Henderson 30?
#1
Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:14 PM
Cheers
#2
Posted 07 August 2011 - 12:58 AM
#3
Posted 07 August 2011 - 02:06 AM
Looking for advise on buying a Henderson 30 or other possible contender.
Cheers
I still like my Hendo a lot. Had it for eleven seasons and still having fun. You can PM me if you have any questions.
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#4
Posted 07 August 2011 - 04:12 AM
Contenders and Henderson 30s are both nice but pretty different. Do you want to sail solo or with friends?
It looks like the contenders just had their worlds. 144 boats.
#5
Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:28 AM
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 10:00 PM
#7
Posted 08 August 2011 - 12:51 PM
My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.
#8
Posted 08 August 2011 - 12:58 PM
#9
Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:32 PM
Got your PM and PM from a few others, so I figured I'd post here. The answer to your question on how the boats are holding up follows. These boats are holding up amazingly well. I have put over 15000 NM on the boat in the last 10 years with no major problems to report. The only ongoing issue I have had is with the rudder bearings. It appears to me that the rudder bearings were not quite up to the job initially. The problem is that the races are made of gelcoated fiberglass. Over time you wear through the gelcoat and into the fiberglass wth the balls in the race and eventually get mechanical binding. About every three years I have had to do some work on the races. I have used West System epoxy with graphite additive to do the repairs. I recently have switched from the graphite filler to 404, High density adhesive for a filler. This is working great and I think with the hardness of this product I might have come up with a much longer term fix. Other than the bearing issue there is no major issues. We don't even have much spider web cracking of gelcoat. It is pretty amazing.
You also wanted to know about the ability to pick up the keel coming in and out of the marina. WE do this every time we sail. We pick up the keel 4' and secure it with the clam shells that come with the boat every time we return to the marina. The boat CANNOT be sailed with the keel up and should only be lifted in fairly calm (less than 1') waves. Until the clam shell clamps are in place the keel will dance around in waves. Most of the boats came with an electric hoist. It must be rigged every time you lift the keel. It takes about 5 minutes for us to rig the keel lifting gear. CAUTION!! We replace our keel lifting cable annually.
If you plan to do road trips with the boat it trailers great. Again there is two versions out there. Some of the boats have an extra set of clam shells and can pull the keel up 6' and this makes the boat ramp launchable. This is what we have. The mast can be raised and lowered without assistance if desired. It isn;t bad lowering the mast with four people, but it is tough raising it. We have added a portable gin pole that we carry with us and we can move around to various places and be self sufficent. The boat single point lifts well. It does come up nose heavy so you will need a strap from the lifting straps to the bow.
#10
Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:45 PM
Runners: PITA, but they are a gas pedal for the boat
Downwind..........
I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.
My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.
#11
Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:50 PM
OWNERS MANUAL Henderson 30.pdf 174.19K
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 02:11 PM
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 06:51 PM
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 08:10 PM
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 09:30 PM
#16
Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:01 AM
Here is a pic of the Henderson on the trailer. Pretty nice package to tow around.
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#17
Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:10 AM
Here is a pic of the Henderson on the trailer. Pretty nice package to tow around.
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:10 AM
Here is a pic of the Henderson on the trailer. Pretty nice package to tow around.
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#19
Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:43 AM
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#20
Posted 09 August 2011 - 05:42 PM
Need a lot of crew.
Have Runners
Wet offshore
Sort of outdated design (crush them with the Tiger)
Buddy of mine is selling his right now. They took it in the Cabo race and have done really well around Southern California. Super fun boats with the right crew but it takes people knowing what they are doing, plus a bunch of people to hold the boats down.
#21
Posted 10 August 2011 - 09:26 PM
FT 10 is still in production, current design, no runners, get by with less crew,
#22
Posted 11 August 2011 - 05:12 PM
I have been racing on them in Southern California for years.
Need a lot of crew.
Have Runners
Wet offshore
Sort of outdated design (crush them with the Tiger)
Buddy of mine is selling his right now. They took it in the Cabo race and have done really well around Southern California. Super fun boats with the right crew but it takes people knowing what they are doing, plus a bunch of people to hold the boats down.
