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#1 Kent H

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:29 AM

Announced two days ago J/70 will splash this fall. Should be around 25 feet and cost about the same as a Volvo station wagen.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:13 PM

what's the big deal until there is some info
who cares

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 04:19 PM

I could have swore J already had a successful 22 foot boat.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 04:26 PM

...and a 24', and a 26', and a 27', and a 29' and ......

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 05:12 PM

...and a 24', and a 26', and a 27', and a 29' and ......

...30,33,35,36,37,40,41,42,44,46,etc...

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:47 PM

for the metrically challenged, 7m=23', not 25. so a sporty boat actually a foot shorter than the venerable J/24, a foot longer than the J/22. I'd personally be more jazzed if it were a rebirth of the j/90, or a j/78, or something that's actually over 25'. the 20'er market seems pretty well defined now, but in the states there really aren't many choices of sporty boats in the 25 - 28' range, unless you want used. or a J/80 which, while having some strengths, isn't exactly a planing machine at least in New England.

Rodney will sell a ton of them I'm sure, but frankly even before seeing the drawings or design brief, I'm pretty disappointed.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 06:52 PM

J24-'s while nice are very far from actual one design. There has been so many subtle changes to them they need a refresh.

J-22's have no cockpit room. You get two people in there and your done.

a 22-24' day sailor boat open cockpit next to nothing for a cabin space, built out of modern materials to higher spec's would be great.

Think a 23' version of the J-80 . I have sailed on lots of different boats, and for bouy and short racing that small boats are raced on the open cockpits are far more comfortable than cramped ones.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 07:40 PM

Hmmm... make it something you can go moderately offshore in rather than another ballasted dinghy might be a unique entry. A lot of people want to short coastal stuff shorthanded and that might be a good size. Guys over in England do Cat 3 stuff in J80s no reason a 7m couldn't do it. J Boats seems ot be going for the IRC market but an IRC 7m boat would be shite...

#9 Kent H

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:32 PM

The best proposal for a 7 meter IMHO is the Dibley 23 footer. Dibleymarine.com I think.

Extremely well thought out for production and now is dirt cheap to build in all carbon. That is where this project should go.

They should just make a deal with Dibley and save a ton of time and cash. Spend their time on a designing some fifty footers.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:54 PM

Fleets are getting too big... same with the J80's. Time to introduce something that will reduce the size of those OD fleets... it's a safety issue really, sailboat racing is dangerous when you get more than a dozen boat's on the line. Good on Jboat's for introducing a new model every month or so to address this issue.

I could have swore J already had a successful 22 foot boat.



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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:23 PM

Fleets are getting too big... same with the J80's. Time to introduce something that will reduce the size of those OD fleets... it's a safety issue really, sailboat racing is dangerous when you get more than a dozen boat's on the line. Good on Jboat's for introducing a new model every month or so to address this issue.


I could have swore J already had a successful 22 foot boat.


Funny joke...

#12 Kent H

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:36 PM

Yes and I distinctly remember the first time I saw a J/22. Ronald Reagan was in his first term. Maddona was a one hit wonder and Oprah Winfrey would not debut her show for three more years.......

Twenty eight years is a pretty long production run.

RIP J/22 1983 -2011

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:24 AM

The J/80 didn't kill the J/24 so I doubt the new boat will kill the J/22. I don't think they compete with one another. J/22's are like Stars, iconic and people will always race them. I agree with some of the comments though that with J Boats there's a huge risk that the boat will be too heavy and under powdered to be a real sporty.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:03 PM

Plenty of speculation w/o any preliminary specs or drawings:...I bet if they stuck a J on the main of the FT 7.5, they'd sell a ton of them.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 06:47 PM

Plenty of speculation w/o any preliminary specs or drawings:...I bet if they stuck a J on the main of the FT 7.5, they'd sell a ton of them.



