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[bored broker]

This project reminds me a little bit of this one -

Except for the fact that this one was designed by Jim Antrim and paid for by money from DARPA and HP, yes, they're almost exactly the same.

I wonder what the "Insurance Setlment" that he is using to start the funding for this project was? Maybe overexposure to lead paint?

[Great Red Shark]

I love a good 'common man against the establisment' story as much as the next guy, but for the love of almightly God, how the living fuck does not ONE single idiot 'reporter' ask this man, on camera, " Ah, sir - you SAY you are a master craftsman that has constructed large structures before, right ?" ---
" Why yes, I built x, y and z..." ---
" How many of these complex projects were designed by people with NO experience whatsoever ? " .....
" By which I mean, if Joe Homeowner had contacted you to build him a cliffside mansion that he was going to design himself as you worked, would you take that job ? " --- " Fuck no, are you crazy ?"

What's the bet the guy has less sailing time than the dimwit with the Tin Can or that silly Abbey girl ?

[fprintf]

Has anyone taken a field trip to visit this particular shrine to futility? Updates?

In the article, posted September 13th, he said '"We should put it in the water in about 30 days," Lane said, as he showed off the nine-bedroom, three-bathroom 3,200-square-foot boat on a recent afternoon.'

So we should be really close to hearing about a sinking in San Diego harbor, right?

[Mambo Kings]

James Lane : "I have the boat and the vision"
Reid Stowe : " I have the crew and the mushrooms"

What a potential combination.

They will both go down in history.
The rest of us will lead healthy obscure lives.

[U20guy2]

This project reminds me a little bit of this one -

Except for the fact that this one was designed by Jim Antrim and paid for by money from DARPA and HP, yes, they're almost exactly the same.

Not to mention a couple of years of design and development testing materials. I sailed with Jim when he was working on that thing. His description of the design effort was something along the lines of wild and lots of materials strength testing.

[senbaram]

The boys over at Woodenboat are having a field day with this one as well http://forum.woodenb...th-II&p=3124203

To quote: "Anyone remember the similar case of a large aluminum trimaran mocked by Sailing Anarchy a few years ago? That was fun."

That sounds interesting; does anyone have a link?


Edit: did search for 'Tin Can' but, no luck.

[hobot]

Warning! Do not open the box!!

[Delta Blues]

This project reminds me a little bit of this one -

Except for the fact that this one was designed by Jim Antrim and paid for by money from DARPA and HP, yes, they're almost exactly the same.

Not to mention a couple of years of design and development testing materials. I sailed with Jim when he was working on that thing. His description of the design effort was something along the lines of wild and lots of materials strength testing.

What the heck was that thing designed for in the first place?

[Pedro]

This project reminds me a little bit of this one -

I see some resemblance...

http://www.vbar.com/...index100810.php


Except for the fact that this one was designed by Jim Antrim and paid for by money from DARPA and HP, yes, they're almost exactly the same.

Not to mention a couple of years of design and development testing materials. I sailed with Jim when he was working on that thing. His description of the design effort was something along the lines of wild and lots of materials strength testing.

What the heck was that thing designed for in the first place?

[Murphness]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

[dreaded]

....

but, I'm not aware of any statute or precedent in which a person has been prosecuted for attempted suicide.

yes, otherwise Reid would have been cuffed when he returned..

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

just how does he propose to turn that sucker, with no rocker, tiny little rudders and a predictably tiny sail plan. Ill take Matchwood on a reef for $100 please Ken.

[bhyde]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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[bhyde]

Front of bridge deck. the entire bottom has yet to be sheeted.
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[bhyde]

the cross beam over the opening will be where the mizzen is stepped (dead center of photo)
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[some dude]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Looks great. If the BBQ doesn't burn it down first, will he be sailing around backwards? Or does he plan to just wait till the water dissolves the sheetrock so he can see where he's going?

[bhyde]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Looks great. If the BBQ doesn't burn it down first, will he be sailing around backwards? Or does he plan to just wait till the water dissolves the sheetrock so he can see where he's going?

easy Rambo there's more...