#23
Posted 11 August 2011 - 05:15 PM
compare it with the FT10.... Eerie crews on one when he isn't using his Hendo or they are going head to head
FT 10 is still in production, current design, no runners, get by with less crew,
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#25
Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:51 PM
compare it with the FT10.... Eerie crews on one when he isn't using his Hendo or they are going head to head
FT 10 is still in production, current design, no runners, get by with less crew,
Are you sure the FT 10 is still in production? The class website hasn't been updated since October of last year and "FlyingTigerBoats.com" hasn't been updated since april, 2011, and nowhwere on the site is there information about how to order a 10 - or a 7.5 for that matter.
There are some used ones on the market, though.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:12 PM
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 02:36 AM
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 06:40 PM
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#29
Posted 14 September 2011 - 09:19 PM
Looking for advise on buying a Henderson 30 or other possible contender.
Cheers
I may have one for sale in your neighborhood; FT10 on a trailer in Pensacola.
#30
Posted 01 April 2012 - 04:07 AM
#31
Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:31 PM
Ok so it's great in light air but how about the heavy air of SF Bay? How are they holding up in NorCal?
Not a problem... a few in the Bay Area... Ft 10 do well in the Whidby Island heavy air races...
I don't enjoy racing my lead mine in 35+, I don't enjoy racing the FT10 in 35+, we have done it and averaged 23.3 knots for about 40 miles... in more modest conditions speeds in mid to high teens, fully powered up in 12knots, travels well, great boat to take to marquis events for some handicap or OD racing, great versitile platform for anywhere on any coast in any conditions
#32
Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:41 PM
#33
Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:35 PM
Thanks,
jason
#34
Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:26 PM
Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?
Thanks,
jason
In Mass Bay, the H30 is an A class boat, rates 45, and sails against Farr 395s, IMX40s, CoS-1, and a few others. I've heard "complaints" that in most w/l races, it's hard for them to beat some of these bigger guys because of the asym vs. sym issues, but they definitely have their days. Both of the H30s in Boston have had their share of success. In terms of your question, generally placed with the heavier racer/cruisers. You can't put an H30 in the same class with the Vipers and Elliotts and similar because the numeric difference means they're sailing an entirely different race.
#35
Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:01 PM
Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?
Thanks,
jason
#36
Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:00 AM
#37
Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:43 PM
I can give you contact info for the owners if you want to try to talk them into some travel racing.
Cheers,
jason
Put them in the racer /cruiser class. In light air they will do well, 8-12 kt w/l they will suffer, and over 14 offwind they will do well. How many days a year do you guys sail in planing conditions? Looking at your club PHRF boats J109s, Benny 47, J105.....................This seems like where the Henderson belongs. They will have to sail well to win.. Where do they want to sail?
Someone at our club is getting a Henderson 30. It looks like a fun boat to race! For PHRF class placement, would you folks put it with other lightweight planing boats like the Viper, and have a big numeric gap but similar performance curves, or with heavier, longer racer/cruisers that are much closer in rating but have way less planing potential?
Thanks,
jason
#38
Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:32 AM
How about a S/B regatta in Ft Pierce before or after the Noods. August would be okay too as I could store a couple of boats at my place until the NoodsIf there is any interest, I'd like to get some Henderson's together again someday for some racing. I have August available this year if anybody has a cool regatta in their backyard. My long range plans include ST Pete NOOD next Feb.
#39
Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:18 PM
#40
Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:22 PM
Fun boats but a little out-dated. Need 9 people to race W/L in anything over 8kts of breeze. My buddies took the Hedo 30 "Reach Around" in the Cabo Race a few years ago.... email me if want details on the boat
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 04:00 AM
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#43
Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:56 PM
Jealous,
jason
Edit, I think the official spelling is BUFFALO TH30RY
#45
Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:56 AM
#46
Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:25 PM
Thanks,
Kevin L.
Henderson 30 "Say Uncle" 117
#47
Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:01 PM
do you have the contact info for the two in mass bay? If not, I'll get it for you.Attention ALL Henderson 30 Sailors..........................I've been exchanging E-mails with a few of you over the last few months. I've been encouraged to try and get a contact list together so that we can communicate about boat related topics and maybe some future racing. Please PM me your contact information.
Thanks,
Kevin L.
