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[kelly]

Did the owner used to own the purple menace?

Yes, and with all respect to the owner who is hell of a nice guy, invest some money in getting some good guys onboard to help you learn how to sail the boat for a year... yes coaching!! Most weekend golfers and tennis players get a bit every now and then..... Couldn't hurt could it.

Coaching is always useful, wish they could sort out my slice and duck hook. The Orbit crew did probably their first race at Balmain a few weeks ago. They are much quicker than an FT10, although we crossed the finish line together, and will worry all sorts of boats around the harbour when they get their shite sorted... don't give them a hard time they are a great bunch of guys, keen to have a go and will kick arse, I would love to have a sail on it.

[GybeSet®]

how is it that in the Birthing Room of all things sportsboat oriented, something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.
Aren't those things supposed to be P's.O.S., made by slanty eyed chinks, and not worthy or capable of holding together long enough to cross the starting line, much less a real race?

quite simply incorrect, the T8 is unbeaten and will remain so*

you might not be reading the results, or be reading the Handicap results

Results in 3 or 4 weekends the only FT FT (ft fastest time) was the one the Thompson 8 was absent
Most line honours have gone to the T8, also Jet and Tasty in the s30 Cup

*until

• So What comes out firing 6-up fullycrewed complete w/ sportboat/skiff tragics on board
• a Melges32 turns up

even then no sure thing, the T-8 has prevailed in those two situations more than a few times !

[akasideshow]

enjoy!

it helps the drama if you turn the volume up

Saw So What sneak in view up near the top mark!

How have they been going?

Still beating up on the T8's?

So What was DNC last race but the first one we had a constant battle with them on tigger we would have been within 30s of each other for most of the race with the lead changing a few times,
as expected we were a tiny bit quicker upwind at times and they were a little quicker or even downwind at times.
great little boat by the looks, they had a couple of semi-planing runs at surprisingly deep angles to catch us back up,
must be a pretty light boat i guess. The coachhouse fooled me into thinking it must have a galley etc on board.
Anyone know the hull/bulb weight? (I'm looking at you GS)

[frayedsheet]

enjoy!

it helps the drama if you turn the volume up

Saw So What sneak in view up near the top mark!

How have they been going?

Still beating up on the T8's?

So What was DNC last race but the first one we had a constant battle with them on tigger we would have been within 30s of each other for most of the race with the lead changing a few times,
as expected we were a tiny bit quicker upwind at times and they were a little quicker or even downwind at times.
great little boat by the looks, they had a couple of semi-planing runs at surprisingly deep angles to catch us back up,
must be a pretty light boat i guess. The coachhouse fooled me into thinking it must have a galley etc on board.
Anyone know the hull/bulb weight? (I'm looking at you GS)

Zippier is 810kg SMS/AMS weight, bulb is 450kg.

Pretty sure I remember Bob telling me that Stealthy is 666kg. So What was the original stealth and bulb is a hell of a lot smaller than a T8. Im guessing So What is well under 700kg. Bulb would be sub 300kg.

[dolphinmaster]

how is it that in the Birthing Room of all things sportsboat oriented, something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.
Aren't those things supposed to be P's.O.S., made by slanty eyed chinks, and not worthy or capable of holding together long enough to cross the starting line, much less a real race?

quite simply incorrect, the T8 is unbeaten and will remain so*

you might not be reading the results, or be reading the Handicap results

Results in 3 or 4 weekends the only FT FT (ft fastest time) was the one the Thompson 8 was absent
Most line honours have gone to the T8, also Jet and Tasty in the s30 Cup

*until

• So What comes out firing 6-up fullycrewed complete w/ sportboat/skiff tragics on board
• a Melges32 turns up

even then no sure thing, the T-8 has prevailed in those two situations more than a few times !

In what universe do you expect the Tiger to be scratch over the line?

yes I am reading the Handicap results. I assume in the land of all things sportboat, you fellows have the handicap thing figured out. I was under the impression it is an awesome way to get a bunch of different boats all together and have fun.

But maybe I am misinformed, I suppose the Handicap system there is actually imported by some wanker seppos while no one was tending the office etc.

[Turkey Slapper]

Was 700kg from memory when weighed for sms. It does have a sink and spot for a stove, 5 bunks and a shitter onboard! Bloody great boat, we managed a 2nd in the sportboat nationals in Airlie in 04 on it, with quite a few over the line wins over the T8! Same cabin as Troppo.

Best sportbot without wings!

Good to see him finally getting it out there again!

[sailhack]

Does anyone have any pics of Hick-up the 7.5 Hick ???

[GybeSet®]

In what universe do you expect the Tiger to be scratch over the line?

only the imaginary one you mentioned where FT10s are being handing a can of whoop'em to Everybody; quote:

something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.

yes I am reading the Handicap results. I assume in the land of all things sportboat, you fellows have the handicap thing figured out. I was under the impression it is an awesome way to get a bunch of different boats all together and have fun.

But maybe I am misinformed, I suppose the Handicap system there is actually imported by some wanker seppos while no one was tending the office etc.

name your source or you are uninformed, does 'suppose' confirm that you are guessing?

In what sailing universe do you think Arbitary PH mixed fleet handicap to be 'figured out' , dream on

It's just arbitarily given to an entrant then after each weeks elapsed times is Performance normalised or averaged by a computer system

No doubt all sorts of seppos could be lurking anywhere at any given moment ( e.g. on a forum), but none are around and about the S30 fleet administration

[dolphinmaster]

In what universe do you expect the Tiger to be scratch over the line?

only the imaginary one you mentioned where FT10s are being handing a can of whoop'em to Everybody; quote:

something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.

yes I am reading the Handicap results. I assume in the land of all things sportboat, you fellows have the handicap thing figured out. I was under the impression it is an awesome way to get a bunch of different boats all together and have fun.

But maybe I am misinformed, I suppose the Handicap system there is actually imported by some wanker seppos while no one was tending the office etc.

name your source or you are uninformed, does 'suppose' confirm that you are guessing?

In what sailing universe do you think Arbitary PH mixed fleet handicap to be 'figured out' , dream on

It's just arbitarily given to an entrant then after each weeks elapsed times is Performance normalised or averaged by a computer system

No doubt all sorts of seppos could be lurking anywhere at any given moment ( e.g. on a forum), but none are around and about the S30 fleet administration

G.S., you're hilarious, in a sort of AKAGP sort of way,

Lurking Seppo

[sailhack]

Hi all

I have a Hick 7.62 (25') on Lake Mac. Just interested in other Hicks and their setups.

