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#801 lake Pee

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:36 AM

Not much different than on the trailer, just uses deck mounted jib winch instead of the trailer mounted winch to pull the mast up.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:31 AM

Just back from an awesome trip of both NZ islands starting with the Christchurch factory (where else?).

 

I got a good dose of "why we need to be patient" not from the designer but from the boat itself. Again, I am of course biassed as the aussie dealer, but I was just not prepared for:

1. The build quality

2. The room in the thing.

 

I am 172 cm and the pic shows 30 cm above my head to the board case with feet near the pointy end. Compared to the 24, my wife and I used to have to sleep with heads separated by the case, and meet in the morning for a smooch. We were both gobsmacked with the size feeling more like a 28, and then there was more space again when we sat up and had the view out the little windows. The side berths are bigger again, so families of 4 or crews on overnight cruises will love this true pocket maxi.

The cockpit just feels great with nice access to the nets, and I will certainly be adding the back rests for cruising.

 

I was also not prepared for how cool the trailer would be, security even at my local club will be an issue once guys see this trailer porn.

 

My only disappointment was missing out on a sail due to a combination of weather and the driveway excavations at the factory.

 

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:50 PM

Just back from an awesome trip of both NZ islands starting with the Christchurch factory (where else?).

 

I got a good dose of "why we need to be patient" not from the designer but from the boat itself. Again, I am of course biassed as the aussie dealer, but I was just not prepared for:

1. The build quality

2. The room in the thing.

 

I am 172 cm and the pic shows 30 cm above my head to the board case with feet near the pointy end. Compared to the 24, my wife and I used to have to sleep with heads separated by the case, and meet in the morning for a smooch. We were both gobsmacked with the size feeling more like a 28, and then there was more space again when we sat up and had the view out the little windows. The side berths are bigger again, so families of 4 or crews on overnight cruises will love this true pocket maxi.

The cockpit just feels great with nice access to the nets, and I will certainly be adding the back rests for cruising.

 

I was also not prepared for how cool the trailer would be, security even at my local club will be an issue once guys see this trailer porn.

 

My only disappointment was missing out on a sail due to a combination of weather and the driveway excavations at the factory.

 

Bring it on!attachicon.gifDSCF2979.JPG

First you were kissing the bow and now you are laying down with her.  At least you kept your pants on for the photo!  :wub:



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:24 PM

So does that mean that the daggerboard case is more than 30 cm further from the bow than it is on the 24?

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:44 PM

So does that mean that the daggerboard case is more than 30 cm further from the bow than it is on the 24?

 

probably more room in the bow meaning feet can be more forward

 

looks like they are right up in the V



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:03 PM

I'm guessing the distance from the from the bow to the daggerboard case is close to the same as the 24, but a diagonal line from the bow out along the edge of the v-berth at the hull is a bit longer due to the space inside much wider at the bulkhead.  Also, the daggerboard case is probably narrower than the F-24 due to the higher aspect daggerboard.



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:08 PM

So does that mean that the daggerboard case is more than 30 cm further from the bow than it is on the 24?

 

probably more room in the bow meaning feet can be more forward

 

looks like they are right up in the V

 

Probably a bit of both considering you are supposed to be able to reach the halyard clutch at the bottom of the mast from the cockpit: I definitely can't reach the mast base without at least lying down on the hatch on the my 24 so the mast may be a bit further back (and therefore the DB as well), unless it's just the cabin that is shorter...



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:47 PM

Yes to eric and all. It feels like the narrower case plus the lack of beam mechanism intrusion plus the heer height due to changed cabin top has created the spacious feel. I haven't started the old aged shrinking yet.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:39 AM

The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 04:52 AM

The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

Yes to that, and still not a heap down in tootsie corner, but in the tradefoof for anchor space and feet space, Ian has gone for a fairly shallow anchor well that will fit all the flat (but still wide) anchors. If I carry my beloved Manson Supreme 15 lb, I may trial leaving the well lid off and build a soft convex outer hatch cover for cruising. This will replace the detachable lid (all works easy with velcro) during long cruises in areas that I need a bigger pick.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:15 AM

Just back from an awesome trip of both NZ islands starting with the Christchurch factory (where else?).