[bhyde]

main mast compression post...
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forward port hull inside. epoxy coated...
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port hull inside looking aft.
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Typically crossbeam bolting.
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Rubber lying on starboard hull (inside)
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main mast step looking towards port hull. Port rudder lying on port deck
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joint between cabin top and starboard hull (inside) with crossbeam bolting.
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looking forward in port hull stateroom.
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Starboard settee looking aft from inside.

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starboard bow.
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starboard hull looking forward. Before fairing.
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starboard hull underside looking forward from read quarter.
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some steps on aft starboard hull top
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the big picture.
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[bhyde]

Some quick facts from Hotrod himself:

Length : 65'
Beam : 35'
Rig : 35' main mast, 28' mizzen.
Displacement: 5 tons (10,000lbs) est.
Aux Power : Twin 9hp outboard 2/4 stroke gas engines. Twin genset 120vac electrical fitment
Other: Twin aft steering stations with cable rudder movement.
Intended use: Live Aboard/Charter.
Expected launch: Within next month for basic hull. Fit out/rigging completed while afloat.
Destination after launch: Sausilto for fit out. NZ once complete.

[bhyde]

Construction:
Home grade 2x4, 1/2" and 3/4" ply with spray epoxy coating on all interior surfaces. Exterior finished with epoxy and 8oz - 12oz e-glass.

[Murphness]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Dude, that's awesome! I'm guessing he was more than OK with you taking pictures? What are you thoughts on seaworthyness now that you've seen it up really close? What are the pontoons covered with? I have a shitload of obvious questions....

[bhyde]

Per Hotrod, anyone with spare marine hardware, engines, water tanks, rigging, money or other useful items would be greatly appreciated for the project. Sponsors are also welcome.

[bhyde]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Dude, that's awesome! I'm guessing he was more than OK with you taking pictures? What are you thoughts on seaworthyness now that you've seen it up really close? What are the pontoons covered with? I have a shitload of obvious questions....

Give me a few moments to gather my notes/thoughts, I'm currently digesting the experience.

[Murphness]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Dude, that's awesome! I'm guessing he was more than OK with you taking pictures? What are you thoughts on seaworthyness now that you've seen it up really close? What are the pontoons covered with? I have a shitload of obvious questions....

Give me a few moments to gather my notes/thoughts, I'm currently digesting the experience.

HA! Thanks for takin' one for the team!

[MisterMoon]

Thanks for the photos. It's about as bad as I feared. Hopefully he'll never get it beyond the breakwater cuz' that thing is going to fall apart the first time it encounters seas of any height at all. I doubt even the most powerful force in the universe, the force of habit, will be enough to keep it from breaking up.

[Dag-Sabot]

I haven't been following lately, can someone tell me whether the drywall is in yet?

[jerryj2me]

He thinks that thing can go offshore to NZ?
Its gonna be lucky to stay afloat in an oversized bathtub.
Anybody know if this guy has an sailing experience?

[bugger]

bhyde,

Thanks so much for the pictures. I really think it is cool (but oh so misguided) that this guy is just "doing it".

Please tell us more about Hotrod, his plans, his aspirations, and if he has any doubts.

While this is a train-wreck-in-progress, I salute Hotrod for having a dream, and trying to make his dream come true. But he has so much to learn. But we can learn from him, too.

[bhyde]

I was going to write up an extensive review of what I saw, but I think the pictures really tell the story. You can judge for yourself what the probable outcome will be. I respect Hotrod for having a dream, many people don’t, and throwing his energy and passion into it, but I seriously worry about his safety. I’m not by any means a boat designer, but in my near worthless opinion, any kind of seaway is going to shred that thing without mercy.

It’s hard not to be really critical and tell him he’s f’ed up and doesn’t know what he is doing (I didn’t, I just listened), but I doubt that anything anyone can say will discourage him from trying to complete the boat and sailing it south. He seems focused and truly believes what he is doing will work. One part of me feels sad because I know what is going to happen, we all do, and at the same time I’m happy to see him say, ”Fuck it, I’m doing what I want.”

