How is the performance of the 25c (with R.S. aboard) relevant to the f-24s or the f-22r?
Exactly. Debates on which boats will be faster, can be endless, and different designs are different designs. For most it is also far more important to have a roomy, practical and reliable boat rather than a fast one. If 'fast' was important, then everyone would be driving Lotus 7s, or sailing oversize day sailors, or C class cats. But such craft are usually very uncomfortable, wet, no good for cruising, and as a result not very popular.
As designer of the majority of folding trimarans around, and knowing all the factors involved, I can say the production F-22R will be the fastest boat of its type, based on the numbers, and having been improved in so many ways. It has my latest hull shapes, along with slimmer higher set beams, plus a much improved structure, and it is relatively easy to ensure the required performance level during the design stage. The F-22 will also have floats as big as they can be right from the start, but more importantly, with the extra buoyancy in the right places, being designed completely new from scratch to match the F-22s main hull and the F-22R taller rig.
The only real question is how much performance does one really want? I prefer good all round boats, where one can have both high performance and room, coupled with good safety margins. So I prefer not to go overboard on the rig, and work instead on making the whole boat as efficient as possible.
It is also important not to have just one model trying to be everything. Thus two rigs will be offered for the F-22, a standard rig for cruising and a taller 'R' rig for racing. Having two rigs means one can be sure the standard F-22 is not an overpowered racer pretending to be a cruiser. Such boats have even capsized on their delivery voyages, which is not a good look. The standard F-22 can thus be a truly safe and easy to handle cruiser with a sensible light rig, and a boat that will not scare friends or family, who usually only want a pleasant sail.
On the other hand, with no need to pretend to be a cruiser, the production F-22R can have a taller and much more aggressive racing rig, and thus be more what experienced racing crews want. Better, it still comes with good room inside, so can still be used as a cruiser by experienced sailors, or with a smaller set of cruising sails when needed.
But in spite of all the arguments, the most important factor remains the hand on the tiller. The best skippers will always count for far more than a taller rig, and it can be easy for a slow boat in good hands to beat a fast boat in unskilled hands. Hence these debates can be pointless, and it really is better to just go and enjoy the sailing.
And most important of all...
Mr. Farrier, How much is the 22R gonna cost!!!????
Which is the really hard question! Target prices in the US market for the standard F-22 currently range from around $25,000 for a basic kit to around US$48,000 for a basic sail away production boat, while the F-22R will cost more. It should also be emphasized that the prices given are only estimates and will vary over time, plus they are for high volume series production boats, not for low volume or professionally built 'one off' hulls or components. However, as always stated, these are target prices, and I will not be able to give an accurate price until after we have built the first few boats, and final pricing will depend on a number of factors, including the strength of the US dollar at that time. The above US dollar prices would have been higher the past few months for instance, but the US dollar has strengthened by around 5% the past week, meaning the stated price targets could be feasible once more.
The production F-22 main hull is also now trimmed, and waiting for the deck. Can be seen at:
Still some work to go on the deck itself however, as it is probably the one area with most changes/improvements from past designs. But at least the deck plug is now the focus of our attention.
Fast designs + room
(and they work well too)