[Youngstar]

SASC / NORTH SAILS Super 30 Race 4. (Aka Long / "hard" series)
Just a few shots taken of what started out as a fairly dull/ quiet/ grey day; and which turned into a sparkler (albeit only 5-10 kts E/NE).
Congrats to Gondwana, Sophia and Tasty.
We had great fun in the light conditions tussling with the GP 26 Rapid Transit.
Unfortunately our brilliant tactical ploy (?) to break cover in order to lure them up to the EC mark despite the fact that the course was shortened didnt work !
Dumbstars owner has been sufficiently sedated and will undergo trauma counselling this week; while the crew are scheduled for urgent optometrist examinations.
A great day though. (and you Short / "soft" series blokes dont know what youre missing).

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[kelly]

SASC / NORTH SAILS Super 30 Race 4. (Aka Long / "hard" series)
Just a few shots taken of what started out as a fairly dull/ quiet/ grey day; and which turned into a sparkler (albeit only 5-10 kts E/NE).
Congrats to Gondwana, Sophia and Tasty.
We had great fun in the light conditions tussling with the GP 26 Rapid Transit.
Unfortunately our brilliant tactical ploy (?) to break cover in order to lure them up to the EC mark despite the fact that the course was shortened didnt work !
Dumbstars owner has been sufficiently sedated and will undergo trauma counselling this week; while the crew are scheduled for urgent optometrist examinations.
A great day though. (and you Short / "soft" series blokes dont know what youre missing).

Thanks to Phil and his crew on Sophia for the invite to play on Saturday. We had a great day out, once again it was Tiger weather but we did not have any other Tigers to play with, but had a great duel with Tasty, well what I mean is that from 75 Metres behind we had plenty of opportunity to pick the best way around the track, which eventually lead to a 10second win to Sophia when Phil stayed high on the last beat and Chris went low. Really enjoyed watching the duel between Youngstar and Rapid Transit, there was nothing in it for most of the race, very close contest , but when I went looking for Youngstar as RT approached the Finish Line it was clear they had Done a Bad..... Did not see the Short Course Flag hey Gary...
And congratulations to the crew on Gondwana, great job in conditions that would not necessarilly suit, would not go away on the first leg, I was sure that they had their engine on... super effort.

[Youngstar]

So What was the story with the Stealth ? I thought she would have revelled in those light conditions.

[taste machine]

Dear Sydney Super30s,



Balmain Sailing Club hosts one of the oldest regattas in Australia, the Balmain Regatta.

The event is on Sunday 30 October and Balmain Sailing club has invited the Super30 fleet to join the fun.

BSC are happy to establish a separate Super30 division if there are sufficient entrants.



The Balmain Regatta is always a cracking day of sailing….and entertainment back at Balmain Sailing Club.



It would be great to see a S30 fleet this year!



Cheers Chris



Balmain Regatta – Sunday Oct 30 2011

For the first time the 2011 Balmain Regatta will include a separate start for boats which comply with the requirements of Super 30. These boats will sail a course from Balmain Sailing Club to Shark Island and return leaving all intermediate Islands ie. Goat, Fort Denison and Clark to Starboard on both legs.

The Balmain Regatta Committee recognises the growing stature of the Super 30 class and is hoping to make this Super 30 race a regular feature of the Balmain Regatta.

The Notice of Race and Entry Form is now available on the Balmain Sailing Club web site at www.balmainsailingclub.com . We encourage you to get your crew together to join with a number of Super 30 boats that do not regularly compete in the growing Super 30 fleet. This is a great opportunity to encourage them.

The Balmain Regatta is as well known for its after sailing festivities as it is for its sailing. Of course you are encouraged to join in with a mix of locals and visitors to welcome in the new sailing season West of the harbour bridge.

We hope to see you at Balmain on Oct 30

Neil H

Chairman Balmain Regatta Race Committee

[LongTim]

Where can I get the rules/guidelines for the Super 30 class? Thanks in advance....

[richiec]

When will we get to see the SOTO30 on the start line?

[LongTim]

Hence the reason for the enquiry Just want to make sure we're welcome and need to know the parameters of the Class.

When will we get to see the SOTO30 on the start line?

[GybeSet®]

Where can I get the rules/guidelines for the Super 30 class? Thanks in advance....

'verbal guidelines' for the clubracing Tim, PM tastemachine for club

you'll only bust out of the arbitary box if over 33' kinda, getting toward ams based time correction

Geelong & Airlie have some criteria too but not too specific, they ARE ams based

[LongTim]

beaut. boats will be AMS measured for Geelong. Looking forward to getting in the mix. First boats coming out of the molds this weekend and the masts are already on the water on their way. Can't arrive soon enough!

[taste machine]

beaut. boats will be AMS measured for Geelong. Looking forward to getting in the mix. First boats coming out of the molds this weekend and the masts are already on the water on their way. Can't arrive soon enough!

LTim,

North Sails Aust are supporting the SASC Super30 fleet .....and so I've been chatting with Alby about the Soto30 and its imminent arrival in Australia.

From the specs I've seen the Soto30 will fit sweetly into the S30 fleet.

Please send me/publish the final specs re LOA and sail area and I can confirm.

When do you think first boats will be in Oz?

Cheers Chris

[LongTim]

Full brochure with latest specs here. December.... maybe one to Sydney, one to Melbourne. Still deciding where #1 is going atm. Seem to have interest all over the place.... when I know where the first one is going you'll all know about it! Alby is doing a wonderful job with developing the rig and sails with Southern Spars. The first two masts arrive in the country in two weeks.

http://www.longitudeyachts.com/SotoYachts/Soto_30_files/World%20e-brochure%20Soto%2030.pdf

beaut. boats will be AMS measured for Geelong. Looking forward to getting in the mix. First boats coming out of the molds this weekend and the masts are already on the water on their way. Can't arrive soon enough!

LTim,

North Sails Aust are supporting the SASC Super30 fleet .....and so I've been chatting with Alby about the Soto30 and its imminent arrival in Australia.

From the specs I've seen the Soto30 will fit sweetly into the S30 fleet.

Please send me/publish the final specs re LOA and sail area and I can confirm.

When do you think first boats will be in Oz?