[bhyde]

He thinks that thing can go offshore to NZ?
Its gonna be lucky to stay afloat in an oversized bathtub.
Anybody know if this guy has an sailing experience?

He has sailed a Hobie16 and a dinghy. I believe he said he currently owns them. He has no offshore experience, but as he said, "It's all the same." Not really sure what that means.

[bugger]

bhyde,

Thanks again.

As someone once said, "experience is a good teacher, but sometimes the lessons come too late".

From your assessment, it seems that Hotrod needs to launch, then learn for himself the error of his ways. As others have also said, he likely won't get far before things start to go wrong.

I also recall hearing that when it comes to boatbuilding, finishing the hull is only about 10% of the total effort. He still has lots to do before casting off his docklines (he has some of those, right?). He won't be going very far for some time yet.

Please continue to keep us informed about this guy, his dream and his boat.

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

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The main crossbeams which double as floor bearers are already bowed under the weight of a half completed cabin, and the thing is not even fitted out yet, let alone floating or supporting rig tension. Id like to see how it will cope when the wave pattern is diagonal to the centreline. Its not a question of if, its a question of how it will break up. My guess is the first fix carpentry diagonal bracing holding the hulls to the main deck will be the first to go, and then it will be a progressive breakdown until the front falls off. And that is all before the truck has lifted it off the stolen brick pallets.

[bhyde]

bhyde,

Thanks so much for the pictures. I really think it is cool (but oh so misguided) that this guy is just "doing it".

Please tell us more about Hotrod, his plans, his aspirations, and if he has any doubts.

While this is a train-wreck-in-progress, I salute Hotrod for having a dream, and trying to make his dream come true. But he has so much to learn. But we can learn from him, too.

I really didn't get into his motivations for the project because I really didn't want to interrupt his work (there's a lot to do) or seem rude. I'd love to go back with a 6-pack of brew and sit down and BS with him, ask him all those pointy questions, maybe meet his son, but that might be intrusive.

I have nothing other than an impression, but I think he has doubts. How could he not?

If I had one piece of advice for him, I would ask him to go out on a large sailboat with his wife and kids, maybe 40'-50' and try sailing around the Farallons when it's "on." He might find that a useful experience, as would his family.

[some dude]

Per Hotrod, anyone with spare marine hardware, engines, water tanks, rigging, money or other useful items would be greatly appreciated for the project. Sponsors are also welcome.

same goes for my boat. plenty of sponsorship opportunities available.

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

Only 5 tons weight , with 800lbs of that being screws and designed after analysing 10,000 catamarans. (listen to the video again).
There are better post divorce recovery plans than this, but when youve only got a judgment of $10,000 to show from a lifetime of hard work, well hell, maybe its just therapy.
Its just nice to screw something back for a change huh ? Even if it is an ugly SOB that deserves 800lb of screwing, its still a sad way to go...

Whats the bet that he just signwrites the sides with comments about his ex wife, and just drives off and leaves the POS in the shopping centre carpark, pumped full of concrete never to be seen again.

NOW THATS A GREAT IDEA..

[Somebody Else]

Length : 65'
Rig : 35' main mast, 28' mizzen.

For reals??!!

Hull shape and construction aside, that 2-knot shitbox ain't goin' nowhere.

[bhyde]

Length : 65'
Rig : 35' main mast, 28' mizzen.

For reals??!!

Hull shape and construction aside, that 2-knot shitbox ain't goin' nowhere.

For real. He has the rig, but Eason recommended a larger setup. That's what Hotrod said. It did not look like there was any provision for a jib.

[big chicken]

That's wicked awesome!

I'm perusing bhyde's pics and my wife walks in. "What you looking at?" (well at least it wasn't porn this time) "It's sort of hard to say but it's supposed to be a 65 by 35-foot boat." "Oh, I thought it was a basement."

He's going to fit it out after it's afloat? I hope he works fast.

[notallthere]

Best. Trainwreck. Ever.

No matter how it turns out ( or turns over, or falls apart, or...) I share Bhydes sentiment that it is kind of cool for Hotrod to just say fuck it, I'm building my boat.