Really?
Sadly with AKAGP and enough said Stevens::ph34r: poluting the FT name I don't expect to see many people migrating to any of the FT products.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:22 PM

my point is that J could take what is apparently a very fine design at that 24-26ft range and sell the shit out of it.....forget AKAGP and Stevens...

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:43 PM

Um... JBoats is not going to take someone else's design and sell it. Generally companies are more successful making and selling their own stuff. JBoats is very good at doing that. They know they are not meeting the requirements of some anarchists. They are OK with that. They make a business decision to go with boats that have some compromises and are good all-around boats, and that they will not beat every other boat at it's own game.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 03:03 AM

It's the concept of the FT 7.5 design that im referring to, not literally that precise design...anyway, hopefully it will be a nice ride that will be well received...waiting paitently for my J70 email to arrive any day now!!

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:32 AM

Don't speculate until you see some facts. Keep an open mind and don't think of "replacement" as the word to be used in this situation.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:32 AM

Guys over in England do Cat 3 stuff in J80s no reason a 7m couldn't do it.


Really? Can you give some examples? I've seen J80s doing cat 4 events such as Nab Tower but cannot recall any doing cat 3. Also, quite apart from the mountain of safety gear that cat 3 requires, most offshore race organisers here specify a minimum stability screen system number (SSSN) for cat 3 events that a J80 would not achieve.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:35 AM

J/22's are like Stars, iconic and people will always race them.


Yeah they are just like Stars. It's years since I've seen either a J/22 or a Star.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 04:21 AM

Announced two days ago J/70 will splash this fall. Should be around 25 feet and cost about the same as a Volvo station wagen.



And sail like one too?

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 02:19 PM

Dogwatch - cat3 races by J80's in UK were fairly rare (mostly with JOG) now even less so. A few still in France around 100-150 miles.

I like the J80, it's greater stability vs other sports boats is a plus and the European fleets are really strong, with many 50-100 boat events each year to choose from.

I was given a heads up on the new 70 in January, it's going to be interesting to see and sail and complimentary to the J range.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 02:45 PM


Announced two days ago J/70 will splash this fall. Should be around 25 feet and cost about the same as a Volvo station wagen.



And sail like one too?


In the words fo Dudly Moore.
"THere Boxy, but there good"

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 03:02 PM


Announced two days ago J/70 will splash this fall. Should be around 25 feet and cost about the same as a Volvo station wagen.



And sail like one too?


Funny but no. When the J24 came out, they compared it to the cost of a Volvo station wagon. I bet it will be a cool boat that sails well, and they sell a ton of them.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 04:43 PM

Dogwatch - cat3 races by J80's in UK were fairly rare (mostly with JOG) now even less so.


Hmmm, I see JOG has dropped its min SSSN to 10/15 for cat4/cat3. It used to be 15/20. Quite a difference. Still not too sure how easily a J/80 is going to meet http://www.jog.org.u...List%202011.pdf and the JOG entry lists still aren't exactly full of what you'd call raceboats (as once upon a time they were).

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 09:28 PM

First rendering of the J/70 released today from J boats. Looks pretty J/80 to me.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:34 PM

Just checked. New Volvo Station Wagons are $33-40K, so the J/70 is going to cost the same as a used J/80 or a new J/22? Doubtful.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:05 PM

Looks like my U20...with a backstay.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:28 PM

Looks like my U20...with a backstay.

Andre - sadly - the U20 looks better with the more squared off stern section and the pole is kept out of the interior and no gaskets to worry about LOL.

I'd Put money on it that the U24 is still faster - lighter and more fun to sail too.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:09 AM

First rendering of the J/70 released today from J boats. Looks pretty J/80 to me.

dosen't look like my J/80!

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 02:26 AM


Looks like my U20...with a backstay.

Andre - sadly - the U20 looks better with the more squared off stern section and the pole is kept out of the interior and no gaskets to worry about LOL.

I'd Put money on it that the U24 is still faster - lighter and more fun to sail too.



LOL
U20 is an expert after seeing the one and only artists rendition of the boat. BTW if U20s are so uber cool why did you sell yours?
What do you think the chances are of J Boats selling more J70s than U20s and U24s combined during their first year of production?

