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[SW Sailor]

Not exactly news from SF.

But, today BBC reports a 25% unemployment rate in Spain.

With 50% of young people being out of work.

Bloody 'ell!

Valencia could use an AC regatta.

Now!

Do you really think an AC regatta would solve a 25% unemployment issue ?

[Observer]

Some tweaking on the Piers 27/29 village design have taken place... not surprising though.

definitely fewer AC 72s and superyachts in the picture!

Reality is setting in .

Whats still kind of amazing to me is all the "back office" space they seem to need. they've got the piers for media, ACRM, etc etc. It's just a little sailing race!

There's now a sort of stadium (within the stadium) for the sailors to receive their adoration from the millions of fans oh and the nightime concerts I guess.

In the original etchings there was a stadium looking out onto the water towards the finishing line...I guess that the "amphitheater" vantage point, still means better viewing will be on a TV screen...

[maxmini]

Another So Cal tragedy reported in S Butt tonight . This will take some investigation .

ril 29, 2012) - With mild winds forecasted for the 125 nm Lexus Newport
to Ensenada Yacht Race, 213 entries started on Friday with expectations of
a relaxing reach down the coast toward the land of tequila and tacos. But
the party mood would soon turn somber when reports of another tragedy were
released.

An investigation is underway involving the Hunter 376 Aegean, which appears
to have been in a collision during the race with a large ship several miles
off the coast near the border. The boat was destroyed, killing three of the
crew while the fourth crew member remains missing.

[nav]

Another So Cal tragedy reported in S Butt tonight . This will take some investigation .

ril 29, 2012) - With mild winds forecasted for the 125 nm Lexus Newport
to Ensenada Yacht Race, 213 entries started on Friday with expectations of
a relaxing reach down the coast toward the land of tequila and tacos. But
the party mood would soon turn somber when reports of another tragedy were
released.

An investigation is underway involving the Hunter 376 Aegean, which appears
to have been in a collision during the race with a large ship several miles
off the coast near the border. The boat was destroyed, killing three of the
crew while the fourth crew member remains missing.

Terrible news.....

http://www.coronadel...fatal-accident/

[Te Kooti]

Not exactly news from SF.

But, today BBC reports a 25% unemployment rate in Spain.

With 50% of young people being out of work.

Bloody 'ell!

Valencia could use an AC regatta.

Now!

Do you really think an AC regatta would solve a 25% unemployment issue ?

No it would not.

But it would create enough jobs to give relief to some.

I discussed this with a bloke from Barcelona. It ain't pretty.

Spain deserves better.

[Te Kooti]

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An investigation is underway involving the Hunter 376 Aegean, which appears
to have been in a collision during the race with a large ship

Bad !

Night crossing are always a hazard.

But on a crewed boat like this there should also be one person on watch.

Also, would a boat like this have radar? With a "guard zone?"

Even so, it is bloody awful.

Sudden and lethal.

[dogwatch]

Spain deserves better.

Currency union without fiscal union is a fundamentally flawed idea. The drachma and peseta ought to be devaluing and the D-mark revaluing. Who on earth believed the Spanish, Greek and German economies had "converged". Yeah I know, take it to Economic Anarchy. Which, ironically enough, is exactly what we've got.

[~Stingray~]

from http://cdn.sfgate.co.../MN0A1OB523.DTL

First time for everything

No one can say for sure how many people the America's Cup World Series on Aug. 21-26 will bring to the Bay Area (another regatta is scheduled for Oct. 4-7, the same time as Fleet Week). The regattas, a combination of practice and championship racing in preparation for the actual America's Cup competition in San Francisco in 2013, have never been held here before. But organizers say the fact that this will be the first time America's Cup sailors compete in an open amphitheater, with good viewing vantage points, means the event is bound to draw plenty of spectators.

"It's anyone's best guess how many people the event will attract," said Kyri McClellan, CEO of the America's Cup organizing committee. "But my estimate is tens of thousands, principally from the greater Bay Area."

Last month, 250,000 people attended the racing exhibition held in Naples, Italy, McClellan said. And hotels along the water are filling up.

"There's so much going on that it's difficult to say what people are coming for," said Judy Cronkhite, director of sales and marketing of the Hyatt Regency at San Francisco's Embarcadero, which has a bird's-eye view of the races. "But we're definitely seeing an increase in reservations."

[ro!]

from http://cdn.sfgate.co.../MN0A1OB523.DTL

First time for everything

No one can say for sure how many people the America's Cup World Series on Aug. 21-26 will bring to the Bay Area (another regatta is scheduled for Oct. 4-7, the same time as Fleet Week). The regattas, a combination of practice and championship racing in preparation for the actual America's Cup competition in San Francisco in 2013, have never been held here before. But organizers say the fact that this will be the first time America's Cup sailors compete in an open amphitheater, with good viewing vantage points, means the event is bound to draw plenty of spectators.