Cheers Chris

[kelly]

how is it that in the Birthing Room of all things sportsboat oriented, something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.
Aren't those things supposed to be P's.O.S., made by slanty eyed chinks, and not worthy or capable of holding together long enough to cross the starting line, much less a real race?

quite simply incorrect, the T8 is unbeaten and will remain so*

you might not be reading the results, or be reading the Handicap results

Results in 3 or 4 weekends the only FT FT (ft fastest time) was the one the Thompson 8 was absent
Most line honours have gone to the T8, also Jet and Tasty in the s30 Cup

*until

• So What comes out firing 6-up fullycrewed complete w/ sportboat/skiff tragics on board
• a Melges32 turns up

even then no sure thing, the T-8 has prevailed in those two situations more than a few times !

In what universe do you expect the Tiger to be scratch over the line?

yes I am reading the Handicap results. I assume in the land of all things sportboat, you fellows have the handicap thing figured out. I was under the impression it is an awesome way to get a bunch of different boats all together and have fun.

But maybe I am misinformed, I suppose the Handicap system there is actually imported by some wanker seppos while no one was tending the office etc.

This Univertse , check results from SASC Sat Oct 22, and don't come any weedy excuses ... and Taste Machine...Shere Khan could do with a wipe.

[Evo]

Nice one Oldstars

[dolphinmaster]

how is it that in the Birthing Room of all things sportsboat oriented, something like the FT10 can go out and open up whoop'em on eeerie body.
Aren't those things supposed to be P's.O.S., made by slanty eyed chinks, and not worthy or capable of holding together long enough to cross the starting line, much less a real race?

quite simply incorrect, the T8 is unbeaten and will remain so*

you might not be reading the results, or be reading the Handicap results

Results in 3 or 4 weekends the only FT FT (ft fastest time) was the one the Thompson 8 was absent
Most line honours have gone to the T8, also Jet and Tasty in the s30 Cup

*until

• So What comes out firing 6-up fullycrewed complete w/ sportboat/skiff tragics on board
• a Melges32 turns up

even then no sure thing, the T-8 has prevailed in those two situations more than a few times !

In what universe do you expect the Tiger to be scratch over the line?

yes I am reading the Handicap results. I assume in the land of all things sportboat, you fellows have the handicap thing figured out. I was under the impression it is an awesome way to get a bunch of different boats all together and have fun.

But maybe I am misinformed, I suppose the Handicap system there is actually imported by some wanker seppos while no one was tending the office etc.

This Univertse , check results from SASC Sat Oct 22, and don't come any weedy excuses ... and Taste Machine...Shere Khan could do with a wipe.

Any links, SASC Sat Oct 22, googles right back to this page.

[GybeSet®]

just google SASC site:au and look fer it

about 4 tigers in the top 8 incl a 1.5 odd minute elapsed winner, way ahead of former performing Tigers of seasons gone by, who are 8-9 minutes in arrears like Balmain T.
OD design so no excuses

the massive time breaks? maybe a story to be told but it won't be !

[richiec]

stories? who went right, who banged left hand shore, who managed the current, who hit traffic. Who sailed better.

[kelly]

stories? who went right, who banged left hand shore, who managed the current, who hit traffic. Who sailed better.

I did not think that anyone read this stuff but heres as I remember it...
Breeze supposed to be from the NE but never got much Higher than an Easterly and pressure 8 to 12 knots maybe a puff above that.
The start was a little confused with a lot of boats just hanging on the line acting as a barrier for those trying to do a more seaman like start. After a couple of tacks things started to settle down. It was a NE course to Lady Bay so those who have read the manuals, including Tasty, Zippier , BT, Flying Brandy, Ten8ious, Jet and a few others went Left. Those who read the wind went Right and got a huge runner up the Southrn shore line. Shere Khan and Tigger lead the fleet up the Right Side with Old Star and a bunch of others in persuit. Bye the time those who had gone Left re joined the fleet Tigger had already lead Shere Khan around the LB mark and were well and truely on their way.
Bye the GI bottom mark , Shere Khan was back in front of Tigger and well ahead of Zippier. Balmain Tiger rounded 4th just ahead of Flying Brandy , Tasty and Jet. The second work to BB saw BT , Flying Brandy and Tasty in a fight for the Left Side but the Tasty crew learnt from their first leg and headed off to the Left after Bradleys, Flying Brandy and BT kept on battling up the Left ( yes you would think they would learn ) at least Flying Brandy got out of the tide BT ended up in the middle battling the tide and going backwards. By the time we reached the BB mark , Tasty had gone with Jet in hot persuit. Old Star joined the group of BT, Flying Brandy and Ten8ious for a great battle down to Point Piper with Flying Brandy turning first and even BT went right with everyone else for the last work back to BB where they were able to sail away from Ten8ious and Old Star but could not get back to Flying Brandy.
Meanwhile Shere Khan was opening up its lead on Tigger who was passed by Zippier , with the rest of the fleet making little impression.
In the end Tasty took 4th place just ahead of Flying Brandy and Jet with Balmain Tiger a couple of mins behind and not too far ahead of a very well sailed Young Star who lead in Sophia and Ten8iousmaking it 6 Tigers in the first 10 places. Young Start got the handicap choclates ahead of Flying Brandy and Ten8ious.
I did see a grat battle between Beware of the Dog and Rapid Transit which seemed to be resolved bye the finish line with Rapid Transit a couple of mins ahead.

[aquaholic]

Well Pistol Dawn finished 6th, J97,Tigers and the T8 the ones in front! Bit of argie bargie on the start though!!! ( Fresh paint an all!!! )

[dogsballs]

Nice one Oldstars

Thanks Evo

Rumour around that Gaz has taken her down to the boatyard.

They,re nailing an extra 6 feet of masonite on the stern for next week

[frayedsheet]

Well Pistol Dawn finished 6th, J97,Tigers and the T8 the ones in front! Bit of argie bargie on the start though!!! ( Fresh paint an all!!! )

I was going re-paint my prod after a few repairs over the winter but after both starts weve done this season I don't think its worth it... managed to avoid hull-hull contact but SK copped the prod pretty hard on its pushpit this week after barging its way to into a great start.
I swore we had a protest flag onboard but alas it couldn't be found. Next time.
Would it not be a whole lot more fun if everyone re-read RRS11?

[aquaholic]

Well Pistol Dawn finished 6th, J97,Tigers and the T8 the ones in front! Bit of argie bargie on the start though!!! ( Fresh paint an all!!! )

I was going re-paint my prod after a few repairs over the winter but after both starts weve done this season I don't think its worth it... managed to avoid hull-hull contact but SK copped the prod pretty hard on its pushpit this week after barging its way to into a great start.
I swore we had a protest flag onboard but alas it couldn't be found. Next time.
Would it not be a whole lot more fun if everyone re-read RRS11?

Well, name fingers and point names....................?

