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[Monster Mash]

Saw them out today, how'd it go?

[Surf City Racing]

Saw them out today, how'd it go?

Nice light day to iron out all of the wrinkles of a bad-ass new boat!



Can't wait to see her fly!

[K38BOB]

11 knots with both hulls in the water. "Amazing acceleration from 4-11 knots" according to Matt

Saw them out today, how'd it go?

Nice light day to iron out all of the wrinkles of a bad-ass new boat!



Can't wait to see her fly!

[K38BOB]

Nice way to end the year



Gee I wonder how they want to start 2012?

[Monster Mash]

Cool looking boat, amazing attention to detail.
I saw a lot of tilley hats and smokers so I assume the major players are mostly not from California

Where does it live now, no longer any signs of life @ Svends.

[diggler]

Nice vid! Blew by what I guess is a Corsair tri like it was standing still. The curved daggerboard sure looked sexy too.

Draft in the foot of the mainsail looked a bit deep to my eye - be interesting to see how it looks after they get her all tuned up.

[K38BOB]

Cool looking boat, amazing attention to detail.
I saw a lot of tilley hats and smokers so I assume the major players are mostly not from California

Where does it live now, no longer any signs of life @ Svends.

By TUKI during this week. Back home today.

All locals (one Swiss transplant now local)- from my experience- at least only 1 has an accent....

That Corsair is a sprint ( way overpowered ) so a good comparo in light air

[eric e]

if i were them

i would be in contact with etnz's sail makers

the cast offs from their sl33 2 boat program may be

very good value for money

esp. now they appear to have ditched their soft mains


it's not as if their are many sl33's in nz to snap up those sails first

[Multihauler]

01/01/2012

Day 2 of sea trials: Had 5 aboard today. Still taking things easy as we work out all the bugs. Wind was NE ~10-15 in the slot. To speed for the day was 22+ knots.

Had a successful test of the lifting foils. Needless to say, the boat really "takes off".



Cheers!!!

-MH

[eric e]

[K38BOB]

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[K38BOB]

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[K38BOB]

TV3 news

link- ETNZ SL33 video (ignore the AC content if you can)

[Monster Mash]

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H'mmmm 3 Bridge?

Been kinda quiet lately.

[Occams Razor]

was windy out there today - was Bridge Runner out?

[Multihauler]

was windy out there today - was Bridge Runner out?

Negative.

Next sail scheduled for January 27th.....practice for the TBF.

-MH

[Multihauler]

Been kinda quiet lately.

Ladies and gentlemen, please make sure you seat belts are fastened, your tray tables are in their upright position, and get ready for......!!!

BridgeRunner testing her lifting boards for the first time:


Cheers,

-MH

[PatrickDW]

Wwwhoooowwww, nice. I just want one! But doesn't have the money for it, so keep posting for our fun.
Patrick

[Occams Razor]

Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

[ita 16]

01/01/2012

Day 2 of sea trials: Had 5 aboard today. Still taking things easy as we work out all the bugs. Wind was NE ~10-15 in the slot. To speed for the day was 22+ knots.

Had a successful test of the lifting foils. Needless to say, the boat really "takes off".



Cheers!!!

-MH

Does anyone know if this cat is equipped with adjustable curves boards back and forth?

[Monster Mash]

was windy out there today - was Bridge Runner out?

Negative.

Next sail scheduled for January 27th.....practice for the TBF.

-MH

Shame they're not out on the water more. I've heard its a fairly low experienced / low budget effort.
I also heard they were in San Diegeo during the AC45 stop over trying to charter out the boat.
The 3 Bridge (always a crapshoot) should be interesting as there's one Pro 40 entered allready and probably another soon to follow.
Orange is fast.

[K38BOB]

Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

I like the dual outboards. Presumably for motor sailing on either tack

[K38BOB]

was windy out there today - was Bridge Runner out?

Negative.
Next sail scheduled for January 27th.....practice for the TBF.
-MH

Shame they're not out on the water more. I've heard its a fairly low experienced / low budget effort.
I also heard they were in San Diegeo during the AC45 stop over trying to charter out the boat.
The 3 Bridge (always a crapshoot) should be interesting as there's one Pro 40 entered allready and probably another soon to follow.
Orange is fast.