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 03:21 AM

Boat looks cool. Cant wait to see what the program is in terms of hiking. Add a pad on the lines and go legs in like the M20 or contort yourself under that damn thing like you do on an 80.

BTW.. does anyone else thing the lifelines on a J80 are WAY too high? I digress....

Boat looks cool. Cant wait to see what the program is in terms of hiking. Add a pad on the lines and go legs in like the M20 or contort yourself under that damn thing like you do on an 80.

BTW.. does anyone else thing the lifelines on a J80 are WAY too high? I digress....

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 03:58 AM

looks a lot like what Mcalpine Downey designed and MFG's powerboat builders tried to build in the early 1970s...

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 04:25 AM

Dang. I signed up to "Be the first to learn more" at http://www.jboats.com/j70/, and now other people have seen the image before I did...

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 05:45 AM

Looks similar to the slightly larger J90..

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Bow on the U20,U24 is far less plumb.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 07:58 AM

Boat looks cool. Cant wait to see what the program is in terms of hiking. Add a pad on the lines and go legs in like the M20 or contort yourself under that damn thing like you do on an 80.


The J80 is a bitch to hike (so I'm told !), the life line is too high

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 07:18 PM

If she doesn't show up with chines and dual rudders there are more than a couple of NCal people here interested.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:57 AM

If she doesn't show up with chines and dual rudders there are more than a couple of NCal people here interested.



She'll also have to have at least 400 lbs of ballast to qualify for NCPHRF until a one design fleet is established.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 07:34 PM


If she doesn't show up with chines and dual rudders there are more than a couple of NCal people here interested.



She'll also have to have at least 400 lbs of ballast to qualify for NCPHRF until a one design fleet is established.



I would assume a 7 meter boat would almost have to have 4 bills in the keel....

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 07:36 PM

I have no idea why people are saying it looks like a J80, J90, or U20. It really looks nothing like any of them. Maybe, it looks kinda like a smaller Farr25.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:35 AM

I have no idea why people are saying it looks like a J80, J90, or U20. It really looks nothing like any of them. Maybe, it looks kinda like a smaller Farr25.


Looks like the FT7.5 more than the others.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:30 PM

Why a cabin top?

PS- can't Volvo wagons be pretty pricey? :huh:

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:09 PM


I have no idea why people are saying it looks like a J80, J90, or U20. It really looks nothing like any of them. Maybe, it looks kinda like a smaller Farr25.


Looks like the FT7.5 more than the others.

Not so much...

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:53 PM



Looks like my U20...with a backstay.

Andre - sadly - the U20 looks better with the more squared off stern section and the pole is kept out of the interior and no gaskets to worry about LOL.

I'd Put money on it that the U24 is still faster - lighter and more fun to sail too.



LOL
U20 is an expert after seeing the one and only artists rendition of the boat. BTW if U20s are so uber cool why did you sell yours?
What do you think the chances are of J Boats selling more J70s than U20s and U24s combined during their first year of production?


Monster - change in plans unlike many I'd rather see my boat used than sit in the yard wasting away because I don't have time to race her. Trust me selling the boat hand nothing to do with the boat and everything to do with my available time to do so. But you seem to be an expert please share.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 03:17 AM



I have no idea why people are saying it looks like a J80, J90, or U20. It really looks nothing like any of them. Maybe, it looks kinda like a smaller Farr25.


Looks like the FT7.5 more than the others.

Not so much...

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Apt comparison to the J/111

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 10:24 PM

Looks exactly like the Farr 25 OD http://www.farrdesign.com/667.htm

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 03:25 PM

Looks exactly like the Farr 25 OD http://www.farrdesign.com/667.htm



I think you're letting you eyes be decieved by the red stripe.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:31 AM

If she doesn't show up with chines and dual rudders there are more than a couple of NCal people here interested.


Offshore shorthander.......

