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#1 Poodle56

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 08:49 AM

The moulds for the Sydney 36 pocket rocket are up for grabs. They can be yours for little over $5K....... :o :o :o

http://www.ebay.com....256546a1f7#shId

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 09:59 AM

ooooh, very very tempting...

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:22 AM

plus transport plus design fee plus etc plus 50k sails, plus 50 gear plus etc

Buy second hand for 200k

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:43 AM

Damn! Wish I had a bigger yard (land is VERY scarce in Singapore) cuz I'd slap the two together and fill it full of weed iced beer soapy nekkid ladyboyz uh...I mean, flowering shrubberies!

Damn I love that hull form, seriously.

Don't let the chainsaw take it pleeeeaaassseee!!

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:50 AM

Damn! Wish I had a bigger yard (land is VERY scarce in Singapore) cuz I'd slap the two together and fill it full of weed iced beer soapy nekkid ladyboyz uh...I mean, flowering shrubberies!

Damn I love that hull form, seriously.

Don't let the chainsaw take it pleeeeaaassseee!!


Soapy nekid ladyboyz...? :o.

Please buy them poodz!

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 11:01 AM


Damn! Wish I had a bigger yard (land is VERY scarce in Singapore) cuz I'd slap the two together and fill it full of weed iced beer soapy nekkid ladyboyz uh...I mean, flowering shrubberies!

Damn I love that hull form, seriously.

Don't let the chainsaw take it pleeeeaaassseee!!


Soapy nekid ladyboyz...? :o.

Please buy them poodz!


Please! That's "nekkid" with two Ks. <_<

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 11:06 AM



Damn! Wish I had a bigger yard (land is VERY scarce in Singapore) cuz I'd slap the two together and fill it full of weed iced beer soapy nekkid ladyboyz uh...I mean, flowering shrubberies!

Damn I love that hull form, seriously.

Don't let the chainsaw take it pleeeeaaassseee!!


Soapy nekid ladyboyz...? :o.

Please buy them poodz!


Please! That's "nekkid" with two Ks. <_<


:P hehe...sowwy (with two W's).

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 11:24 AM

I'm still trying to figure out how to get them from East coast to The West Coast on the back of my ute. I could oil them up & slip TWU back into them...... ;-)

Mmmmmhhhhhhhh....... Oil.......

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 05:39 AM

The moulds for the Sydney 36 pocket rocket are up for grabs. They can be yours for little over $5K....... :o :o :o

http://www.ebay.com....256546a1f7#shId

Poods


Bloody old many times recycled design now going back to what.... Local Hero?. Pamela C was a good one early on too but they have had their day. Heavy, not fast by todays standards or maybe not so well campaigned? Grossly overpriced for the 36CRs with some paying more than $AUD350Ks for what?, Some pissed off owners hooked up by Tacka have taken a hell of a bath to get out of them. Yesterdays boat. Move along, nothing to see here.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:25 AM

Not even worth $5k - 0 bids

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:40 AM

cant get an IRC age relief any more can ya?

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:50 AM

cant get an IRC age relief any more can ya?

doesnt seem to worry thephilosophersclub. thought thats looking more like a franken-boat these days,

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:58 AM

Not even worth $5k - 0 bids


And there was much sadness... :(

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 11:26 AM

Ended 11 Jul, 201119:58:18 AEST

Bid history: 0 bids


Starting bid: AU $5,000.00
Reserve price not met

now watch a certain south australian yacht manufacturer snap them up and park them in the paddock to rot, next to all the others. Removing the competition is sometimes worth $5k.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 11:54 AM

For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 12:32 PM

For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Under $300k??? No way. The latest batch of 36CRs were well over $300k on the water. I know of at least two that were over $350k.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 01:35 PM

$300k!!?? Ouch.

I paid SGD65k for my BH36 (aka SYD36 ver1.o) in 2000.

Someone needed cash...right place, right time.

Loved that yacht...lots.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 01:37 PM

For what it is worth, the word is that the Farr 40 molds are available for free.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 02:03 PM

$300k!!?? Ouch.

I paid SGD65k for my BH36 (aka SYD36 ver1.o) in 2000.

Someone needed cash...right place, right time.

Loved that yacht...lots.


Yep, well over $AUD300k for the newest iteration, the 36CRs through 2006-9.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:14 PM

How many were built?

Not certain if it was the CR but there was a S36 for sale in (Annapolis?) that I looked at many years ago for USD $135k but it got snapped up immediately before I could even call the broker.