 

I got a good dose of "why we need to be patient" not from the designer but from the boat itself. Again, I am of course biassed as the aussie dealer, but I was just not prepared for:

1. The build quality

2. The room in the thing.

 

I am 172 cm and the pic shows 30 cm above my head to the board case with feet near the pointy end. Compared to the 24, my wife and I used to have to sleep with heads separated by the case, and meet in the morning for a smooch. We were both gobsmacked with the size feeling more like a 28, and then there was more space again when we sat up and had the view out the little windows. The side berths are bigger again, so families of 4 or crews on overnight cruises will love this true pocket maxi.

The cockpit just feels great with nice access to the nets, and I will certainly be adding the back rests for cruising.

 

I was also not prepared for how cool the trailer would be, security even at my local club will be an issue once guys see this trailer porn.

 

My only disappointment was missing out on a sail due to a combination of weather and the driveway excavations at the factory.

 

Bring it on!attachicon.gifDSCF2979.JPG

If you have any more pictures that you can share, that would be great! I think I am joneses as much as you are, I just live a long ways away.

Thanks

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:22 AM

I'm having trouble visualizing the process for raising the mast on the water!  Perhaps a description or even a timelapse video?  I guess I have no right to ask, since I have no money to put where my mouth is.

 

It has always been possible on my designs, one just uses a spinnaker block attached to the bow chainplate and a line back from the jib halyard to a cabin top winch. In fact we always raised the F-27 mast on the water before the Newport-Ensenada Race, as one had to pass under a low bridge after launching.

 

However, always an after thought, and not specifically designed in as it is now in the F-22.

 

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Photos show the basic sequence, and it can be done folded or unfolded on the water as well, single-handed too. But one has to have it all setup properly, with a good mast control system, plus the right mast supports fore and aft, and the rollers properly setup so that the mast can be rolled to and fro easily from on the boat. Do it right and even a small side chop can be handled, while the really nice thing is a launching time of just 5 minutes. Just take off the trailer tie downs and launch.

 

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No videos or photos on the water yet, but they will come - just concentrating on more substantive things at the present.

 

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 06:49 PM

The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

 

There's more  height there in the F-22, with 40mm (1 1/2") more at aft end of well, and 80mm (3") more at forward end. Anchor well is around 25mm deeper too. A photo shows it best

 

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And here's the anchor well with plenty of room for a Manson R4 anchor:

 

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 08:56 PM

Good to see a decent anchor well. So often anchor storage is totally inadequate.

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:01 AM

 


The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

Yes to that, and still not a heap down in tootsie corner, but in the tradefoof for anchor space and feet space, Ian has gone for a fairly shallow anchor well that will fit all the flat (but still wide) anchors. If I carry my beloved Manson Supreme 15 lb, I may trial leaving the well lid off and build a soft convex outer hatch cover for cruising. This will replace the detachable lid (all works easy with velcro) during long cruises in areas that I need a bigger pick.

 

An even better option, if you want a large anchor on board when cruising, is to use the new wide format pulpit, as this can be set up to carry an anchor just like the bow wing on the F-32 and F-33.

 

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It would be an easy matter to set up some chocks or brackets to hold the anchor in position shown, and ready for instant use. The new pulpit can also be setup to slide out sideways to give even more room.

 

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 09:37 PM

Definitely the way to go. Leave the big anchor in the car when racing and store it on the bow, ready to use when cruising. I would be leaving the bowsprit in the car when cruising too.

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 05:52 PM

The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

 

There's more  height there in the F-22, with 40mm (1 1/2") more at aft end of well, and 80mm (3") more at forward end. Anchor well is around 25mm deeper too. A photo shows it best

 

attachicon.gifAnchorwell.jpg

 

And here's the anchor well with plenty of room for a Manson R4 anchor:

 

attachicon.gifAnchor-well.jpg

 

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Which interior finish option is this?  I can't tell if it is painted or a liner from the pic.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 05:58 PM

 

The thing that always cramped me the most in the forepeak of my f242 is the lack of vertcal space between the bottom of the anchor locker and the top of the vee berth.