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 08:17 AM



I have no idea why people are saying it looks like a J80, J90, or U20. It really looks nothing like any of them. Maybe, it looks kinda like a smaller Farr25.


Looks like the FT7.5 more than the others.

Not so much...

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Agree it looks like a mini j/111 - which can't be a bad thing.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:48 PM

I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:00 AM

I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

So, here's a challenge for ya:

Go build 500 boats, and sell them to a wide variety of people sailing in a wide variety of places, with a wide variety of ideas about how to take care of those boats. Then keep track of how many keels fall off!

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:43 PM

I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....


Like it or not, J Boats is one of the most successful boat designers/manufactures and marketing companies out there.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:30 PM


I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

So, here's a challenge for ya:

Go build 500 boats, and sell them to a wide variety of people sailing in a wide variety of places, with a wide variety of ideas about how to take care of those boats. Then keep track of how many keels fall off!


500 ??
1000++ !

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 12:07 AM


I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

So, here's a challenge for ya:

Go build 500 boats, and sell them to a wide variety of people sailing in a wide variety of places, with a wide variety of ideas about how to take care of those boats. Then keep track of how many keels fall off!


Yeah, you know...like the Ford Pinto...it was only one in about 100 that flamed when hit from behind, incinerating all aboard, but the other 99 Pinto owners and passengers LOVED em!

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 03:21 AM



I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

So, here's a challenge for ya:

Go build 500 boats, and sell them to a wide variety of people sailing in a wide variety of places, with a wide variety of ideas about how to take care of those boats. Then keep track of how many keels fall off!


Yeah, you know...like the Ford Pinto...it was only one in about 100 that flamed when hit from behind, incinerating all aboard, but the other 99 Pinto owners and passengers LOVED em!


Really? Somebody loved the Pinto? We are talking about the car, not the horse, right?
(Now the Bobcat, that was a car!)

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 04:55 PM

I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....



It was only 2 of over 1200 built. Not saying that makes keels falling off right, but there are lots of variables involved. You just trying to start a shit fight?

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 01:28 PM

Any new news?

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 02:00 PM




I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

So, here's a challenge for ya:

Go build 500 boats, and sell them to a wide variety of people sailing in a wide variety of places, with a wide variety of ideas about how to take care of those boats. Then keep track of how many keels fall off!


Yeah, you know...like the Ford Pinto...it was only one in about 100 that flamed when hit from behind, incinerating all aboard, but the other 99 Pinto owners and passengers LOVED em!


Really? Somebody loved the Pinto? We are talking about the car, not the horse, right?
(Now the Bobcat, that was a car!)

I prefered the Gremlin

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 11:03 AM

Any new news?

+1

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 03:37 PM

well?

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:44 AM

You never, ever see Gremlins anymore.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 06:08 PM

I hope for them the keels don't fall of like on a few of the j 80....

weren't you involved in the FT10?

wow, that is chutzpa.....your cheap shitbox required a complete rebuild to be seaworthy.....and you have the balls to comment on a success like the J80?

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:17 AM

Well? Where are the pictures of hull #1 being built?

J/Boats says on their site "sea-trialing fall 2011" and we're just about there.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:30 AM

Well? Where are the pictures of hull #1 being built?

J/Boats says on their site "sea-trialing fall 2011" and we're just about there.


Sailing world has a short writeup on it.

http://www.sailingworld.com/sailboats/big-fun-in-small-packages-j-boats

I lost interest when I heard they were being built in China.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 04:32 PM

Really? Why?

While I'd love to see them built in the US, I don't think it can be done at a low enough price point that you can sell them. If Sailing World is right about $45k for boat/sails/trailer...

