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[elle]

sounds like "trickle down" isn't kind to our nes pas.
you should invite him over for beer and popcorn at the roast...I heard there might also be fireworks. bacon has been banned though as it could negatively affect certain rich guys' egos( that is just a joke and not meant to cause any butt hurt... bacon enjoys wide popularity)

[elle]

Leaving aside the question of whether whatever was on SA was libelous..

What's he going to prove for damages?

Did this "comment" change anything at all about how his business would've turned out anyway?

Or, he's so thin-skinned that it's made his life less happy?

yeah...can't wait to hear that one....should be hilarious.

[Clove Hitch]

sounds like "trickle down" isn't kind to our nes pas.
you should invite him over for beer and popcorn at the roast...I heard there might also be fireworks. bacon has been banned though as it could negatively affect certain rich guys' egos( that is just a joke and not meant to cause any butt hurt... bacon enjoys wide popularity)

Indeed, it sounds like Nes Paz is one of the "occupy wall street types." Douche Rag better watch his step.

[Mojo Risin]

not this shit again....still find it utterly ridiculous that anyone, least of all a court of law, is taking this foolishness seriously. so the fat fuck (that's provable, right? anyone would have to agree) is still complaining that a comment, that may or may not have been said, that he himself brought to attention, gave him a sore assneck. what a tool (i can say that since it is commonly a screwdriver, hammer or somesuch).
he should buy himself a clue...people think he is a fool because of his own actions, not some alleged backroom offhand comment or a pic of his fat ass combined with an archaic term half (or more) people here couldn't have defined if he'd have bought them a pretty watch.

where in the world is nes pas san diego? he, surely, is the life of the party.

While you are entitled to your opinion, you are not the one that gets to make that determination.

I really like it when the defendants in the cases I file respond with outrage and disgust because there is no way they did anything wrong. They typically fight the thing the whole way because they simply cannot admit that maybe they screwed up and in doing so become blinded to the risk that they might lose and the exposure they face if they do. They typically bring that attitude into the courtroom, and the people that see it find that they do not like them very much (hint - judges and juries). In a lot of respects, those are often the easiest cases to win.

On the other hand, the defendants that fare much better are those that are not afraid to admit that they might have made a mistake and are willing to see if there is a settlement opportunity that makes business sense even though they might ultimately win.

There are actually very few frivolous lawsuits filed despite the perception fostered by the media that they are all frivolous. It seems that the judge does not believe this case to be frivolous, and I dare say that he/she probably has more experience as a judge than just about anyone on this forum.

By the way, I generally make a whole lot more off cases that fit into the first example than I do off those that involve more reasonable people.

[elle]

oh noes!
dorags' description brought to mind something more like gary busy in black sheep.

[DoRag]

oh noes!
dorags' description brought to mind something more like gary busy in black sheep.

Who is gary busy?

[elle]

gary busey misspelled.

[DoRag]

gary busey misspelled.

Ah, yes.

[Little Idea]

I thought a grifter was someone who worked hard.

[xfire]

I thought a grifter was someone who worked hard.

Contact the Editor immediately. He needs you as a witness.

[elle]

gary busey misspelled.

Ah, yes.

or maybe more like carl spackler....

[doora]

I thought a grifter was someone who worked hard.

Hi LI
Yes, on our side of the pond a grifter is a hard worker, but in the land of cowboys and injuns it is not a nice label to have.

BTW, did you get on the water much over the summer? I missed your updates.

And isnt it a little late for you or is school out?

[Little Idea]

Sorry.

Forgot to say Im Little Ideas dad. I must register and get my own account.

[prozak]

Grifter, grafter, gifter, laughter.

[DoRag]

gary busey misspelled.

Ah, yes.

or maybe more like carl spackler....

Interesting that you mention him. You must know that Bill Murray is under consideration for the lead role in the new movie "The Life and Times of Arturo Nes Pas - Process Server to the Stars".

[Clove Hitch]

On the other hand, the defendants that fare much better are those that are not afraid to admit that they might have made a mistake and are willing to see if there is a settlement opportunity that makes business sense even though they might ultimately win.

You don't seem too well informed on this case. Didn't the Ed. offer a front page apology and the morbidly obese guy laughed in his face?

At any rate, good for you for making a living off of bullshit cases like this. Go TORT reform!

[elle]

Interesting that you mention him. You must know that Bill Murray is under consideration for the lead role in the new movie "The Life and Times of Arturo Nes Pas - Process Server to the Stars".

no...i did not know that. hopefully it will get mr nes pas off the government cheese.

[Regatta Dog]

gary busey misspelled.

Ah, yes.

or maybe more like carl spackler....

Can this Carl guy tape and mud as well? And how is he with inside corners?

[PeterHuston]

not this shit again....still find it utterly ridiculous that anyone, least of all a court of law, is taking this foolishness seriously. so the fat fuck (that's provable, right? anyone would have to agree) is still complaining that a comment, that may or may not have been said, that he himself brought to attention, gave him a sore assneck. what a tool (i can say that since it is commonly a screwdriver, hammer or somesuch).
he should buy himself a clue...people think he is a fool because of his own actions, not some alleged backroom offhand comment or a pic of his fat ass combined with an archaic term half (or more) people here couldn't have defined if he'd have bought them a pretty watch.

where in the world is nes pas san diego? he, surely, is the life of the party.

Unfortunately, Mr Nes Pas has become yet another victum of the BHO economic policies. His employment is off until such time as DSM unleashes him to serve the notices. In the meantime, Mr. Nes Pas lives in a tent outside SDYC behind the tennis courts. He now uses food stamps to buy rice. He just patiently hangs out around his tent, humming softly, grunting occasionally, chatting with the Mexican gardners, sharpening his knife and collecting more camo bushes to put in his helmet.

Oh Rag....so disappointing. And here I thought you might actually be a humanitarian, and maybe would flip Mr. Nes Pas some work, teaching him all you know about longboarding J105's.

Doesn't yours need a new fairing job? Have Nes Pas go to work on that puppy.