Pretty high experince.
Has a personal, family, business life aside from sailing. 2 little kids and 3rd due by summer
Announced that its available for charter/partnership since the boat should be used/enjoyed.
He's had other obligation during current window

[Surf City Racing]

The 3BF will hopefully be the real first test of the new beast. I can't wait to see that sucker fly! I'll be out non the SC photoboat, and rest assured, I'll be snagging some pics!

[Multihauler]

Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

This video has a few shots of a Nacra 36 in action....



Cheers!!!

-MH

[Robnacra]

1326875759[/url]' post='3550402']

1326814077[/url]' post='3549330']
Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

This video has a few shots of a Nacra 36 in action....



Cheers!!!

-MH

Sailed both 36s, the new is a totally different boat. The new one can be driven hard downwind and was begging for power the old rig couldn't provide. Should be a weapon with the new rig, shame no curved boards but an awesome bit of kit!

[eric e]

so the naming is over for the orange boat

pity

"nucking futs"

now has an official approval

http://www.japantoda...ad-in-australia

[Multihauler]

Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

Another interesting Nacra 36 (and early wing sail) video:



-MH

[Robnacra]

1327265825[/url]' post='3556432']

1326814077[/url]' post='3549330']
Someone should pick up the original Nacra 36, available now in Oz for $20k, I assume that is AUD. Should fit into a container, so figure another $5k to ship. Says "recently refurb'd"

Nacra 36 for sale

Another interesting Nacra 36 (and early wing sail) video:



-MH

That wing is still sitting at briscat

[SL33_SF]

SL33 BridgeRunner

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2nd 2012 Three Bridge Fiasco; fastest boat on elapsed time

Next up: Single Handed Farallones Race
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;-)

[bluesea]

Nice main. :thumbsup: for the quick run down, and taking the boat out and doin' it (in the ocean no less).

[Trevor B]

Stopped by and looked at the beast yesterday.
Looks great, beautiful details.

[solosailor]

Next up: Single Handed Farallones Race

Really? I hope you get her out there in a blowing ebb/swell a few times crewed before you commit going out that far solo. Are you going to have a chase boat?

[SL33_SF]

Next up: Single Handed Farallones Race

Really?

There was a smiley under the SHF sentence...
I have done both the DHL and the DHF last year and went completely airborne on the F-32 near Pt. Bonita on the DHL... The taking off was great but the landing pretty noisy.

There is lots to learn about the SL33 and we will try not to be too stupid. We will initially only go outside the Gate fully crewed and in light conditions.
No reason to push it; we are having plenty of fun inside!

DHL 2011

[Trevor B]

When we did the Double-Handed Lightship on Lightspeed, the 18 knots of wind went left as we got out to Bonita so that we were headed straight into the left-over swell.
Over one especially large swell the boat launched after zooming up the face, (we were sailing at about 11knots,) so that we floated down bow high.
I don't think we actually jumped as the transoms didn't really leave the water but we did get the leeward daggerboard completely out of the water!
But it was an eye-opening experience that got us thinking about the suitability of sailing semi-light weight performance boats on the outside.....

[SL33_SF]

10 minutes time lapse movie of BridgeRunners 3BF race.



Cruising to Richmond after the race:




Enjoy!

[K38BOB]

10 minutes time lapse movie of BridgeRunners 3BF race.

Cruising to Richmond after the race:

Enjoy!

Would this be good to show at OYC tonight for SSS awards? Before, during or after? Just need a pc and a projector

[SL33_SF]

By Davi Ottenheimer – February 13, 2012

Morrelli & Melvin's new catamaran is a beautiful example of modern efficiency in sailing technology and design. The crew tells me that with just 17 knots of breeze on an easy-going day they were easily topping 24 knots of speed. During the Three Bridge Fiasco race in 8 knots of breeze the boat was sailing at 12 knots. They finished in second place and just 48 seconds behind last year's winning time.

This will be a serious competitor to the eXtreme 40 design and may lead to the sort of transition of an entire fleet that we saw with the Melges 32 from the Farr 40. One of the key differentiators between the two catamaran designs is that the X40 class uses stiffness in the hulls to offset the risk from massive load on a lightweight frame. The SL33 design uses construction emphasizing strength in the skeleton, adding weight in the beams, but light hulls. Another major difference is that the SL33 was designed to easily come apart and fit in a 40 foot shipping container. It basically looks to be more fun, less expensive and more convenient than the 40s.