Also heard from that hiking will be legs out not in, and it will be a fat head main with backstay, not a squaretop.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:14 PM

I guess that rules out Rod taking one to Off Soundings for the Fall, but I bet we see it at Spring off soundings, just like he brought the J/95. $45k for that size boat is pretty damn good these days, though yeah I'd rather see them give that kind of business to the US instead of china. I wish they'd show something more than a damn "rendering" though. and I wish it were a J/77 or J/78 instead of a J/7, but... can't have everything.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 07:47 PM

Bits + pieces manufactured in China, final assembly in Portsmouth (Randy)

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:30 PM

how heavy

will j/boats really build light enough to be considered a sportsboat?

j/boat M.O. = maximising profits, and easy prod durability says low-tech glasswork = weight

not a sportsboat if it's heavy

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:38 PM

how heavy

will j/boats really build light enough to be considered a sportsboat?

j/boat M.O. = maximising profits, and easy prod durability says low-tech glasswork = weight

not a sportsboat if it's heavy

there's some truth in that.....some.
but that very same MO also tends to lead to boats that have a shelf life. not being replaced every three years to stay competitive.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:00 PM

Well, seeing as brothercousin Jim got divorced and moved to Fujian to run the Asia branch of the family business, no surprises.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:18 PM

how heavy

will j/boats really build light enough to be considered a sportsboat?

j/boat M.O. = maximising profits, and easy prod durability says low-tech glasswork = weight

not a sportsboat if it's heavy

Thought you already knew how heavy it was? That was the reason you used to shoot down my suggestion that it would be an Olympic suggestion for a sportsboat. Jumping off a bit before you actually know what you're talking about?

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:14 PM

This has been a very low key marketing exercise for J Boats, no mold pics, no production pics etc, etc. Perhaps its not going so well.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:23 PM

This has been a very low key marketing exercise for J Boats, no mold pics, no production pics etc, etc. Perhaps its not going so well.


20ft sport boat costs about the same to build as a 24ft sport boat chances are the marketing budget for it represents the very thin profit they would get compared to say a J111 etc.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:23 PM

This has been a very low key marketing exercise for J Boats, no mold pics, no production pics etc, etc. Perhaps its not going so well.

...or perhaps they've finally learned that anything released prematurely (ie.,before it is carved in stone) just winds up being ammo for the hacks on some forums to use to bash them. I suspect when there is something definitive to say or show it will appear.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:32 PM


This has been a very low key marketing exercise for J Boats, no mold pics, no production pics etc, etc. Perhaps its not going so well.


20ft sport boat costs about the same to build as a 24ft sport boat chances are the marketing budget for it represents the very thin profit they would get compared to say a J111 etc.



How about their web-site?

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 03:16 AM

Never show a fools work half done.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 04:30 AM

From an anarchist in the Northeast...

"The J/70 master hull plug is finished and hull molding is underway. The hull form was initially cut with an extremely precise 5-axis robotic milling machine and then faired and long-boarded to match hull fairing templates. The master hull plug has been mirror-finished to millimeter tolerances, assuring sailors of strict, international one-design sailing. The project timeline has two J/70's sailing before the end of 2011. Full production is expected to begin by January 2012 with the first shipments to North America and Europe arriving by late February/early March. Due to overwhelmingly interest worldwide, plans are already in place to build additional tooling to assist with the ramp-up as well to fast-track a European start-up in 2012 for additional international sailing events.

For more J/70 Speedster sailing information and latest developments here.
http://www.jboats.com/j70"

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 05:12 AM

Good to see they listened to me :)
I'm glad to see that they didn't follow the trend with chines.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:34 AM

Looking at the deck rendering I hope J boats will re-design the layout, genoa winch way to far aft and it is not from 2011/2012 anymore not to have a transvere genoa track. They should have come up with something more clever.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 12:16 PM

williwaw you josh huh


the 'tracks' you're looking at is the boom vang ! the jib tracks are 2000s 'normal' ?

winches no idea why

funny how they need to mention a dynamic (inferring auto) rig, yet admit it needs an adjusting backstay to make it dynamic !
of course big backstay loads reduce a topmasts ability to fully react

trad single backstays are kinda last century on SBs this size, but it's obvious they are taking alot of cues (treading safely) from the '90s m24





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Posted 15 September 2011 - 01:25 PM