[DA-WOODY]

as a sponsor I'll pitch in $100

to paint in BIG Orange Lettering






DA-WOODY.COM











on the bottom

[K38BOB]

Length : 65'
Rig : 35' main mast, 28' mizzen.

For reals??!!

Hull shape and construction aside, that 2-knot shitbox ain't goin' nowhere.

For real. He has the rig, but Eason recommended a larger setup. That's what Hotrod said. It did not look like there was any provision for a jib.

Its a shame he didn't make the season closer

[K38BOB]

No photo/news updates on this? It's been a month! He should be ready to launch....

...well since you asked and I had a little time today, here you go.

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Inspired by the Seawinds with a BBQ on the aft beam

[Somebody Else]

Length : 65'
Rig : 35' main mast, 28' mizzen.

For reals??!!

Hull shape and construction aside, that 2-knot shitbox ain't goin' nowhere.

For real. He has the rig, but Eason recommended a larger setup. That's what Hotrod said. It did not look like there was any provision for a jib.

On the bright side, that means less compression on those three 2x4s that make up the compression post. Rigging need only be hand-tight. Will he be using shrouds of fencing wire to Home Depot cast pot-metal turnbuckles?

[hobot]

Best. Trainwreck. Ever.

No matter how it turns out ( or turns over, or falls apart, or...) I share Bhydes sentiment that it is kind of cool for Hotrod to just say fuck it, I'm building my boat.

Dare he be called an "Anarchist"

[cap10ed]

ABSOLUTELY THE PUREST FORM OF ANARCHIST, He has offended the sensibilities of both camps. Monohull and multihull. Jeezuz he's gone as far as to offended home builders also. Love the train wreck theme and I hope to see him at least clear the pier. I believe it might be time to send him some life jackets.

Best. Trainwreck. Ever.

No matter how it turns out ( or turns over, or falls apart, or...) I share Bhydes sentiment that it is kind of cool for Hotrod to just say fuck it, I'm building my boat.

Dare he be called an "Anarchist"

[bhyde]

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This is the picture that really makes me take pause. This is inside the port hull, midship, looking forward. The thing to note here is the white piece of wood bolted to the bulkhead (upper right side of pic). That white piece of wood is the crossbeam. From what I can tell about catamaran design, the crossbeam joint and load transfer characteristic therein are real important, so this is where the money is. It, and about four or five others, are holding the two hulls together. There is no hidden structure, just a set of 2x4's coming through the hull and bolted , with a single 1/2" galvanized lag bolt mind you, to a vertical member of the bulkhead. There is no re-enforcement of any kind behind or around the bolt and the bolt is merely sitting in a 1/2' hole drilled through the wood. How this is suppose to transfer any kind of load to the bulkhead is simply beyond me. Not that it would make much difference. The bulkhead is 1/2' ply (one side only) with 2x4 framing screwed to the skin of the hull and notched for the stringers. My best guess as to what would happen if the boat ever got close to the water is that the hulls would simply fold outward, pivoting on the bolts, and the bridge deck would fall to the surface of the water. If that didn't happen, then surely any serious side force on the hulls would simply rip the beams out of the bulkhead.

[trenace]

Well, this is safer actually -- it's better for it to break apart before reaching the water, or immediately upon being put into the water, than to have it do so some few hundred feet from shore with people aboard.

[DA-WOODY]

If the guy announced that it was a stage set being built for a movie - they would have no peACe

or perhaps the dude placed an ad for Multi-hull ACcommodations for the AC in SF

Dude could turn a profit on the deposit alone


other wise may it be breife and painless

[hobot]

Fricken shades of David Vann all over again.

Somewhere there's pics of the structural build of the tincan, this is right along the same lines....

[mezaire]

It will never even make it to the water.......how the hell is a crane going to pick it up without it falling to bits???

[Somebody Else]

It will never even make it to the water.......how the hell is a crane going to pick it up without it falling to bits???

A house mover.

Duh!