The design also is huge news in terms of the upcoming America's Cup in San Francisco. While the premiere match races will be on Morrelli & Melvin designed catamarans (AC45 and AC72) the SL33 gives club racers and sponsors an option to invest in a similar design at a far more affordable and shippable format. That makes it not only a competitor to the X40 class but potentially a conversion machine to pull even die-hards of the mono hulls into the future of sailing, or at the very least force mono hull designs to adapt and improve.

See you on the Bay!

http://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=15724

[Monster Mash]

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By Davi Ottenheimer – February 13, 2012

Morrelli & Melvin's new catamaran is a beautiful example of modern efficiency in sailing technology and design. The crew tells me that with just 17 knots of breeze on an easy-going day they were easily topping 24 knots of speed. During the Three Bridge Fiasco race in 8 knots of breeze the boat was sailing at 12 knots. They finished in second place and just 48 seconds behind last year's winning time.

This will be a serious competitor to the eXtreme 40 design and may lead to the sort of transition of an entire fleet that we saw with the Melges 32 from the Farr 40. One of the key differentiators between the two catamaran designs is that the X40 class uses stiffness in the hulls to offset the risk from massive load on a lightweight frame. The SL33 design uses construction emphasizing strength in the skeleton, adding weight in the beams, but light hulls. Another major difference is that the SL33 was designed to easily come apart and fit in a 40 foot shipping container. It basically looks to be more fun, less expensive and more convenient than the 40s.

The design also is huge news in terms of the upcoming America's Cup in San Francisco. While the premiere match races will be on Morrelli & Melvin designed catamarans (AC45 and AC72) the SL33 gives club racers and sponsors an option to invest in a similar design at a far more affordable and shippable format. That makes it not only a competitor to the X40 class but potentially a conversion machine to pull even die-hards of the mono hulls into the future of sailing, or at the very least force mono hull designs to adapt and improve.

See you on the Bay!

http://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=15724
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Nice write up, way cool boat.
Trying to compare times from last years 3 bridge is just wrong.

[SL33_SF]

Nice write up, way cool boat.
Trying to compare times from last years 3 bridge is just wrong.

I think the blogger got a little confused there. In 2012 we finished 38 seconds behind Rocket 88 which started 10:30 ahead of us.
2011 was a much slower race, for everybody.

[Bill Gibbs]

In 2012 we finished 38 seconds behind Rocket 88 which started 10:30 ahead of us

That'd be line honors for you.

[K38BOB]

In 2012 we finished 38 seconds behind Rocket 88 which started 10:30 ahead of us

That'd be line honors for you.

Reverse start. Correction built in

[Bill Gibbs]

Are you disagreeing with my "line honors" comment?
A handicap reverse start doesn't change line honors going to the fastest elapsed time. Line honors isn't a corrected time result. Am I missing something?
I did guess that that these were the fastest boats in the race.

Or are you explaining why they had different start times?

[jhc]

TBF is a 'nor cal phrf' based mono, and multi, pursuit race. Reverse handicap start. First boat across the finish line is the handicap winner. Fastest elapsed time is not deemed significant, or honored w/ a trophy.
The sl33 is deemed thirty seconds a mile faster than the other fast cats in 'nor cal phrf'. So, started 10:30 minutes later in the starting order. The sl33 made up all but 38 seconds of their delta, and had the fastest time around the course.

[Bill Gibbs]

Fastest elapsed time is not deemed significant, or honored w/ a trophy.

What you deem significant, or honor with a pickle dish, has no effect on the definition of "line honors", or the fact that it is a singular real result in discussing boat speed. Whereas your handicap results are not.

[K38BOB]

Ok Bill-its line honors and apparently its not important to have a trophy.

Hopefully Afterburner comes to the bay so you can get a better understanding of this race venue.


Now
Whats up with SL 33? Any news of the next boats? Whats the next race for Bridgerunner?