[Faux Pas]

You know, I am a little tired of people here always using my name (Nes Pas) and presuming to know what I do or what I will do. Let me set the record straight. I do not now, nor have I ever worked for that fat pig Dan Meyers. Call Danno and ask him if you don't believe me, I am sure that vapid pile of puke, Do Rag has him on speed dial. That is the second thing, I am in no way connected to that slimy son of a smegma infested whore Do Rag. We don't have anything in common, I have never met that glistening pus filled pustule masquerading as a human being. That purulent pile of piss is still probably pissed off because I allegedly called him a REMF. Just to set the record straight, I said I knew a REMF named Do Rag, since I never met the SA Do Rag, how would that little horn dog think he was the same person? Hey, Douche Bag, if the shoe fits, huh? Besides, how can the fucker be so outraged, if he shows me a DD 214 with the name DoRag on it, I might believe him. I swear that idiot fucktard would be out of his depth in a glob of spit, let alone anywhere near a courtroom. Actually he is kind of like the evil version of Wofsey. You know, he comments about everything as though he is an expert but he really doesn't know Jack. I know Jack, Jack is a good friend of mine and believe me Do Rag doesn't know Jack. Only difference between Mikey and Do Rag is Mikey is kind of charming and inoffensive where as Douche Bag is completely lacking in charm and entirely offensive but other than that he is a complete asshole. Probably brothers from different mothers. (No offense Mikey, I like you dude.)

So all that aside, I just want folks to keep my good name out of this sordid lawsuit stuff. I am quietly retired and living in Poland and I just want to drink my vodka and ogle the beautiful Polish women in peace. If anybody would care to join me, just let me know. Sailing season is drawing to a close on the Baltic sea but the vodka is always cold and the fire is always hot at chez Pas.

[Clove Hitch]

You know, I am a little tired of people here always using my name (Nes Pas) and presuming to know what I do or what I will do. Let me set the record straight. I do not now, nor have I ever worked for that fat pig Dan Meyers. Call Danno and ask him if you don't believe me, I am sure that vapid pile of puke, Do Rag has him on speed dial. That is the second thing, I am in no way connected to that slimy son of a smegma infested whore Do Rag. We don't have anything in common, I have never met that glistening pus filled pustule masquerading as a human being. That purulent pile of piss is still probably pissed off because I allegedly called him a REMF. Just to set the record straight, I said I knew a REMF named Do Rag, since I never met the SA Do Rag, how would that little horn dog think he was the same person? Hey, Douche Bag, if the shoe fits, huh? Besides, how can the fucker be so outraged, if he shows me a DD 214 with the name DoRag on it, I might believe him. I swear that idiot fucktard would be out of his depth in a glob of spit, let alone anywhere near a courtroom. Actually he is kind of like the evil version of Wofsey. You know, he comments about everything as though he is an expert but he really doesn't know Jack. I know Jack, Jack is a good friend of mine and believe me Do Rag doesn't know Jack. Only difference between Mikey and Do Rag is Mikey is kind of charming and inoffensive where as Douche Bag is completely lacking in charm and entirely offensive but other than that he is a complete asshole. Probably brothers from different mothers. (No offense Mikey, I like you dude.)

So all that aside, I just want folks to keep my good name out of this sordid lawsuit stuff. I am quietly retired and living in Poland and I just want to drink my vodka and ogle the beautiful Polish women in peace. If anybody would care to join me, just let me know. Sailing season is drawing to a close on the Baltic sea but the vodka is always cold and the fire is always hot at chez Pas.

If I'm ever on the Baltic I'll look you up!

[Faux Pas]

You know, I am a little tired of people here always using my name (Nes Pas) and presuming to know what I do or what I will do. Let me set the record straight. I do not now, nor have I ever worked for that fat pig Dan Meyers. Call Danno and ask him if you don't believe me, I am sure that vapid pile of puke, Do Rag has him on speed dial. That is the second thing, I am in no way connected to that slimy son of a smegma infested whore Do Rag. We don't have anything in common, I have never met that glistening pus filled pustule masquerading as a human being. That purulent pile of piss is still probably pissed off because I allegedly called him a REMF. Just to set the record straight, I said I knew a REMF named Do Rag, since I never met the SA Do Rag, how would that little horn dog think he was the same person? Hey, Douche Bag, if the shoe fits, huh? Besides, how can the fucker be so outraged, if he shows me a DD 214 with the name DoRag on it, I might believe him. I swear that idiot fucktard would be out of his depth in a glob of spit, let alone anywhere near a courtroom. Actually he is kind of like the evil version of Wofsey. You know, he comments about everything as though he is an expert but he really doesn't know Jack. I know Jack, Jack is a good friend of mine and believe me Do Rag doesn't know Jack. Only difference between Mikey and Do Rag is Mikey is kind of charming and inoffensive where as Douche Bag is completely lacking in charm and entirely offensive but other than that he is a complete asshole. Probably brothers from different mothers. (No offense Mikey, I like you dude.)

So all that aside, I just want folks to keep my good name out of this sordid lawsuit stuff. I am quietly retired and living in Poland and I just want to drink my vodka and ogle the beautiful Polish women in peace. If anybody would care to join me, just let me know. Sailing season is drawing to a close on the Baltic sea but the vodka is always cold and the fire is always hot at chez Pas.

If I'm ever on the Baltic I'll look you up!

The door is always open! Just watch out that my 80 lb. hunk of Yellow Lab doesn't knock you over and start licking your face.

[jocal505]

You know, I am a little tired of people here always using my name (Nes Pas) and presuming to know what I do or what I will do. Let me set the record straight. I do not now, nor have I ever worked for that fat pig Dan Meyers. Call Danno and ask him if you don't believe me, I am sure that vapid pile of puke, Do Rag has him on speed dial. That is the second thing, I am in no way connected to that slimy son of a smegma infested whore Do Rag. We don't have anything in common, I have never met that glistening pus filled pustule masquerading as a human being. That purulent pile of piss is still probably pissed off because I allegedly called him a REMF. Just to set the record straight, I said I knew a REMF named Do Rag, since I never met the SA Do Rag, how would that little horn dog think he was the same person? Hey, Douche Bag, if the shoe fits, huh? Besides, how can the fucker be so outraged, if he shows me a DD 214 with the name DoRag on it, I might believe him. I swear that idiot fucktard would be out of his depth in a glob of spit, let alone anywhere near a courtroom. Actually he is kind of like the evil version of Wofsey. You know, he comments about everything as though he is an expert but he really doesn't know Jack. I know Jack, Jack is a good friend of mine and believe me Do Rag doesn't know Jack. Only difference between Mikey and Do Rag is Mikey is kind of charming and inoffensive where as Douche Bag is completely lacking in charm and entirely offensive but other than that he is a complete asshole. Probably brothers from different mothers. (No offense Mikey, I like you dude.)

So all that aside, I just want folks to keep my good name out of this sordid lawsuit stuff. I am quietly retired and living in Poland and I just want to drink my vodka and ogle the beautiful Polish women in peace. If anybody would care to join me, just let me know. Sailing season is drawing to a close on the Baltic sea but the vodka is always cold and the fire is always hot at chez Pas.