[hobsonlea]

Presumably it complies with the Jones act being constructed in the USA....
That should make it safe...
This might be a destination for them to aim for in NZ... http://www.maritimen...nt/location.asp

[K38BOB]

Fricken shades of David Vann all over again.

Somewhere there's pics of the structural build of the tincan, this is right along the same lines....

The "Tin Can" was/is pretty scary.- especially the sailing rigging- but structurally it was quite a bit more sound than this this lumber yard. Might be time to review the tin can articles vs coast guard response. This thing is a lot bigger- maybe big enough to fall under a different set of regulations. We don't need multihull publicity like this (yeah I know, any publicity is good publicity)

[Somebody Else]

Presumably it complies with the Jones act being constructed in the USA....
That should make it safe...
This might be a destination for them to aim for in NZ... http://www.maritimen...nt/location.asp

not funny

[DA-WOODY]

does he have a DVD player ???










or just a PS-3

[Greever]

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This is the picture that really makes me take pause. This is inside the port hull, midship, looking forward. The thing to note here is the white piece of wood bolted to the bulkhead (upper right side of pic). That white piece of wood is the crossbeam. From what I can tell about catamaran design, the crossbeam joint and load transfer characteristic therein are real important, so this is where the money is. It, and about four or five others, are holding the two hulls together. There is no hidden structure, just a set of 2x4's coming through the hull and bolted , with a single 1/2" galvanized lag bolt mind you, to a vertical member of the bulkhead. There is no re-enforcement of any kind behind or around the bolt and the bolt is merely sitting in a 1/2' hole drilled through the wood. How this is suppose to transfer any kind of load to the bulkhead is simply beyond me. Not that it would make much difference. The bulkhead is 1/2' ply (one side only) with 2x4 framing screwed to the skin of the hull and notched for the stringers. My best guess as to what would happen if the boat ever got close to the water is that the hulls would simply fold outward, pivoting on the bolts, and the bridge deck would fall to the surface of the water. If that didn't happen, then surely any serious side force on the hulls would simply rip the beams out of the bulkhead.

I was thinking the same thing. You really should point that out to him.

Once the bottom of the bridgedeck is sheathed, can he glass the hulls to the bridgedeck?

[trenace]

Why point it out?

It is not as if any change to this detail will make the boat safe.

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

Once the bottom of the bridgedeck is sheathed, can he glass the hulls to the bridgedeck?

yeah fibreglassing upside down, working above your head, when gravity is no longer your friend is a lot of fun. If he sheathes the underside of the bridgedeck in plywood, and glasses over that skin, it will be FAIL because it will just rip the plywood off the frames. If he fibreglasses just the diagonal reinforcing between bridgedeck and the hull innerfaces under the boat, then that will give him a few more minutes alive, but the fun will come when the wave striking the underside of the bridgedeck starts peeling the bridgedeck floors away from the floor joists and pulling 800lbs of countersunk head screws through 10mm of non marine plywood, just before the non waterproof glue lines give way, and the crappy innercores of cheap plywood let go. I didnt see any budget for glue in this project. You can bet its not marine plywood. Exterior grade at best, which doesnt have the same structural integrity as marine grade. You can bet he hasnt keyed the plywood so that the epoxy gets a good hold. Spray epoxy as an afterthought just wont cut it. When the veneers start separating, the mast wants to drive down through the deck and waves start coming through cracks in the floor, no amount of battery drill screwing will save you Hotrod. You should be using glue brother, not just galvanized countersunk head screws. If a battery drill can sink a countersunk screw head halfway through 10mm plywood, what do you reckon an ocean swell will do to it ?

[jocal505]

Beach cabin in Appalachia, maybe, if levitated to site.
Home Depot scored with this guy.