[vmg]

You don't have line honours in a pursuit race

[Scarecrow]

By Davi Ottenheimer – February 13, 2012

This will be a serious competitor to the eXtreme 40 design and may lead to the sort of transition of an entire fleet that we saw with the Melges 32 from the Farr 40. One of the key differentiators between the two catamaran designs is that the X40 class uses stiffness in the hulls to offset the risk from massive load on a lightweight frame. The SL33 design uses construction emphasizing strength in the skeleton, adding weight in the beams, but light hulls. Another major difference is that the SL33 was designed to easily come apart and fit in a 40 foot shipping container. It basically looks to be more fun, less expensive and more convenient than the 40s.

The design also is huge news in terms of the upcoming America's Cup in San Francisco. While the premiere match races will be on Morrelli & Melvin designed catamarans (AC45 and AC72) the SL33 gives club racers and sponsors an option to invest in a similar design at a far more affordable and shippable format. That makes it not only a competitor to the X40 class but potentially a conversion machine to pull even die-hards of the mono hulls into the future of sailing, or at the very least force mono hull designs to adapt and improve.

See you on the Bay!

http://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=15724

So much wrong in this story it is scary.

1. X40s break down to pack in containers.
2. M-M didn't design the AC45
3. There will be no M-M designed cats in the cup. although they are both involved with ETNZ, calling in an M-M design is pretty tough on the 2678 other designers on the pay roll.

[Bill Gibbs]

You don't have line honours in a pursuit race

Why not?

Hopefully Afterburner comes to the bay

Thanks for the invite, but it's not a fun transit on a low comfort boat like Afterburner.
Maybe someday. Besides you guys have too much wind. I was out in 25-35 a few weeks ago and it was a bit too exciting. I like my 10-20 just fine.

My only point in quibbling is that some boat sailed the course with the fastest elaspsed time. I would call this boat the fastest boat. It is interesting for fans of fast boats to note who this is. And some people have gotten in the habit of calling it line honors, though this term probably origininated in races where everyone started together and the Fastest Elapsed Time was also first over the finish line. I haven't been in a race where everyone started together, ever. (though Border Run is doing it this year) Most races in California do not award a trophy for FET/Line Honors, but some do. NP-Ens has elapsed time awards for overall, monos, multis, maxis, etc. King Harbor has elapsed time trophies for monos and multis. All in addition to corrected time trophies.

Some of the comments sounded like, if no trophy was given, no one was fastest. Which sounds a little silly.
All courses have course records as well, regardless of whether the organizer recognizes and tracks them.

'nor cal phrf'

Not BAMA PHRF ratings for the multi's?

[jhc]

It's a conglomeration rating system that combines monos and multis. Obviously favors the multis.

Pac Cup, Coastal Cup, and some other races that are organized up here in the north woods are now calling 'line honors' or 'first to finish' the first boat to cross the finish line, regardless of how many days apart the fleet has started. Staggered starts, with the smaller, slower boats starting first. It's a retarded system, though it encourages more of the slower, smaller entries.

TBF has never emphasized the elapsed time winner, and has not acknowledged the fastest time or 'record' for the event...and tbf is unbelievably popular with the the smaller slower boar owners.

350 boats or there abouts for a race that is unconventional in many other ways, as well.

Hard to argue with success...

[zebaru]

The sl33 is deemed thirty seconds a mile faster than the other fast cats in 'nor cal phrf'. So, started 10:30 minutes later in the starting order. The sl33 made up all but 38 seconds of their delta, and had the fastest time around the course.

I dont really think the BAMA PHRF for the fast cats means much. The Nacra F20c gets a -81 wheras this SL33 gets a -103.

The bay has three Ds, two Prosails, the lightspeed, the sl33, and a couple F20cs - we need to organize a few heads up events. I expect the SL33 to clean up, but I'd love to see how our little boat stacks up.

[K38BOB]

It's a conglomeration rating system that combines monos and multis. Obviously favors the multis.

Pac Cup, Coastal Cup, and some other races that are organized up here in the north woods are now calling 'line honors' or 'first to finish' the first boat to cross the finish line, regardless of how many days apart the fleet has started. Staggered starts, with the smaller, slower boats starting first. It's a retarded system, though it encourages more of the slower, smaller entries.

TBF has never emphasized the elapsed time winner, and has not acknowledged the fastest time or 'record' for the event...and tbf is unbelievably popular with the the smaller slower boar owners.

350 boats or there abouts for a race that is unconventional in many other ways, as well.

