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[cartermoore]

i've talked to bob steele several times about the boat. he apparently ran the boat with/for al cassel. did you know him?

Bob is one of the principals (if not "The" principal) of buoyweather.com
Southern California resident and sailor.

yes. bob is a lot of fun to talk to & remembers alot about the boat & al cassel. he's seems to have a sincere fondness for both.

I have a tank test model of Terrorist that was recently passed down to me after years of neglect. The transom is embellished with a fist clenched around a bolt of lightning and the words, 'Por la Raza' arching over the top. I can remember playing in it as a kid in the pool however 'Terrorist' was gone before I was old enough to remember it. Any further info on the boat or Bob Steele would be greatly appreciated. I'm not exactly sure how these sites work; a friend of mine sent me the link. I can be reached at 949-293-9358. Regards, Carter M. Cassel

[Tucky]

This crossed the Atlantic:

Sopranino?

And Trekka went around the world at 22'

[chorus1]

Here she is : B195 Peterson One Tonner Half/Hull
Sail and hull plan wanted

[charisma94]

Here she is : B195 Peterson One Tonner Half/Hull
Sail and hull plan wanted

Is that the boat that raced out of Melbourne as "Pioneer Sound" which fell foul of rule26... then had to drop the sponsor name and raced as B195, then represented Australia as KA B195 in the half ton worlds?

[mcsailor0303]

Is that a dagger board from a laser?

[DickDastardly]

Here she is : B195 Peterson One Tonner Half/Hull
Sail and hull plan wanted

Is that the boat that raced out of Melbourne as "Pioneer Sound" which fell foul of rule26... then had to drop the sponsor name and raced as B195, then represented Australia as KA B195 in the half ton worlds?

Yes that's it. Had two hull sisters in Australia, Deception & Relentless which were fixed keelers.

[chorus1]

Is that a dagger board from a laser?

Nope, here is the true one

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[chorus1]

And now a "monster" from B.KIng 1973 : Terrorist !

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[12 metre]

Yeah, Terrorist was a pretty cool design. Fast - too fast which is likely why the IYRU effectively banned bilge boards, although I could see why they would not want to encourage such development back in the day. Most current designs would not have been able to hit the starting line back then, being considered undesirable developments.

Anyways, here is another sketch of Terrorist showing the bilge board arrangement and large tumblehome, which actually looked pretty good on her. The board looks short, but I imagine that was done for illustrative purposes to fit it all into the sketch. However, I don't think they were quite as long as the previous post suggests.

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[sledracr]

And now a "monster" from B.KIng 1973 : Terrorist !

Fun boat!

[longy]

BOB STEEL
STEEL MARITIME
949-422-2633

[Mr. Fixit's brother,, Mr. Fixit]

Yeah, Terrorist was a pretty cool design. Fast - too fast which is likely why the IYRU effectively banned bilge boards, although I could see why they would not want to encourage such development back in the day. Most current designs would not have been able to hit the starting line back then, being considered undesirable developments.

Anyways, here is another sketch of Terrorist showing the bilge board arrangement and large tumblehome, which actually looked pretty good on her. The board looks short, but I imagine that was done for illustrative purposes to fit it all into the sketch. However, I don't think they were quite as long as the previous post suggests.

I thought the IOR didn't ban them but changed the rule to count the daggerboard twice in design measurement giving the bilgeboard boats a much higher rating.

[sunseeker]

this boat probably belongs in this thread. 1974 one tonner terrorist rebuild as of 9/15/2012.

Was that the boat owned by Al Cassel?

[kpie]

this boat probably belongs in this thread. 1974 one tonner terrorist rebuild as of 9/15/2012.

Was that the boat owned by Al Cassel?

yes. & built by him(sparcraft) as well.

[sledracr]

Yeah, Terrorist was a pretty cool design. Fast - too fast which is likely why the IYRU effectively banned bilge boards, although I could see why they would not want to encourage such development back in the day.

I thought the IOR didn't ban them but changed the rule to count the daggerboard twice in design measurement giving the bilgeboard boats a much higher rating.

Yeah.... fast, but it was more than that. The bilgeboards, being "toe'd in", allowed the boat to climb to weather like you wouldn't believe. And off the wind, pulling up both boards led to an "exciting" run with virtually no stability, but also very little drag. IOR didn't actually ban them, they just made them very unattractive from a rating perspective. IIRC, the IOR had two different factors that counted as a "multiplier" in the rating formula - "CBF" (the "centerboard factor") for any retractable appendage, and then hit again with "MAF" (the "movable appendage factor") which applied to trim-tabs and bilge-boards. Netted out, it became very difficult to sail a boat to its rating when the rating was inflated... uh, I mean "corrected" by all those factors.

[chorus1]

New Half Hull according to your informations

Tx a lot, especially to Paul.

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[12 metre]

Yeah, Terrorist was a pretty cool design. Fast - too fast which is likely why the IYRU effectively banned bilge boards, although I could see why they would not want to encourage such development back in the day.

I thought the IOR didn't ban them but changed the rule to count the daggerboard twice in design measurement giving the bilgeboard boats a much higher rating.

Yeah.... fast, but it was more than that. The bilgeboards, being "toe'd in", allowed the boat to climb to weather like you wouldn't believe. And off the wind, pulling up both boards led to an "exciting" run with virtually no stability, but also very little drag. IOR didn't actually ban them, they just made them very unattractive from a rating perspective. IIRC, the IOR had two different factors that counted as a "multiplier" in the rating formula - "CBF" (the "centerboard factor") for any retractable appendage, and then hit again with "MAF" (the "movable appendage factor") which applied to trim-tabs and bilge-boards. Netted out, it became very difficult to sail a boat to its rating when the rating was inflated... uh, I mean "corrected" by all those factors.

Not only were the boards toed in, but assymetrical too IIRC. No the IOR didn't ban them per se, but like I said, effectively banned them with adjustments to The MAF. Apparently the rule changes increased her rating by some 2 feet. I dug up a few more photos of Terrorist. One is from the 74 OTC, another is from her recent rebuild, which is great to see, plus a more detailed body plan. Finally, one from the sorry state she was in a few years ago when she was parked in a yard in Port Townsend.