Maybe it's not the most ultra modern design but good designs stand the test of time, sometimes new designs don't. Price often has no bearing on the durability of a design: there are lots of boats that are great boats but just not many of them around.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 05:04 PM

I would really like one.....

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 08:10 PM

Won't comment on price or it's relevence, but the sole example of the 3600 variant ( FINS, In Hawaii ) has certainly proven a very well put-together vessel, fast and comfortable in our at-times spirited conditions.

The 'convertible' feature of the 3600 ( standard mast-mounted pole & conventional kites + a robust demountable sprit & big assym ) is really neat - too bad it never caught on.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:05 PM

Plenty of life left in those moulds yet, put a plug in the back and you have a Sydney 34CR, add a flush deck Sydney 34 sports, the possibilities are endless.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:55 PM

For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 11:23 PM


For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.


Wooden boom? Retro-fit from another (much older) yacht?

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:35 AM


For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.

What has the scoop done to the age allowance and rating ?

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:41 AM

Is that the same boom they still have on? I recall it had some issues in the more breezy race a few weeks back when everyone hit the pigs, seem to remember them finishing sans main.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:59 AM

imho two best are Pete Moselys original MH 36 Local Hero and Poodles' 36S TWU over in perf...now rating under 1.06 i believe??

There aren't any other 36's built like Local Hero. special boat that while the rudder stays in but no matter what has been done none of them are going to go much faster than 16 knots....and then it's wet....bow wave spume comes inward from the gunwhale and straight down the companionway hatch.

great boats to weather in all conditions....the MH muuch better in light slop than the CR and S. TWU in mod/hvy conds uphill is unreal. thing flies eh Poods

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:30 AM

Good looking Boat....sad to see ending like this.

Boat Building sounds worse than Starting any Restaurant Bus.....has anyone (other tham J Boats) ever made any $$ ??

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:41 AM

imho two best are Pete Moselys original MH 36 Local Hero and Poodles' 36S TWU over in perf...now rating under 1.06 i believe??

There aren't any other 36's built like Local Hero. special boat that while the rudder stays in but no matter what has been done none of them are going to go much faster than 16 knots....and then it's wet....bow wave spume comes inward from the gunwhale and straight down the companionway hatch.

great boats to weather in all conditions....the MH muuch better in light slop than the CR and S. TWU in mod/hvy conds uphill is unreal. thing flies eh Poods


Word Evo.

Boat builders need to use more language like this is the marketing speak.

Tim Long's got it spot on over at the Soto40 website.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:57 AM

We are absolutely stoked with TWU. We have her flying uphill - Consistantly beating the Mumm30's, Farr30 & F36 (and they are all VERY well appointed & sailed boats). We're getting the hang of the assies, but still room to improve.

Our rating went from 1.066 last year to 1.064 this year. We then had all her sails remeasured (all slighlty smaller) and re-weighed (+150kg - some earlier keel repairs), which brought the rating down to 1.057.

And seeing as I'm blowing my own horn, here's some proof there's life in the S36 yet: http://freodoctor.co...ntpage&Itemid=1

.....and even some video of how we did it...: http://youtu.be/COeqns_RAf8 :D

I'm excited!!

Poods B)

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 03:51 AM

Poodle56 your rating is still a bit high for the 36. I sailed on Aileron a few years back and won our div for southport and Hammo with a rating of 1.048. Sorro also won the IRC champs when he first got the boat and his rating was 1.053, ever since he has started modifying the boat and sails he has struggled to recapture that form. This was also evident when they brought out the 36CRX which was lighter with a few other mods but has never sailed to its rating either.

Good boats especially when you can get a few of them lined up in a fleet. Good luck with your sailing.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 05:17 AM



For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.


Wooden boom? Retro-fit from another (much older) yacht?


No just another Bucko idea. Much lighter than an alloy boom. Very deep top to bottom. More sail area not rated.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 05:45 AM




For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.


Wooden boom? Retro-fit from another (much older) yacht?


No just another Bucko idea. Much lighter than an alloy boom. Very deep top to bottom. More sail area not rated.


Got it. Thanks.

We have a very similar one-off boom (carbon) on my Ker32. About 45cm wide and only 4cm thick.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 06:45 AM

Plenty of life left in those moulds yet, put a plug in the back and you have a Sydney 34CR, add a flush deck Sydney 34 sports, the possibilities are endless.


and bloody SLOW




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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:52 AM


Plenty of life left in those moulds yet, put a plug in the back and you have a Sydney 34CR, add a flush deck Sydney 34 sports, the possibilities are endless.


and bloody SLOW


Gimme a break. There is NOTHING dull about racing a SYD36.