[Faux Pas]

You know, I am a little tired of people here always using my name (Nes Pas) and presuming to know what I do or what I will do. Let me set the record straight. I do not now, nor have I ever worked for that fat pig Dan Meyers. Call Danno and ask him if you don't believe me, I am sure that vapid pile of puke, Do Rag has him on speed dial. That is the second thing, I am in no way connected to that slimy son of a smegma infested whore Do Rag. We don't have anything in common, I have never met that glistening pus filled pustule masquerading as a human being. That purulent pile of piss is still probably pissed off because I allegedly called him a REMF. Just to set the record straight, I said I knew a REMF named Do Rag, since I never met the SA Do Rag, how would that little horn dog think he was the same person? Hey, Douche Bag, if the shoe fits, huh? Besides, how can the fucker be so outraged, if he shows me a DD 214 with the name DoRag on it, I might believe him. I swear that idiot fucktard would be out of his depth in a glob of spit, let alone anywhere near a courtroom. Actually he is kind of like the evil version of Wofsey. You know, he comments about everything as though he is an expert but he really doesn't know Jack. I know Jack, Jack is a good friend of mine and believe me Do Rag doesn't know Jack. Only difference between Mikey and Do Rag is Mikey is kind of charming and inoffensive where as Douche Bag is completely lacking in charm and entirely offensive but other than that he is a complete asshole. Probably brothers from different mothers. (No offense Mikey, I like you dude.)

So all that aside, I just want folks to keep my good name out of this sordid lawsuit stuff. I am quietly retired and living in Poland and I just want to drink my vodka and ogle the beautiful Polish women in peace. If anybody would care to join me, just let me know. Sailing season is drawing to a close on the Baltic sea but the vodka is always cold and the fire is always hot at chez Pas.

You da man Jocal!

[doghouse]

There are actually very few frivolous lawsuits filed despite the perception fostered by the media that they are all frivolous.

That is a complete load of horseshit.

[soak_ed]

There are actually very few frivolous lawsuits filed despite the perception fostered by the media that they are all frivolous.

That is a complete load of horseshit.

Well what do you expect, a lawyer wrote that. You know that evil media, always fostering perceptions and stuff.

[corkob]

I would suspect that before filing this suit, and it's not as if it was done on the spur of the moment, Dan Meyers and his lawyers would have given very serious consideration to the defence that would be raised. He was allegedly labelled a grifter and a white collar criminal by the Defendants. He knows that this is grounded on his resignation scandal and that it will be trawled up in detail at trial. He must be satisfied in his own mind that he did nothing dishonest or he would have been very foolish to bring this case. A breach of an ethics policy does not necessarily equate to dishonesty. It would have to be shown that an unfair advantage was actually gained. A unsuccessful defence of this action would cause him far more damage than the original alleged defamation. Also he hardly needs the money so that cant be his motivation. I doubt if any court will accept that just because Marblehead made a pot of money out of loans to students at higher than might have been interest rates and that the market collapsed subsequently, that that makes him as CEO a white collar criminal. He may have been opportunistic but that's not a crime. Unless SA have a few witnesses from the inside of First Marblehead or the Bank of America who are going to support an allegation of dishonesty I can't see how a defence can succeed. Also I am also sure that Meyer can dig up plenty instances in the Sailing Anarchy's postings that the most outrageous and malicious things have been said without a moderators intervention. To be fair it makes it entertaining reading from the outside, but for someone on the receiving end..............

[Tom Ray]

Woah! MK got the boot? Who saw that coming?

Thanks for the update JG.

I did? That's news to me.

Howdy, stranger. Planning a lee bow?
Gonna cover Numbers with an FT10.

Where are all the Photoshop wizards from the 1000 Days thread? This is a worthy subject for a cartoon.

[Sailabout]

I cant understand why the web site hasnt moved offshore and run by fictitious characters

[jocal505]

I cant understand why the web site hasnt moved offshore and run by fictitious characters

Might be a good idea but this is how we roll around here. Run it by this guy His legal concepts have held up quite well in this case btw.

[DoRag]

I cant understand why the web site hasnt moved offshore and run by fictitious characters

Well, the latter part of that has been done.

[Beer Can]

Leaving aside the question of whether whatever was on SA was libelous..

What's he going to prove for damages?

Did this "comment" change anything at all about how his business would've turned out anyway?

Or, he's so thin-skinned that it's made his life less happy?

yeah...can't wait to hear that one....should be hilarious.

Don't need to prove actual damages if libel "per se" is established (which includes falsely calling someone a criminal). The fact-finder can award what it wants in damages in such circumstances.

[jocal505]

not this shit again....still find it utterly ridiculous that anyone, least of all a court of law, is taking this foolishness seriously. so the fat fuck (that's provable, right? anyone would have to agree) is still complaining that a comment, that may or may not have been said, that he himself brought to attention, gave him a sore assneck. what a tool (i can say that since it is commonly a screwdriver, hammer or somesuch).
he should buy himself a clue...people think he is a fool because of his own actions, not some alleged backroom offhand comment or a pic of his fat ass combined with an archaic term half (or more) people here couldn't have defined if he'd have bought them a pretty watch.

where in the world is nes pas san diego? he, surely, is the life of the party.

Unfortunately, Mr Nes Pas has become yet another victum of the BHO economic policies. His employment is off until such time as DSM unleashes him to serve the notices. In the meantime, Mr. Nes Pas lives in a tent outside SDYC behind the tennis courts. He now uses food stamps to buy rice. He just patiently hangs out around his tent, humming softly, grunting occasionally, chatting with the Mexican gardners, sharpening his knife and collecting more camo bushes to put in his helmet.

sounds like "trickle down" isn't kind to our nes pas.

Indeed, it sounds like Nes Paz is one of the "occupy wall street types." Douche Rag better watch his step.

[elle]

:-D

[Sol Rosenberg]

Is he still alive?

[jocal505]

Is he still alive?

Do you mean is DoRag alive? Sightings yesterday.
Do you mean is Nes Pas alive? I suppose he is as resilient as DR.
Do you mean is DM still alove? Evidently.

[DoRag]

DM is not "alove." Trust me on that one.

[elle]

lolz!

[trenace]

Do you mean is DM still alove? Evidently.

DM is not "alove." Trust me on that one.

What do you mean? He aloves his fried chicken, mashed potatoes with gravy, Twinkies, Ring-Dings, Ding-Dongs, Devil Dogs, Ho-Hos, Hostess Cupcakes, quiche, cheesecake, and champagne.