"It's anyone's best guess how many people the event will attract," said Kyri McClellan, CEO of the America's Cup organizing committee. "But my estimate is tens of thousands, principally from the greater Bay Area."

Last month, 250,000 people attended the racing exhibition held in Naples, Italy, McClellan said. And hotels along the water are filling up.

"There's so much going on that it's difficult to say what people are coming for," said Judy Cronkhite, director of sales and marketing of the Hyatt Regency at San Francisco's Embarcadero, which has a bird's-eye view of the races. "But we're definitely seeing an increase in reservations."

Gentleman...start your spin.....

[~Stingray~]

^ let's pretend that in the extreme it attracts 0 people. So then what? How does that change who wins the Cup?

[Te Kooti]

I am trying to be positive about this AC.

But, after seeing what big US corporations have done to Puerto Rico, I have apprehensions about Larry (or anyone else) messing with the SF waterfront.

It a worldwide disease.

In general, New Zealanders appreciate beaches etc. But, even there, there are catstrophic waterfront "developments."

What I most object to is the placement of sports stadia and convention centres on waterfront.

You see this in SF, Vancouver, Wellington, Hong Kong and just about everywhere else.

In Hong Kong, the British colonial administration fucked-up the waterfront. And the Chinese are continuing. A once beautiful (and historic) harbour being destroyed by "development."

If I had my way, instead of putting the silly new roof on the old BC Place stadium in Vancouver, it would have been demolished.

So the waterfront could be returned to the people.

The US does some things vey well (eg. top-ranked universities, museums- eg. Smithsonian - national and state parks) but, when it comes to waterfront developments, are as bad as others.

With only 4 AC challengers, why fuck-up the waterfront?

[Dixie]

hi, i'm back. did I miss anything? :-)

I'm wondering who aside from the usual GGYCers etc is going to Venice? Flights in Feb were around 1100 round trip, so not out of the realm of affordable for a nice Italian vacation. I probably should check in w the Venice thread and see who's in. But that said, who among you is coming to SF for the ACWS in August / October? Is August still on in SF or NY (yes, I've been distracted for the last few weeks with other local events)?

[~Stingray~]

^ Are you going to Venice, or know anyone planning it?

--

New today, Mayor Lee's enthusiasm is quite infectious

[Te Kooti]

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New today, Mayor Lee's enthusiasm is quite infectious

Yea ... whatever!

But, must we have the Coutts capsize clip for the 5,422nd time?

Just asking.

[~Stingray~]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

[maxmini]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

The biggest highlight of AC 34 is a mistake . How appropriate
Sorry it was too easy LOL

[SW Sailor]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

The biggest highlight of AC 34 is a mistake . How appropriate
Sorry it was too easy LOL

Probably true for most sporting events.

How may years did the Wide world of Sports play the clip of the skier crashing into the fence or whatever on a downhill race with the dialog "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat"

Did it ever show the victor ? What victor ? No, just the dude that almost killed himself. SOP for promoting the excitement of sporting events. The AC is no different.

If they showed an AC 45 calmly going across the finish line winning an event their would be a rash of complaints about it with the epicenter right here.

[maxmini]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

The biggest highlight of AC 34 is a mistake . How appropriate
Sorry it was too easy LOL

Probably true for most sporting events.

How may years did the Wide world of Sports play the clip of the skier crashing into the fence or whatever on a downhill race with the dialog "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat"

Did it ever show the victor ? What victor ? No, just the dude that almost killed himself. SOP for promoting the excitement of sporting events. The AC is no different.

If they showed an AC 45 calmly going across the finish line winning an event their would be a rash of complaints about it with the epicenter right here.

Oh come on now , just having a little fun here

[SW Sailor]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

The biggest highlight of AC 34 is a mistake . How appropriate
Sorry it was too easy LOL

Probably true for most sporting events.

How may years did the Wide world of Sports play the clip of the skier crashing into the fence or whatever on a downhill race with the dialog "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat"

Did it ever show the victor ? What victor ? No, just the dude that almost killed himself. SOP for promoting the excitement of sporting events. The AC is no different.

If they showed an AC 45 calmly going across the finish line winning an event their would be a rash of complaints about it with the epicenter right here.

Oh come on now , just having a little fun here

I guess I missed "the guy" part, which you deleted.

[maxmini]

^ It's the most spectacular clip of the AC45's so far, especially for it being on the SF Bay in such fresh wind and with the GG Bridge right there to frame it. We'll probably see it 6000 more times, even if it's the first time to many.

RC had a nice line in there, the 'San Francisco Cup.'

The biggest highlight of AC 34 is a mistake . How appropriate
Sorry it was too easy LOL

Probably true for most sporting events.

How may years did the Wide world of Sports play the clip of the skier crashing into the fence or whatever on a downhill race with the dialog "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat"

Did it ever show the victor ? What victor ? No, just the dude that almost killed himself. SOP for promoting the excitement of sporting events. The AC is no different.