[Youngstar]

Nice one Oldstars

And short handed !!

Thanks Evo

Rumour around that Gaz has taken her down to the boatyard.

They,re nailing an extra 6 feet of masonite on the stern for next week

If you want an additional 6 feet of wheelchair access.....then you better get your chequebook out ......(and Im still paying off the cockpit mods for your colostomy bag).

[Youngstar]

Oct 22: Norths Sails / SASC Super 30 Cup race 5 / Gold Cup 3.

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[Youngstar]

Photos over. Back to normal transmission. I usually have a shot or two more than those posted, so feel free to PM enquire me anytime.

[dogsballs]

Nice one Oldstars

And short handed !!

Thanks Evo

Rumour around that Gaz has taken her down to the boatyard.

They,re nailing an extra 6 feet of masonite on the stern for next week

If you want an additional 6 feet of wheelchair access.....then you better get your chequebook out ......(and Im still paying off the cockpit mods for your colostomy bag).

Nice shots Gaz

I notice most are taken looking back for a change

Oh and by the way,that wasnt just spray on the rear deck.
Dont worry,the test results are due soon

[taste machine]

stories? who went right, who banged left hand shore, who managed the current, who hit traffic. Who sailed better.

Richiec,

Day of snakes and ladders as spring N'easters can be...

Firstly a big welcome to a few new boats in the S30 fleet;

Pistol Dawn; a quick Y88 back after full refit and looking good!
Devils Lair; well known and modded MtGay30 (were the factory team on board?)
Twocan; Masrm 920 from Manly having their first trip to SASC
Velocity; well campaigned Bene 31.7

Well done to the old farts on Youngstar, great to see the team back in action. Watchout for this one when the breeze freshens.

Breeze was typically going to be E early, perhaps turning to a proper seabreeze NE mid afternoon, and likely to fade back to E later in the day.
Off a 26 boat start line (26 starters equals the best ever for S30s!) it wasn't easy to find a clean lane to the right. Ask Frayedsheet; Tasty and Z got repeatedly bounced back to the left up the first beat while a couple of boats took sterns to get right.

ShereK, Tigger and Yougstar did best on the right. Close racing for the rest of us.

Second and final beats were all big righties..... provided you were all the way right. Some folk fell out of the right hand lane and paid dearly (Tigger maybe?)
Some folk stopped thinking and went all the way left on the final beat.......

Looked unbelievably close racing in the mid pack and corrected results suggest same.

And Ten8ious had a good day amoungst the tiger fleet.

Curious to see how the Soto30 will fare, my guess is that it will present with a full "factory" team on its initial outing.

Target is 30 boats on the line before Xmas.

C

[Ten8ious]

Love the pics! Thanks Youngstar. As a newbie to the super 30s and tigers I must say the races are great fun and the racing is close. Really enjoying measuring how we are going week to week and wondering how the hell Shere Khan is so fast! especially with that brown stain on the bottom (check the pic in post 140). We have concluded it is an experimental algae that both lifts and accelerates the boat. Well done guys!

btw - we are looking for a couple of crew for sundays balmain regatta if anyone is interested.


Matt

[LongTim]

'Curious to see how the Soto30 will fare, my guess is that it will present with a full "factory" team on its initial outing.'


Yeah, we're going to bring all the Chinese guys down from Zhuhai


I expect the first Soto 30 in Sydney will be sailed by the owner.

[taste machine]

'Curious to see how the Soto30 will fare, my guess is that it will present with a full "factory" team on its initial outing.'


Yeah, we're going to bring all the Chinese guys down from Zhuhai


I expect the first Soto 30 in Sydney will be sailed by the owner.

LT,

Funny. My comment still stands; first Soto 30 in Sydney will be sailed by professionals, aka "factory" team. I'm sure the owner will be on board.
Don't be shy about wanting to show the boat at its best.

Looking forward to Soto30's arrival.

C

[LongTim]

'Curious to see how the Soto30 will fare, my guess is that it will present with a full "factory" team on its initial outing.'

Yeah, we're going to bring all the Chinese guys down from Zhuhai

I expect the first Soto 30 in Sydney will be sailed by the owner.

LT,

Funny. My comment still stands; first Soto 30 in Sydney will be sailed by professionals, aka "factory" team. I'm sure the owner will be on board.
Don't be shy about wanting to show the boat at its best.

Looking forward to Soto30's arrival.

C

To be honest I have absolutely no idea who will sail it when we get to Sydney but would love to come and play with the Super 30s. Sounds like a great fleet and the sort of thing the S30 should be doing. T

[richiec]

Tell us what race/date the soto will be on the start line. Maybe we can organise the syd based melges 32's to arrange a welcoming committee, of sorts.

[richiec]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

[akasideshow]

Great shots Gaz! and a top race to boot
will get an edit together of the film from tigger tomorrow
have been really short of time the last couple of days

Well done to Share Kahn ... again!
they are proving to be a truely formidable adversary
the're showing what a well handled tiger with a top class crew can do
I would be very interested to see hello tiger come back and tangle
we had a great team on tigger with just a bit of gel to find, but SK found some chinks in our armor and capitalised
We got away fairly clean from the start and soon found the lanes of breeze were separating, and right was it
with just the tide to consider. Don't feel too bad guys I noticed that the eggshells went left as well


so I think thats a bottle of rum to SK from BT for beating them over the line 3 times and a saucer of milk I believe chris?

Go the tigers !

[LongTim]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

[kelly]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

LT, So how do you expect to line up price wise and performance wise with a Tiger, do you see it competing in their space.. will it sail away in Sydney for under $100K Aus owners choice of sails. Tough gig to sell against a Tiger if it aint quicker and aint cheaper.

[LongTim]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

LT, So how do you expect to line up price wise and performance wise with a Tiger, do you see it competing in their space.. will it sail away in Sydney for under $100K Aus owners choice of sails. Tough gig to sell against a Tiger if it aint quicker and aint cheaper.

Fair comment. To be honest it's a quite different boat from the FT. I don't know if it's faster but the Soto 30 is nearly 300 kgs lighter, higher ballast ratio, similar working sail area but bigger kites (plus the big square head main), wider at the deck, etc. Wider stern - more volume generally. Yep, it's around OZ 115,000 plus sails and taxes but a quality product with carbon foils and gucci fittings and finish. Southern Spars mast, PBO rigging.... Whilst I love the FT and it's great success, we're talking two very different products. We look forward to having a race against the Tigers and the rest of the fleet. It's all good for the customers - they have plenty of choice these days.

