there....for everyone else that would wonder why a pilebuck would go to laying out ships....
My back had been busted up pretty good and had been limping for a while, so with my layout and engineering background, went to Todd Shipyard Seattle to layout ships on the ways for new construction for three and a half years, and another year at Lockhead Shipyard Seattle

I came on board at Todd just before the launching of their seventh Oliver Hazard Perry-class FFG. As originally designed they were 4000 long tons, and the modifications and change orders were at the Navy's request. The hulls on the first two ships flexed considerably during sea trials which resulted in changes to the double bottom, thickness of the keel and double bottom sideshell(plating) and closer spacing of the longitudinals in the web frame/longitudinal construction. There were changes to the rolling keel, skeg and upper side shells,bulbous bow, house, shaft alley and the foundations for the twin gas turbines and the single reduction gear. There were also changes to the house, CCC, and the missle storage and launch room, The final builds resulted in a calculated 4100 long tons.

All these changes were gradual and progressive through the first three ships and continued to a lesser extent through the next five ships. A few of these ships were for the Australian Navy, which resulted in further changes. There were also changes in systems and armament, as well as changes in machinery and equipment in the AMR's (holds>auxilary machinery rooms). My first job, more of a test then anything, was laying out the for the metal letters of the name STARK on the compound curve of the stern. Strange to say I had a funny feeling about that hull, little did I know how that feeling would play out down the road.
http://en.wikipedia...._Stark_(FFG-31)

Also laid out the Australian Navy's FFG's HMAS SYDNEY and HMAS DARWIN , and the USS HALYBURTON....by the spring of1983 I could walk nomal without a limp, and was going to go back to Pilebucking, but Lockheed dangled a carrot and so I laid out on the ways,two of Whidbey Island Class Landing Ship Docks, the USS Whidbey Island and the USS Germantown.

Then I went back to Pilebucking and making the big bucks.

[Bob Perry]

70:
To do that we would have had to have used CF chainplates and cut into the strip planking for a fair transition. Don;t forget this is a timber, strip planked hull. We chose to go more conventional detail rather than have the school do such a crucial detail for the first time on this boat. Of course we could have gone with external chainplates but they would have looked like shit on this boat. We are using the Farr 40 rig and the chainplate locations we now have are consistant with that rigs dims. It's not that we don't consider those details and options. We do and we weigh the benefits and challenges to each approach then decide as a group the way to move forward so that each member of the group is confident in the outcome.

[kimbottles]

70:
To do that we would have had to have used CF chainplates and cut into the strip planking for a fair transition. Don;t forget this is a timber, strip planked hull. We chose to go more conventional detail rather than have the school do such a crucial detail for the first time on this boat. Of course we could have gone with external chainplates but they would have looked like shit on this boat. We are using the Farr 40 rig and the chainplate locations we now have are consistant with that rigs dims. It's not that we don't consider those details and options. We do and we weigh the benefits and challenges to each approach then decide as a group the way to move forward so that each member of the group is confident in the outcome.

Yeah, what he said.

(Remember, the hull deck joint is made up of triangle pieces of clear Douglas Fir, I don't think cutting into it would be as wise as the arrangement we settled on for this project.)

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[Jose Carumba]

Back on topic, Kim, did you really get this far without realizing a chainplate was going to have to go through that shelf? I thought that stuff was all figured out long before anything was built.

There could be numerous reasons for a design or a designed engineered change. We keep logs on jobs of such changes, including the change orders, approvals, engineered modification, and an as-built write up and pictures. Some jobs might have only a couple dozen change orders, but more typically change orders could be anywhere from 100-300+ or way more, depending on the size of the project 100-300 change orders would be a drop in the bucket. BTW those are with approved architectural and structural plans on government, state, municipal and port projects. Designed by architectural firms with literally dozens or more architects, structural engineers, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, and draftsman checking and revising till they think they got them all. Then the final drawings go to a third party structural engineering firm for approval and just to cover their ass. They never get them all, there's always what we term, non-constructable items.

Same thing with naval warships.
When I was working on the FFG program for Todd shipyards, there were so many changes in the first three FFG's it would make your head spin.Fortunately I came on board at Todd after the first three were built....and there were still change orders, redesign, re-engineer and so forth.

While I was working on the Coast Guard WMEC program years ago we had a one sheet drawing with three additional sheets for the revision column. I think the revisions went all the way to PP or QQ!

[boomer]

Tell me about it, the revision history was jaw dropping....

The offsets book about floored me when I got my first copy, 370+ pages in fine print and about 7" X 10", with over a 150 dimensions per page.