It is a very stimulating and fun yacht to send around any race course...and this is coming from someone who owned/raced a TP52 for nearly 3 years.

They're shitloads of fun!

Euro production boats = SLOW.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:21 AM

We are absolutely stoked with TWU. We have her flying uphill - Consistantly beating the Mumm30's, Farr30 & F36 (and they are all VERY well appointed & sailed boats). We're getting the hang of the assies, but still room to improve.

Our rating went from 1.066 last year to 1.064 this year. We then had all her sails remeasured (all slighlty smaller) and re-weighed (+150kg - some earlier keel repairs), which brought the rating down to 1.057.

And seeing as I'm blowing my own horn, here's some proof there's life in the S36 yet: http://freodoctor.co...ntpage&Itemid=1

.....and even some video of how we did it...: http://youtu.be/COeqns_RAf8 :D

I'm excited!!

Poods B)


Tell e'm about your great start Poods!

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:31 AM

Sorro's boat is close to the ugliest boat on the harbour now.... Shame really. The boom is hideous, the little bobsaty/prod which the forestay is attached to to allow for bigger jibs is just as ugly. the scoop, well when I saw them fitting it I choked. Boat got re-weighed last week, would be keen to see what it came out at as a lot of the interior has been stripped....... Would like to know if the hull factor has been adjusted accordingly........ Surely IRC/RORC would have something to say about that boom, there is a rig factor after all that could take care of that.......

Regardless of the franken boat S36, yeah, real nice boats and the later versions were an awesome bit of kit upwind in any breeze, but just generally good all around boats. Hope someone picks up the moulds.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:34 AM




For their price they were a good boat, for under 300k on the water you got a well appointed 36ft yacht that sails well, Sorro doesn't seem to do too bad in his


Sorro's yacht is now a Syd 37.5 since adding the sugar scoop combined with a wooden boom and a small bow sprit. Not the standard 36CR It is now a Bucko / Sydney design.


Wooden boom? Retro-fit from another (much older) yacht?


No just another Bucko idea. Much lighter than an alloy boom. Very deep top to bottom. More sail area not rated.


Bucko's ideas should have been banned after that Mr Kite debacle... Luckily that boat has been salvaged and is now a really good looking boat that seems to sail pretty well.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:34 AM

Poodle56 your rating is still a bit high for the 36. I sailed on Aileron a few years back and won our div for southport and Hammo with a rating of 1.048. Sorro also won the IRC champs when he first got the boat and his rating was 1.053, ever since he has started modifying the boat and sails he has struggled to recapture that form. This was also evident when they brought out the 36CRX which was lighter with a few other mods but has never sailed to its rating either.

Good boats especially when you can get a few of them lined up in a fleet. Good luck with your sailing.


My cunning plan is working!!!!!!! My faux play for these moulds has drawn out all you S36 owners / crew / groupies & other hanger-onners likes bees to the honey pot. What I really want is for you all to PM me with your contact details so I can swap notes & get a few more tips. Our world domination plan is to make TWU the fastest S36 on the West Coast!!!! :angry:

Our IRC saga is long & woeful - We started at 1.074 (one decimal zero seven four), and have only just got it down to 1.057. Ironically with no physical changes, just updated measurements and ensuring the cert data is accurate. We've had her 10 months now, and have needed brain upgrades to accomodate everything we have learned (It caused me to forget how to ride a bike).

I only recently trawled through all the old SA forums, and found an enourmous volume of rubbish posts related to TWU & other S36's. Fun reading but not a lot of useful info.

So drop me a PM - And I'll also tell you about our cracker start last Saturday....!!!! :lol:

Poods B)

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:02 AM

Qu. Wouldnt the extra length + larger sail area + stripped insides etc be starting to err on the side of them getting bumped up to IRC div B? Cant seem to find the div C ratings from the previous regattas atm but would think that must be getting towards the top of it? Im sure they have it sussed and are sitting nicely just under the rating cut off...

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:22 PM

In the old days Sydney Yachts would just ask CYCA to move the class limits after the NOR had issued

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 01:24 AM


$300k!!?? Ouch.

I paid SGD65k for my BH36 (aka SYD36 ver1.o) in 2000.

Someone needed cash...right place, right time.

Loved that yacht...lots.


Yep, well over $AUD300k for the newest iteration, the 36CRs through 2006-9.


That would be right Flatty, I sold a used one a couple of years ago for a bit more than $300k and that owner dropped heaps on his buy in price.