Fortunately I know the difference between a boom vang and genoatracks.
It is from last century putting on longitudial jibtracks on a new sportsboat.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 01:52 PM

it's still pretty normal around here,

show us a pic

under 8mtr boat so not comparing apples w/ oranges, not a 'yacht' or keelboat
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i guess it's just terminology but we ain't seen a genoa on a sportsboat for a while now !

on another note winches aren't used here either


heres the Longzte which is new-ish and apparently all the rage in yr part of the globe ( 54 boat regatta)

i think the little j/boat is in line w this

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 02:09 PM

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 02:12 PM

Mr C - thanks for the post - first new info I've seen in a while despite registering my interest with the J agent here.

At 7m I think you don't need winches, just. SB3/M20/M24/1720 don't have them although in heavier air the loads on the kite sheet are reasonably heavy on these boats, above what the average female sailor can handle comfortably. J80 has winches of course. I have no issue with fore/aft jib tracks, nor a backstay and traveller set up - it's what we all know and understand. I would observe than on the M20 with it's mainsheet only setup if you don't get the rig tune right for the conditions you are stuffed - the range of tuning on the adjustable shrouds is for tweaking only.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 02:35 PM

agree with that , I was with you till the last sentence

confusing a mainsheet with backstay use is a yacht thing and doesn't take into consideration dynamic or auto rig like the antipodean boats and the Vipe, Longzte

look at the VX

sportsboats have been taking cues off skiff style rigs for a long time now and its not new tech, now legacy,
backstay tension would stop a dynamic rig, well ? being dynamic
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winches ... even the more powerful of the 8mtr boats don't use winches, multi-part jib sheeting and 2x3" ratchets PER side for the kite
on a big reach u might need 2 blokes on the kite but not W/L racing

we could not consider a man down off the hiking bench twirling a winch

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 03:03 PM

J/Boats is normally a little more conservative and evolutionary in their approach. They are not setting out to build a cutting edge sport boat. Just like the J/111 isn't cutting edge. What it is, and what I suspect the target is for the J/70 is a fast (but not the fastest) responsive (but not so responsive that only olympic class helmsmen candrive), tuneable (but not so tweaky that if you're off slightly you'll be instantly spit out the back of the fleet) fun to sail boat that appeal to a wide range of potential customers....And I mean that as a compliment. I think the J/111 hit it's mark exactly and is a great boat. In fact as I look at J/Boats J/70 pages, I don't see a single use of the word "sportboat" in any of their addvertising or description of the boat.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 03:42 PM

J/Boats is normally a little more conservative and evolutionary in their approach. They are not setting out to build a cutting edge sport boat. Just like the J/111 isn't cutting edge. What it is, and what I suspect the target is for the J/70 is a fast (but not the fastest) responsive (but not so responsive that only olympic class helmsmen candrive), tuneable (but not so tweaky that if you're off slightly you'll be instantly spit out the back of the fleet) fun to sail boat that appeal to a wide range of potential customers....And I mean that as a compliment. I think the J/111 hit it's mark exactly and is a great boat. In fact as I look at J/Boats J/70 pages, I don't see a single use of the word "sportboat" in any of their addvertising or description of the boat.


I think you have it right.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 04:11 PM

williwaw you josh huh


the 'tracks' you're looking at is the boom vang ! the jib tracks are 2000s 'normal' ?

winches no idea why

funny how they need to mention a dynamic (inferring auto) rig, yet admit it needs an adjusting backstay to make it dynamic !
of course big backstay loads reduce a topmasts ability to fully react

trad single backstays are kinda last century on SBs this size, but it's obvious they are taking alot of cues (treading safely) from the '90s m24


Of all the comparables, I think the J/70 is going to be closest to M24 in size/weight/use but come in 200 lbs lighter and 10-15k cheaper than the aging (but still best) production one-design sportboat in the marketplace. It's almost impossible to get a good M24 these days without spending around 60k or more for a new one, even a good used one is still 45k+, and J/Boats is betting on the design parameters and their proven distribution and marketing...over 100 orders already...