I still have my first copy, kept it just because....and wanted to show it to my grandchildren one day.

Good thang I had keen eyesight.

[Silverbullet]

Absolutly! Like this:

Do you have to bribe your crew to get them to hike out?

Which gimbals do you use with your camera?

[svgreatwhite]

Absolutly! Like this:

Do you have to bribe your crew to get them to hike out?

Which gimbals do you use with your camera?

Bribe? Sure, hike out, boat goes faster, get to the finish sooner, party longer!

Gimbal? DIY, plastic plumbing parts, scrap starboard, scrap aluminum bar stock and other scrap material from my shop.

[svgreatwhite]

The offsets book about floored me when I got my first copy, 370+ pages in fine print and about 7" X 10", with over a 150 dimensions per page.

You should see the table of offsets book for an aircraft carrier.

[boomer]

I could well imagine!

I'd have to dig out that table of offsets book....we're doing a remodel,and all the books from the library are boxed up, in about 20+ boxes.

150 per page was a conservative number, it was actually closer to 300, now that I think about it....that was a long time ago.

[Jose Carumba]

We no longer use or produce a table of offsets since all the hull design, fairing, lofting and in our case mold tooling, is done electronically. Does anyone still produce one these days?

[Bob Perry]

I remember driving to Tacoma on my 69'er project. I had with me the full sized lofted patterns on mylar. I got about half way there when it occurred to me tthat I had forgotten the table of offsets, "Fuck!"
Then I realized that the last thing I needed to do was introduxce offsets when they had full size patterns. Today, full size patterns are obsolete.

We don't need no steenkin' offsets.

[us7070]

70:
To do that we would have had to have used CF chainplates and cut into the strip planking for a fair transition. Don;t forget this is a timber, strip planked hull. We chose to go more conventional detail rather than have the school do such a crucial detail for the first time on this boat. Of course we could have gone with external chainplates but they would have looked like shit on this boat. We are using the Farr 40 rig and the chainplate locations we now have are consistant with that rigs dims. It's not that we don't consider those details and options. We do and we weigh the benefits and challenges to each approach then decide as a group the way to move forward so that each member of the group is confident in the outcome.

i understand.

[austin1972]

Hmm. It's Tuesday and the Sliver thread is creeping towards page 2.
Bump.

[kimbottles]

Hmm. It's Tuesday and the Sliver thread is creeping towards page 2.
Bump.

Kim is very ill in bed with a fever of as much as 103. Don't ever remember being this sick before.

Hope to be OK next Monday when Bob is going with me to see the project.

[austin1972]

Yikes! Get better. Chicken noodle soup for you -

[Jose Carumba]

103? Holy smokes. Get better soon!

[boomer]

Yikes! Get better. Chicken noodle soup for you -

+1

103? Holy smokes. Get better soon!

Indeed!

[kimbottles]

Yikes! Get better. Chicken noodle soup for you -

That looks exactly like what SWMBO served me for lunch today!

[Ishmael]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

[Bob Perry]

Me?
This Monday?

I knew that.
See you at the yard Kim. I'll drive this time as I will have my two faithful friends with me.

I hope you are well by then and not contagious.

[WHL]

Hmm. It's Tuesday and the Sliver thread is creeping towards page 2.
Bump.

Kim is very ill in bed with a fever of as much as 103. Don't ever remember being this sick before.

Hope to be OK next Monday when Bob is going with me to see the project.

Some nasty bugs have been going around lately. Get well soon Kim.

[Innocent Bystander]

Get well Kim.

[kimbottles]

Me?
This Monday?

I knew that.
See you at the yard Kim. I'll drive this time as I will have my two faithful friends with me.

I hope you are well by then and not contagious.

Yeah, I better be well by then, Bruce Hedrick is suppose to meet us there, now we just have to get Boomer to show up too.

[kimbottles]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

I have been using single malt, maybe it should be rum?

[familysailor]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

I have been using single malt, maybe it should be rum?

Think about it....Single malt is good for serious thought, contemplating world issues, contemplating deep philosophies.
Rum is cheerful, humorous, and slaphappy good times.

Which do you need to focus on when you're feeling ill?

[kimbottles]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

I have been using single malt, maybe it should be rum?

Think about it....Single malt is good for serious thought, contemplating world issues, contemplating deep philosophies.
Rum is cheerful, humorous, and slaphappy good times.

Which do you need to focus on when you're feeling ill?

Good point

[familysailor]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

I have been using single malt, maybe it should be rum?