[kelly]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

LT, So how do you expect to line up price wise and performance wise with a Tiger, do you see it competing in their space.. will it sail away in Sydney for under $100K Aus owners choice of sails. Tough gig to sell against a Tiger if it aint quicker and aint cheaper.

Fair comment. To be honest it's a quite different boat from the FT. I don't know if it's faster but the Soto 30 is nearly 300 kgs lighter, higher ballast ratio, similar working sail area but bigger kites (plus the big square head main), wider at the deck, etc. Wider stern - more volume generally. Yep, it's around OZ 115,000 plus sails and taxes but a quality product with carbon foils and gucci fittings and finish. Southern Spars mast, PBO rigging.... Whilst I love the FT and it's great success, we're talking two very different products. We look forward to having a race against the Tigers and the rest of the fleet. It's all good for the customers - they have plenty of choice these days.

LT those Gucchi Fittings sound great where do you get them, are they the copy ones like you see in Italy. Our Tiger has only Harken, I think I will send a complaint to Tom at FTBoats. Looking forward to getting the chance for a match up. Like a lot of the Super 30 I am sure the Soto will have its favourite conditions. If it planes a little earlier than the Tiger , and I suspect that it will, then 12-15knots of NE breeze will be the window you are looking for. That's also when the GP26 seems to come into its own. Above that wind range the Tigers, Hick 30's etc start to get on the step and its and even playing field once again. In the 10 to 12 knot range we have a couple of sports boats that get up and boogie and can make you look ordinary... happy days

[splash]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

LT, So how do you expect to line up price wise and performance wise with a Tiger, do you see it competing in their space.. will it sail away in Sydney for under $100K Aus owners choice of sails. Tough gig to sell against a Tiger if it aint quicker and aint cheaper.

Fair comment. To be honest it's a quite different boat from the FT. I don't know if it's faster but the Soto 30 is nearly 300 kgs lighter, higher ballast ratio, similar working sail area but bigger kites (plus the big square head main), wider at the deck, etc. Wider stern - more volume generally. Yep, it's around OZ 115,000 plus sails and taxes but a quality product with carbon foils and gucci fittings and finish. Southern Spars mast, PBO rigging.... Whilst I love the FT and it's great success, we're talking two very different products. We look forward to having a race against the Tigers and the rest of the fleet. It's all good for the customers - they have plenty of choice these days.

LT those Gucchi Fittings sound great where do you get them, are they the copy ones like you see in Italy. Our Tiger has only Harken, I think I will send a complaint to Tom at FTBoats. Looking forward to getting the chance for a match up. Like a lot of the Super 30 I am sure the Soto will have its favourite conditions. If it planes a little earlier than the Tiger , and I suspect that it will, then 12-15knots of NE breeze will be the window you are looking for. That's also when the GP26 seems to come into its own. Above that wind range the Tigers, Hick 30's etc start to get on the step and its and even playing field once again. In the 10 to 12 knot range we have a couple of sports boats that get up and boogie and can make you look ordinary... happy days

My first sabot had a full Harken fit out and looked great,but that didn't stop the deck peeling off.

I think that you would agree that its about the LEVEL are of gucci.... I know in my opinion were the tiger fits in, it will be interesting to see were the Soto slots into.

[taste machine]

Just shittin' Tim. The soto looks amazing. Everyone wants to see it do well, and lit up in a 20 knot nor easter.

We are delighted to sail against anyone, Melges 32 included. We recognise that they are the popular global 30 foot (or so) OD class and sailed by some great sailors. The Soto 30 is aimed at a slightly different market with more appeal to the club racer - more stability, bigger cockpit and a lot cheaper of course. In the early days we want to work in with the existing fleets, the Super 30s included. AMS, IRC, whatever... we'll get out there and give it a red hot shot.

LT, So how do you expect to line up price wise and performance wise with a Tiger, do you see it competing in their space.. will it sail away in Sydney for under $100K Aus owners choice of sails. Tough gig to sell against a Tiger if it aint quicker and aint cheaper.

Fair comment. To be honest it's a quite different boat from the FT. I don't know if it's faster but the Soto 30 is nearly 300 kgs lighter, higher ballast ratio, similar working sail area but bigger kites (plus the big square head main), wider at the deck, etc. Wider stern - more volume generally. Yep, it's around OZ 115,000 plus sails and taxes but a quality product with carbon foils and gucci fittings and finish. Southern Spars mast, PBO rigging.... Whilst I love the FT and it's great success, we're talking two very different products. We look forward to having a race against the Tigers and the rest of the fleet. It's all good for the customers - they have plenty of choice these days.

LT,

Mmmmm, having been around the Sydney Super30 fleet for quite awhile I would suggest that the prospective owners of Soto30 and FT10 are looking for different experiences from their sailing/racing boats. I strongly doubt that someone interested in buying a Soto30 would have a FT10 on their "maybe" list, and vice versa. Both owners are likely to come together to do some round the cans racing.

FT10s when new on the scene were being compared with M32s and we know where that ended......don't think any M32 owner ever looked at FT10 and most FT guys are in FT10s because of cost and grand prix nature of M32s. Consequence is more owners of high performance 30s. Never been a boat to do this as well as the FT10!.

I agree with you LT that having the Soto in the market expands the appeal of Super30 racing, there will be another weapon you can bring to the fight!

My humble marketing view is that each of these 2 Super30 "types" should chase their own prospective customers thereby expanding the size of the fleet.

I don't care if Soto30 is faster than FT10......its the latest, sexy thing around 30 feet ....and as I'm greedy for attention for the Sydney Super30 fleet I say bring it!

C

[taste machine]

Forgot to add that the real competition for any new boat in the Super30 space is a second hand Mumm/Farr30.
Still a cracking boat and it remains right on the pace.
And available at v v reasonable prices in Australia.
C

[richiec]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

[LongTim]

We have all the polars and targets ready to go so we sort of know where the Soto 30 will 'slot in', but following the debacle with other alleged target speeds of recent launchings we will use them quietly as a 'guide' until we can publish something honest and truthful.... something new in the marine industry!

[dogsballs]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

Richie
Clandestine is now on a mooring in Watsons Bay sitting infront of my club with a For Sale sign on it
Dont know how good the repair was.
We still drool at it..Farr 30 has got to be the best boat(leaving skiffs aside)that Ive ever sailed.
Fast in the light,and stiff in a blow

I like the look of the Soto 30 on their website...should be very hard to beat.
Just hope its got a tall enough rig,and not too much lead on it.

And do the Chinese sail the same as they drive cars?