And his little poodle, Fluffy.

[jocal505]

DM is not "alove." Trust me on that one.

[casc27]

DM is not "alove." Trust me on that one.

And then there is always this:

"It's a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word." --Andrew Jackson

(Fittingly, there is an alternate version of this quote along the lines of "...can only think of one way to spell a word.")

[jocal505]

gary busey misspelled.

Ah, yes.

or maybe more like carl spackler....

Interesting that you mention him. You must know that Bill Murray is under consideration for the lead role in the new movie "The Life and Times of Arturo Nes Pas - Process Server to the Stars".

Well I heard that screenplay was re-written several times Choose one.





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[jocal505]

[DoRag]

You can have your way now with Arturo Nes Pas, but be advised that he is watching.

Be advised that he has been invited to attend a meeting at a certain law office.

Be advised that the lights have been on late at night at said law office. And they weren't decorating for Christmas!

Be advised that someone stole the bushes in my garden that I have been growing to use as camo when I go elk hunting and beaver trapping.

Time nears for the court date. One can expect that the activity will pick up. That the Does will be added.

So have your fun now with Arturo. Again, a warning. If he asks you to sign certain papers, just say yessir, sign them and be sure to give back his pen.

[isma]

You can have your way now with Arturo Nes Pas, but be advised that he is watching.

Be advised that he has been invited to attend a meeting at a certain law office.

Be advised that the lights have been on late at night at said law office. And they weren't decorating for Christmas!

Be advised that someone stole the bushes in my garden that I have been growing to use as camo when I go elk hunting and beaver trapping.

Time nears for the court date. One can expect that the activity will pick up. That the Does will be added.

So have your fun now with Arturo. Again, a warning. If he asks you to sign certain papers, just say yessir, sign them and be sure to give back his pen.

Fuck you...nice to see you're back in form.

[jocal505]

You can have your way now with Arturo Nes Pas, but be advised that he is watching.

Be advised that he has been invited to attend a meeting at a certain law office.

Be advised that the lights have been on late at night at said law office. And they weren't decorating for Christmas!

Be advised that someone stole the bushes in my garden that I have been growing to use as camo when I go elk hunting and beaver trapping.

Time nears for the court date. One can expect that the activity will pick up. That the Does will be added.

So have your fun now with Arturo. Again, a warning. If he asks you to sign certain papers, just say yessir, sign them and be sure to give back his pen.

Fuck you...nice to see you're back in form.

[jocal505]

You can have your way now with Arturo Nes Pas, but be advised that he is watching.

Be advised that he has been invited to attend a meeting at a certain law office.


Time nears for the court date. One can expect that the activity will pick up.
That the Does will be added.

[isma]

Unconfirmed rumor, but I heard that DoRag and NePas like to suck each other's cocks at a rest stop off 405. Just a rumor of course, but I've normally learned that there is some element of truth in each rumor.

[prozak]

Which one of them says "suck it REMF" first ?

[jocal505]

You can have your way now with Arturo Nes Pas, but be advised that he is watching.
(snip) . If he asks you to sign certain papers, just say yessir, sign them and be sure to give back his pen.

Yeah give Faux Pas pack his pen DR cuz the real Nes Pas in a pencil abuser.
You've been had from Poland.

[NorCalLaser]

has SA or will SA ever conduct that far-reaching broad discovery that Mr C promised awhile back, that could uncover Myers' grifting ways?

[jocal505]

Which one of them says "suck it REMF" first ?

This one?

[Winever]

This just in....

http://mediadecoder....t-a-journalist/


Cheers, Winever.

[jocal505]

This just in....

http://mediadecoder....t-a-journalist/


Cheers, Winever.

In $2.5 Million Judgment, Court Finds Blogger Is Not a Journalist
By DAVID CARRAcademics and Web thinkers have spent a lot of time jawboning about whether a blogger fits the definition of a journalist. It's an endless discussion, but this week in Oregon, the debate turned costly for one blogger.

Crystal Cox, a Montanan who calls herself an investigative blogger and produces several blogs about the law, was sued in January by the investment firm Obsidian Finance Group over several opinionated blog posts that were highly critical of Obsidian and its co-founder Kevin Padrick. The firm sought $10 million in damages. Although the judge threw out several of the firm's claims, he ruled against her on a single post and ordered her to pay $2.5 million in damages.

According to The Seattle Weekly, Ms. Cox, representing herself in court, argued that her post, in which she called Mr. Padrick a "thug" and a "liar," was based on an inside source. She cited Oregon's shield law, which allows journalists to protect sources, and refused to reveal her source.

According to The Associated Press, "U.S. District Judge Marco A. Hernandez found last week that as a blogger, Cox was not a journalist and cannot claim the protections afforded to mainstream reporters and news outlets."

In his decision, which might send a chill up the back of many nontraditional journalists, the judge wrote:

Although the defendant is a self-proclaimed "investigative blogger" and defines herself as "media," the record fails to show that she is affiliated with any newspaper, magazine, periodical, book, pamphlet, news service, wire service, news or feature syndicate, broadcast station or network, or cable television system. Thus, she is not entitled to the protections of the law

Ms. Cox suggested in The Seattle Weekly, "This should matter to everyone who writes on the Internet."

Bruce Sanford, a longtime First Amendment lawyer at the Baker Hostetler law firm in Washington, said the case highlighted the fact that many shield laws were conceived before anyone began blogging.

"Media law fashioned for the traditional press of the 1960s needs a considerable amount of renovation to apply to 21st-century digital communications. The whole house isn't a tear-down, but it's more than a paint job — rewiring at a minimum," he said. "Those state shield laws obviously need some updating."

Speaking to The Oregonian, Mr. Padrick said Ms. Cox had "no journalistic standards."

Padrick said Obsidian Finance's advisory business is off 80 to 90 percent this year, forcing it to cut jobs. He attributed the drop in business to the barrage of accusations from Cox.

"The damage to me is forever," Padrick said. "The Internet is not capable of being undone. Google 'Kevin Padrick' and you'll see the first 10 pages are from Crystal Cox."

Lucy Dalglish, executive director of Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, told The A.P. that while the law needed updating, the shield hardly offered a license to write what you wanted.

"My advice to bloggers operating in the state of Oregon is lobby to get your shield law improved so bloggers are covered," she said. "But do not expect the shield law to provide you a defense in a libel case where you want to rely on an anonymous source for that information."

Crystal Cox

[trenace]

$2.5 million?

Ouchie-ouch.

If you want to be with the times, it looks like "thugs" is the new "grifter."

[smackdaddy]

Ms. Cox, representing herself in court, argued that....