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[DUBLIN-13]

This one sounds weird. Its listed on the half ton europe site

"
BRAINSTORM


OWNER: Last owner George O'Brien Kennedy
DESIGNER: George O'Brien Kennedy
YEAR_BUILT: 1972
MATERIAL: WOOD / BOIS
DISPLACEMENT: 2.6Tons LOA: 29.25ft.
IRC_RATING: Not known
SAILNUMBER: 3102
HOMEPORT: Drumsna, Co. Leitrim, Ireland.
EMAIL: Not known
REGISTER_NUMBER: 0021 Date: 06/01/2011


DESCRIPTION
Brainstorm is an unorthodox half tonner designed by an experienced professional designer. She was built by Donal Conlon and Bert O' Mahony in Co. Roscommon. Her most interesting feature is a forward mounted rudder or 'canard'. This feature can be used to achieve higher pointing to windward and induces stability downwind at a time when half tonners had a tendancy to broach downwind. In order to ensure that the rudder did not jump out of the water in heavy waves it is positioned well aft in the underbody. In order to keep the rudder at a distance from the centre of lateral resistance, the keel is mounted further aft than was usual. The sailplan also had to be located further aft than usual in order to maintain the centre of effort in the right place. In this way the centre of gravity of the boat, the mast, and maximum beam are in line with each other. All of this results in a hull which has a very long fine entry which is considered desirable in a relatively light boat which is expected to go well to windward in rough conditions. There is a second rudder astern which is intended as a balancing rudder, or trim tab. There is a helmsmans well on the foredeck giving the helmsman an unobstructed view of the luff of the genoa. The boat has a double tiller system aft so that both rudders can be used in unison or independently as required. The double chine hull has a flat bottom out to the centre mid depth position and then straight flare to the chine at the point where the rated beam is taken, in the same manner as a Scampi. Brainstorm has a relatively slim immersed body which limits her ability to carry sail area. Total standing sail area is 382sq.ft. There is an additional chine just below deck level to minimise windage when the boat is heeled. Initially the keel was a 20mm. steel plate with two half bulbs of cast iron attached on each side and weighed over a ton. Subsequently the two half torpedos of the keel bulb were reduced in width by 12mm each, and the keel given timber fairings to form a proper foil. Eventually this second keel was replaced by a hollow fabricated stainless steel fin partly filled with lead shot. The final keel was a cast lead fin keel. Brainstorm won the Howth Yacht Club East and West Cup in 1974."

[DickDastardly]

Brainstorm Pic. Wacky
http://www.histoired...lfs.com/E47.htm

[Maxx Baqustae]

Wow. Terrorist changed everything in those days. IOR couldn't keep up and we saw the daggerboard Chance designs etc that were out of the fold that wouldn't fit with what they were thinking about. The mold had been broken.

It took 15 years to make IOR boats type forming. Then IMS came along.

[Richard 4073]

I've compiled a brief history on Terrorist for those interested here http://rbsailing.blo...-terrorist.html, and updated it today with a new photo of her two-sail reaching, used with permission from Carter Cassel.

[atefooterz]

http://www.gumtree.c...ing/1010642988#

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29ft (8.8m) former Sydney to Hobart racing yacht, "Tenacious"

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/labrador/other-boats-jet-skis/29ft-8-8m-sparkman-stephens-racing-yacht/1006351715

[SPORTSCAR]

Here she is : B195 Peterson One Tonner Half/Hull
Sail and hull plan wanted

Is that the boat that raced out of Melbourne as "Pioneer Sound" which fell foul of rule26... then had to drop the sponsor name and raced as B195, then represented Australia as KA B195 in the half ton worlds?

She must have been the worlds biggest ever Half Tonner! B195 / Pioneer Sound was a Peterson 1 Tonner sailed by Tom Stephenson, earlier a winner of the 1974 Half Ton Cup (Chicago) in Foxy Lady. FL was a Peterson Half Tonner.

[charisma94]

Here she is : B195 Peterson One Tonner Half/Hull
Sail and hull plan wanted

Is that the boat that raced out of Melbourne as "Pioneer Sound" which fell foul of rule26... then had to drop the sponsor name and raced as B195, then represented Australia as KA B195 in the half ton worlds?

She must have been the worlds biggest ever Half Tonner! B195 / Pioneer Sound was a Peterson 1 Tonner sailed by Tom Stephenson, earlier a winner of the 1974 Half Ton Cup (Chicago) in Foxy Lady. FL was a Peterson Half Tonner.

She was a one tonner as KA B 195 as you point out. My mistake.

But then you say she was a Peterson half tonner & won the half ton cup as Foxy Lady when in Fla.? So what was she SPORTS??? ;-)

[DickDastardly]

Language issue Charisma. SPORTSCAR is saying that Tom Stephenson was a Half Ton Cup winner, not B195. Foxy Lady was another boat.

BTW This is Deception - a fixed keel hull sister to B195

[DickDastardly]

Deception For Sale

[charisma94]

Language issue Charisma. SPORTSCAR is saying that Tom Stephenson was a Half Ton Cup winner, not B195. Foxy Lady was another boat.

BTW This is Deception - a fixed keel hull sister to B195

Ahhhh I get it now! Thanks DD.

[Tittravate]

I was glad to see that the Catalina 38 wasn't at the top of the list for bad IOR designs, but surprised that there was only one comment in the thread. The boat sails great, almost by itself, but it's squirrely dead downwind...still winning PHRF races. Biggest problem is trying to keep the tumblehome hull from getting banged up at the dock.

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[chorus1]

Disturbed this 37 ' B.Chance Jr ??

[DUBLIN-13]

This pig ugly half tonner for sale on boat shed http://www.boatshed....oat-120540.html

That paint job, that bow, stern and well the whole thing is a serious looking pig that needs a serious amount of booze inside you to buy

[dolphinmaster]

Anyone have any pics of Evolution, the 30' 1 Tonner by Craig Walters that was built for Tony Johnson of Competition Sails from St. Pete? I was in Jr. High School when they campaigned her in the SORC, probably 74 etc.

[P_Wop]

This pig ugly half tonner for sale on boat shed http://www.boatshed....oat-120540.html

That paint job, that bow, stern and well the whole thing is a serious looking pig that needs a serious amount of booze inside you to buy

But it was pretty hot shit 'back in the day.' How fashions (and rules) change.