If they showed an AC 45 calmly going across the finish line winning an event their would be a rash of complaints about it with the epicenter right here.

Oh come on now , just having a little fun here

I guess I missed "the guy" part, which you deleted.

I thought the " guy / ski jumper "was Eddie the eagle but upon further review he was from Yugoslavia and actually only got a few bruises after all that.

[SW Sailor]

I guess I missed "the guy" part, which you deleted.

I thought the " guy / ski jumper "was Eddie the eagle but upon further review he was from Yugoslavia and actually only got a few bruises after all that.

So the fun is on you then

[maxmini]

I guess I missed "the guy" part, which you deleted.

I thought the " guy / ski jumper "was Eddie the eagle but upon further review he was from Yugoslavia and actually only got a few bruises after all that.

So the fun is on you then

As much as possible

[Mariner]

http://www.sfgate.co.../MN0A1OB523.DTL

Back to AC in SF news... this is a feel good one about the fact we have the US Open here in June as well as the ACWS stuff happening and lots of other "world class events" happening this year. It's actually always like this it seems. I'm taking this fam to the US Open at Olympic club day after school gets out, and plan on being on the water for the ACWS.

But funny this morning on local sports talk, the host went ahead and did what probably many are doing and mentioned the WSJ story about pricey view real estate being snatched up for the "Americas Cup this summer" probably not knowing much better. Tempted to call in. Maybe a better job for Krispy or Dixie.

[nav]

Pay to play!


From: Iain Murray, Regatta Director
To: Competitors for the 34th America's Cup
Date:2 May 2012

RE: Regatta Entry Fee – US$200,000.00
Competitors are reminded an entry fee of US$200,000.00 for the LVC/Match
is payable to ACEA on or before 1 June 2012.

Payments are to be made to:
Account Name = Americas Cup Event Authority LLC
Bank = HSBC
.......
.......
Those competitors who posted a bond under earlier provisions of the Protocol,
if not already attended to, will need to make arrangements with ACEA to
convert the bond into a fee payment before the due date. Any questions or
queries regarding this process will need to be addressed to Scott Smith at
ACEA at scott.smith@americascup.com.

Iain Murray
Regatta Director

[Monster Mash]

Someone should nose around the Ferry Building. I hear a team or two are starting to set up offices there.

[Mariner]

Someone should nose around the Ferry Building. I hear a team or two are starting to set up offices there.

High rent district.

[eric e]

i wonder if that fee will be the same for all

or if they will only charge that to the first few teams

then discount a bit for the next

and a bit more for anyone else

'course they will say that won't happen

but we know it basically has...

Pay to play!


From: Iain Murray, Regatta Director
To: Competitors for the 34th America's Cup
Date:2 May 2012

RE: Regatta Entry Fee – US$200,000.00
Competitors are reminded an entry fee of US$200,000.00 for the LVC/Match
is payable to ACEA on or before 1 June 2012.

Payments are to be made to:
Account Name = Americas Cup Event Authority LLC
Bank = HSBC
.......
.......
Those competitors who posted a bond under earlier provisions of the Protocol,
if not already attended to, will need to make arrangements with ACEA to
convert the bond into a fee payment before the due date. Any questions or
queries regarding this process will need to be addressed to Scott Smith at
ACEA at scott.smith@americascup.com.

Iain Murray
Regatta Director

[Te Kooti]

This week I have a friend heading to SF with her sister.

Bit of a holiday/adventure for them.

Says hotel prices are an outrage.

And it is now 2012.

So ..... ????

Which campground can accommodate Te Kooti's tent?

Or is there a spare container somewhere?

[Observer]

Someone should nose around the Ferry Building. I hear a team or two are starting to set up offices there.

High rent district.

Would not surprise me of they find office space down the Mission Bay/Dog Patch areas as it's close to prier 80. Even rent a few vacant live/work lofts. Either way they probably want to be near the city's dark fiber running down the water front, that I here the city will "light up" for usage of the event. There is also a Muni car that run down third street all the way down the waterfront, past the ballpark.

There teams will no doubt be provided with a "pit" area at event central ?

[Mariner]

with all the ac venues under construction I'm wondering where the WS circus will set up their tents in SF. Pier 80 I would think will be off limits to other teams.

[K38BOB]

This week I have a friend heading to SF with her sister.

Bit of a holiday/adventure for them.

Says hotel prices are an outrage.

And it is now 2012.

So ..... ????

Which campground can accommodate Te Kooti's tent?

Or is there a spare container somewhere?

plenty of campsites in SF

[Observer]

^ if you are part of the 99%

[Te Kooti]

Was (or is) that the "Occupy SF" place?

Looks like I will need a sledge hammer for the tent pegs!

[K38BOB]

Was (or is) that the "Occupy SF" place?
Looks like I will need a sledge hammer for the tent pegs!