Pick of the earlier boats was Hammo overall winning "Pamela C" with the closed in transom a la Local Hero but with a carbon stick. That is still a highly competitive boat, now renamed "Peregrine" and sailing out of Geelong in VIC. She was third in Div 2 at the Audi Sydney regatta and she just happens to be for sale with.... oh right, I know buy an ad :lol:
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 01:58 AM

Anyone got a pic of this wooden boom?

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:18 AM

Anyone got a pic of this wooden boom?


Don't expect to see this gorgeous high-gloss varnished woodgrain thing of beauty.

Probably painted black to look carbon-ish. ;)

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:19 AM

Peregrine is div c irc
Agree, nice looking boat and well sailed.



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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:26 AM

OK, back on topic sort of......

Here is a list of Sydney 36 (I think....??) along with a few ????, and some other S36's thatmay not currently be rated IRC.

We now rank just above the middle. I see we carry more sail area, and weight about middle of the bunch (based on DLR x L - crew x 85)

Mmmmhhhh....????

I might take a work break and think about it again later....

Poods

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:36 AM

Here's a close up of the boom:
http://www.sailingim...754e0e88765ab4b

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:55 AM

OK, back on topic sort of......

Here is a list of Sydney 36 (I think....??) along with a few ????, and some other S36's thatmay not currently be rated IRC.

We now rank just above the middle. I see we carry more sail area, and weight about middle of the bunch (based on DLR x L - crew x 85)

Mmmmhhhh....????

I might take a work break and think about it again later....

Poods


Local Hero 1.059? new rig??

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 04:15 AM

Poods a few answers to your comparision questions,

The TCC for Onya looks a bit out and more in line with the origional 36CR, there was a new 36CRX built two years back which is 1000kg lighter with a bunch of bucko mod's to it memory has its rating around 1.068 when launched.
Equinox is parked in middle harbour somewhere with only limited racing under a new owner, origional owner now has a RP42.
Eye Appeal racing out of Sydney 1.053
Philosophers is no longer a true 36 as the bow was changed to move the forestay further forward, plywood boom, sugar scoop and who knows what else has been done out of site.
I also heard a rumor the hero might be moving into retirement with crew moving to a bigger boat

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:03 AM

OK, back on topic sort of......

Here is a list of Sydney 36 (I think....??) along with a few ????, and some other S36's thatmay not currently be rated IRC.

We now rank just above the middle. I see we carry more sail area, and weight about middle of the bunch (based on DLR x L - crew x 85)

Mmmmhhhh....????

I might take a work break and think about it again later....

Poods


Sold mine into Hong Kong in 2001 (?...struggling here).

I think i might've ended up at Aberdeen Yacht Club. Don't know current name or IRC TCC but I think it's still there.

New owner put f-ing furler on the headsail.

Grrrrr....

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:18 AM


Anyone got a pic of this wooden boom?


Don't expect to see this gorgeous high-gloss varnished woodgrain thing of beauty.

Probably painted black to look carbon-ish. ;)


Can Sorro see far enough to admire his boom - black, white or otherwise?

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 07:06 AM



Anyone got a pic of this wooden boom?


Don't expect to see this gorgeous high-gloss varnished woodgrain thing of beauty.

Probably painted black to look carbon-ish. ;)


Can Sorro see far enough to admire his boom - black, white or otherwise?


No idea. Wouldn't know Sorro if he kicked me in the shins.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 09:26 AM


OK, back on topic sort of......

Here is a list of Sydney 36 (I think....??) along with a few ????, and some other S36's thatmay not currently be rated IRC.

We now rank just above the middle. I see we carry more sail area, and weight about middle of the bunch (based on DLR x L - crew x 85)

Mmmmhhhh....????

I might take a work break and think about it again later....

Poods


Local Hero 1.059? new rig??


Same rig, no overlapping headsails. Well thats the way it was at Audi..........

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 09:53 AM

Sorro's scoop and boom, courtesy of Sailingimages.net


I can also help you with the whereabouts of Impetuous Too

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 10:14 AM

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:20 PM

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:55 PM


YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?


<_<

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:29 PM


YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.


You own a boat?


iPad/iPod related double post?

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 11:18 PM



OK, back on topic sort of......

Here is a list of Sydney 36 (I think....??) along with a few ????, and some other S36's thatmay not currently be rated IRC.

We now rank just above the middle. I see we carry more sail area, and weight about middle of the bunch (based on DLR x L - crew x 85)

Mmmmhhhh....????