[moody frog]

This pig ugly half tonner for sale on boat shed http://www.boatshed....oat-120540.html

That paint job, that bow, stern and well the whole thing is a serious looking pig that needs a serious amount of booze inside you to buy

But it was pretty hot shit 'back in the day.' How fashions (and rules) change.

And ...... SN and her sistership were felt as awfully ugly at the time !
I remember when we passed her (with a larger boat) off Bembridge I.O.W, the whole crew had a "oops" moment and our rythm fell down.
First thing was to try and see her at the dock, then some head scratching began, some started talking girth measurement, now she was queen of the show - with a big question mark though: how and when to make an owner accept ugly distortions ?

Much easier to "sell" a Peterson or Holland design.
My side of the pond, it was only through boats (1/4 to 1/2 ton) funded and built by designers or sailmakers themselves that "distortion" was able to come to light, as it was the case for fractional rigs by the way.

Supernova really deserves recognition on this thread as the real starter of the "distortion era" - even if one should have looked twice at Odd-Job a year or so earlier.

[atefooterz]

As one of many former happy/ scared crews of the various owners of Supernova ... i would buy the beastie if i was in the UK in a blink. A very happy & reasonably successful season was had in the early 2000s

EDiT: A sad thing was the owner would not let me redo the supernova signage on the fore deck, it was scuffed and sad however mostly sound so an easy fix to paint and return to new & maintain her looks from launch

[moody frog]

Disturbed this 37 ' B.Chance Jr ??

I do not know exactly when this design was commissioned by Henri Wauquiez and finalised by Britton Chance, but the N°1 was launched in Spring '71.
She is therefore a very early IOR design, well before the intricacies of the rule were fully understood.

A superb boat she is and I very nearly bought one, years ago, only stopped by a business move.

Nevertheless she already marked a shock to owners, a number of them, coming from classic RORC designs, were put off-foot by Brit's research of performance.
Not talking about the challenge of building a strong flat-bottom, which HW tackled after 1 or 2 boats, the boat, while full of teak accomodation, was set as a racer.

I had such an example when - shortly after - I was in charge of the spars supply for her, Brit had gone for inline shrouds and single-spreaders, rigging had to be very tight. But....he had also insisted on fixed spreaders and had designed the rig with a permanent slight bend when sailing, only when that bend was induced would the spreader tip (and shroud) come in line. Of course the adjustable backstay and baby stay had to be loose at the dock.
Juggling with backstay and baby-stay tension proved too hard for many "traditional" owners, boats were sailed with shrouds not in line and a number of breakages happened at the spreader root.

IOR was definitely on its way to splitting the racing-boat (and crew) from the cruisers.

[chorus1]

Disturbed this 37 ' B.Chance Jr ??

I do not know exactly when this design was commissioned by Henri Wauquiez and finalised by Britton Chance, but the N°1 was launched in Spring '71.
She is therefore a very early IOR design, well before the intricacies of the rule were fully understood.

A superb boat she is and I very nearly bought one, years ago, only stopped by a business move.

Nevertheless she already marked a shock to owners, a number of them, coming from classic RORC designs, were put off-foot by Brit's research of performance.
Not talking about the challenge of building a strong flat-bottom, which HW tackled after 1 or 2 boats, the boat, while full of teak accomodation, was set as a racer.

I had such an example when - shortly after - I was in charge of the spars supply for her, Brit had gone for inline shrouds and single-spreaders, rigging had to be very tight. But....he had also insisted on fixed spreaders and had designed the rig with a permanent slight bend when sailing, only when that bend was induced would the spreader tip (and shroud) come in line. Of course the adjustable backstay and baby stay had to be loose at the dock.
Juggling with backstay and baby-stay tension proved too hard for many "traditional" owners, boats were sailed with shrouds not in line and a number of breakages happened at the spreader root.
IOR was definitely on its way to splitting the racing-boat (and crew) from the cruisers.

I sailed Belgium red "Scarlett ohara" and French dark blue Marie Vorgan respectively with M.Malinosky and D.Gilard. Can tell you H.Wauquiez was in trouble to get a strong flat-bottom, some Chance37 almost lost their keel because of the wide angle it can have taken when hardworked , or because of concourse with rocks. The reinforcement was limited to the bottom itself, with an addition of braces in fiberglass and would need to have been linked to hull's frame to be really efficient .
Nevertheless, Chance 37 was very quick when reachnig compared to other IOR 37 feet on that time, and i think it was the first one to keep the kite up with real 37 knts wind, André Nelis helming , admiral's cup for Belgium team with Scarlett.!
Chance 37 was slow in light winds but lengthened their stride up to 15 knts.

[moody frog]

I do not know exactly when this design was commissioned by Henri Wauquiez and finalised by Britton Chance, but the N°1 was launched in Spring '71.
She is therefore a very early IOR design, well before the intricacies of the rule were fully understood.

A superb boat she is and I very nearly bought one, years ago, only stopped by a business move.

Nevertheless she already marked a shock to owners, a number of them, coming from classic RORC designs, were put off-foot by Brit's research of performance.
Not talking about the challenge of building a strong flat-bottom, which HW tackled after 1 or 2 boats, the boat, while full of teak accomodation, was set as a racer.

I had such an example when - shortly after - I was in charge of the spars supply for her, Brit had gone for inline shrouds and single-spreaders, rigging had to be very tight. But....he had also insisted on fixed spreaders and had designed the rig with a permanent slight bend when sailing, only when that bend was induced would the spreader tip (and shroud) come in line. Of course the adjustable backstay and baby stay had to be loose at the dock.
Juggling with backstay and baby-stay tension proved too hard for many "traditional" owners, boats were sailed with shrouds not in line and a number of breakages happened at the spreader root.
IOR was definitely on its way to splitting the racing-boat (and crew) from the cruisers.

I sailed Belgium red "Scarlett ohara" and French dark blue Marie Vorgan respectively with M.Malinosky and D.Gilard. Can tell you H.Wauquiez was in trouble to get a strong flat-bottom, some Chance37 almost lost their keel because of the wide angle it can have taken when hardworked , or because of concourse with rocks. The reinforcement was limited to the bottom itself, with an addition of braces in fiberglass and would need to have been linked to hull's frame to be really efficient .
Nevertheless, Chance 37 was very quick when reachnig compared to other IOR 37 feet on that time, and i think it was the first one to keep the kite up with real 37 knts wind, André Nelis helming , admiral's cup for Belgium team with Scarlett.!
Chance 37 was slow in light winds but lengthened their stride up to 15 knts.