Yup, right across from the ferry building looking towards Piers 27-29. The first low building is Pier 1. Odd Piers toward GG Bridge. Even piers toward Bay Bridge

[Mariner]

with all the ac venues under construction I'm wondering where the WS circus will set up their tents in SF. Pier 80 I would think will be off limits to other teams.

Looked back at some of the graphics and it looks like mostly marina green appropriately near GGYC and StFYC for the ACWS, but it says Pier 30/ 32 which I'd thought would be under repair/ construction. Just curious where the August Pit Row tents will all fit,

[Mariner]

Hope to see some construction on the Embarcadero when I'm at AT&T Park tonight for The Wall:D

[Observer]

^ They have demolished one set of warehouses on the main pier...next time I'm at my clients office in the Embarcadero Center I'll take a pic and post it.

[Mariner]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

[maxmini]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

[~Stingray~]

^ it's even a possible reason for the backout by LE of the AC development plan. He's been rumored as strongly interested in buying the Warriors, could well be another 'done deal.'

They already play in a stadium named Oracle Arena, right?

[maxmini]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

I'm not so sure with so many precedents around . Here are a couple of quick ones .

The KFC Yum! Center[7] is a US $238 million, 22,000-seat basketball and multipurpose arena that opened on October 10, 2010, on the Ohio River waterfront in Louisville, Kentucky, United States, on Main Street between Second and Third Streets


American Airlines arena

[~HHN92~]

The Forum in Tampa is down on the waterfront where it used to be pretty ratty back in the 70's.

St. Pete's Bayfront Center has been down there for years, you may have seen it during the Indy Car races. Saw my first rock concert there back in the day.

[GauchoGreg]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

I would have to agree that is an absurdly stupid use of prime bay frontage.

[kiwi_jon]

^ it's even a possible reason for the backout by LE of the AC development plan. He's been rumored as strongly interested in buying the Warriors, could well be another 'done deal.'

They already play in a stadium named Oracle Arena, right?

Qué? Larry dipped out on buying the Golden State Warriors 2 years ago. While his bid was the highest the previous owner Chris Cohen sold to Peter Guber and Joseph Lacomb.

[~Stingray~]

^ The Sacramento Kings are being targeted now, who really knows how the King makers plan things out long-term.

But it was at least interesting that the 49ers (?) stadium lawyer/rep made his voice heard at the hearings; it's possible that that group wanted P30/32 a lot more than what LE ever did for AC activities. A phone call between LE and whoever, and Ed Lee would not even know.

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

I'm not so sure with so many precedents around . Here are a couple of quick ones .

The KFC Yum! Center[7] is a US $238 million, 22,000-seat basketball and multipurpose arena that opened on October 10, 2010, on the Ohio River waterfront in Louisville, Kentucky, United States, on Main Street between Second and Third Streets


American Airlines arena

Just because some other short sighted team owners and city officials put their arenas on the waterfront doesn't make it a good thing. San Francisco used to have and elevated highyway called the Embarcadero and Seattle has the Viaduct. Earthquakes damaged them both. SF got rid of theirs and Seattle is in the process of demolishing theirs. No one would allow that sort of project again... terrible use of waterfront land.

[kiwi_jon]

^^^
So not the Warriors as you said in your post. Want to delete that one.

Thursday, March 29 2012

Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley reiterated today his doubt that the franchise will be sold anytime soon. How can Heisley be so sure? He’s instructed his attorney, Stan Meadows, to stop negotiating with Oracle founder Larry Ellison because of Ellison’s repeated overtures about relocating the team. “We’re not even considering Ellison,” Heisley said. “This team cannot be moved.”

Memphis Commercial Appeal

Want another try?

[maxmini]

http://www.sfgate.co...G1336886926.jpg

You won't see the AC mentioned here but as we all here know these are the Piers that LE declined use of when he didn't get the long term development rights and then the City said we'll do a minimal upgrade for your AC use and decide later why.... well here's the formal why.

Would be a sweet deal if they can pull it off .

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

I'm not so sure with so many precedents around . Here are a couple of quick ones .

The KFC Yum! Center[7] is a US $238 million, 22,000-seat basketball and multipurpose arena that opened on October 10, 2010, on the Ohio River waterfront in Louisville, Kentucky, United States, on Main Street between Second and Third Streets


American Airlines arena

Just because some other short sighted team owners and city officials put their arenas on the waterfront doesn't make it a good thing. San Francisco used to have and elevated highyway called the Embarcadero and Seattle has the Viaduct. Earthquakes damaged them both. SF got rid of theirs and Seattle is in the process of demolishing theirs. No one would allow that sort of project again... terrible use of waterfront land.

I am not saying it is a good idea or not. But as you pointed out bad ideas have a habit of getting accomplished . Money gets what money wants , time will tell.