[LongTim]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

Richie
Clandestine is now on a mooring in Watsons Bay sitting infront of my club with a For Sale sign on it
Dont know how good the repair was.
We still drool at it..Farr 30 has got to be the best boat(leaving skiffs aside)that Ive ever sailed.
Fast in the light,and stiff in a blow

I like the look of the Soto 30 on their website...should be very hard to beat.
Just hope its got a tall enough rig,and not too much lead on it.

And do the Chinese sail the same as they drive cars?

Soto 30 rig about the same height as the FT10 but with fat square-head thingy. 820 Kgs of lead on a carbon blade. Don't think we'll have any Chinese sailors but I'm pretty crap at driving so WATCH OUT

[GybeSet®]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

they have become the Qld coastal racing 30 !

6 were in that race to ?? Mackay or where ever ? the one where Dave Turtons Tiger beat them in

[frayedsheet]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

Richie
Clandestine is now on a mooring in Watsons Bay sitting infront of my club with a For Sale sign on it
Dont know how good the repair was.
We still drool at it..Farr 30 has got to be the best boat(leaving skiffs aside)that Ive ever sailed.
Fast in the light,and stiff in a blow

I like the look of the Soto 30 on their website...should be very hard to beat.
Just hope its got a tall enough rig,and not too much lead on it.

And do the Chinese sail the same as they drive cars?

Soto 30 rig about the same height as the FT10 but with fat square-head thingy. 820 Kgs of lead on a carbon blade. Don't think we'll have any Chinese sailors but I'm pretty crap at driving so WATCH OUT

Oh so nice to look at... $160K go sailing budget?
Driving analogies?... Spose its like comparing an SS Commodore with a 135i?

[LongTim]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

Richie
Clandestine is now on a mooring in Watsons Bay sitting infront of my club with a For Sale sign on it
Dont know how good the repair was.
We still drool at it..Farr 30 has got to be the best boat(leaving skiffs aside)that Ive ever sailed.
Fast in the light,and stiff in a blow

I like the look of the Soto 30 on their website...should be very hard to beat.
Just hope its got a tall enough rig,and not too much lead on it.

And do the Chinese sail the same as they drive cars?

Soto 30 rig about the same height as the FT10 but with fat square-head thingy. 820 Kgs of lead on a carbon blade. Don't think we'll have any Chinese sailors but I'm pretty crap at driving so WATCH OUT

Oh so nice to look at... $160K go sailing budget?
Driving analogies?... Spose its like comparing an SS Commodore with a 135i?

your budget to go sailing will depend on how you want to option the boat up. The OD suit of sails are 22,000. If you want to start adding Code zeros, fractional kites, blah, blah... your're going to start clocking up the $. Same with instruments. The OD rules are restricting them to the basics.... all to try and keep the cost of the competing in the Class as low as possible. But the 'Class' is a way off yet! Let's get the first few in the water and see if it floats

[richiec]

SS Commodore? you are kidding. Solid built Aussie legend.

Try Ssangyong, or Great Wall Motors, or ... Chery! for an FT10 vs 'other' ... analogy.

[Philc]

Most of the SYD Farr30's have migrated out of Sydney. London Calling left a few years back to SA - never to be heard of again. Optimum 1 (ex Kato) went to Tas. Optimum 2 went to Geelong in March. Yandoo went to Singapore around a year ago. Clandestine got smashed by an out of control Rosman Ferry at Noakes. What ever happened to the Bitter and Twisted lads? 2-Excess - if still called that sails up MH way. Awarua?? Tow Truck/Don't Tell Mum/whatever-it's-called-now - sailing with another fleet. That's about it. Shame, as you say - one of the GREAT super30 boats and well sailed, would still be WAY up the pointy end of the S30 fleet.

2Xcess still sailing with MHYC. Having a good season with a couple of new headsails. New 3DL main to come.

[LongTim]

Don't want to turn this into a Soto 30 flog but thought some of you might be interested. Tell me if I'm overstepping the mark gentlemen (and ladies).
Deck for Soto 30 #1 out and ready to be fitted to the hull. Saving gelcoat in the middle of the cockpit for the custom non-skid for the cockpit floor. What do you reckon - the largest working cockpit in a 30 foot production boat? Space to race and swing the proverbial cat!

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[frayedsheet]

Don't want to turn this into a Soto 30 flog but thought some of you might be interested. Tell me if I'm overstepping the mark gentlemen (and ladies). Deck for Soto 30 #1 out and ready to be fitted to the hull. Saving gelcoat in the middle of the cockpit for the custom non-skid for the cockpit floor. What do you reckon - the largest working cockpit in a 30 foot production boat? Space to race and swing the proverbial cat!

Wheres the outboard storage well go?

[LongTim]

Don't want to turn this into a Soto 30 flog but thought some of you might be interested. Tell me if I'm overstepping the mark gentlemen (and ladies). Deck for Soto 30 #1 out and ready to be fitted to the hull. Saving gelcoat in the middle of the cockpit for the custom non-skid for the cockpit floor. What do you reckon - the largest working cockpit in a 30 foot production boat? Space to race and swing the proverbial cat!

Wheres the outboard storage well go?

Starboard aft, about a metre in from the transom with storage adjacent under the cockpit floor.

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[Tav]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie... and a shame the outboard is at the end of the boat - defies logic really. At 160K I getting my FT10 in the water for 80K was good value 4 years ago and it's done plenty of miles.

[DickDastardly]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie...

Interesting point Tim - do yuo know how the safety regs see the deck layout? Will it pass Cat 3 or 4?

[taste machine]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie... and a shame the outboard is at the end of the boat - defies logic really. At 160K I getting my FT10 in the water for 80K was good value 4 years ago and it's done plenty of miles.

Tav,

Good to see you taking an interest in the S30s.

When are you going to bring the AUDI FT10 National Champ round to the Amateurs and have a crack? Shere Khan has some real pace.......Tigger is in the mix......

Irrespective of cost of the Soto30, the chaps seem pretty keen to throw themselves into the Super30 fleet and see how they go.
Sydney has a better fleet of 30s to pit themselves against than Melbourne right now.

And I think we've all gotten tired of the FT owners claim of $80k. You and I both know the number was well over $100k to make the thing a decent boat to sail. And that's without the 3DLs....

Good luck in Balmain Regatta

C

[LongTim]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie...

Interesting point Tim - do yuo know how the safety regs see the deck layout? Will it pass Cat 3 or 4?

I'll pass all this onto the Designer. It's not as if it can be changed at this stage. The plans and renders have been out since April and we took a lot of commentary from around the world to arrive at the final specifications and design. At the end of the day it is basically a scaled down Soto 40 - hatch and all, with its own personality.