A good opportunity to pay tribute to André Nelis who sadly left this world a month ago.
Great sailor - as Paul Elvström would acknowledge - great sailmaker - great offshore sailor.

He was a good friend of Henri Wauquiez and having been closely involved with the Chance one-tonners Breyell and De Schelde II, I believe he might have induced Wauquiez into moving from Holman & Pye to Chance.

Nice pics from Scarlett here: http://chance37.free...archivesc37.htm

[IanW]

Someone mentioned the Stephen Jones 1/2 tonner Tumblehome earlier - currently for sale with Foundry Reach:

http://www.foundryreach.co.uk/

Makes the Supernova 31's (Supernova, Casanova, Smiffy & Demolition) look quite conservative!

On the subject of Jones 1/2 tonners, does anyone know the whereabouts or have any pictures of 'The Goodies' & 'Boadicea'

[sailman]

Someone mentioned the Stephen Jones 1/2 tonner Tumblehome earlier - currently for sale with Foundry Reach:

http://www.foundryreach.co.uk/

Makes the Supernova 31's (Supernova, Casanova, Smiffy & Demolition) look quite conservative!

On the subject of Jones 1/2 tonners, does anyone know the whereabouts or have any pictures of 'The Goodies' & 'Boadicea'

WOW!

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[atefooterz]

curious "Tumbleholme2

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[Presuming Ed]

[DickDastardly]

The thought of Freddie and a fat bottomed girl is a little disturbing

[some dude]

The thought of Freddie and a fat bottomed girl is a little disturbing

Freddie would concur

[kpie]

this boat probably belongs in this thread. 1974 one tonner terrorist rebuild as of 9/15/2012.

Very pleased to hear about her !
Any more pics about Terrorist ?

updated pics as of 2/26/13

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[Left Hook]

Awesome....

[sledracr]

updated pics as of 2/26/13

I still have nightmares about that trench in the foredeck.

[GeorgB]

Does anyone have a picture of the bottom of IMP or a Swan 39R. I saw one 39R a few weeks back and was so confused i forgot to take a picture. There is a very strange cavity just forward of the rudder IIRC.

[williwaw]

This pig ugly half tonner for sale on boat shed http://www.boatshed....oat-120540.html

That paint job, that bow, stern and well the whole thing is a serious looking pig that needs a serious amount of booze inside you to buy

Is that boat the former Heatwave?

[kpie]

updated pics as of 2/26/13

I still have nightmares about that trench in the foredeck.

ahh, the trench. i thought along time about that thing. the problem is that it is part of the frame. i considered welding some 1/8" over it but it would have been an ornamental covering that you couldn't get to the underside of. so i decided to live w/ it & call the trench an artifact.

[IanW]

This pig ugly half tonner for sale on boat shed http://www.boatshed....oat-120540.html

That paint job, that bow, stern and well the whole thing is a serious looking pig that needs a serious amount of booze inside you to buy

Is that boat the former Heatwave?

No, that is Supernova, always has been, the first of 4 'Supernova 31s' designed by Stephen Jones about 1973 (followed by Casanova '74/'75 ish, Smiffy in '78 & Demolition in '81.

[Steam Flyer]

updated pics as of 2/26/13

I still have nightmares about that trench in the foredeck.

ahh, the trench. i thought along time about that thing. the problem is that it is part of the frame. i considered welding some 1/8" over it but it would have been an ornamental covering that you couldn't get to the underside of. so i decided to live w/ it & call the trench an artifact.

Yes... it makes an excellent reminder of a kinder, simpler era doesn't it?


Or maybe an example of "seemed like a good idea at the time"

FB- Doug

[sledracr]

Yes... it makes an excellent reminder of a kinder, simpler era doesn't it?


Or maybe an example of "seemed like a good idea at the time"

It was certainly an interesting idea. Like 12s of the era, the spin-pole was basically always hooked up at the mast, all you had to do was open a snapshackle that held the topping lift back, and the string-pullers could do the rest.

The problem was that you had to be careful to remember the trench was there when the pole wasn't in it. Like, just after the weather mark.... headsail all over the bow, very easy to stick your foot in it on the way to doing something else. Not my idea of "kinder, simpler"... ;-)

[OJ O'Connell]

Enough of this talk of IOR boats being gross and ugly. Granted some are pretty disturbed and distorted,
but they can be such beautiful boats!
Although its only an opinion, My favorite boats of all time have been designed under the IOR rule.
Not to mention you can never mistake the style of design

[Caca Cabeza]

At the end the IOR boats were kind of like the high performance piston planes just before jets. To eek out that last measure of performance (under the rule), everything had an adjustment -- pressurized keels, water cooled halyards, hydraulic beer can holders, you name it. I suppose it was because it was a race between the rule makers and the loophole exploiters (designers). Just paint the deck black and be done with it..

[kpie]

At the end the IOR boats were kind of like the high performance piston planes just before jets. To eek out that last measure of performance (under the rule), everything had an adjustment -- pressurized keels, water cooled halyards, hydraulic beer can holders, you name it. I suppose it was because it was a race between the rule makers and the loophole exploiters (designers). Just paint the deck black and be done with it..

what does that mean?

[Somebody Else]

I remember swapping out a complete compliment of water-cooled halyards. Never again. Or at least next time I triple the estimate. The water couplings at the masthead were delicate and corroded into one solid mass. Broke 4 out of 5 and, of course, replacements had to be custom fabricated out of unobtainium.

Now the hydraulic beer can holders were -- and still are -- happening!
"I'd like another beer, please!"
"No problem, mate; coming right up!"
*pump* *pump* *pump* *POP!* *swoooooosh...*
*grab out of thin air*
"Thanks, brother!"

Just stay away from the vintage Stearns HBCHs ...
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Hang on..."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Just a second. Let me get some duct tape."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*POP!*
*oily beer can slips between fingers*
*splash!*
"Oops! I'll dial up another."
"Don't bother..."

[Chris 249]

At the end the IOR boats were kind of like the high performance piston planes just before jets. To eek out that last measure of performance (under the rule), everything had an adjustment -- pressurized keels, water cooled halyards, hydraulic beer can holders, you name it. I suppose it was because it was a race between the rule makers and the loophole exploiters (designers). Just paint the deck black and be done with it..

what does that mean?