Henderson 30 "Say Uncle" 117
#48
Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:30 PM
#49
Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:16 AM
http://www.vtsailing.com
Cheers,
jason
#50
Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:45 AM
If you need to get ahold of Buffalo Theory (#120), one of the co-owners Bill Fastiggi owns Vermont Sailing Partners:
http://www.vtsailing.com
Cheers,
jason
Kevin, Bill and I have been exchanging emails
#51
Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:38 PM
Did anyone else reach out to you? How about "Purple Haze" out in Long Island ? I think two are out in the west coast...
#52
Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:55 AM
Working on the Sarnia Ontario boats also.
#53
Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:21 PM
10+ people? We sailed ours with 7 or 8. 10 is very slow. Too heavy and not enough room.I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.
My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.
#54
Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:25 PM
maybe a little bit of hyperbole but I do know that the two in boston harbor sail with at least 8 whenever they can. I've been on one of them with 6 and we spent the whole day overpowered in 12 knots. I'm pretty sure HoG sails with 9, but they also sail with a lot of people a lot lighter than me.10+ people? We sailed ours with 7 or 8. 10 is very slow. Too heavy and not enough room.
I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.
My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.
#55
Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:43 AM
#56
Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:52 AM
With a six man crew in 12 kts it might be time to think about using the three ( I don't carry a two anymore). Unless you have tuned the rig for heavy air this might be the fastest way uphill. If you want to carry the 1 in these conditions, Jib leads aft, crank on the backstay and crank on the runners, and have a good maintrimmer to maintain the balance on the boat .If it is really puffy the helmsman usually plays his own traveler. Not so puffy helm plays his backstay and leaves the traveller to maintrimmer.maybe a little bit of hyperbole but I do know that the two in boston harbor sail with at least 8 whenever they can. I've been on one of them with 6 and we spent the whole day overpowered in 12 knots. I'm pretty sure HoG sails with 9, but they also sail with a lot of people a lot lighter than me.
10+ people? We sailed ours with 7 or 8. 10 is very slow. Too heavy and not enough room.
I don't have a lot of experience with the Hendos but based on my limited number of sails, they are fun and fast and can be really competitive with like-rated boats. They also need like 11 people to keep them flat, they need a main trimmer who knows what they're doing - no, I know all boats need that but no boat I've been on has been so completely steered by the main as the H30, probably because of the size and shape of the rudder it doesn't give you much forgiveness, and runners are a PITA in my opinion. However, they are definitely fast. I like their responsiveness, and when they're planing they are insanely sweet. There are two in the Boston area and they *seem* to sail pretty well to their rating, most of the time.
My biggest concern would always be getting the 10+ people each week to keep it going. It's only 5' longer than my Elliott and needs twice the crew to be competitive.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:26 AM
#59
Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:24 AM
great fun !
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:34 AM
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:52 PM
#62
Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:33 PM
How about Miami to Nassau and Ft Lauderdale to Key West or do I have to rent a life raftI've done CRW twice. GOOD TIMES! Not in the cards for me either this year.
#63
Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:45 PM
These races sound like fun!! And I have raft.How about Miami to Nassau and Ft Lauderdale to Key West or do I have to rent a life raft
I've done CRW twice. GOOD TIMES! Not in the cards for me either this year.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:54 PM
#65
Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:11 AM
Will do.miami to nassau sounds fun, let me know if you need crew!
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:55 AM
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:23 PM
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:54 PM
#69
Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:03 AM
You doing WIRW?I bought Girl Friend #107 out of Sarnia Ontario now in seattle
#70
Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:55 PM
Wow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.
Boobs?
#71
Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:06 PM
#72
Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:36 PM
What's it rate? I mean considering it's not a sportsboatWow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.
Or did you mean in general that Gybeset hasn't rushed in to explain why it'd never be considered a sportboat downunda?
#73
Posted 01 April 2013 - 04:19 PM
Or did you mean in general that Gybeset hasn't rushed in to explain why it'd never be considered a sportboat downunda?
Wow. A thread that's more than a year and a half old about a 30 footer in SB Anarchy. Can anyone tell me what's missing in this thread? Winner gets an Annapolis Race Week decal and spider-line alligator clip hat-saver.
DING DING DING!! we have a winner, folks. Yes the famous GS has not chimed in, wondering WTF this thread is doing in SBA. IT'S A SPORTS YACHT!!