I might take a work break and think about it again later....

Poods


Local Hero 1.059? new rig??


Same rig, no overlapping headsails. Well thats the way it was at Audi..........


If LH is 1.059 its up a few clicks since hammo last yr I think.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 02:12 AM

at one point LH was 1.075ish i think. maybe a bit higher?? big change...runners still there?? does she still have a MH forestay or did that change too?

has IRC wound back the numbers for the Syds compared to say the Archies??

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 09:58 AM

Local Hero, alive and well and not in retirement (as yet) - can't let go. Currently at Noakes for TLC. Hopefully, will venture north (Hamo) pickup another Audi?, rain on Sorro's parade? with Canberra Yacht Club crew. Usual crew moved on.Evo mentioned TCC now at 1.059 - correct (up from 1.056). The never ending story of 'why'- have done a lot of research and referred to RORC again! Yacht, since I have owned it, has been weighed, remeasured and 'keel' type revised and in each case penalised. Granted original information supplied (before my time) probably 'sus'. To remain competitive reduced sail area (substantially) - Genoas to jibs / main reduction (roach etc). Sail areas are now I believe well under the competition. The only advantage is weight which is a great help! competing against newer Sydney 36s offshore - heavier/stiffer.
Don't know if anyone has read 'IRC 2011 TCC Changes' re 'Light Racing Boats' - L/H is the exception to what they are saying. The only change to my certificate has been "HF'(5.7 to 5.9) resulting I believe in my higher TCC. As far as I know the TCCs for the other Sydney 36s I compete against have all gone down (age factor) despite their 'HFs' going up- to be verified (perhaps someone can help?). If this is the case the system is 'F'. Methinks, a recent Hobart result (perhaps Hamo last year)has had an influence on RORC thinking re 'HF' despite their comments that it is not a handicap system whereby a good crew penalised. Please note we achieved 3rd in division (Hobart) TCC/HF up,would love to know how "koomooloo" (1st in division) and L'altra Donna (2nd in division) fared with their TCC/HFs.
Feedback appreciated, also, is there any difference between a BH36 and a Sydney36 Hull. RORC says there is!

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:32 AM

Appreciate help from 'tuf-luf' re BH36s. 'Foxy Lady' IRC 2005 Certificate shows 'HF' at 9.3 (Local Hero 9.5) Believe they are sister yachts produced within months of one another (late 1995/1996). Was there a 'hull' change or did 'Foxy Lady' have more creature comforts such as refrigeration etc to warrant a lower 'HF'

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 10:53 AM

Local Hero, alive and well and not in retirement (as yet) - can't let go. Currently at Noakes for TLC. Hopefully, will venture north (Hamo) pickup another Audi?, rain on Sorro's parade? with Canberra Yacht Club crew. Usual crew moved on.Evo mentioned TCC now at 1.059 - correct (up from 1.056). The never ending story of 'why'- have done a lot of research and referred to RORC again! Yacht, since I have owned it, has been weighed, remeasured and 'keel' type revised and in each case penalised. Granted original information supplied (before my time) probably 'sus'. To remain competitive reduced sail area (substantially) - Genoas to jibs / main reduction (roach etc). Sail areas are now I believe well under the competition. The only advantage is weight which is a great help! competing against newer Sydney 36s offshore - heavier/stiffer.
Don't know if anyone has read 'IRC 2011 TCC Changes' re 'Light Racing Boats' - L/H is the exception to what they are saying. The only change to my certificate has been "HF'(5.7 to 5.9) resulting I believe in my higher TCC. As far as I know the TCCs for the other Sydney 36s I compete against have all gone down (age factor) despite their 'HFs' going up- to be verified (perhaps someone can help?). If this is the case the system is 'F'. Methinks, a recent Hobart result (perhaps Hamo last year)has had an influence on RORC thinking re 'HF' despite their comments that it is not a handicap system whereby a good crew penalised. Please note we achieved 3rd in division (Hobart) TCC/HF up,would love to know how "koomooloo" (1st in division) and L'altra Donna (2nd in division) fared with their TCC/HFs.
Feedback appreciated, also, is there any difference between a BH36 and a Sydney36 Hull. RORC says there is!

l'A D unchanged at 1.065. that number is likely to be falling due to remeasuing some sails and some scissors

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 11:29 AM

Appreciate help from 'tuf-luf' re BH36s. 'Foxy Lady' IRC 2005 Certificate shows 'HF' at 9.3 (Local Hero 9.5) Believe they are sister yachts produced within months of one another (late 1995/1996). Was there a 'hull' change or did 'Foxy Lady' have more creature comforts such as refrigeration etc to warrant a lower 'HF'


Foxy/BH36 was all stock down below. I removed 200kg of lead bricks previous owner put beneath the floorboards (in a lame attempt to manipulate the rating) as soon as I took ownership. Apart from that, it was all original below decks (i.e. no refrigeration, only metho stove, closed head, functional forward berth etc).