"The Black Deck" was a classic mid '70s spoof article on playing the IOR rule, published in Yachting or something similar.

[robmo01]

CASCADE, Jerry Milgram designer I think; bizarre rule beater cat ketch, not terribly attractive in hull shape, color, construction...

could still win races, though, under certain conditions

Sailed against that boat in the Buzzards Bay Regatta in 1975 it was weird looking, but won races. I think it was built to make the point that the IOR was nuts

[Left Hook]

Would someone please explain to my very junior mind what a water cooled halyard is? Sounds expensive and complicated.

[charisma94]

Would someone please explain to my very junior mind what a water cooled halyard is? Sounds expensive and complicated.

Who's going to be the one to break the news to him???

[sunseeker]

Would someone please explain to my very junior mind what a water cooled halyard is? Sounds expensive and complicated.

Hook line and sinker young grasshopper.

[Chris 249]

Back in IOR days, we had to deal with heavy boats, wire braces full of meathooks, plastic wet weather gear, and Hobart races that took longer than a beer can.

This made us so macho and tough that when we went to bounce halyards up, they would move so fast that the wire heated up, sliced the delron blocks, and then melted their way down the mast. I believe that it was Bob Derektor who found the solution with his '73 Salty Goose - run fine pipes up from the cockpit drains. Small impellers shared the axle of the sheaves, so when the sheaves turned, water would be pumped up and sprayed over the halyards to stop them melting.

Kids these days are so pampered with their lightweight carbon stuff that such tech is no longer needed.

[Left Hook]

On my scale of realistic to round-the-bend crazy the idea of water cooled halyards fall at about 60% when viewed in light of the fugly ass transom on that 2 tonner which was posted recently.

[Mud sailor]

And on the list of things Bob did invent, water cooled halyards would fit right in

[Grogo]

Language issue Charisma. SPORTSCAR is saying that Tom Stephenson was a Half Ton Cup winner, not B195. Foxy Lady was another boat.

BTW This is Deception - a fixed keel hull sister to B195

Ahhhh I get it now! Thanks DD.

[Grogo]

Language issue Charisma. SPORTSCAR is saying that Tom Stephenson was a Half Ton Cup winner, not B195. Foxy Lady was another boat.

BTW This is Deception - a fixed keel hull sister to B195

Ahhhh I get it now! Thanks DD.

Crfarkingrash is the sound she made when they hit the sow & pigs at full Bicky with the chute up, made it to the beach and they stepped straight onto the sand from the deck

[moody frog]

Back in IOR days, we had to deal with heavy boats, wire braces full of meathooks, plastic wet weather gear, and Hobart races that took longer than a beer can.

This made us so macho and tough that when we went to bounce halyards up, they would move so fast that the wire heated up, sliced the delron blocks, and then melted their way down the mast. I believe that it was Bob Derektor who found the solution with his '73 Salty Goose - run fine pipes up from the cockpit drains. Small impellers shared the axle of the sheaves, so when the sheaves turned, water would be pumped up and sprayed over the halyards to stop them melting.

Kids these days are so pampered with their lightweight carbon stuff that such tech is no longer needed.

Delrin blocks ! guaranteed seizing at some point.
I am surprised the mastmaker I was working at -at the time - was going to the trouble of using aluminum sheaves, with both diameter and groove tailored to the rope diameter to be used. I should say "grooves", as at the bottom of the fibre-rope groove was an other one of smaller size for the wire.
Between that aluminum sheave and the S/S axis there was a tufnol nut for better lubrification.
Simple, permanent and working fine, but .... with such detailing, all around the spar, we were either too expensive or losing money

PS: and the happy days of taking the spin-halyards down (on a small messenger-line) for any significant upwind leg !

[Somebody Else]

Would someone please explain to my very junior mind what a water cooled halyard is? Sounds expensive and complicated.

[IanW]

As nominated by Moody Frog over on the well known IOR boats thread I give you the Guy Ribadeau-Dumas designed '87 French AC team contender 'Val Maubuee' - surely we now have a winner for the ugliest most distorted IOR boat.

Sensitive souls look away!

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Surely there can't be anything worse skulking in a marina somewhere........?

[DickDastardly]

As nominated by Moody Frog over on the well known IOR boats thread I give you the Guy Ribadeau-Dumas designed '87 French AC team contender 'Val Maubuee' - surely we now have a winner for the ugliest most distorted IOR boat.

Sensitive souls look away!


Surely there can't be anything worse skulking in a marina somewhere........?

Impressive. I'm sure someone's turned it into a cruising boat by now...

[Trickypig]

Impressive. I'm sure someone's turned it into a cruising boat by now...

Well the flat spot is a good place for the fenders when rafting up.

[Laker]

As nominated by Moody Frog over on the well known IOR boats thread I give you the Guy Ribadeau-Dumas designed '87 French AC team contender 'Val Maubuee' - surely we now have a winner for the ugliest most distorted IOR boat.

Sensitive souls look away!

 Val Maubuee 01.jpg   423.95K   182 downloads

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 Val Maubuee 06.jpg   161.15K   119 downloads

Surely there can't be anything worse skulking in a marina somewhere........?

Come on!!!! No where close to "Riotous Assembly". It was so bad, they took a chain saw to it.

[chorus1]

As nominated by Moody Frog over on the well known IOR boats thread I give you the Guy Ribadeau-Dumas designed '87 French AC team contender 'Val Maubuee' - surely we now have a winner for the ugliest most distorted IOR boat.

Sensitive souls look away!

 Val Maubuee 01.jpg   423.95K   182 downloads

 Val Maubuee 02.jpg   65.49K   206 downloads

 Val Maubuee 03.jpg   135.07K   190 downloads

 Val Maubuee 04.jpg   130.63K   168 downloads

 Val Maubuee 06.jpg   161.15K   119 downloads

Surely there can't be anything worse skulking in a marina somewhere........?

TX for that shots Ian !
I remember this boat when she trained at la Trinité sur Mer in France with IOR fleet...autumn and spring training...
Slightly slow with small winds, she never win as expected.
At that time i heard the flat spot was a way to get 2 additional crew members : in fact it was for a new IOR rating regulation which introduced at that time the number of members for a crew according to some rating ratio data .
If i remember well the sails were from "Technique Voile" which became North some years then at La Trinité sur Mer.