Regarding the cost, the sails are 3DL and 40% carbon, PBO rigging, SS mast, top-line fittings, CFD design analysis, etc, etc.... I reckon it's pretty good value and, I promise, you just can't build a boat like this any cheaper unless you start cutting corners with materials, resins, etc. Like the Soto 40 we are 100% committed to keeping quality world class cause there are others chewing at our heals with alternatives. You just can't afford to skimp on quality in the marine industry anymore.

The specifications guarantee the design will comply with Cat 4.

We are just happy to come along and have a crack with the Super 30s and take all the comments on board but lets get the thing in the water before you get the cane out!

[richiec]

You can get yourself into a fully tickled and cocked Melges 32 for around $US130 - hull #185+. The sail inventory = a main or two, a bunch of jibs and kites and a tilt trailer. Yes, delivery and duty and customs all ++ into Australia, but hey. There are a couple of 32's around on the global market at the mo - for $US90K-odd. Fuck, even you tight arse bargain hunter, 'wheeler dealer, Tony Newly' Tiger owners ought to raise an eyebrow at that.

[kelly]

You can get yourself into a fully tickled and cocked Melges 32 for around $US130 - hull #185+. The sail inventory = a main or two, a bunch of jibs and kites and a tilt trailer. Yes, delivery and duty and customs all ++ into Australia, but hey. There are a couple of 32's around on the global market at the mo - for $US90K-odd. Fuck, even you tight arse bargain hunter, 'wheeler dealer, Tony Newly' Tiger owners ought to raise an eyebrow at that.

For the anticipated price of a Soto 30, could not be less than $160K Aus you could buy two pretty good Tigers in Sydney at the moment, put one on a Trailer and still have change to but even more sails and have the best of all worlds. Point me at the next big regatta , crew will have to pay their own way.... and yes LT.. I think its time to open your own thread re the Soto 30 , this is about Sydney Super 30 Racing , it will be good to have the Soto 30 in that mix, but best to keep on topic. Which brings me to the Balmain Regatta, only 4 Super 30's entered, class will run but would love some late starters...

[dogsballs]

Seems to me the Melges 32 is not so bulletproof
Sure they are fast,but it seems to me that they have a real issue under kite when they broach.
Only way they can get them to come upright is to throw the halyard,it seems...and I,ve seen that in 20kts
Dont look comfortable in 30kn
Can they do Cat 4?
If the Soto can survive a broach in 30 and regain control and stay upright,then thats good.
We will have to wait and see.
I dont think the Melges has been the great success story that they hoped...shown in the re-sale prices and numbers of entries in US champs....but Yank prices are stuffed anyway.
Though I still think they would be a great boat in the right hands.

[LongTim]

Alright. Leave you gentlemen to it to promote the FT10s. Thanks for your feedback and comments.

[dogsballs]

You can get yourself into a fully tickled and cocked Melges 32 for around $US130 - hull #185+. The sail inventory = a main or two, a bunch of jibs and kites and a tilt trailer. Yes, delivery and duty and customs all ++ into Australia, but hey. There are a couple of 32's around on the global market at the mo - for $US90K-odd. Fuck, even you tight arse bargain hunter, 'wheeler dealer, Tony Newly' Tiger owners ought to raise an eyebrow at that.

For the anticipated price of a Soto 30, could not be less than $160K Aus you could buy two pretty good Tigers in Sydney at the moment, put one on a Trailer and still have change to but even more sails and have the best of all worlds. Point me at the next big regatta , crew will have to pay their own way.... and yes LT.. I think its time to open your own thread re the Soto 30 , this is about Sydney Super 30 Racing , it will be good to have the Soto 30 in that mix, but best to keep on topic. Which brings me to the Balmain Regatta, only 4 Super 30's entered, class will run but would love some late starters...

Kelly,I dont agree
This is about new types of boats entering our series
I am really looking forward to seeing a Soto 30 and doing our best to beat it
We want as many boats as possible in our bit of water,and I also dont think we should be comparing boats in dollar value
We want them for their performance value

[kelly]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie... and a shame the outboard is at the end of the boat - defies logic really. At 160K I getting my FT10 in the water for 80K was good value 4 years ago and it's done plenty of miles.

Tav,

Good to see you taking an interest in the S30s.

When are you going to bring the AUDI FT10 National Champ round to the Amateurs and have a crack? Shere Khan has some real pace.......Tigger is in the mix......

Irrespective of cost of the Soto30, the chaps seem pretty keen to throw themselves into the Super30 fleet and see how they go.
Sydney has a better fleet of 30s to pit themselves against than Melbourne right now.

And I think we've all gotten tired of the FT owners claim of $80k. You and I both know the number was well over $100k to make the thing a decent boat to sail. And that's without the 3DLs....

Good luck in Balmain Regatta

C

I have a complete spreadsheet that accounds for every penny spent on landing and launching our Tiger ... landed price $75K Aus Fitted out at SAus .85 $US and sail away $95K which inclued, motor , Rig coating, antifoul, instuments, Rego and Insurance and two years later $10 for a set of Race Sails, and yes, the original delivery sails still come out for twilights a couple of times a week . Not too bad for a shit box chinese take away , 4 years later. There is still no better value on the market. You could move into either of two very well prepared , equiped and presented Tigers in Sydney for under $70K tomorrow. Or land a new one with the Aus $ at around 1.05 and sail away for around $100K with any one of a number of Sail solutions. As I mentioned to LT in a previous post... tough gig !

[kelly]

You can get yourself into a fully tickled and cocked Melges 32 for around $US130 - hull #185+. The sail inventory = a main or two, a bunch of jibs and kites and a tilt trailer. Yes, delivery and duty and customs all ++ into Australia, but hey. There are a couple of 32's around on the global market at the mo - for $US90K-odd. Fuck, even you tight arse bargain hunter, 'wheeler dealer, Tony Newly' Tiger owners ought to raise an eyebrow at that.

For the anticipated price of a Soto 30, could not be less than $160K Aus you could buy two pretty good Tigers in Sydney at the moment, put one on a Trailer and still have change to but even more sails and have the best of all worlds. Point me at the next big regatta , crew will have to pay their own way.... and yes LT.. I think its time to open your own thread re the Soto 30 , this is about Sydney Super 30 Racing , it will be good to have the Soto 30 in that mix, but best to keep on topic. Which brings me to the Balmain Regatta, only 4 Super 30's entered, class will run but would love some late starters...