[CheekyMonkey]

If the good folks of Nob Hill and other areas freaked out about the AC on the piers and superyachts blocking their views wait till they ponder a monolithic basketball arena, with thousands of fans inside a windowless sports palace, and what it adds to the waterfront. What a stupid place to put it. At least Giants Stadium is open to the views. In Seattle we put our sports venues in an industrial area just south of downtown... they've helped revitalize an area that had seen progress pass it by. There's even plans for a new arena for an NBA team to return and a new NHL team, too.

The folks at the Telegraph Hill Dwellers Assoc. probably have their most of their attention directed at the proposed 8 Washington project, which is much closer to their territory than P30-32. That's a stupid place for an arena, when the Giants have already carved out a slice of their Mission Bay development project for such a use, but the Warriors' owners are apparently cool to the idea of playing ball.

^ it's even a possible reason for the backout by LE of the AC development plan. He's been rumored as strongly interested in buying the Warriors, could well be another 'done deal.'

They already play in a stadium named Oracle Arena, right?

That's just a naming sponsorship deal. The arena and the adjacent stadium are owned jointly by the city and county. The Warriors were sold last year to a VC guy and a Hollywood producer...right out from under LE's nose. People were surprised, and I don't think it has been fully explained how that occurred, whether it was a screw up on LE's part, or the whim of the much-reviled previous owner of the club. Probably some of both.

[~Stingray~]

^ Thanks, forgot that and may have confused them with the Sacramento Kings. Recently various people were trying to buy and relocate them, including a party in Seattle who would also build a new stadium.

[Mariner]

whats this all about?

[~Stingray~]

Nice work by probably George Johns

[Monster Mash]

whats this all about?

Red Bull ?

[~Stingray~]

^ excerpt from an email getting fwd'd around, apologies for paste losing the fancy formatting
--

... America’s Cup to Unveil AC45 Sailboat in San Francisco’s
Union Square Park to Announce New AC Event and Partnership
WHAT: ​The America’s Cup extends an open invitation to celebrate a historic, new America’s Cup partnership with a global sports, lifestyle and media brand that is energizing the world in San Francisco’s Union Square Park.  Attendees will get an up-close and personal view of an actual, full-sized (not a model) AC45 catamaran complete with six-story wing-sail erected in the middle of Union Square Park. Pending weather conditions, the 66-foot tall race boat will be on display from 10:00am to 1:00pm PDT – the first time a racing sailboat will be displayed in Union Square. ...

[~Stingray~]

^ not sure how much is okay to post but 'Molly Vandemoer' has a role in the announcement Thursday

[~Stingray~]

Does this link work for others?

http://db.tt/yNiVPDOc

[maxmini]

Does this link work for others?

http://db.tt/yNiVPDOc

Yes on iPad .

[MR.CLEAN]

Does this link work for others?

http://db.tt/yNiVPDOc

Better (screenshot from your link)

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[Martin X Moleski SJ]

Does this link work for others?

http://db.tt/yNiVPDOc

Yes on iPad .

Yes on PC, W7, Firefox.

[Mariner]

Giants are home ... they should be doing this at AT&T Park

[MR.CLEAN]

Full news here:

http://forums.sailin...2

[~Stingray~]

New to, 'Re-Rigged for Success'

http://gamedaymercha...up-for-success/

[Te Kooti]

whats this all about?

It is about 1. Comrade Simmer 2. The "youth" thread.

Wih Red Bull as sponsor.

Groan!

But like having Coca Cola as lead sponsor of the Olympics!

Groan again!

[Te Kooti]

the first time a racing sailboat will be displayed in Union Square. ...

I hope they acknowledge His Royal Highness Bertarelli.

In 2007 he and Rita had two V5 IACC boats in the Plaza de Ayumiento (sp?) (inside the medieval wall of Valencia).

With those keels, awkward things to display.

Cats should be easier.

[Mariner]

How ACWS teams save on shipping costs
Since August, the America's Cup World Series has traveled from Cascais, Portugal, to Plymouth, England, to San Diego to Naples to Venice before finishing the season in Newport, R.I.Moving the 45-foot catamarans, the crews and all the support people and equipment is a huge and costly undertaking.I haven't been able to find a pricetag yet on all the moves, but it must be substantial. The teams — Oracle Team USA and Italy's Luna Rossa have two boats each — all travel together by ship as a way of saving money. An Oracle Team USA spokesman told me the costs vary on on the distances traveled and the charges made in various ports for pilots, customs, use of cranes, etc.The AC45s and their wings are built so they can be dismantled and fit into standard 40-foot shipping containers. Team bases consist of 4 x 40-foot shipping containers plus a standard roof. All of the America's Cup officials, mark boats and equipment, along with the TV broadcast equipment, which fills 16 containers, travels on the same ship. The teams share other costs, such as the inventory of spare parts for boats and wings.


VERY EXCITING HUH???