Hard to argue with success...

ratings always have a horse for the course/condition of the day effect...the consensus among the multihullers this year was that they had perfect conditions (reaching the whole course) for at least the late starting negative rating (by BAMA who belongs to YRA and emulates NorCal PHRF ratings as YRA designee)

[K38BOB]

The sl33 is deemed thirty seconds a mile faster than the other fast cats in 'nor cal phrf'. So, started 10:30 minutes later in the starting order. The sl33 made up all but 38 seconds of their delta, and had the fastest time around the course.

I dont really think the BAMA PHRF for the fast cats means much. The Nacra F20c gets a -81 wheras this SL33 gets a -103.

The bay has three Ds, two Prosails, the lightspeed, the sl33, and a couple F20cs - we need to organize a few heads up events. I expect the SL33 to clean up, but I'd love to see how our little boat stacks up.

there was a time not too long ago when all the fast boats agreed to rate even (-100?) and race boat for boat

[F18 VB]

The bay has three Ds, two Prosails, the lightspeed, the sl33, and a couple F20cs - we need to organize a few heads up events. I expect the SL33 to clean up, but I'd love to see how our little boat stacks up.

There are also a large handful of F18's that would show up for an event like that. We would win too.

[munt]

then do the Border Run, winner

[F18 VB]

then do the Border Run, winner

I was imagining a buoy race in the SF Bay to see who is the fastest.

[munt]

I was imagining an f-18 doing an ocean race...

[K38BOB]

then do the Border Run, winner

I was imagining a buoy race in the SF Bay to see who is the fastest.

There are proposals to do that- maybe not in the same fleet/division. You guys need to decide you want to. See SF F18 mail list.

[F-18 5150]

then do the Border Run, winner

There is a conflict with the race we have that weekend already. We have 7 F-18's racing at ST. Francis that weekend.

[Surf City Racing]

[K38BOB]

Great pics jer...from your skiff?

[Scarecrow]

I can't help wondering how long it will be before to start trapping off the wings. I'm sure it has been discussed.

[Surf City Racing]

Great pics jer...from your skiff?

Affirm. Family day on the SC Skiff, Mrs. Surf City, and Tiny Surf City joined me. Tiny drove.

[green boat]

Wonder why they settled on that name ????
with a cat that bright, thought the colour would dictate the name.

[Monster Mash]

Wonder why they settled on that name ????
with a cat that bright, thought the colour would dictate the name.

I think they thought they were going to destroy the fleet in the 3 Bridge Fiasco, hence Bridge Runner.

[Trevor B]

Wonder why they settled on that name ????
with a cat that bright, thought the colour would dictate the name.

I think they thought they were going to destroy the fleet in the 3 Bridge Fiasco, hence Bridge Runner.

Man, you are truly clue-less.

[Multihauler]

Wonder why they settled on that name ????
with a cat that bright, thought the colour would dictate the name.

I think they thought they were going to destroy the fleet in the 3 Bridge Fiasco, hence Bridge Runner.

Ummm.............WRONG!!!!


-MH

[Cakewalk]

The boat is brand new with a huge learning curve, they will be unbeatable when they get her figured out. The only thing that will slow them down will be torn sails when they flip.

[unShirley]

Wonder why they settled on that name ????
with a cat that bright, thought the colour would dictate the name.

I think they thought they were going to destroy the fleet in the 3 Bridge Fiasco, hence Bridge Runner.

Ummm.............WRONG!!!!


-MH

er.....what color is the Golden Gate Bridge again????

Or am I clueless, too?

[K38BOB]

The boat is brand new with a huge learning curve, they will be unbeatable when they get her figured out. The only thing that will slow them down will be torn sails when they flip.

Shouldn't you be showing us Barbie?

[Sextant]

The boat really looks good, cool and fast however I am wondering what kind of dollars are we talking for an SL 33 landed in N.America. The reason I mentionned this is that the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, the Toro 34 their web site shows the boat almost complete and they are saying that it should be in the water by end of April. The Toro 34 has a really nice look and has some interesting features i.e. 4 x sleeping berths, trailable etc . Construction is glass, carbon reinforced epoxy infused hulls with all carbon spars, synthetic rigging, Quantum Carbon sails etc. What is most interesting is that even with all that high tech construction they are advertsing a retail price of $130k canadian base price not bad check out their web site guys it is worth the look www.designcatamaran.com