Think about it....Single malt is good for serious thought, contemplating world issues, contemplating deep philosophies.
Rum is cheerful, humorous, and slaphappy good times.

Which do you need to focus on when you're feeling ill?

Good point

Yeah. I usually comb my hair so you can't see it.......

[Ishmael]

You obviously need more rum in your diet.

I have been using single malt, maybe it should be rum?

Dr. Ish prescribes a hot toddy.

3 ounces dark rum (or to suit taste)
4 tablespoons liquid honey
3 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1/2 piece lemon rind
1/16 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
1 -4 inch cinnamon stick (whole)
6 -8 ounces boiling water

Directions:

1
To a large heavy duty cup or glass, add rum, honey, lemon juice, 1/2 lemon rind, and nutmeg. Stand cinnamon stick in the cup.
2
Pour the boiling water and stir well to blend.
3
Adjust honey to suit your sweetness and adjust lemon juice to suit your taste.
4
Sip slowly and enjoy.

Googled at: http://www.food.com/...369?oc=linkback

[austin1972]

Me?
This Monday?

I knew that.
See you at the yard Kim. I'll drive this time as I will have my two faithful friends with me.

I hope you are well by then and not contagious.

Kim will be fine. He just has to eat chicken noodle soup like it's going out of style.

Once ya feel better Kim, you can move to the grilled cheese and tomato soup!
Yum.

[Salazar]

I'm with Ish on the Rum toddy Recipe. My wife swears by them. Get well Kim!

This is the one we use:

Ingredients:

1 cup of hot water

1 ounce of dark rum

2 teaspoons of brown sugar

1 teaspoon of creamed butter

2 teaspoons of freshly-squeezed lemon juice

grated nutmeg

dash of powder cinnamon

dash of powdered ginger

hint of powdered cloves

Method:

Mix your dry and wet ingredients (except the hot water and rum) into a paste. Pour into a serving vessel one cup of boiling water. Stir in the paste until dissolved. Add your once of rum. Garnish with a curl of lemon peel and a cinnamon stick. Serve when hot.

[kimbottles]

off to see the doctor this morning, I never see the doctor but after five days of up to 103 fever time to give in......SWMBO driving.

[Tucky]

off to see the doctor this morning, I never see the doctor but after five days of up to 103 fever time to give in......SWMBO driving.

Smart idea- hope you feel better soon.

[blackjenner]

off to see the doctor this morning, I never see the doctor but after five days of up to 103 fever time to give in......SWMBO driving.

Good plan.

[kimbottles]

Going for chest xray

[Jose Carumba]

Sounds like pneumonia? Take care and get better!

[Joli]

Hope it's not pnuemonia, get well soon and best wishes.

[kimbottles]

Waiting for word

Never carried an iPhone before gives me something to do while I wait

[kimbottles]

Sounds like pneumonia? Take care and get better!

Yup pneumonia

going onto medicine immediately should be ok for the Monday visit to Sliver

[Jose Carumba]

Rest up and take all your anti-b meds. you'll be feeling better soon.

[viktor]

Chicken noodle soup on Thanksgiving? Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Hope your feeling better soon Kim.

[kimbottles]

I have been thinking about what happened last night and I think this group is mature enough to handle this without any smart ass comments.

I am dead serious about this.

Last night I was lying in bed feeling pretty bad and all of a sudden Spike came into my mind. I remembered he had pneumonia.

Thanks to his guidance I decided that if I still had a fever in the morning I was not going to screw around any longer I was going directly to the doctor. At 5AM it was 102.2 and at 8:30am I was the doctor's first appointment. Now I am on serious antibiotics.

(Their X-ray machine was down due to flooding so it took a while to get it all sorted out with another clinic's X-ray machine.)

As far as I am concerned Spike saved me from myself (and my general reluctance to go to the doctor.)

I am hugging my big Spike Burgee until I get better.

(Pay no attention to my face sores, they are due to an unrelated skin treatment to kill pre-cancer cells. All you fair-skinned sailors should do this when you get into your 60's.)

Ask me if I am a MEGA Spike Fan now!! (I am not much a of a spiritual person but I sure as hell believe in SPIKE!)

Kim

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[blackjenner]

I have been thinking about what happened last night and I think this group is mature enough to handle this without any smart ass comments.

I am dead serious about this.

Last night I was lying in bed feeling pretty bad and all of a sudden Spike came into my mind. I remembered he had pneumonia.

Thanks to his guidance I decided that if I still had a fever in the morning I was not going to screw around any longer I was going directly to the doctor. At 5AM it was 102.2 and at 8:30am I was the doctor's first appointment. Now I am on serious antibiotics.