That worked out well. It's almost as bad as an attorney trying to be a GC:

Bruce Sanford, a longtime First Amendment lawyer at the Baker Hostetler law firm in Washington, said..."The whole house isn't a tear-down, but it's more than a paint job — rewiring at a minimum,"

Whaaaa?

[prozak]

snip.

Although the defendant is a self-proclaimed "investigative blogger" and defines herself as "media," the record fails to show that she is affiliated with any newspaper, magazine, periodical, book, pamphlet, news service, wire service, news or feature syndicate, broadcast station or network, or cable television system. Thus, she is not entitled to the protections of the law

Wow. Ms Cox got done.


That judge needs to get up with the times. What if she just called herself.... Ms Cox News Service... who is to say she isnt?

[trenace]

The judge, if he finds that no outside entity, with any wide recognition as being in the news business, had demonstrated in any way that they in practice recognized her as a news service.

Self-affirming a status, with absolutely no evidence of outside recognition, often is taken as being of little to no meaning. It seems the judge took that position.

[prozak]

The point may have been that no outside entity, with any wide recognition as being in the news business, had demonstrated in any way that they in practice recognized her as a journalist. That being so, then why should the court?

If that was the point, then just calling herself a news service, likewise without any affiliation with an other-than-herself news entity, would likely also have been insufficient.

Basically, what would the difference be between just calling oneself a journalist vs doing that and also just calling oneself a news service? Either way, being self-affirmed only in anything is often taken as being of little or no meaning, and it seems the judge saw it that way also.

So how does a self-affirmed paper / news service / news website start?


You have to start somewhere. I'm sure there must be loads of stories where a now famous paper or news organisation started off as a one man band.



anyway. we digress too much. back to fat arse grifters...

[prozak]

The judge, if he finds that no outside entity, with any wide recognition as being in the news business, had demonstrated in any way that they in practice recognized her as a news service.

Self-affirming a status, with absolutely no evidence of outside recognition, often is taken as being of little to no meaning. It seems the judge took that position.

Do you keep editing your post?


Not that I care.... I am only asking as I am using IE10 on Windows8 and am just not sure how buggy it is... it seemed the second line above was added as an edit?

[trenace]

You start by putting out what perhaps at the moment only you yourself call news, but with it being it out there, one or more in the news business may recognize it as being news. And then they may do things such as make agreements with you to publish it themselves.

Then you're no longer just self-affirmed.

Yes, I have a bad tendency to edit posts. Your quoting what I wrote before is absolutely no problem of course. I just saw that I could have been much briefer.

The bugs aren't in your browser, but in my writing.

[prozak]

You start by putting out what perhaps at the moment only you yourself call news, but with it being it out there, one or more in the news business may recognize it as being news. And then they may do things such as make agreements with you to publish it themselves.

Then you're no longer just self-affirmed.

Yes, I have a bad tendency to edit posts. Your quoting what I wrote before is absolutely no problem of course. I just saw that I could have been much briefer.

The bugs aren't in your browser, but in my writing.

cheers.... just wasn't sure if your post was displaying correctly..

[trenace]

anyway. we digress too much. back to fat arse grifters...

And Coast Guard "thugs."

Oh wait, that's a different thread, though we've learned in this one that "thug" can be half the material for a $2.5 million judgment.

[BIAM]

I think we can all agree, Clean is a journalist....

[smackdaddy]

I think we can all agree, Clean is a journalist....

You are recognized as a journalist, and afforded its legal protections, when you have the pink flag. Everyone knows that...even the judge.

Yelling "Investigative Blogger" or "International Media" does not meet the threshold.

[Mambo Kings]

I think we can all agree, Clean is a journalist....

But is the Ed an editor?
There is no evidence that he is, but even less that he is not.

[Tom Ray]

Self-affirming a status, with absolutely no evidence of outside recognition, often is taken as being of little to no meaning.

Speaking of which, I wonder how Reid Stowe will be received in Guyana?

Can you say something libelous on the internet and refuse to reveal your source?

Can you do it on the street?

[Surf City Racing]

You are recognized as a journalist, and afforded its legal protections, when you have the pink flag. Everyone knows that...even the judge.

Yelling "Investigative Blogger" or "International Media" does not meet the threshold.

Really though, where is the line drawn between blogger and journalist?

[Dawg Gonit]

You are recognized as a journalist, and afforded its legal protections, when you have the pink flag. Everyone knows that...even the judge.

Yelling "Investigative Blogger" or "International Media" does not meet the threshold.

Really though, where is the line drawn between blogger and journalist?

Bloggers are like opinion/pseudo TV news shows. Everyone knows, that shows like Orielly and Lawrence(what's his name) are opinion shows and not news shows, well at least the should know. If they don't ,then they are drinking too much kool-aid.

Where is the line drawn in Sailing news and blogging??????????????????????????????wwwweeeellllllll that may be a gray line.

As most of the high trafficked sailing sites regurgitate the articles sent to them, like news outlets (SA is no different) ................I would say that SA,SB and PD are "Sailing News Outlets" sprinkled with Opinions that are not well labeled as "Editorials". SA used to have Editorials that were labeled and known as opinions of the Editorial Staff. BIG mistake to remove that header. IMHO

The line between News and Blogger/Opinion is very blurred.

Welcome to the "I can say anything I want..............Generation" (ICaSAIWG)................mostly liberal douche bags that want others to pay their way...........

ICaSAIWG(generation) pronounced: (i..ca..sa...wig) generation that is too funny.....did I just coin a new..............................whatever????

[DA-WOODY]

let's try to explain the matter so we can all better understand

here is a video of one of the depositions

http://www.bing.com/...sation/20o3ylrw

[trenace]

Using Google Translate:

"You're a grifter!"

"Well, you're a thug!"

"You stole millions!"

"You wear jackboots!"

"You're a white-collar criminal!"

"No, you're a white-collar criminal!"

"You're egregious!"

"You're a fat fuck!"

Etc.

[Maxx Baqustae]

[corkob]

http://articles.bost...rs-big-investor

Anybody know how this case brought against Dan Meyers has panned out. It's outcome may be of assistance to Block & Co.

[trenace]

The outcome of the case seems not to have made it to the Web. Perhaps someone with a LexisNexis subscription can turn up the information.

[hermetic]

How does a dispute over a privately held stock option impact as to whether DM operates a dishonest gambling device at a carnival?

[trenace]

It would have nothing to do with that literal question, but arguably could be provided as evidence that Meyers in fact (if found to have done so) defrauded somebody, thus supporting a truth argument to the grifter claim. By "supporting," I don't mean "proving."