Kelly,I dont agree
This is about new types of boats entering our series
I am really looking forward to seeing a Soto 30 and doing our best to beat it
We want as many boats as possible in our bit of water,and I also dont think we should be comparing boats in dollar value
We want them for their performance value

I agree... at the end of the day , performance is very important, but not the only thing. As punters we have to be able to afford our sport. I would be great to do Super 30's and all sorts of other Regattas all around Aus, these are costly exercises and so the cost of the boat is an important part of the equation.
There is no magic, I was very closely involved in getting the Tiges to the 12 boats we have in Sydney, it was hard work, not helped by the GFC which probably cut the fleet by another half a dozen boats, but the reason that the Tiger took off was price and not performance. Once price became an issue sales stopped immediately , irrespective of the performance that was being demonstrated by boats like Hallo Tiger and Ophir. And in case anyone thinks I have a vested interest I never have and never will make $1 out of the Tigers, my involvement was purely to assist in building a class here in Sydney.

[mentalasanything]

The Soto is an interesting thing but there are some design quirks... why would you make it an be an inshore only boat? - with the companionway opening below deck level it means closed waters only so no Hammo or Airlie... and a shame the outboard is at the end of the boat - defies logic really. At 160K I getting my FT10 in the water for 80K was good value 4 years ago and it's done plenty of miles.

Tav,

Good to see you taking an interest in the S30s.

When are you going to bring the AUDI FT10 National Champ round to the Amateurs and have a crack? Shere Khan has some real pace.......Tigger is in the mix......

Irrespective of cost of the Soto30, the chaps seem pretty keen to throw themselves into the Super30 fleet and see how they go.
Sydney has a better fleet of 30s to pit themselves against than Melbourne right now.

And I think we've all gotten tired of the FT owners claim of $80k. You and I both know the number was well over $100k to make the thing a decent boat to sail. And that's without the 3DLs....

Good luck in Balmain Regatta

C

I have a complete spreadsheet that accounds for every penny spent on landing and launching our Tiger ... landed price $75K Aus Fitted out at SAus .85 $US and sail away $95K which inclued, motor , Rig coating, antifoul, instuments, Rego and Insurance and two years later $10 for a set of Race Sails, and yes, the original delivery sails still come out for twilights a couple of times a week . Not too bad for a shit box chinese take away , 4 years later. There is still no better value on the market. You could move into either of two very well prepared , equiped and presented Tigers in Sydney for under $70K tomorrow. Or land a new one with the Aus $ at around 1.05 and sail away for around $100K with any one of a number of Sail solutions. As I mentioned to LT in a previous post... tough gig !

but you forgot to add that by not bying a tiger and a soto instead you are not going to be laughed at for trying to race something so ugly looking.
tigers are such a compromise to be cheap. and nasty.
bring it soto.
thrash the tigers (into extinction)

[dogsballs]

You can get yourself into a fully tickled and cocked Melges 32 for around $US130 - hull #185+. The sail inventory = a main or two, a bunch of jibs and kites and a tilt trailer. Yes, delivery and duty and customs all ++ into Australia, but hey. There are a couple of 32's around on the global market at the mo - for $US90K-odd. Fuck, even you tight arse bargain hunter, 'wheeler dealer, Tony Newly' Tiger owners ought to raise an eyebrow at that.

For the anticipated price of a Soto 30, could not be less than $160K Aus you could buy two pretty good Tigers in Sydney at the moment, put one on a Trailer and still have change to but even more sails and have the best of all worlds. Point me at the next big regatta , crew will have to pay their own way.... and yes LT.. I think its time to open your own thread re the Soto 30 , this is about Sydney Super 30 Racing , it will be good to have the Soto 30 in that mix, but best to keep on topic. Which brings me to the Balmain Regatta, only 4 Super 30's entered, class will run but would love some late starters...

Kelly,I dont agree
This is about new types of boats entering our series
I am really looking forward to seeing a Soto 30 and doing our best to beat it
We want as many boats as possible in our bit of water,and I also dont think we should be comparing boats in dollar value
We want them for their performance value

I agree... at the end of the day , performance is very important, but not the only thing. As punters we have to be able to afford our sport. I would be great to do Super 30's and all sorts of other Regattas all around Aus, these are costly exercises and so the cost of the boat is an important part of the equation.
There is no magic, I was very closely involved in getting the Tiges to the 12 boats we have in Sydney, it was hard work, not helped by the GFC which probably cut the fleet by another half a dozen boats, but the reason that the Tiger took off was price and not performance. Once price became an issue sales stopped immediately , irrespective of the performance that was being demonstrated by boats like Hallo Tiger and Ophir. And in case anyone thinks I have a vested interest I never have and never will make $1 out of the Tigers, my involvement was purely to assist in building a class here in Sydney.

I have full respect for your efforts in getting the Tigers up and running.
They make up a strong competitive friendly part of the fleet,and at the moment they are dominating.
Spent plenty of time so far looking at Tiger sterns.

[Schnorky the Wave Puncher]

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Thanks for all the shots Gary

[Schnorky the Wave Puncher]

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Is the purple stripe a retro touch on a new sail or is Tasty's new kite cut from a 1974 blooper? I like it a lot.

[Youngstar]

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Thanks for all the shots Gary

No worries, payment in beer sometime ???
I may be a tad biased, but this one is my favourite so far (courtesy Mr Tasty senior).
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[Jono]

Hey guys keep your design pimping to other threads. Otherwise we'll add a Shaw 30 to the mix..... . I think the readers of this threads are all well aware of the relative merits and costs of the various designs.
I'm in awe of what is being achieved in Sydney, and keep up the photos and stories. What amazes me looking from outside is the lack of grizzling about handicap results to date. You can't all be nice and gentlemanly on such things. Or is the rule that good?

[taste machine]

Hey guys keep your design pimping to other threads. Otherwise we'll add a Shaw 30 to the mix..... . I think the readers of this threads are all well aware of the relative merits and costs of the various designs.
I'm in awe of what is being achieved in Sydney, and keep up the photos and stories. What amazes me looking from outside is the lack of grizzling about handicap results to date. You can't all be nice and gentlemanly on such things. Or is the rule that good?

Jono,

The bloke that does the handicaps is a complete cunt...and is deaf as well.
Not much point complaining.........

Great fleet of similar designs which enables the handicap SW to do its thing with relative success.
Sporties rule in the light, big boats love a stonking NE breeze and chop. Horses for courses.

Just wish we could get all the owners and their crew to take a peek at SAnarchy, debate would be ever more robust.

C