And in other news, I can't keep the dates for ACWS SF straight. Just read on SF Gate that the first SF regatta will in fact be 6/ 26- 7/ 1. I guess they haven't found somewhere else to go, but good news for us in the World Capital of sailing right? and teams get some local knowledge for the real thing next year!

[Hank Chinaski]

Just read on SF Gate that the first SF regatta will in fact be 6/ 26- 7/ 1. I guess they haven't found somewhere else to go, but good news for us in the World Capital of sailing right? and teams get some local knowledge for the real thing next year!

Newport is June 26-July 1... error SF Gate

SF is August 21-26

[Mariner]

Just read on SF Gate that the first SF regatta will in fact be 6/ 26- 7/ 1. I guess they haven't found somewhere else to go, but good news for us in the World Capital of sailing right? and teams get some local knowledge for the real thing next year!

Newport is June 26-July 1... error SF Gate

SF is August 21-26

Yep, I didn't do my due dil, error SF GATE. Maybe wishful thinking.

[Mariner]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

[K38BOB]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

hhhmmm...assuming we win AC34. Warriors get Piers30-32 and give notice at Oracle Arena.... Seems like some pretty big moves here.. Larry was outbid for the Warriors (or refused to overpay)... stay tuned

[Monster Mash]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

hhhmmm...assuming we win AC34. Warriors get Piers30-32 and give notice at Oracle Arena.... Seems like some pretty big moves here.. Larry was outbid for the Warriors (or refused to overpay)... stay tuned

Are you sure? I seem to recall that LE was the highest bidder but it was not accepted.

[K38BOB]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

hhhmmm...assuming we win AC34. Warriors get Piers30-32 and give notice at Oracle Arena.... Seems like some pretty big moves here.. Larry was outbid for the Warriors (or refused to overpay)... stay tuned

Are you sure? I seem to recall that LE was the highest bidder but it was not accepted.

Fair enough...even better/worse

[JackGriffin]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

After starting the new topic, I found out it was already being discussed here. Seemed like a good idea to delete the topic and keep the conversation in one place...

Did you notice that there was no mention of the AC in the Chronicle article?

[maxmini]

Warriors to build new arena, move back to S.F.

(to the AC in SF's AC 72 Pit Row)

http://www.sfgate.co...1OK74T.DTL&ao=2

wierd, I saw Jack Griffin's new thread then it disappeared... anyway, certainly is news from the Embarcadero.

Am wondering about the timing though. Would it still get the minor upgrades the City committed to when the Ellison deal fell through, then be our Pit Row, then start construction of the Arena?

anyway, a much better long term use for the City.

After starting the new topic, I found out it was already being discussed here. Seemed like a good idea to delete the topic and keep the conversation in one place...

Did you notice that there was no mention of the AC in the Chronicle article?

It seems as if they are making a serious push for this . As for the lack of AC mention, how soon they forget.

[Mariner]

^^^ I think most who pay attention to these things recall that Ellison dumped Piers 30/ 32 when he saw push back on the long term lease for it and Seawall lot across the street. But most forget that the City balked and said "OK we'll fix up Piers 30/ 32 just enogh for you to use them for AC 34 Pit Row, but then we get them back afterwards.

This new news makes sense in that theres a long term development use that the City has long searched for so that even a minimal fix for AC 34 would not be completely wasted. But as I say above, maybe for an Arena, they have to go back to the BIG FIX and will that be ready for AC 34 next summer? I kinda doubt it.


The last thing is that Oakland is the real loser here... W's get out, A's want out, and who knows about the Raiders. These teams really put Oakland on the map, desperately needed focus away from all the true problems Oakland faces every day. But maybe that will be what it takes to build the Raiders a new Stadium afetr blowing up Oracle (bringing it back to AC in SF) Arena and giving them some more space to work with.

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Bay to Breakers. S.F. right?


http://t.co/IyuLiF4N

[Monster Mash]

^
Oops, trademark violation, where's Larrys lawyers

[~Stingray~]

^^ I will be amazed if the Warriors ever get that stadium approved, let alone built, on Peskin Point.

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^
Oops, trademark violation, where's Larrys lawyers

Umm - these are Larry's lawyers!

Well at least the office staff that survived the 'Big Cull'.

[ro!]

^^ I will be amazed if the Warriors ever get that stadium approved, let alone built, on Peskin Point.

It's not so long ago that you said if the city didn't give lazza his sweetheart deal that no one would deal with the city and the wharves would crumble into the bay...

[~Stingray~]

^ May well still happen.

Eskenazi has a piece out today, saying much the same thing at The Snitch. edit, link: http://blogs.sfweekl...n_francisco.php

Interesting that SWL 330 is being tossed by the city into this offer too; and that the Warriors also say it will cost $75-$100M+ to reinforce the pier even before building on top of it; and that it will take 50+ years to pay off the debt; and as Eskenazi points out, the regulatory and lawsuit pitfalls are looming on this one too. So... take those facts and stick all that up your sweetheart ass, ro!