(Their X-ray machine was down due to flooding so it took a while to get it all sorted out with another clinic's X-ray machine.)

As far as I am concerned Spike saved me from myself (and my general reluctance to go to the doctor.)

I am hugging my big Spike Burgee until I get better.

(Pay no attention to my face sores, they are due to an unrelated skin treatment to kill pre-cancer cells. All you fair-skinned sailors should do this when you get into your 60's.)

Ask me if I am a MEGA Spike Fan now!! (I am not much a of a spiritual person but I sure as hell believe in SPIKE!)

Kim

I was wondering if you would make that connection. I'm glad you did.

Spike is a reminder to me to always take care of myself and to fight, if necessary, for the care that I need.

[Innocent Bystander]

I have been thinking about what happened last night and I think this group is mature enough to handle this without any smart ass comments.

I am dead serious about this.

Last night I was lying in bed feeling pretty bad and all of a sudden Spike came into my mind. I remembered he had pneumonia.

Thanks to his guidance I decided that if I still had a fever in the morning I was not going to screw around any longer I was going directly to the doctor. At 5AM it was 102.2 and at 8:30am I was the doctor's first appointment. Now I am on serious antibiotics.

(Their X-ray machine was down due to flooding so it took a while to get it all sorted out with another clinic's X-ray machine.)

As far as I am concerned Spike saved me from myself (and my general reluctance to go to the doctor.)

I am hugging my big Spike Burgee until I get better.

(Pay no attention to my face sores, they are due to an unrelated skin treatment to kill pre-cancer cells. All you fair-skinned sailors should do this when you get into your 60's.)

Ask me if I am a MEGA Spike Fan now!! (I am not much a of a spiritual person but I sure as hell believe in SPIKE!)

Kim

Kim

I had a similar thought when I read about your fever and reluctance to seek medical care. Spike's death made a lot of us more aware of the fragile nature of our lives.

Take care of yourself.

[kimbottles]

Hey I was just lying there and all of a sudden he was in my mind.

Coincidence?

No way will you ever convince me that Spike didn't visit me last night!

[austin1972]

Well there you have it. Really a strange sort of blessing in a strange sort of way.
Crazy world!

[nroose]

This made me think also of another dear friend who kinda went that way as well. Happens too often. We have to stick together, and lean on each other sometimes. And sometimes go to a doc. They spend their lives studying this stuff. We should thank them too!

[olaf hart]

Hey I was just lying there and all of a sudden he was in my mind.

Coincidence?

No way will you ever convince me that Spike didn't visit me last night!

Chest Physio, or even having a physiotherapist to show someone at home how to do chest percussion, moves things along as well as antibiotics.

[Bob Perry]

Hope you are feeling better this morning Kim.

[valcour]

Kim,

Hope you are feeling better and on the mend.

Charlie

[blackjenner]

Hey Kim, get better soon, willya?

[kimbottles]

Hope you are feeling better this morning Kim.

Thanks to your son Bob I am much better this morning. (Thank you Spike!)

So far 750 mg of z-pack (that's what my doctor brother and doctor sister-in-law call it.) 750 mg to go, then x-ray lungs to make sure.

Too bad my family member doctors live 3000 miles away.

[Bob Perry]

That's good to hear Kim.

[Hike, Bitches!]

The Z-pak is good stuff.. Follow the directions closely.

Happy Turkey Day, Kim..looking forward to your recovery.

[WHL]

Hope you start to recover soon Kim. Lay back and think about that Sliver hull slipping effortlessly through the water (as if you don't already !)

[steele]

Z pak, a good antibiotic with brilliant marketing. Wishing you a quick recovery and healthy Thanksgiving.

[kimbottles]

Got bored watching SWMBO cook yesterday morning so had Derek ("dbottles") and Becca drive me up to see the boat.

Derek has done major refits on large vessels and has worked with Bob on projects (in fact it was he who introduced me to Bob many years ago!)

So he laid out the engine exhaust, the breaker panel location and type, the wiring routes and the battery switch location (along with several other things) while we were there. Handy to have him around.

I think I have mentioned Becca before, 4"10" and 100 pounds AND she is a very good rigger. You can bet she is my first choice when I have to hoist someone up the mast.

When they got married Derek's then employer offered them his luxury condo in Maui for their honeymoon........., they took my Swede 55 instead and cruised the San Juan Islands. Got to love their priorities.

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[kimbottles]

looks like the crew has done some preliminary painting on the underside of the deck and up forward.

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[kimbottles]

battery hold down trays came out nicely. This crew really does nice work.

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