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 06:04 PM

have they got the Sportsboat bit right

genoa ?

headsail winch ?

why ?


I would pile on with "a forward hatch"?

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 07:20 AM

Melges 20 has a forward hatch too, very useful.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:04 AM

I don't see a single use of the word "sportboat" in any of their advertising or description of the boat.

no they reserve that for the rocketship j/80, the j/70s image and terminology must be fresh* so they can't use that for their 'speedster'

*unlike the 20 yr old design they are mimicing

Clean you reckon they might be light ? ? h ah ha ha h hah ha
that would be lke the sb3 being light, if J were to come out at a weight thats not embarrasing they would have done so already

How ill a boat this size go with 3 people upwind? I'll tell you -- WEIGHT, they don't need to be light as you mention the J kool aid drinkers have already ordered 100 (without knowing the weight btw) and they will market it, as you point out

like the sb3 it will be built low tech prod fashion to maximise profits and durability, this generally results in a boat twice as heavy as need be like the sb3 laser, hobie beach cats etc
these Cos. are in the business of profits only and know the formula well

like the sb3 they will not be able to 'trick' sportsboat sailors on Anarchy and dumb down category, you aren't a sportsboat at keelboat DLrs

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:13 AM


I don't see a single use of the word "sportboat" in any of their addvertising or description of the boat.

no they reserve that for the j/80, the j/70s image and terminology must be fresh* so they can't use that for their 'speedster'

*unlike the 20 yr old design they are mimicing

Clean you reckon they might be light ? ? h ah ha ha h hah ha

dreamin pal






no...it's not dreamin...it's you type casting whinger boy.

go and sail any of the boats you are criticising well. Get a result and then someone may take your collection of sportboat memorabilia with some credence. until then disagree rather than challenge and you might actually learn something too.

fuck knows you need to. slow as an old mole

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:19 AM

where was i slow

12/1 thrashing you

put on a sportsboat 'type' as helm you failed to get to the 1st top mark 2 of 2,
being 'uncomfortable about this' , never to be seen again

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:21 AM

where was i slow


hahahahaha

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:24 AM

well lets put it another way

tomorrow i'm asked to go on the boat you could not sail ONE LEG on cos you shit yaself, and thats a 30

my record on SBs is series pointscore placings or wins every year i've been out, and that just at home,
i been doing it way prior on the nat circuit before the local stuff started

you haven't been on a SB since the mid 90s ? back to GA with the other ex-sailors

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:29 AM

well lets put it another way

tomorrow i'm asked to go on the boat you could not sail ONE LEG on cos you shit yaself

my record on SBs is pointscore placings and wins every year i've been out, and that just at home


ahahahahahahahaha. love yer werk

it is whatever you think it is Davey...R U O K?

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:40 AM

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anyone got the skinny on this boats weight ?

will the Hull be single skin or cored


posterity...some editing going on. slow as usual

ok...it's friday night...gotta go...you keep strong gobby. go fast

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:48 AM

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anyone got the skinny on this boats weight ?

will the Hull be single skin or cored



this is Anarchy with the reputation of 'heard it here first" after all

can Clean break the 'veil of secrecy'

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 03:00 PM


J/Boats is normally a little more conservative and evolutionary in their approach. They are not setting out to build a cutting edge sport boat. Just like the J/111 isn't cutting edge. What it is, and what I suspect the target is for the J/70 is a fast (but not the fastest) responsive (but not so responsive that only olympic class helmsmen candrive), tuneable (but not so tweaky that if you're off slightly you'll be instantly spit out the back of the fleet) fun to sail boat that appeal to a wide range of potential customers....And I mean that as a compliment. I think the J/111 hit it's mark exactly and is a great boat. In fact as I look at J/Boats J/70 pages, I don't see a single use of the word "sportboat" in any of their addvertising or description of the boat.


I think you have it right.

I concur




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