No hull difference as far as I know. LH might've been one of the *ahem* more competitively constructed hulls that Basho (may he RIP) was famous for (?).

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:14 PM



$300k!!?? Ouch.

I paid SGD65k for my BH36 (aka SYD36 ver1.o) in 2000.

Someone needed cash...right place, right time.

Loved that yacht...lots.


Yep, well over $AUD300k for the newest iteration, the 36CRs through 2006-9.

Pick of the earlier boats was Hammo overall winning "Pamela C"

Ditto re Pammie C....

Talk about bringing back very fond memories of a most awesome, successful & fun week. One of the many highlights that week was the midweek crew party in the penthouse at the Reef....Col & Stan playing dualing banjoes (think Tom & Phil Emmanual - that good!) it was brilliant!

Lots lots more memories...what a week, what a great boat :)
PP

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:20 PM

Silver Fox,

There does seem to be something fishy going on with Syd 36 IRC Certs and probably every other boat depending on the whim of the RORC. I have just looked back at some old certs I have and can advise hull factor 9.5 in 2006 & 2008 and 9.7 in 2009??

Not sure how an existing designs hull factor moves 0.1 a year over 4 years???? Anyone from RORC like to explain if your reading .....

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 01:30 AM

Morning All,

Good to hear some useful S36 feedback. I though you lot might know more about the design differnces of a BH36, and the various S36 models (S, CR, etc) ;) TWU was hull #3623 (S36 number 23..??) completed 22/3/04

Our HF was 9.5 in 2008, increased to 9.7 in 2009, and stayed there since. I thought that might also explain why our rating was higher, but at our recent IRC forum, Glen ASSURED us that HF had an almost trivial impact on overall IRC rating....

We went from 1.066 (2010) to 1.064 this year (age allowance, no changes). We then had her remeasured & weighed (sails smaller, hull heavier), and IRC reduced to 1.057.

With regard to rationalising the various S36 IRC ratings, I reckon the order of importance would be:
1. Weight
2. Sail area
3. Rig, etc
(Assuming of course that hulls are affectively idential - BH36..??)

You can determine weight from DLR on the IRC list, and I'm still working on normalising this (delta speed (& IRC) proportional to 1/6 delta weight...???)

It would be great to add in sail area too, but not readily avialable.

Time for a work break, I might try & crunch a few S36 IRC numbers later based on weight adjustment & see how they look...

Poods B)

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 03:22 AM

You are kidding me right!

You believe what Yachting Arsehats say in respect to any issue with IRC

Simple question

If Hf does not matter why do they keep changing it even though boat configuration has not changed.

Alternatively it changes beacause a whole lot of boats had suspect application forms to start with.

The only instance where Hf has changed may be because of the keel type amendment two years ago

This of course demonstrates the HF bullshit as the keel type amendments reflects stabilty which is speed by another word

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:19 AM

If Hf does not matter why do they keep changing it even though boat configuration has not changed.


Hull factor = fudge factor.

Learn to accept this.;)

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:30 AM


If Hf does not matter why do they keep changing it even though boat configuration has not changed.


Hull factor = fudge factor.

Learn to accept this.;)

I accepted this long ago don't worry.

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:38 AM

I can't believe the molds didn't sell, just been re listed. B)

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 05:23 AM

You are kidding me right!

You believe what Yachting Arsehats say in respect to any issue with IRC

Simple question

If Hf does not matter why do they keep changing it even though boat configuration has not changed.

Alternatively it changes beacause a whole lot of boats had suspect application forms to start with.

The only instance where Hf has changed may be because of the keel type amendment two years ago

This of course demonstrates the HF bullshit as the keel type amendments reflects stabilty which is speed by another word


Bingo! I new it - was just looking in the wrong thread.

Before anyone pays 300k for an s36, you can have my BH41 for only $300,001.00. I will take Aus OR US dollors at that price.