I saw Val Maubuée painted in Red a few years ago in a good shape, chartering in France Atlantic coast.

[P_Wop]

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Hey, Ian, looks like the infamous Bob Cooper is just as bemused as everyone else.

[Presuming Ed]

Perhaps the transom was supposed to be spelled Va mauvais.

[kpie]

I remember swapping out a complete compliment of water-cooled halyards. Never again. Or at least next time I triple the estimate. The water couplings at the masthead were delicate and corroded into one solid mass. Broke 4 out of 5 and, of course, replacements had to be custom fabricated out of unobtainium.

Now the hydraulic beer can holders were -- and still are -- happening!
"I'd like another beer, please!"
"No problem, mate; coming right up!"
*pump* *pump* *pump* *POP!* *swoooooosh...*
*grab out of thin air*
"Thanks, brother!"

Just stay away from the vintage Stearns HBCHs ...
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Hang on..."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Just a second. Let me get some duct tape."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*POP!*
*oily beer can slips between fingers*
*splash!*
"Oops! I'll dial up another."
"Don't bother..."

before installation of water-cooled halyards. (unobtainium on backorder.)

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[moody frog]

I remember swapping out a complete compliment of water-cooled halyards. Never again. Or at least next time I triple the estimate. The water couplings at the masthead were delicate and corroded into one solid mass. Broke 4 out of 5 and, of course, replacements had to be custom fabricated out of unobtainium.

Now the hydraulic beer can holders were -- and still are -- happening!
"I'd like another beer, please!"
"No problem, mate; coming right up!"
*pump* *pump* *pump* *POP!* *swoooooosh...*
*grab out of thin air*
"Thanks, brother!"

Just stay away from the vintage Stearns HBCHs ...
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Hang on..."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
"Just a second. Let me get some duct tape."
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*pump* *pump* *pump*
*POP!*
*oily beer can slips between fingers*
*splash!*
"Oops! I'll dial up another."
"Don't bother..."

before installation of water-cooled halyards. (unobtainium on backorder.)

Gorgeous !

[SloopJonB]

Does anyone in the PNW remember a boat called "Royal Rose"? What ever happened to that POS.

Maxx?

Ah yes, the infamous Royal Rose. Another fine Grimwood design! I think it was built with a type strip planking. I don't know - I never got close to it in the yard as the smell of mold that would get ya from half a block away. It was full of water for years and it was seeping from the inside out. I haven't seen it lately but the last time I saw it someone was painting it. With a roller. In latex it seems. I think it hogged in the stands and I guess it was dumpster material. No point of burning it - you'd never get it lit!

The builder was also involved with the Ariel 48. Another boat was doomed to outset. It's still hanging around somewhere. Never finished.

The same guy was involved with this:

Locura 4.bmp

Locura.

I'm dredging up this old post because I have some info and some questions on it. I remember Royal Rose - I saw it when it was first launched. It was somewhere around 60' IIRC. It looked pretty good from the dock when it was new but the strip planking lines were already starting to show. I was told it had a Chevy small block for an inboard!

 

A bit later I lived across the boulevard from Grimwood in N.Van. He had the WEST built plug for Plavsic's Ariel 48 in his side yard. It was gorgeous - bright finished and perfect. It ended up in Race Rock Yacht Services yard with a keel and a bit of deck hardware mounted. It sat there so long it eventually got painted baby blue to protect it but the rot still showed through after all those years. It finally got launched as it was and towed to the Sunshine Coast somewhere - apparently Grimwood had some real estate deal going there and he was going to trade a lot for 20 odd years of back storage charges at RR. Chris Deiner is dead now so I can't confirm what he told me 10 years ago about that whole mess.

 

As to that nightmare that became of Locura, I actually looked into buying that boat before it got butchered - the winches were worth the asking price but it had about 5'8" headroom at best and the hydraulic drive was filling the bilge every couple of days. That was ad odd design, even for that period in the IOR - it had 6 to 8 feet of aft overhang that was only a couple of inches out of the water at the dock. It would have gained a HUGE anount of length as soon as any stern wave at all formed. The guy selling it said it was a 3/4 tonner ?? I can't imagine that there was ever a 39' 3/4 tonner but that stern was strange enough to at least put it into the realm of possibility.

 

Later I saw it in Mosquito creek being butchered into what you see in those pics. It took a long time and a lot of money to create that abortion. Turn a super lightweight, extreme grand prix boat into a weird motorsailer/liveaboard?? WTF? Apparently a big part of the hull core was soaked and had to be rebuilt even before the rest of the butchering began. Judging by that stern shot, it's floating about a foot below it's lines when I first saw it.

 

I never heard about Grimwoods connection to that mess though - it was a guy with some kind of Germanic accent doing it. Anyone know what the Grimwood connection was? His reach seemed to exceed his grasp pretty consistently.

 

Also, was there ever an Ariel 48 finished? A couple of years ago Plavsic's partner in that project was advertizing a partly completed one for sale as a project - fairly healthy price kept it from selling IIRC.

[Steam Flyer]

... .... ...

As to that nightmare that became of Locura, I actually looked into buying that boat before it got butchered - the winches were worth the asking price but it had about 5'8" headroom at best and the hydraulic drive was filling the bilge every couple of days. That was ad odd design, even for that period in the IOR - it had 6 to 8 feet of aft overhang that was only a couple of inches out of the water at the dock. It would have gained a HUGE anount of length as soon as any stern wave at all formed. The guy selling it said it was a 3/4 tonner ?? I can't imagine that there was ever a 39' 3/4 tonner but that stern was strange enough to at least put it into the realm of possibility.

 

Later I saw it in Mosquito creek being butchered into what you see in those pics. It took a long time and a lot of money to create that abortion. Turn a super lightweight, extreme grand prix boat into a weird motorsailer/liveaboard?? WTF? Apparently a big part of the hull core was soaked and had to be rebuilt even before the rest of the butchering began. Judging by that stern shot, it's floating about a foot below it's lines when I first saw it.

... ... ...

 

 

Dang skippy...

 

Is that a forklift parked in the cockpit?? Heck of thing to happen to a Tonner, even one of the wierdos. Some people should not be allowed around boats.

 

FB- Doug

[Maxx Baqustae]

 

Does anyone in the PNW remember a boat called "Royal Rose"? What ever happened to that POS.

Maxx?