While I was unfamiliar with the term "grifter" prior to the noble work of Clean and Tempesta, apparently the meaning is not limited to any specific carnival operation, but can in general mean "swindler" or person who obtains money by fraud.

Whether any possible ruling in this matter would be any help with "white collar criminal," I would doubt, as there is no possibility of Meyers having been convicted of a crime in this case.

[jocal505]

http://articles.bost...rs-big-investor

Anybody know how this case brought against Dan Meyers has panned out. It's outcome may be of assistance to Block & Co.

Have Googled for months. A subscription to the Boston Globe Online will reveal their articles on it, and their is indication of at least one..
I didn't spring for a subscription.

Depositions are behind, which legally demonstrated the frame of mind of the defendents at the time the statements were made.

[DoRag]

Exactly who is this "Dan Myers" that led to so many posts?

[trenace]

Perhaps, unfortunately, the new owner of SA.

Our intrepid journalists have vowed that this "particularly odious lout" and "fat fuck" who has a claim with "no merit" will be shown by them to be a douchebag for as long as said journalists are fighting for their existence. That'll fix him! ( http://www.sailingan...le.php?get=6312 )

However, further exposés of douchebaggery have been lacking lately for some reason.

[isma]

Exactly who is this "Dan Myers" that led to so many posts?

Look up, he's the person attached to the dick you're sucking.

[Ship o' Fools]

http://articles.boston.com/2011-05-03/yourtown/29499969_1_first-marblehead-earliest-investors-big-investor

Anybody know how this case brought against Dan Meyers has panned out. It's outcome may be of assistance to Block & Co.

I checked the Register of Actions and it shows that SA, et. al. filed an appeal in October 2011 - likely an appeal of the judges ruling against SA on the SLAPP motion. And the wheels of justice grind on.

[corkob]

The case I'm referring to is not the case against SA by Meyers, it's a case where he is being sued by the family of a former associate.

['moondance44]

this has noting to do with anything, but was fun

EDITOR'S GOT MAIL

Here is a story that, if it wasn't true, would be hard to believe. As you know, here at Sailing Anarchy, we tend to take a different approach to talking about the sport of sailboat racing. I guess that's a nice way of saying that we're not afraid to open our mouths and voice our opinions on certain matters. When we find things that we like, we say it and when we find things that we don't, we say that too. Some of you agree, some of you don't and quite frankly, that's the way it's supposed to be.

One of the reasons we started this site is our general dissatisfaction with the way the sport is covered by the media. A lot of fluff, and nary a criticism to be found anywhere. Seahorse magazine being about the one lone exception. One of the things we find laughable are some of the boat reviews. Every boat is great and nobody ever has a complaint. Ludicrous, we say. It was a few months ago that we came across a review by the great Peter Isler in Sailing World where he sang the praises of a little-known boat called the Bravura 29 and termed it a "great value" at well over $100,000. As is our right, hell, our obligation, we felt compelled to comment on both the boat and Isler's review. Many of you have already seen this, but here is the commentary that we wrote:

Again, keeping in mind that we are Sailing Anarchy, this commentary is quite in keeping with our penchant for the occasional bash. So a couple days ago we get an e-mail from an obviously agitated Leif Beiley, the designer of the Bravura 29. He was pissed that we had called the boat a pig and threatened legal recourse. Of course the notion of suing for opinion on a public matter is ridiculous, and we told him as much. We also offered a reasonable solution to his obvious displeasure. Here is his original e-mail, and our response. (By the way, the e-mails- there's plenty of 'em are in the order recieved and no content from either on has been edited. The editors comments between emails is Italicized.)

Bravura 29 (from rumors and lies)

So, we're looking around at the results at the recent North Sails Race Week in Long Beach, CA, and we notice that the new Leif Beiley designed Bravura 29 finished next to last in its PHRF Class. Now, we weren't there so we don't know what exactly happened, but the finishes were not good, and early reports are that the thing isn't very fast anyway. It's also a bit odd looking and seems to lack sail area and in this day of sprits and huge asso's, the sail plan seems pretty dated. Oh well, it's not exactly a Farr-type pedigree. Oh yeah, that and it's pretty pricey - something well over $100,000!
But then we remembered that the great Peter Isler had reviewed this boat for Sailing World. Surely his knowledge of boats and Yale education would give us insight into this boat, right? Not exactly. Not only was his review politically correct drivel, it included this gem: when talking about the boat and price he referred to this 29', over $100,000 less than speedy speedster as "a great value." A great value? Not a "good" value, or a "fair" value, either of which would be inaccurate and flatly untrue. No Isler called it a "great value".
Now the question is, for whom does Isler summate that this pig would be a great value? If it is such a "great value" we must assume that Isler has one on order, because surely he wouldn't want to pass up on a "great value", would he? Is there one person, besides the designer, who would possibly call this boat a "great value"? Obviously Isler feels no responsibility to provide an honest evaluation for readers. Now, granted no need to hammer the boat unmercifully, but jesus, how about stepping up and telling it like it is? When Car & Driver reviews a car, you get an honest, albeit subjective review. And we know that all reviews are subjective. But I doubt you'll see them call, say a $100,000 Panoz Esperante a "great value". Perhaps a little dough changed hands during the Bravura 29 review? Now then we would understand what Isler means by "great value"!
B-1:
You clearly don't know what your talking about in your article on the Bravura 29. You failed to identify who wrote that piece so I assume you have very good reasons for not wanting to be identified. I resent you referring to my boat as a pig. Most likely YOU are a pig. If you had done your job as a journalist and learned something about the Bravura 29 you would certainly not have published an article that was so blatantly ignorant. I will have my attorney investigate whether we have any legal recourse against the irresponsible article you published.
Leif Beiley
Bravura Yachts, Inc.

Hey, that's a nice response. One approach you might have considered would have been to say that you disagreed with a couple of points and offered a counterpoint. And had you offered it with anything less than the vitriol you just wrote with, I gladly would have printed it. However, you didn't choose that option, did you? Contact your attorney? Now that's funny.
(Now, here is where this story really heats up. By the way, we stand by all of the original article, even the dig at Isler. I think the boat is odd looking, I don't think it is very fast and I think it is too expensive. Whatever, that's my opinion. I'll grant you that calling the boat a pig in the article might be a bit harsh, but we're Sailing Anarchy remember? We say what we feel.
But even we have a conscious and I felt like I should give the guy a chance which is why I gave him the chance to open a dialogue. He didn't think that was such a neat idea)
B2:
I disagreed with ALL of it. You don't know anything about the boat. You don't have the guts to identify yourself and yes I've already contacted my attorney regarding it. It's possible that we can't do anything about your untrue and irresponsible journalism but I am certainly going to find out and if there is, we will.
Leif Beiley
Bravura Yachts
(Now at this point he still seems to have a grip on his facilities, and we can sort of understand his level of unhappiness. Sort of. We've not got much patience for this sort of whining.)