[Te Kooti]

People who build sports arenas on waterfront are idiots.

And all this time I thought the SFBOS had a few clues.

Forgive my complete lack of interest in this, but what sport do the "Warriors" play?

Lacrosse, basketball ... or what?

[~Stingray~]

^ The AC development would have been much more maritime, at least for as long as SF holds the Cup and possibly longer.

But as a long-term lease deal, structured very very much like what the proposed Ellison one was, this one is potentially a god-send for the city too. And the views from the arena would be very good for not just basketball games but conventions and concerts too; plus in this one there's much more clarity about its long-term use - something the Ellison one lacked up front and which may well have crippled it later, under a new mayor and BOS.

The city and port are also trying hard in this one; but I doubt even this project will happen (too expensive, especially compared to the alternative venues the Warriors are also considering) and the piers will just continue to crumble, long-term.

That the (current champion) SF Giants baseball team owners were not there to endorse it today may not bode well for this proposed project's future either.

Piers like this one really are a problem.

[~Stingray~]

Another take on the Warriors stadium possibility
http://www.bizjourna...with-arena.html

[ro!]

^ May well still happen.

Eskenazi has a piece out today, saying much the same thing at The Snitch. edit, link: http://blogs.sfweekl...n_francisco.php

Interesting that SWL 330 is being tossed by the city into this offer too; and that the Warriors also say it will cost $75-$100M+ to reinforce the pier even before building on top of it; and that it will take 50+ years to pay off the debt; and as Eskenazi points out, the regulatory and lawsuit pitfalls are looming on this one too. So... take those facts and stick all that up your sweetheart ass, ro!

Again....you said that if the bos did not take your hero lazzas offer/land grab, no one would ever talk to the supes and the piers would crumble into the bay...
Someone is talking to the bos...so... take this fact and your stupid emoti and pack sand.....

[~Stingray~]

'Nobody would talk about it again?' Not what I said. To the contrary, I guessed that even Larry might revisit it later, since that is precisely what Lee suggested. There is also a history of other failed development attempts at that site, and now a small-scale retrofit being paid for by the city to prop part of it up for another ten years or so.

You are still posting dumbass non value added jabs. What you continue to miss are the facts.

If you (anyone) does want to contribute something useful or interesting, here's one question whose answer could be germane: Does the latest HCA guarantee access to P30/32 to ACEA in successive Cup Defenses? If so, then that could be an interesting wrinkle.

[~Stingray~]

More on the proposed project
http://www.sfgate.co...ype=newsbayarea

ex:
It's yet to be seen whether this particular production will be a feel-good story, as the Warriors and city officials pledge, or a heartbreaker like so many previous efforts to develop the 13-acre patch of crumbling concrete and pilings just south of the Bay Bridge.

Lack of money and frustrations with the politics of San Francisco have sunk at least five previous efforts, some with major players behind them like Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison, who backed out of a plan this year to build on the piers as part of the America's Cup sailing race deal.

[CheekyMonkey]

But as a long-term lease deal, structured very very much like what the proposed Ellison one was, this one is potentially a god-send for the city too. And the views from the arena would be very good for not just basketball games but conventions and concerts too; plus in this one there's much more clarity about its long-term use - something the Ellison one lacked up front and which may well have crippled it later, under a new mayor and BOS.

The city and port are also trying hard in this one; but I doubt even this project will happen (too expensive, especially compared to the alternative venues the Warriors are also considering) and the piers will just continue to crumble, long-term.

That the (current champion) SF Giants baseball team owners were not there to endorse it today may not bode well for this proposed project's future either.

Piers like this one really are a problem.

Aside from the fact that the Giants were champs back in 2010, there's little reason for them to be in attendence when they have their own development project, Mission Rock, that was thought to be a target for a new city arena.

Personally, I think there are better places to plop a large, opaque building whose occupants will have their attention focused inward, not outward on the view, and given the way things work in the city, I'll believe it when it happens. This project does have a better chance in the sense that the team and its sport is a known entity with local and regional support, as well as owners who don't have quite the image problems that LE has, but the people who live in the South Beach area, as well as those who have to drive on the Embarcadero can't be completely thrilled about it. Some may think of it as Pac Bell Park, the Sequel, but the circumstances are very different.

I hope LE is mellowing in his old age, or he can't be happy these these two guys have snatched his basketball team, and now his piers.

[Hank Chinaski]

"the views from the arena would be very good for not just basketball games but conventions and concerts too

Views??? Where do they put the windows? Good sight lines would mean fewer seats and you know what seats produce... $$$. Maybe just give the luxury boxes a rear window!

[~Stingray~]

^ Thought I read that the current concept was for a 'translucent' building.

In Seattle the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums aren't translucent or even right on the waterfront but the views of the water and of the downtown skyscrapers are still good from many seats and from most outter walkways.

It's not my favorite use of P30/32 but.. Who else is going to find a use for it? This could be a reasonable one.