Ah yes, the infamous Royal Rose. Another fine Grimwood design! I think it was built with a type strip planking. I don't know - I never got close to it in the yard as the smell of mold that would get ya from half a block away. It was full of water for years and it was seeping from the inside out. I haven't seen it lately but the last time I saw it someone was painting it. With a roller. In latex it seems. I think it hogged in the stands and I guess it was dumpster material. No point of burning it - you'd never get it lit!

The builder was also involved with the Ariel 48. Another boat was doomed to outset. It's still hanging around somewhere. Never finished.

The same guy was involved with this:

Locura 4.bmp

Locura.

I'm dredging up this old post because I have some info and some questions on it. I remember Royal Rose - I saw it when it was first launched. It was somewhere around 60' IIRC. It looked pretty good from the dock when it was new but the strip planking lines were already starting to show. I was told it had a Chevy small block for an inboard!

 

A bit later I lived across the boulevard from Grimwood in N.Van. He had the WEST built plug for Plavsic's Ariel 48 in his side yard. It was gorgeous - bright finished and perfect. It ended up in Race Rock Yacht Services yard with a keel and a bit of deck hardware mounted. It sat there so long it eventually got painted baby blue to protect it but the rot still showed through after all those years. It finally got launched as it was and towed to the Sunshine Coast somewhere - apparently Grimwood had some real estate deal going there and he was going to trade a lot for 20 odd years of back storage charges at RR. Chris Deiner is dead now so I can't confirm what he told me 10 years ago about that whole mess.

 

As to that nightmare that became of Locura, I actually looked into buying that boat before it got butchered - the winches were worth the asking price but it had about 5'8" headroom at best and the hydraulic drive was filling the bilge every couple of days. That was ad odd design, even for that period in the IOR - it had 6 to 8 feet of aft overhang that was only a couple of inches out of the water at the dock. It would have gained a HUGE anount of length as soon as any stern wave at all formed. The guy selling it said it was a 3/4 tonner ?? I can't imagine that there was ever a 39' 3/4 tonner but that stern was strange enough to at least put it into the realm of possibility.

 

Later I saw it in Mosquito creek being butchered into what you see in those pics. It took a long time and a lot of money to create that abortion. Turn a super lightweight, extreme grand prix boat into a weird motorsailer/liveaboard?? WTF? Apparently a big part of the hull core was soaked and had to be rebuilt even before the rest of the butchering began. Judging by that stern shot, it's floating about a foot below it's lines when I first saw it.

 

I never heard about Grimwoods connection to that mess though - it was a guy with some kind of Germanic accent doing it. Anyone know what the Grimwood connection was? His reach seemed to exceed his grasp pretty consistently.

 

Also, was there ever an Ariel 48 finished? A couple of years ago Plavsic's partner in that project was advertizing a partly completed one for sale as a project - fairly healthy price kept it from selling IIRC.

I'd have to look at my IOR files but "that" Locura was 39' but they built it with rules an after thought. I was designed to win SORC. I have remember it rated around 31.5 or more. I've got the certificate somewhere.

 

The germanic guy was Dutch (or at least it was flagged that way) but that shouldn't be a big surprise eh? I don't know the actual connection but I use to see Grimwood and the "Greek" going at it regularly in Wounded Knee where boats go to die. Now there's a match made in heaven if there was one! Then Grimwood got into powerboats but that ended badly too. And don't get me started with the Greek. Another never ending story.

 

A don't really know what happened to the Ariel 48 at the end of the day and maybe Chris/Race Rocks sold it or dumpstered it. It sat there for 15 years?

[SloopJonB]

 

 

Does anyone in the PNW remember a boat called "Royal Rose"? What ever happened to that POS.

Maxx?

Ah yes, the infamous Royal Rose. Another fine Grimwood design! I think it was built with a type strip planking. I don't know - I never got close to it in the yard as the smell of mold that would get ya from half a block away. It was full of water for years and it was seeping from the inside out. I haven't seen it lately but the last time I saw it someone was painting it. With a roller. In latex it seems. I think it hogged in the stands and I guess it was dumpster material. No point of burning it - you'd never get it lit!

The builder was also involved with the Ariel 48. Another boat was doomed to outset. It's still hanging around somewhere. Never finished.

The same guy was involved with this:

Locura 4.bmp

Locura.

I'm dredging up this old post because I have some info and some questions on it. I remember Royal Rose - I saw it when it was first launched. It was somewhere around 60' IIRC. It looked pretty good from the dock when it was new but the strip planking lines were already starting to show. I was told it had a Chevy small block for an inboard!

 

A bit later I lived across the boulevard from Grimwood in N.Van. He had the WEST built plug for Plavsic's Ariel 48 in his side yard. It was gorgeous - bright finished and perfect. It ended up in Race Rock Yacht Services yard with a keel and a bit of deck hardware mounted. It sat there so long it eventually got painted baby blue to protect it but the rot still showed through after all those years. It finally got launched as it was and towed to the Sunshine Coast somewhere - apparently Grimwood had some real estate deal going there and he was going to trade a lot for 20 odd years of back storage charges at RR. Chris Deiner is dead now so I can't confirm what he told me 10 years ago about that whole mess.

 

As to that nightmare that became of Locura, I actually looked into buying that boat before it got butchered - the winches were worth the asking price but it had about 5'8" headroom at best and the hydraulic drive was filling the bilge every couple of days. That was ad odd design, even for that period in the IOR - it had 6 to 8 feet of aft overhang that was only a couple of inches out of the water at the dock. It would have gained a HUGE anount of length as soon as any stern wave at all formed. The guy selling it said it was a 3/4 tonner ?? I can't imagine that there was ever a 39' 3/4 tonner but that stern was strange enough to at least put it into the realm of possibility.

 

Later I saw it in Mosquito creek being butchered into what you see in those pics. It took a long time and a lot of money to create that abortion. Turn a super lightweight, extreme grand prix boat into a weird motorsailer/liveaboard?? WTF? Apparently a big part of the hull core was soaked and had to be rebuilt even before the rest of the butchering began. Judging by that stern shot, it's floating about a foot below it's lines when I first saw it.

 

I never heard about Grimwoods connection to that mess though - it was a guy with some kind of Germanic accent doing it. Anyone know what the Grimwood connection was? His reach seemed to exceed his grasp pretty consistently.