 

There's more  height there in the F-22, with 40mm (1 1/2") more at aft end of well, and 80mm (3") more at forward end. Anchor well is around 25mm deeper too. A photo shows it best

 

attachicon.gifAnchorwell.jpg

 

And here's the anchor well with plenty of room for a Manson R4 anchor:

 

attachicon.gifAnchor-well.jpg

 

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Which interior finish option is this?  I can't tell if it is painted or a liner from the pic.

 

Just painted - I avoid interior liners as they are just too heavy and can cover up things one may want to access later on.

 

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 05:21 PM

Anchor well? Pffft... next thing you know the thing will have a shitter on it :-)

 

Any plans to take it out against the 8.5 fleet or are they too far away?



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Posted 17 February 2014 - 06:55 PM

Anchor well? Pffft... next thing you know the thing will have a shitter on it :-)

 

Any plans to take it out against the 8.5 fleet or are they too far away?

 

Too far away, plus racing against a specialist racing fleet of larger boats has never been much of a priority, even though it would be interesting. A safe roomy comfortable boat that really works well, yet still has more then enough speed for most, has always been the preferred target.

 

But right now I have to concentrate on ramping up production, and there are plenty of others who will be racing them soon enough. However, once true production is up and running then a future F-22XR class racing version could be tempting.

 

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 08:27 PM

Anchor well? Pffft... next thing you know the thing will have a shitter on it :-)
 
Any plans to take it out against the 8.5 fleet or are they too far away?

 
Too far away, plus racing against a specialist racing fleet of larger boats has never been much of a priority, even though it would be interesting. A safe roomy comfortable boat that really works well, yet still has more then enough speed for most, has always been the preferred target.
 
But right now I have to concentrate on ramping up production, and there are plenty of others who will be racing them soon enough. However, once true production is up and running then a future F-22XR class racing version could be tempting.
 
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Peter Hackett is champing at the bit to get out there racing the production F-22R but unfortunately won't have it at Pt
Lincoln next week for the Nationals. Slick with S'knot continues to fly the plan built F-22R flag.

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 02:58 PM

Some new pic's of a launching.

 

http://www.f-boat.co...actory2014.html

 

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:01 PM

New update!

 

"I now have the revised and updated F-22 Specifications available at:

http://www.f-boat.co...pecs/index.html

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 04:42 PM

I wonder if they will offer the cuddy cabin version in the first round of production?

If not, when will it be available?

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 07:52 PM

The first UK cuddy cabin kit will be Hull#40

I wonder if they will offer the cuddy cabin version in the first round of production?

If not, when will it be available?

 

 

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 10:37 PM

Thanks Paul.

 

I am looking forward to seeing it!



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 10:58 PM

Although I am going for a full cabin boat, the plan built cuddy I have been sailing is quite a surprising boat. The convenience for day sailing and racing made us giggle, all the controls and lines from mast are right in front of you, it is easy to get forward trim by just sliding your bum while giggling, and bodies at the end of the day would be sitting or lying all over the boat.

The other surprise was that you could sleep 4 but just had to organise the ingress and egress carefully. With the hatch so close to the board case, there is only room for one to stand at a time. The room under the cockpit floor was loooong, one guy on board planned a series of iceboxes on tracks that could provide food and drink for 20.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:33 PM

Now that sounds like innovative use of the space! Add in a well placed access hatch in the floor, and all of your beer stocks are available from on deck. 

 


 The room under the cockpit floor was loooong, one guy on board planned a series of iceboxes on tracks that could provide food and drink for 20.
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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:55 PM

Were you there at the discussion? That was suggested so you could back up on the beach and pull the iceboxes/eskies out of a back toybox hatch near the rudder, like where the jetskis come out of superyacht transoms. We discounted the idea as silly, but leading a train of 4 iceboxes on wheels up the beach to happy hour would be fun.

Now just to find a good waterproof access hatch....



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 03:09 AM

I certainly wasn't there, but that sounds like the sort of thing that would really start converting mono sailors to multis. 