[bhyde]

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This is the picture that really makes me take pause. This is inside the port hull, midship, looking forward. The thing to note here is the white piece of wood bolted to the bulkhead (upper right side of pic). That white piece of wood is the crossbeam. From what I can tell about catamaran design, the crossbeam joint and load transfer characteristic therein are real important, so this is where the money is. It, and about four or five others, are holding the two hulls together. There is no hidden structure, just a set of 2x4's coming through the hull and bolted , with a single 1/2" galvanized lag bolt mind you, to a vertical member of the bulkhead. There is no re-enforcement of any kind behind or around the bolt and the bolt is merely sitting in a 1/2' hole drilled through the wood. How this is suppose to transfer any kind of load to the bulkhead is simply beyond me. Not that it would make much difference. The bulkhead is 1/2' ply (one side only) with 2x4 framing screwed to the skin of the hull and notched for the stringers. My best guess as to what would happen if the boat ever got close to the water is that the hulls would simply fold outward, pivoting on the bolts, and the bridge deck would fall to the surface of the water. If that didn't happen, then surely any serious side force on the hulls would simply rip the beams out of the bulkhead.

I was thinking the same thing. You really should point that out to him.

Once the bottom of the bridgedeck is sheathed, can he glass the hulls to the bridgedeck?

I'm not sure he would understand the concept. He thinks that because the hull are asymmetrical that they will always be pushing together so the beams (and joints) are always under compression. I'm not even sure what that means, but that's the thinking.

He is planning on covering the bottom of the bridge deck with plywood (1/2") and then glassing over the wood. The two hulls are currently glassed with a single layer of 8oz glass and are completely set (cured). Nowhere in the area of the bridgedeck-to-hull joint did I see any reason to believe he was planning on building up layers of glass to re-enforce the joint and spread the load of the crossbeams. He would have had to sand the area or use Peel-Ply to get a reasonable surface for apply future layers. That isn't there. In other places on the boat where glass was applied, I saw no evidence that joints had been rounded or filled as is common, and absolutely required, for good structural bonding. I think he feels that the glass is just there to keep water from soaking into the wood and not required for structural reasons.

One of the other things that was a little weird was the color of the hulls. It looked to me like the hulls had already been painted, but Hotrod said that was just the color of the epoxy, which was distinctly yellow (hard to tell in the photos). I'm not sure what brand/type epoxy he is using, but he said it turned that color after it had been in the sun for several months. That can't be good.

One of the statements that Hotrod made that really gives you the willies was about fiberglass boats. It was something to the effect that he didn't like fiberglass boats because they would sink if holed. A wood boat, on the other hand, would not because wood floats. Even if the boat broke up, it wouldn't be a problem because the pieces would always float (being wood). What I should have pointed out is, up until recently, most boats were made of wood and that there are many thousands of sunken wooded boats and crews currently residing on the bottom of many lakes, seas, and oceans throughout the world.

[Pete M]

Bobby - you make the strangest friends

just sayin

he's not gonna let you on it if it floats is he? - it'd be doomed then

[Somebody Else]

It looked to me like the hulls had already been painted, but Hotrod said that was just the color of the epoxy, which was distinctly yellow (hard to tell in the photos). I'm not sure what brand/type epoxy he is using, but he said it turned that color after it had been in the sun for several months. That can't be good.

Oh nice. Unprotected epoxy already oxidizing before it's even launched.
Does he know he needs to protect epoxy from UV?
I mean, it's already probably too late, but...

[prozak]

<spam>

how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

</spam>

[bhyde]

<spam>

how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

</spam>

Maybe log rollers or those house-moving dollies. It would never survive a crane hoist in the conventional manner. I'm not even sure where you could attach a crane. There are no chain plates or obvious hard points and wrapping a strap around the thing would fold it in a heartbeat.

[couchsurfer]

<spam>

how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

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Maybe log rollers or those house-moving dollies. It would never survive a crane hoist in the conventional manner. I'm not even sure where you could attach a crane. There are no chain plates or obvious hard points and wrapping a strap around the thing would fold it in a heartbeat.

,,,,he'll be fine as long as he doesn't fill the swimming pool!!

[Kack]

Does anyone have some spare boat building books we can slip on Hotrod's ft porch while he's sleeping?

Also, doesn't the CG have to certify this in come way before allowing it to hit the water. Not that it would even make it that far.

[Swimsailor]

Anarchy or not, someone needs to tell this guy to stop.

[Windward]

Anarchy or not, someone needs to tell this guy to stop.