 

Also, was there ever an Ariel 48 finished? A couple of years ago Plavsic's partner in that project was advertizing a partly completed one for sale as a project - fairly healthy price kept it from selling IIRC.

I'd have to look at my IOR files but "that" Locura was 39' but they built it with rules an after thought. I was designed to win SORC. I have remember it rated around 31.5 or more. I've got the certificate somewhere.

 

The germanic guy was Dutch (or at least it was flagged that way) but that shouldn't be a big surprise eh? I don't know the actual connection but I use to see Grimwood and the "Greek" going at it regularly in Wounded Knee where boats go to die. Now there's a match made in heaven if there was one! Then Grimwood got into powerboats but that ended badly too. And don't get me started with the Greek. Another never ending story.

 

A don't really know what happened to the Ariel 48 at the end of the day and maybe Chris/Race Rocks sold it or dumpstered it. It sat there for 15 years?

I don't know who the Greek was but I'd love to hear your war stories. Like Olympia Dukakis said in Steel Magnolias - "If you don't have anything good to say about anyone, come sit by me".

 

Chris didn't trash the Ariel plug - he finally settled with Grimwood and the boat was taken away. It wasted space at RR for closer to 20 years. A shame - if it had been finished while the hull was still bright it would have been spectacular. Plavsic's designs weren't great but they were designed at a workmanlike level and looked good. They were certainly full of enthusiasm.

[Maxx Baqustae]

 

 

 

Does anyone in the PNW remember a boat called "Royal Rose"? What ever happened to that POS.

Maxx?

Ah yes, the infamous Royal Rose. Another fine Grimwood design! I think it was built with a type strip planking. I don't know - I never got close to it in the yard as the smell of mold that would get ya from half a block away. It was full of water for years and it was seeping from the inside out. I haven't seen it lately but the last time I saw it someone was painting it. With a roller. In latex it seems. I think it hogged in the stands and I guess it was dumpster material. No point of burning it - you'd never get it lit!

The builder was also involved with the Ariel 48. Another boat was doomed to outset. It's still hanging around somewhere. Never finished.

The same guy was involved with this:

Locura 4.bmp

Locura.

I'm dredging up this old post because I have some info and some questions on it. I remember Royal Rose - I saw it when it was first launched. It was somewhere around 60' IIRC. It looked pretty good from the dock when it was new but the strip planking lines were already starting to show. I was told it had a Chevy small block for an inboard!

 

A bit later I lived across the boulevard from Grimwood in N.Van. He had the WEST built plug for Plavsic's Ariel 48 in his side yard. It was gorgeous - bright finished and perfect. It ended up in Race Rock Yacht Services yard with a keel and a bit of deck hardware mounted. It sat there so long it eventually got painted baby blue to protect it but the rot still showed through after all those years. It finally got launched as it was and towed to the Sunshine Coast somewhere - apparently Grimwood had some real estate deal going there and he was going to trade a lot for 20 odd years of back storage charges at RR. Chris Deiner is dead now so I can't confirm what he told me 10 years ago about that whole mess.

 

As to that nightmare that became of Locura, I actually looked into buying that boat before it got butchered - the winches were worth the asking price but it had about 5'8" headroom at best and the hydraulic drive was filling the bilge every couple of days. That was ad odd design, even for that period in the IOR - it had 6 to 8 feet of aft overhang that was only a couple of inches out of the water at the dock. It would have gained a HUGE anount of length as soon as any stern wave at all formed. The guy selling it said it was a 3/4 tonner ?? I can't imagine that there was ever a 39' 3/4 tonner but that stern was strange enough to at least put it into the realm of possibility.

 

Later I saw it in Mosquito creek being butchered into what you see in those pics. It took a long time and a lot of money to create that abortion. Turn a super lightweight, extreme grand prix boat into a weird motorsailer/liveaboard?? WTF? Apparently a big part of the hull core was soaked and had to be rebuilt even before the rest of the butchering began. Judging by that stern shot, it's floating about a foot below it's lines when I first saw it.

 

I never heard about Grimwoods connection to that mess though - it was a guy with some kind of Germanic accent doing it. Anyone know what the Grimwood connection was? His reach seemed to exceed his grasp pretty consistently.

 

Also, was there ever an Ariel 48 finished? A couple of years ago Plavsic's partner in that project was advertizing a partly completed one for sale as a project - fairly healthy price kept it from selling IIRC.

I'd have to look at my IOR files but "that" Locura was 39' but they built it with rules an after thought. I was designed to win SORC. I have remember it rated around 31.5 or more. I've got the certificate somewhere.

 

The germanic guy was Dutch (or at least it was flagged that way) but that shouldn't be a big surprise eh? I don't know the actual connection but I use to see Grimwood and the "Greek" going at it regularly in Wounded Knee where boats go to die. Now there's a match made in heaven if there was one! Then Grimwood got into powerboats but that ended badly too. And don't get me started with the Greek. Another never ending story.

 

A don't really know what happened to the Ariel 48 at the end of the day and maybe Chris/Race Rocks sold it or dumpstered it. It sat there for 15 years?

I don't know who the Greek was but I'd love to hear your war stories. Like Olympia Dukakis said in Steel Magnolias - "If you don't have anything good to say about anyone, come sit by me".

 

Chris didn't trash the Ariel plug - he finally settled with Grimwood and the boat was taken away. It wasted space at RR for closer to 20 years. A shame - if it had been finished while the hull was still bright it would have been spectacular. Plavsic's designs weren't great but they were designed at a workmanlike level and looked good. They were certainly full of enthusiasm.

 I've got lots of them mate. "Er.... you want to do what?" I've seen a lot of that of the years: Things that make you go.......hmmmm. Sort of like the Whitbread challenge guy that owned Locura before that. The big blue ULDB that got hit by lightening and fixing it with silly putty. Or chained to the dock before a Maui race. It never ends with guys like that. Ask FastRobert from here about this sometime if you got a couple of days.

 

And no worries. I hope Chris got something out of it. I stopped caring after awhile. Mr. Plasvic is a character that's for sure but he really did do what he set out to do. Too bad the Ariel didn't get there. Maybe a little misguided somewhat but has flair and a modicum of class. Not like some of these mutts.

 

Maybe I should collaborate with my friend Keith Lorence with his book. We know a lot of the same people, stories and good laughs about shit like that.