You disagreed with ALL of it? Gee, that's just too fucking bad, mate. In this country we have the right to voice our opinions. You don't like it? Some figure out a way to successfully communicate at least a partial resolution, and I've already told you how to do that. Yet others like you go running to their attorney. Sort of like the little boy who runs to their mommy when they hear a bad word. I gave you a chance to not be a complete douchebag. Looks like you opted for the douche. Want to sue me Beiley? Bring it on. It'll make a great story.
Scot Tempesta
www.sailinganarchy.com
B3:
I make my living building and selling boats. When you print irresponsible articles denigrating my boats and implying that I bribed Peter Isler you are hurting my business and my reputation. When you do it without any firsthand knowledge of the boat, what it was designed for or what it's target market is, that is plain irresponsible. Sure you have a right to your opinion but when you publish articles like that you've gone over line because people don't stop to think that it's nothing more than your opinion which is not even based on any factual knowledge. The article was referred to me by a prospective buyer who asked me to explain it. I was stunned and shocked to read that someone would print such a thing as if it were fact, and I had to tell the guy that I didn't know who had done it and couldn't explain why it was done. Now, I don't know if he will eventually buy a boat from me but your article definitely had a negative impact on him. Why you chose to dump on a boat that you don't even know is beyond me but I'd like you to retract that article and apologize for printing it. And if my suing you over it would make a great story then maybe you've got yourself some publicity. I have referred the matter to my attorney. As I said before I don't know yet if we can do anything about you printing that article, but if you don't correct this situation I will take legal action because you have already had a negative impact on my business. If you're half a man you'll publish this letter.
Leif Beiley
(Now, clearly we've had enough of his whining: )

Hey Beiley - Here's a little something for you to ponder. When a movie gets a bad review, does the producer sue the critic? When an automotive publication gives a car a less-than stellar review, does the manufacturer sue the writer? No, they don't. Rather, they accept that not everybody agrees with their point of view. Do you think they threaten to sue for lost business?
In fact, it is unlikely that they attack the critic at all. Isn't it more likely that they approach the critic from the perspective of trying to affect better communication?
Would you say that a Product Manager from Ford, upon hearing of a less-than favorable review of their latest "SUV" in Car and Driver would send the e-mails like you sent me, to say, Brock Yates? Pretty fucking unlikely. I would guess they would say something like "Hey, we heard you don't like the car, tell me what you don't like and maybe I can tell you why we did the things we did." And then a dialogue gets started. The threat of a lawsuit will get you nothing.
Perhaps you should have thought of that. The fact that I even have to tell you this is fairly indicative of your PR acumen. And don't give me any horseshit about people not knowing if it's opinion. It is under a section entitled "Rumors and Lies". Christ, even you should be able to figure that out.
I appreciate the fact that you design and build boats for a living. However it doesn't block me from voicing my opinion about them. This isn't China.
The simple fact is that what I say is my belief. It's called Free Speech. Try to challenge that and you'll simply look like a bigger idiot than you've already presented yourself to be.
There will be no retraction.
PS - You know, I was about to remove a couple of the older pieces like that one, but since you've continued to whine about your attorney and some toothless and laughable First Amendment challenge, instead of being smart enough to say, invite me up for a sail on the 29 to show me your perspective, I believe I'll leave it up for a bit longer. Thanks for asking, though.
(Here is where it gets really good. )
B4:
Hey Shithead; Here's something for YOU to ponder. If you were a real journalist and wanted to write about our boat you would have contacted us. I would have been glad to give you a boat to sail and evaluate. Then if you wanted to criticize it you would at least have the benefit of knowing what you're talking about. Your article proves that you don't. And unlike you, real journalists get the facts before they publish a story. To use your analogy, car companies don't have to threaten lawsuits because the journalists who write about their cars are bound by the standards of journalistic integrity set up by the publications they write for. Therefore their criticisms are legitimate, and not just a bunch of made up lies. For you to compare your drivel with Brock Yates? You must be joking. He's a professional with class and integrity, qualities you clearly lack. You on the other hand are a loser who apparently couldn't make it as a sailmaker or any other constructive endeavor so you've turned to something more compatible with your lack of character: Lies and bullshit. Keep it up Shithead, you're making enemies of the people and companies in the industry you want to be part of . What an asshole.
Now keep in mind, it was never purported that my original comment on my boat was anything even approaching a 'review'. If I wanted to do that, well obviously I would have to go sail it and all that. It was a general observation, from my perspective.

Shithead? Loser? Asshole? Have you used up all your big words now, Beiley? I gave you your chance, but you are apparently too dim to have seen it. Too late now. You don't know shit about me, and don't act like you do. You on the other hand, have certainly shown me all I need to know about you. Nice work. Look for the story on my site next week. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Be sure to call your attorney and tell him that you heard a bad word.
B5:
Tempesta: Go ahead and publish some more lies. That's what you seem to be best at. You're utterly irrelevant anyway. You worthless shithead.

I was wondering how to end the story. Thank you so much for the perfect finishing touch. And it's so in keeping with your previous eloquence. Again, thank you. Now, go fill all those orders for the Bravura 29.
(It is here that I'm hoping that this clown will just go away. But, no such luck! )
B6:
Tempesta:
You are a pathetic sack of shit. Nobody cares what you write because you lack the one essential ingredient that every writer and journalist must have: integrity.
You're irrelevant. You're a fart in the windstorm of life. Your parents never even thought you were worth teaching not to lie, or if they did, you were too stupid to grasp the meaning of that lesson. Go ahead shitbag, write whatever you want. No one cares because we all already know you are a LIAR. It's like what John Lennon said "One thing you can't hide is that you're crippled inside"
Hey I know that in your stupid, pathetic, insipid way you were trying to get me to invite up to sail on one of my boats, but, you dick, you went about it ass backwards, you should have apologized for your lies and asked to come and sail a boat. Now you've blown it and everyone knows you are a lying sack of shit. If and when you ever grow up you'll learn the value of integrity. Until then you'll be the low life pile of shit that you've shown yourself to be.
Jesus! Who peed in this guy's Wheaties? Oh yeah, we did.