[Trevor B]

The boat really looks good, cool and fast however I am wondering what kind of dollars are we talking for an SL 33 landed in N.America. The reason I mentionned this is that the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, the Toro 34 their web site shows the boat almost complete and they are saying that it should be in the water by end of April. The Toro 34 has a really nice look and has some interesting features i.e. 4 x sleeping berths, trailable etc . Construction is glass, carbon reinforced epoxy infused hulls with all carbon spars, synthetic rigging, Quantum Carbon sails etc. What is most interesting is that even with all that high tech construction they are advertsing a retail price of $130k canadian base price not bad check out their web site guys it is worth the look www.designcatamaran.com

My guess would be about 2x a Toro-34, but the SL-33 is a hell of nice boat.

[SL33_SF]

... the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, ...

Sextant: So far you have made four posts on SA, all promoting that one boat. In one post you imply that you are part of the team building it...
Would you mind disclosing what your relationship to the project is?
Then buy an ad.

Anyway... The SL33 is half the weight of your prototype but has about the same waterline length. This may have some performance implications....
And if someone is looking for a daysailer racing cat with some accommodation, why not go for a Lightspeed 32? It's a very well proven design (VPLP), fast & fun.

[B30]

... the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, ...

Sextant: So far you have made four posts on SA, all promoting that one boat. In one post you imply that you are part of the team building it...
Would you mind disclosing what your relationship to the project is?
Then buy an ad.

Anyway... The SL33 is half the weight of your prototype but has about the same waterline length. This may have some performance implications....
And if someone is looking for a daysailer racing cat with some accommodation, why not go for a Lightspeed 32? It's a very well proven design (VPLP), fast & fun.

This is still my favorite boat. Not as fast as SL33/Marstrom32 types, but much more useable for different types of sailing and still plenty fast and responsive!

[SC65]

... the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, ...

Sextant: So far you have made four posts on SA, all promoting that one boat. In one post you imply that you are part of the team building it...
Would you mind disclosing what your relationship to the project is?
Then buy an ad.

Anyway... The SL33 is half the weight of your prototype but has about the same waterline length. This may have some performance implications....
And if someone is looking for a daysailer racing cat with some accommodation, why not go for a Lightspeed 32? It's a very well proven design (VPLP), fast & fun.

This is still my favorite boat. Not as fast as SL33/Marstrom32 types, but much more useable for different types of sailing and still plenty fast and responsive!

But why did they had to design it so ugly? :-)

[harryproa]

the SL-33 is a hell of nice boat.

No doubt about that, at all.

The Toro won't look too shabby either, especially up close. Some of the components infused in one piece in closed moulds by Etamax in Adelaide, South Australia.

Even with he aussie dollar at record highs and the cost of shipping, it was a good deal for Toro.

Suspect ads coming when there is something to sail on.

rob

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[K38BOB]

Ok, how about a little SL33 talk here..like the Big Daddy report!

[Scarecrow]

Um is the lightwave kicking their arse in that photo?

[SL33_SF]

Um is the lightwave kicking their arse in that photo?

Big Daddy Pursuit race around Angel and Alcatraz Islands, order of the marks can be chosen by yacht.
About 100 starters, wind 2-12kn SW, flood
Lightspeed started 7 minutes before us and went counter clockwise (smart).
We went clockwise with the fleet (not so smart, but safe)

BridgeRunner (SL33):

• 4^th place, 2^nd multihull (behind Lightspeed)
• Winner of the 'clockwise' (unofficial) division
• Fastest boat on elapsed time

Great photos:
http://www.pressure-...g-Daddy-Pursuit

[B30]

... the other day I was looking at a new 34 foot catamaran soon to be release made in Canada, ...

Sextant: So far you have made four posts on SA, all promoting that one boat. In one post you imply that you are part of the team building it...
Would you mind disclosing what your relationship to the project is?
Then buy an ad.

Anyway... The SL33 is half the weight of your prototype but has about the same waterline length. This may have some performance implications....
And if someone is looking for a daysailer racing cat with some accommodation, why not go for a Lightspeed 32? It's a very well proven design (VPLP), fast & fun.

This is still my favorite boat. Not as fast as SL33/Marstrom32 types, but much more useable for different types of sailing and still plenty fast and responsive!