I'ts Friday afternoon, and beers are on my mind



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

As a former Sprint sailer, I am in favor of the cuddy for the above reasons. I'm now curious about how the cb trunk affects the floor. Are there any photos of the trunk?

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 08:50 AM

As a former Sprint sailer, I am in favor of the cuddy for the above reasons. I'm now curious about how the cb trunk affects the floor. Are there any photos of the trunk?

 

The following should give you an idea of how centerboard case is fitted, and the room available inside a plan built boat. Production version has slightly more room with a larger opening in forward beam bulkhead:

 

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Case is offset, which means there is plenty of floor space.

 

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:17 AM

Ian, Will the R and XR versions have the offset case?

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:17 PM

I can take a guess at Ian's response.  The "R" version is the same as the "standard" version except for a taller rig and deeper rudder.  These models are available with daggerboard or optional centerboard.  The XR version is not a released design yet but is less likely to have a centerboard option.  It will be interesting to see if the XR version ends up being a full or cuddy cabin.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:21 PM

I just spend a week crewing on a very green plan built F22R.  It was a lot of fun, but we couldn't keep up with the bigger Fboats in choppy water which was frustrating.  I suppose you can't defy physics. 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:15 PM

Ian, Will the R and XR versions have the offset case?

 

It will be optional on the F-22R, but not on the F-22XR, which is intended to be a true class racer, with no variations permitted. It will have the daggerboard case only.

 

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:48 PM

I just spend a week crewing on a very green plan built F22R.  It was a lot of fun, but we couldn't keep up with the bigger Fboats in choppy water which was frustrating.  I suppose you can't defy physics. 


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:31 PM

However, always an after thought, and not specifically designed in as it is now in the F-22.

Is that because the F22 is unstable when folded with the mast up?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:34 PM

Previous post refers to mast raising on the water.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:50 AM

However, always an after thought, and not specifically designed in as it is now in the F-22.

Is that because the F22 is unstable when folded with the mast up?

 

No, and it can actually heel right over to 25° with mast up and still have a very strong positive righting moment, the floats being very big. Our first boat is however light, and being bare inside it floats quite high with no one onboard, meaning it will heel 2 - 3° empty, which heavier or loaded boats will not. You can see this here:

 

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The only reason we looked at raising and lowering the mast on the water was the windage from our carbon wing mast when up in strong winds. It is only a small wing mast, but the windage generated from the taller R mast was surprising, making it hard to hold onto the boat at the dock in 20 knot winds. Covered in the February 12 posting on:

 

http://www.f-boat.co...actory2014.html

 

But now happy we took the time to do this, as once setup properly it actually seems much quicker. Launching time from arriving at the ramp is now only 5 minutes, and we unfold and raise mast while motoring out. Same with retrieving, as the mast can come down very fast:

 

http://www.farrierma...astLowering.mov

 

We then arrive at ramp with mast down, put it on trailer, tie and wash down, and can be gone in 5 minutes! Boat is also now a lamb with mast down while at the dock/ramp in strong cross winds. 

 

However, capsize while folded is always a risk with any folding trimaran and I take extra precautions on my larger designs with multiple warnings and a secondary wider folded position. But this has not been not necessary on the smaller ones. However, copiers would be wise to also copy this optional wider stance as well, as some have already had problems I hear, and we could all do without that.

 

This risk is also well covered in my Sailing Manual, and on my web page at:

 

http://www.f-boat.com/foldedstability/

 

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:05 PM

Buy an F-boat online. The store is now open.

 

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 06:58 AM

Buy an F-boat online. The store is now open.
 
http://www.f-boatmar...ome.php?cat=265



Good work . Pricing seems reasonable ...good luck Ian ,can't wait to see the two in Brisbane.

#843 pathsky

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:38 PM

The boats are getting closer. Very frustrating seeing pictures of my boat in Latest Production Pictures.

It's the one hanging off the gantry.

 

Ken

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The one with a boom.



#844 1airborne

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:33 PM

The boats are getting closer. Very frustrating seeing pictures of my boat in Latest Production Pictures.

It's the one hanging off the gantry.

 

Ken

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The one with a boom.

 

Soon I might know the same feeling. I am 3 boats after you.

Bill

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The one without the boom.






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