PM me for the swag.
#74
Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:09 PM
Congrats!! I wasn't aware that GF headed west.I bought Girl Friend #107 out of Sarnia Ontario now in seattle
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:42 PM
#76
Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:59 PM
What hull number is Gardyloo?
#77
Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:10 PM
#78
Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:25 AM
Here is a guide I put together in the last 20 minutes for a couple of guys on how to dissassemble the Henderson rudder bearings. I haven't really proof read it in detail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense or if it needs more detail
Eerie.
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#79
Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:10 PM
Gardyloo is Hull #16 if my paperwork is correct
#80
Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:22 PM
Thanks for the update!!
Gardyloo is Hull #16 if my paperwork is correct
#81
Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:36 PM
Here is a guide I put together in the last 20 minutes for a couple of guys on how to dissassemble the Henderson rudder bearings. I haven't really proof read it in detail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense or if it needs more detail
Eerie.
Please let me know how the new races work. We have to fix the bearings every few years.
#82
Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:45 AM
I'll let you know how it goes. Boat gets wet Thursday. Right now I have the fit slightly snug. Might have to open the races up slightly. But since there is no making them smaller, I will try snug first.
Here is a guide I put together in the last 20 minutes for a couple of guys on how to dissassemble the Henderson rudder bearings. I haven't really proof read it in detail. Let me know if it doesn't make sense or if it needs more detail
Eerie.
Please let me know how the new races work. We have to fix the bearings every few years.
#83
Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:48 PM
Here is one of my favorite Henderson 30 documents .. This is one of the first PHRF certificates issued.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:04 AM
#85
Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:55 AM
I hope you won every single race with that rating.................Holy cow - one of the bigger gift ratings I have seen. Did you give blowjobs to the entire PHRF committee?
Here is one of my favorite Henderson 30 documents .. This is one of the first PHRF certificates issued.
#86
Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:40 AM
I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.
#87
Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:51 PM
I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.
Ouch....
#88
Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:40 AM
I wish I had that rating. That was the rating given out of the box to Hendersons. My original rating for the boat was 39. Two weeks later it was changed to 36.
That's a bit of tough love. The boat probably belongs at 45
#89
Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:19 PM
Rates 45 (base) in PHRF NE and that's still a tough number to sail to...
#90
Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:15 PM
I currently rate 42 on Lake Erie and 51 Detroit Regional Yacht racing Association (DRYA)
Rates 45 (base) in PHRF NE and that's still a tough number to sail to...
#91
Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:40 PM
Gardyloo started out in 2007 at 48, then adjusted to 54. Bad Kitty in Victoria rates 57, Girlfriend in Des Moines rates 57. Gardyloo is rated with a larger main. Race with Mumm/Farr 30's at 54 and FT10s at 57 here in the northwest
#92
Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:41 PM
The base in my region for a 155% Genoa Hendo is 45 spin. I have Fat head main and got a -1 for that and a +6 for 135% Genoa which = 50 spin rating
#93
Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:46 PM
Gardyloo started out in 2007 at 48, then adjusted to 54. Bad Kitty in Victoria rates 57, Girlfriend in Des Moines rates 57. Gardyloo is rated with a larger main. Race with Mumm/Farr 30's at 54 and FT10s at 57 here in the northwest
Partly because at the time a Synergy 1000 was being driven very hard by a very good crew. And Rated at 54 it was logical to put the Hendo 30 level with the S1000 that was beating it. Gardy is a good boat with a good crew, but in the races that we beat her, it was mostly starting line and course strategy that did it. We were ALWAYS hearing the footsteps behind us...
#94
Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:56 PM
We race a well prepared, well sailed Synergy once or twice a year. Upwind we seem to be tied together with a string. Off the wind both boats have slightly different sweet spots. As far as our handicap differences, I owe him time on Lake Erie, we are even on Lake St Clair and he owes me a bit of time under ORR.
#95
Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:08 AM
I trimmed main on New Wave for a few years in the late 90's. It was always a great battle against Zoom and a few of the other Henderson 30s. In 1996 it is/was a great design with a few cool innovations. nothing but good times.
#96
Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:07 AM
Any tips for trimming main that I can pass on to my main trimmer?
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