Santa Cruz (is it?) and Alameda still think they're candidates for the Warriors stadium too.

[~Stingray~]

Santa Cruz .. still think they're candidates for the Warriors stadium too.

My mistake, SC is some other thing
http://www.kmph.com/story/18603041/ca-city-paves-way-for-wizards-move-from-nd
The City Council in Santa Cruz, Calif., has voted to finalize a deal with the Golden State Warriors that will enable the franchise to move its NBA Development League team from North Dakota.

[Hank Chinaski]

^ Thought I read that the current concept was for a 'translucent' building.

In Seattle the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums aren't translucent or even right on the waterfront but the views of the water and of the downtown skyscrapers are still good from many seats and from most outter walkways.

Translucent means light gets through but you can't see anything through it. Think of your neighbor's bathroom window!

I agree about the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums but remember what was there before... low rent single story buildings serving the industrial area to the south. The neighborhood around the proposed Warrior arena is high rent and will only block the views from those high rent venues.

[Mariner]

No one has commented regarding whether the piers will still be used as Pit Row during AC 34. Remember the City was still planning on doing a minor upgrade for the AC in SF, then getting them back afetr the event.

If they are not available, I'm wondering where this function goes? Probably further south to 50 or 80 where OR is HQ'd.

[~Stingray~]

^ I believe that in the Host and Venue Agreement signed and approved in late May (the final version) the ACEA gets use of P30/32 until as late as December 2013. I doubt the Warriors would need it for any construction that soon even if all approvals went smoothly.

Same for P80, 23, 27, iirc.

[~Stingray~]

^ Thought I read that the current concept was for a 'translucent' building.

In Seattle the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums aren't translucent or even right on the waterfront but the views of the water and of the downtown skyscrapers are still good from many seats and from most outter walkways.

Translucent means light gets through but you can't see anything through it. Think of your neighbor's bathroom window!

I agree about the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums but remember what was there before... low rent single story buildings serving the industrial area to the south. The neighborhood around the proposed Warrior arena is high rent and will only block the views from those high rent venues.

All true. And the only translucent thing mentioned may have been the roof anyway, for light and other environmental factors. So.. forget all that part

[maxmini]

In todays L.A times


Warriors set to move back across the bay
San Francisco, CA (Sports Network) - The Golden State Warriors are planning to move back across the bay to San Francisco.

San Francisco mayor Edwin M. Lee was joined by Warriors owner and CEO Joe Lacob at a press conference Tuesday on the proposed site of the new building at Pier 30-32 on San Francisco Bay near the foot of the Bay Bridge.

It will be a privately-financed, $500 million building on the waterfront that will seat between 17,000 and 19,000 people. The team and city are hopeful that it will open in time for the 2017-18 season.

"We are working with the Warriors to get a state-of-the-art, multi-purpose arena built on the waterfront in San Francisco and completed in 2017," said Lee. "The Warriors have been the Bay Area's basketball team for 50 years, and today sets the stage for the Warriors to be the Bay Area's team for another 50."

Lacob, who took over ownership of the franchise in November 2010, has been trying to find a new venue for the team, which left Philadelphia for the west coast and played in San Francisco from 1962 through 1971 before leaving for Oakland.

"This has been remarkable journey for us," said Lacob at Tuesday's news conference. "It was not an easy decision. We looked at a number of sites. We explored all our options in the Bay Area, including Oakland.

"Our fan base is really 50-50. We are the Bay Area's basketball team and have to find the best for our fans."

Under the agreement, the city of San Francisco will provide the land and the Warriors will pay to repair the crumbling piers, and privately finance the arena project. The cost of repairs is estimated at $75 to $100 million.

"We plan to build the most spectacular arena in the country," Lacob said Tuesday. "We intend to do everything in our power to have a team to match the standard of what this arena will be. This arena is about winning, just like the team on the court."

The Warriors were 23-43 during the truncated 2011-12 season and have not had a winning season record since the 2007-08 campaign. The club has had just one playoff appearance in the past 18 years.



05/22 13:43:00 ET

[~Stingray~]

Was it this thread? Anyway, back to wherever..
http://www.mercuryne...jury-says-trial

In a decision with potentially wide-ranging implications for Silicon Valley's battling tech giants, a federal jury on Wednesday ruled unanimously that Google did not infringe Oracle's patents when it developed its Android software.

[K38BOB]

All I know is that I've been calling out K38Bob about the rumors I've heard about 'research' happening in Alameda, and he's been surprisingly quiet. He gets quiet when he knows things, because he's very good at keeping info close to the vest. AC 34 will be in SF. Yes I'm wearing tinted glasses ,but unless they have an emergency revert to Valencia, I can't imagine it'd be anywhere else.

Peep!

[SW Sailor]

This was reported awhile ago -

[K38BOB]

This was reported awhile ago -

I guess I missed it. Link?