What part of 'go away' don't you understand?
B7:
My attorney has suggested something better than simply filing a lawsuit against you, you worthless liar. Check the attached file and you'll see what I've got planned for you. I am about to become your worst nightmare.
Here is the attachment that he included:
You Fraud:
Go away? Not a chance of it, you fraud. You don't get it, do you? You publicly insulted me, wrote a pack of lies about my boat, cast aspersions on my character and that of a colleague and friend. And it was all a fabrication of your sick little mind. You owe me an apology. And you owe it to me and to Peter Isler to correct the lies you told. Go away? Not until you apologize and correct the bullshit story you wrote.
The way to stop scum like you is to expose your fraud. Until you repair the damage you've done. I am going to make sure that my friends, colleagues and business associates know exactly what you've done. I will make sure the editors of Sail, Sailing World, Yachting, Seahorse, Latitude 38, Santana, 48 North, Southwinds and every other publication I do business with know about the moral bankruptcy of Scott Tempesta.
Until you repair the damage you've done I will make sure that my friends, colleagues and business associates at Harken, Lewmar, West Marine, Forespar, Edson, Ballenger, Seatec, Southern Spars, North Sails, Ullman, UK, Quantum, Banks, Elliott-Pattison, Andrews Yacht Design, Farr International, Bob Perry, Bruce Nelson, Joe Neal, Tom Wiley, Carl Schumacher, Morelli and Melvin, CompsitesOne, Revchem, Gougeon Brothers and all the shipyards I do business with are aware of the fraudulent bullshit put out by Scott Tempesta.
Until you repair the damage you've done I will make sure my fellow boat builders, including Barry Carroll, Lynn Bowser, Frank Butler, Jerry Douglas, Roger MacGregor, Marshall Duffield, Hank Morchlatt, Dennis Choate, Randy Reynolds, Paul Bieker, and John Conser know about what a LIAR Scott Tempesta is.
Until you repair the damage you've done, you pathetic bullshit artist, I'll make sure that all the people I sail with, my friends, clients and fellow boat owners know that Scott Tempesta is a prevaricator and fabricator of BULLSHIT.
You've created a mess for yourself, you liar, and the only way you can fix it is to repair the damage you've done. Go away? I'll go away after I've exposed you for the fraud you are.

You appear to be someone who is less than stable. Because of your implied threats, I've forwarded this to my attorney. You're making yourself look really bad. Really, it's an embarrassment to yourself. I don't believe you'll be attracting many new customers when they read your rantings on my site. Congratulations.
(Now, clearly this is all completely ridiculous, but if you can stand the tedium, here's more.)
B8:
You're running to your attorney. You ARE a joke. What's his name? You're not much on telling the truth so I'd like to verify that you have referred anything to your attorney.
I'll cc the letters I'm preparing to both you and your attorney, if you actually have one.

I'm not running anywhere, Beiley. The language and tone of your correspondence bears watching. You'll learn about my attorney if I deem it so. Now, for the salvation of what might be left of your self-respect, do yourself a huge favor and go away. Jesus, dude, you're going to look really bad here. I'd quit now if I were you.
B9:
Hey Tempesta, You Liar. The worst nightmare of a fraud and a liar is to be exposed for what they are. Here are the first three steps I am taking to make sure that everyone knows YOU for what you are.
Step one: Since you're not one to check facts, you're probably not aware that I also have a website and guess what liar is going to be very prominently featured in it next week. That's right, one Fraud Tempesta along with that pathetic piece of fiction you wrote and the true facts pertaining to you're bullshit article.
Step two: I am sending letters to the editors of the various publications I mentioned in my previous email to you, along with that piece fiction you wrote, informing them of the fraudulence of Scott Tempesta, and to be aware of your lack of character.
Step three: I am sending letters to all of the business associates, friends and colleagues I mentioned along with that fabrication you wrote to inform them that there is one Scott Tempesta who is a Liar and to beware.
Since you're not much on facts, I'm going to let you in on one more. Our industry is pretty tightly knit yet informal, and one of the most important aspects of our business is the personal integrity of the people in it. You have soiled yourself and everyone I know in this business is going to know about it. The only way for you to salvage yourself is to repair the damage you've done.

Who cares? You no doubt will spin it with your own bias. I, on the other hand will print ALL your and my correspondence UNEDITED. I wouldn't count on many people waiting to buy boats from you after they read what you wrote. You don't just look silly, you appear to be insane. Again,
congratulations.
B10:
I DARE you to print all of the "dialogue" between us. I was hoping you'd do exactly that. Can't wait to see it. I'm going to do the same thing.

Consider it done.

[corkob]

Holey moley, that's one pissed off dude! I'd invest in a Kevlar vest if l were you.

[DoRag]

Holey moley, that's one pissed off dude! I'd invest in a Kevlar vest if l were you.

Perhaps his panties were all bunched up??????

[LTR]

To think I got into sailing to relax............

[F-18 5150]

Is it true a out of court settlement has been reached?

[Bob Perry]

Now I want some bacon. But not that much.

[SemiSalt]

This is not the first time the name of Leif Beiley has been involved in an SA controversy which might have contributed to his initial testiness.

Are we arguing about the Sportster 29 or the Speedster 29? I presume the latter. No pricing on the website.

[corkob]

Is it true a out of court settlement has been reached?

Settled on what basis. Where did you hear that?

[sailman]

Now I want some bacon. But not that much.

Did someone say bacon?
Before:




After:

[SailRacer]

Finally

Go Team! Sail Safe!

[On the Hard]

The Funny thing is, other than the first amendment part, Beiley was pretty much right about Scott.

[jocal505]

No new filings are listed on the computer indexed docket thingee, if that means anything.

[DoRag]

The Funny thing is, other than the first amendment part, Beiley was pretty much right about Scott.

Ouch!

[trenace]

If (if) this is settled, then the only question is how long until a repeat.

[DoRag]

As pointed out above, if settled they must have deceided to not inform the court about it.....

[F-18 5150]

Is it true a out of court settlement has been reached?

Sorry my sarcasm font was turned off. I just had to do something with a good plate full of bacon.

[GRUMPY]

This is not the first time the name of Leif Beiley has been involved in an SA controversy which might have contributed to his initial testiness.

Are we arguing about the Sportster 29 or the Speedster 29? I presume the latter. No pricing on the website.

Poor old Leif. Did you see the other SA/ST controvery "he's" involved in?

I'm pretty sure it's not really Leif though

[isma]

As pointed out above, if settled they must have deceided to not inform the court about it.....

Seriously, how long (and you know this from experience) can one have their tongue up Dan Meyers fat ass before it goes numb?