But why did they had to design it so ugly? :-)

I think its just the terrible paint job. Anyway once you sail it yo won't care too much

[joey g]

Does the SL-33 have a self tacking jib?

Joe

[Trevor B]

Does the SL-33 have a self tacking jib?

Joe

Yes.

[F-18 5150]

ETNZ's MM designed SL33's, reports new top speeds in excess of 35 kts....!!

[flojo]

ETNZ's MM designed SL33's, reports new top speeds in excess of 35 kts....!!

Running down a hill? ;-)

[SlackWater_SF]

ETNZ's MM designed SL33's, reports new top speeds in excess of 35 kts....!!

Running down a hill? ;-)

Yes(?), apparently downhill, to get a quote see http://www.slperformanceraceboats.eu/

"wind conditions of 25 to 30 knots and waves up to 3 m Team New Zealand set a new incredible speed limit out in the Hauraki Gulf"

"speeds over 35 kontes while rushing downwind"

ETNZ has two boats both with wingmasts, I think, not the below boat configuration :

[kiwi_bob]

the SL-33 is a hell of nice boat.

No doubt about that, at all.

The Toro won't look too shabby either, especially up close. Some of the components infused in one piece in closed moulds by Etamax in Adelaide, South Australia.

Even with he aussie dollar at record highs and the cost of shipping, it was a good deal for Toro.

Suspect ads coming when there is something to sail on.

rob

Very Pretty. Unfortunately Hakes Marine in now in receivership which is a bit of a bugger.

[SL33_SF]

Very Pretty. Unfortunately Hakes Marine in now in receivership which is a bit of a bugger.

From what I hear Hakes Marine is not in receivership, but in voluntary liquidation and will be reopening the factory in China very soon.
SL33 tooling is safe (it is not owned by Hakes Marine).

[harryproa]

the SL-33 is a hell of nice boat.

No doubt about that, at all.

The Toro won't look too shabby either, especially up close. Some of the components infused in one piece in closed moulds by Etamax in Adelaide, South Australia.

Even with he aussie dollar at record highs and the cost of shipping, it was a good deal for Toro.

Suspect ads coming when there is something to sail on.

rob

Very Pretty. Unfortunately Hakes Marine in now in receivership which is a bit of a bugger.

Hakes (Wellington, NZ) are nothing to do with Etamax (Adelaide, Aus).

[kiwi_bob]

the SL-33 is a hell of nice boat.

No doubt about that, at all.

The Toro won't look too shabby either, especially up close. Some of the components infused in one piece in closed moulds by Etamax in Adelaide, South Australia.

Even with he aussie dollar at record highs and the cost of shipping, it was a good deal for Toro.

Suspect ads coming when there is something to sail on.

rob

Very Pretty. Unfortunately Hakes Marine in now in receivership which is a bit of a bugger.

Hakes (Wellington, NZ) are nothing to do with Etamax (Adelaide, Aus).

Yes sorry if I implied that they were related I should have made two posts; one to admire the Torro work and a 2nd post with the Hakes news. And yes it's in Liquidation but I guess that the point is that it won't be made in Wellington anymore by the highly skilled people there which is a bugger (especially for them) - good luck to the Chinese I guess....

[K38BOB]

Very Pretty. Unfortunately Hakes Marine in now in receivership which is a bit of a bugger.

From what I hear Hakes Marine is not in receivership, but in voluntary liquidation and will be reopening the factory in China very soon.
SL33 tooling is safe (it is not owned by Hakes Marine).

?

[eric e]

with no inside knowledge

i guess the above to mean

Hakes was contracted to build individual SL33s and given, or paid to build, the required molds to do so

now that the boat has been built and has been heavily tested etc. the focus is on selling them more widely

like the weta that was designed and originally built in nz the cost of building in nz is just too high to make the boats widely affordable

chinese seasonal workers get paid something like US$250 a month


which is so many frp boats are being built in the east now

so now the molds are off to the east for more boats at cheaper prices

it will be interesting to see how farrier gets round the economics with the nz factory f22

[K38BOB]

My understanding is the 1st boat was a one off Euro lake racer. Then Pete went to work for ETNZ....then USA-4. So who owns the molds?