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 09:14 AM

Thanks 'Tuf -Luf', your Bh36 sounds identical to mine and I note your other comments!
You probably noted my original comments in the 'thread' re weight, measurements and 'keel' type and how I have been punished on each occasion. However, what really hurt was 'keel' type (torpedo). RORC jumped on me saying no not according to our records. On a previous 'Anarchy' thread there was a picture of your yacht - same 'keel'?
A lot of 'blood, sweat & tears' gone into making the yacht competitive and with recent increase in TCC totally frustrated.

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Posted 15 July 2011 - 10:30 AM

Thanks 'Tuf -Luf', your Bh36 sounds identical to mine and I note your other comments!
You probably noted my original comments in the 'thread' re weight, measurements and 'keel' type and how I have been punished on each occasion. However, what really hurt was 'keel' type (torpedo). RORC jumped on me saying no not according to our records. On a previous 'Anarchy' thread there was a picture of your yacht - same 'keel'?
A lot of 'blood, sweat & tears' gone into making the yacht competitive and with recent increase in TCC totally frustrated.






What you have really just said is that your boat in just another Sydney 36 that had a false keel description when first measured at launch

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 06:43 AM

there are lots of boats that are great boats but just not many of them around.


Walter, Walter, Walter....did you really say that? What would your 8th grade english teacher do to your ears?

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 07:22 AM

Lydia probably 'spot-on' re Keel Type. Believe L/H was the first production boat, 'Kingtide' the plug (wooden?) and possibly a lot of stuff (weight and measurements) may have been accepted from the latter without true verification including the 'keel'
Anyway would still like to verify if there is any difference between the 'mold' for a BH36 (1995 vintage) and Sydney 36s produced since. Usual channels for answers (Sydney Yachts) of no help.'Tuf-Luf' suggested no difference.
RORC believes there is a difference in 'hull' shape?

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 12:43 AM

Pete...have you tried contacting Andy Dovell directly? He's been very accessible when needed and will have the answers

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 07:01 AM

S36 'Gauntlet' won the QLD IRC championships only a couple of weeks ago. I know this is not exactly the worlds, but they beat some good well sailed boats to win it. I am sure Lydia will be along with some thoughts on this shortly. Standby.

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 09:07 AM

the franken syd36 looks a pretty likely contender for southport. with the sugar scoop and mods, their rating has dropped from 1.065 to 1.061, going to be hard to beat in irc4

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 01:04 AM

Just glanced at the Hammo IRC-C standings. Top Three. Noice!!

http://www.topyacht....cDivC/SGrp3.htm

Poods

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:38 AM

Just glanced at the Hammo IRC-C standings. Top Three. Noice!!

http://www.topyacht....cDivC/SGrp3.htm

Poods


Cool! Still a great IRC ride :-)

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:01 AM

I can't believe the molds didn't sell, just been re listed. B)



Are they back on still?

Tough business... even if you got them for free you've got to be willing to sink £20k into them for moving and storage and you still might not get a boat out of them.

Then you are looking at about £70-£100k just for materials.
Plus about 5,000 man hours if you know what you are doing and have experienced builders who can knock out a boat that quick. They probably could only get that low after the first 5.


The Luctor / Lutra tooling is also for sale.... not sure how long that has been for sale.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:50 AM

No longer listed, not sure if they sold or not.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:54 AM

Posted Image

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:58 AM

Just glanced at the Hammo IRC-C standings. Top Three. Noice!!

http://www.topyacht....cDivC/SGrp3.htm

Poods

3 outta 3 with the older boat 1st!

you'd think the moulds would be worth more now!




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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:04 AM

Then you are looking at about £70-£100k just for materials.

no where near that much for the boat itself

£ 30k max,probably far less, look the price of two flying tigers as a guide, probably a similar mass in polyester, fibreglass and lead

no carbon no epoxy ya know

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:22 AM

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Then that means the surviving Sydney 36 must be worth a lot more - Like an Amy Whinehouse CD!!!! :lol:

Whilst the boys have been doing the S36 proud at Hammo, "This Way Up" has been doing our own litle bit here on the West Coast. We've just headed back up the creek to Freshie from Freo, after having a cracker Winter Series with the FSC Valmadre & Inshore Series (TA will vouch for me here!!!) Our latest video, hot off the iMac is below. I tried to load it onto GoPro Friday, but my concentration span with confusing websites runs out after 7 seconds. Unless there's cleavage to keep me focussed. I'll try & email it instead....