with no inside knowledge

i guess the above to mean

Hakes was contracted to build individual SL33s and given, or paid to build, the required molds to do so

now that the boat has been built and has been heavily tested etc. the focus is on selling them more widely

like the weta that was designed and originally built in nz the cost of building in nz is just too high to make the boats widely affordable

chinese seasonal workers get paid something like US$250 a month


which is so many frp boats are being built in the east now

so now the molds are off to the east for more boats at cheaper prices

it will be interesting to see how farrier gets round the economics with the nz factory f22

[SL33_SF]

Press release from Hakes, bold is mine:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hakes Marine China and Hudson Yacht and Marine are very proud and excited to be able to make the
following statement:

Hakes Marine China has been established in co-operation with Hudson Yacht and Marine. It will be the high
performance division of Hudson Yacht and Marine continuing its tradition of world class and extraordinary
quality racing yachts it has become synonymous with.

Hakes Marine has now relocated to the beautiful Xiamen, China; headed by Paul Hakes and a number of key
management personnel to look after the new division and implement comprehensive training and quality
procedures. The new division allows Hakes Marine China to take full advantage of the US $50m investment
and 200 well trained staff already operating in this young facility of 4 years. The facility boosts an impressive
35,000sqm of building halls and all modern technology driven boatbuilding equipment including an 18m long
full height 5 axis CNC router.

In starting to realize this potential Hakes Marine China is thrilled to announce the new HH range. Symbolic of
this new union the HH range stands for Hudson Hakes. First will be the HH 42, a fully optimized very high
performance racing yacht. Designed by world renowned Judel Vrolijk Yacht Design, the HH 42 is simply made
to be the fastest in its size around the race track, yet be competitively raced to win on IRC as well as HPR. It
will have limited offshore capability to ensure it's always a leading feature at such classics as The Fastnet,
The Rolex Sydney to Hobart and Rolex China Sea Race. It will have full option packages to suit different
racing styles for the world's different regions, including but not limited to lifting keel, retracting propeller,
wheel steering, carbon rigging, and deck gear packs with a variety of winch options. Soon to follow this
thoroughbred of the yacht racing world will be the HH 47.

Moving to China with Hakes Marine are SL Performance Race Boats; bringing the Morrelli Melvin designed
Grand Prix SL 33 racing catamaran, also used by Americas Cup Teams as a training and development boat.
This relocation now allows these boats to be sold at more competitive rates.

Our proud past means for an exciting future.
info@hakesmarine.com
www.hakesmarine.com
www.hudsonyacht-marine.com

[K38BOB]

Link to SA Forum on Cats in BBS !

[Borderline]

Any body know how high above the water the mast step is on the sl33? There are a few designs out with stright beams that look very low.

[F-18 5150]

[SL33_SF]

What a huge surprise
;-)

[eric e]

is that with standard rudders?

[bush sailer]

is that with standard rudders?

No
I just hope they did not leave any debt behind in NZ. I hate people who declare bankrupt then start up again somewhere else. pretty close to stealing.

[eric e]

you mean hakes liquidating to avoid paying the last week's wages, holiday pay and redundancy payments? does seem a bit raw...

looks like boat development is ongoing, standard T foils??? not cassette rudders...but then it's not a beachcat so it doesn't need them

Hakes Marine has been put into liquidation, and according to local press reports, has moved moulds and staff from its former base in Wellington, New Zealand to set up operations in China. About fifteen people lost their jobs.

The company builds specialist grand prix race boats and, most recently, completed training catamarans for the America's Cup. The Dominion Post reported that a liquidator was appointed on March 29.

Christopher Earp, a former supervisor with the builder, said Hakes was shipping moulds to China, along with four staff members to set up operations there. He said the company would continue to build America's Cup training boats.


Earp added that it was "terrible" the way the Wellington facility was closed. "They told us on Thursday to pack up our tools and be gone by the end of the day," he told the paper. "There are people with mortgages left in the lurch … there was no warning it was going to happen. It was a shock for us."

Earp said there was no redundancy payout and workers also missed out on their last week's wages and holiday pay. "There are no other boat builders in Wellington, so it is a shame. There are a lot of people upset and boat builders trying to find work," he said.

Earp added that Hakes Marine built "great boats," including advanced racing yachts in carbon-fibre materials. He said there was now a "hole" in the Wellington area for another firm to replace Hakes.

Owner Paul Hakes could not be reached for comment.

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