Turn the sound up loud......

http://youtu.be/ZQaLFEV07cY

edit: I'm still struggling with these websites...... :blink:

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:32 AM


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Then that means the surviving Sydney 36 must be worth a lot more - Like an Amy Whinehouse CD!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Whilst the boys have been doing the S36 proud at Hammo, we've been doing our own litle bit here on the West Coast. We've just headed back up the creek to Freshie from Freo, after having a cracker Winter Series with the FSC Valmadre & Inshore Series (TA will vouch for me here!!!) Our latest video, hot off the iMac is below. I tried to load it onto GoPro Friday, but my concentration span with confusing websites runs out after 7 seconds. Unless there's cleavage to keep me focussed. I'll try & email it instead....

Turn the sound up load......


<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.c...bed/ZQaLFEV07cY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Don't get me wrong Poodle...my fireplace was speculation, no confirmation.

You can keep your Amy W CD, by the way.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:46 AM


Then you are looking at about £70-£100k just for materials.

no where near that much for the boat itself

£ 30k max,probably far less, look the price of two flying tigers as a guide, probably a similar mass in polyester, fibreglass and lead

no carbon no epoxy ya know



Yes you are most likely right.

My numbers were based on something I did with sprint from SP systems on a slightly bigger scale. The foam and epoxy was about £25k for that.

Most of the time the costs seem reasonable-ish. Until you add labour.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:58 AM

Time for rehab Poods...

Yes he did have a cracking series, for a past S&S 34 sailor...

So your playing the futures market in S36's now Poods, me thinks you should be talking with Albany Guy, right down his alley.

Here you go you tech dweeb.



Cheers for the beers and cheers on Sat night, just what was needed.

#92 The Advocate

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 10:14 AM

Tuffie, mate. I cant believe your un EPA approach. Shame on you.

Would be more likely...

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 10:42 AM

Time for rehab Poods...

Yes he did have a cracking series, for a past S&S 34 sailor...

So your playing the futures market in S36's now Poods, me thinks you should be talking with Albany Guy, right down his alley.

Here you go you tech dweeb.



Cheers for the beers and cheers on Sat night, just what was needed.


Thx TA - That's what I was trying to do!!! Now how about front page of FD...??? Posted Image

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I've emailed it in for GoPro Friday - We'll have to see whether it rises to the top of the swill Posted Image

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:19 AM

A slight reshuffle in the top 3......

http://www.topyacht....cDivC/SGrp3.htm

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:39 AM

Time for rehab Poods...

Yes he did have a cracking series, for a past S&S 34 sailor...

So your playing the futures market in S36's now Poods, me thinks you should be talking with Albany Guy, right down his alley.


No futures market if there are no moulds but hey that doesn't stop the crack heads on Wall St so let's create a derivative contract of our own.
Need a catchy name for it though. Any ideas? I'll write you into a piece of the action.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 06:54 AM


Time for rehab Poods...

Yes he did have a cracking series, for a past S&S 34 sailor...

So your playing the futures market in S36's now Poods, me thinks you should be talking with Albany Guy, right down his alley.


No futures market if there are no moulds but hey that doesn't stop the crack heads on Wall St so let's create a derivative contract of our own.
Need a catchy name for it though. Any ideas? I'll write you into a piece of the action.

Poseidon

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:00 AM

The "ENRON Yawl".......?????



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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:02 AM



Time for rehab Poods...

Yes he did have a cracking series, for a past S&S 34 sailor...

So your playing the futures market in S36's now Poods, me thinks you should be talking with Albany Guy, right down his alley.


No futures market if there are no moulds but hey that doesn't stop the crack heads on Wall St so let's create a derivative contract of our own.
Need a catchy name for it though. Any ideas? I'll write you into a piece of the action.

Poseidon


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good one TA. I remember those days. One of our crew sold a single share in the week before the Hobart race and gifted the owner a new spinnaker halyard and a slightly used Hood No 1 from Balandra - as well as paying for the vittling and beer!

Can't go wrong!

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 04:29 AM

S36 'Gauntlet' won the QLD IRC championships only a couple of weeks ago. I know this is not exactly the worlds, but they beat some good well sailed boats to win it. I am sure Lydia will be along with some thoughts on this shortly. Standby.


Life Buoy,

Gantlet is a great boat and we worked very hard for that win.

She is a stock standard 36 sports. We carry a assi on a re-trackable pole that is 1.8 m long, so we need to sail the angles down wind which can be our down fall some times. Other that it's a fun boat.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 09:51 AM

OK you Sydney 36 plonkers, who's still following this thread...?????

We've made a new video (or the first in a while worth watching) - The 48nm Coventry reef race last Saturday. Was pretty full-on. Gets better towards the 5.00 mark.

Enjoy.

Poods ;-)

http://youtu.be/-3TMBwdVc08




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