Why?

So long as he has liability insurance, and can clean up whatever mess he makes, I say have at it!

Lets just all enjoy the show.

[bhyde]

Oh, almost forgot. When I started talking to Hotrod, his phone rang. It was the Sausalito Harbor Master verifying that, no they would not be able to accommodate a 65x32 home-built cat. That seemed to be shockingly bad news, so I suggested that Richardson Bay, not being under the control of the Sausalite Harbor Master and being a free anchorage, would be just the place to go. Problem solved.

[DA-WOODY]

Presumably it complies with the Jones act being constructed in the USA....
That should make it safe...
This might be a destination for them to aim for in NZ... http://www.maritimen...nt/location.asp

not funny

actually if he keeps his habitat GREEN

a parking spot like the one in NZ or the one like Pereni Nav (spelling ???) staked out would be perfect

I mean sittin on the bottom surrounded by water (@ high-tide) w freeboard to spare, close to shore = Perfect

don't know how it will fair in harsher conditions - like rain


One thing for sure - It should be certified as 100% non-toxic & water soluble before moving any whatsoever

anyone want to guess how it would fair in a 4.3 on the "richter" where it sits ???

I think he's just hoping for som squat-water condo parking

if he had 2 tall masts on each hull

that went all the way through like this twin masted ship that is having no stability problems

[dreaded]

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how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

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he's not going to move it... he's waiting for for the front to fall off California and viola, he'll be floating..

[USA190520]

Starboard settee looking aft from inside.

Love the sledge hammer... Gotta seat that 3/4" t&g plywood floor...

This thing would make a cool sailing club building... Juniors would love it...

[Occams Razor]

Can he just homestead on it in place?

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I bet if he hang up a sign that he's building a modern ark - with plans laid in some sacred texts, the local planning guys will leave him alone….

[Hobie Dog]

bhyde,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop and all the pics, way too funny! And from the looks of things this "boat" is so poorly constructed she will fall apart before launching or shortly after hitting the water so the risk of somebody getting seriously hurt is relatively low, maybe a few breaks and cuts if she breaks up in the harbor... (Old Jerky Boys line.)

What is sad is the amount of money Hotrod is putting into this project. He would have been much better off building a house boat that never leaves the harbor. Does he have deep pockets? Because somebody is going to pay to clean up this floating mess when she breaks up...

[Great Red Shark]

Good Lord, it's worse than I imagined ! That thing is going to fold up like a card table.

[USA190520]

So far it looks fine... No cardboard or cardboard derivitives, no cello tape... She's safe...

[Pedro]

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how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

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Global warming.

[cap10ed]

Any idea what grade of shingles he will be using on the roof oh excuse me the cabin top? Let us know when the train leaves the station. That is one uTube vid I don't want to miss.

Oh, almost forgot. When I started talking to Hotrod, his phone rang. It was the Sausalito Harbor Master verifying that, no they would not be able to accommodate a 65x32 home-built cat. That seemed to be shockingly bad news, so I suggested that Richardson Bay, not being under the control of the Sausalite Harbor Master and being a free anchorage, would be just the place to go. Problem solved.

[Similitude]

So far it looks fine... No cardboard or cardboard derivitives, no cello tape... She's safe...

The plywood he is using may as well be.

[K38BOB]

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how is he planning on moving it?

65 x 32 feet is a lot to move.

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Maybe log rollers or those house-moving dollies. It would never survive a crane hoist in the conventional manner. I'm not even sure where you could attach a crane. There are no chain plates or obvious hard points and wrapping a strap around the thing would fold it in a heartbeat.

or borrow these inflatable logs... they seem ready for an encore

[hobot]

Copper plumbing and a Rheem hot water tank.

[U20guy2]

Oh, almost forgot. When I started talking to Hotrod, his phone rang. It was the Sausalito Harbor Master verifying that, no they would not be able to accommodate a 65x32 home-built cat. That seemed to be shockingly bad news, so I suggested that Richardson Bay, not being under the control of the Sausalite Harbor Master and being a free anchorage, would be just the place to go. Problem solved.

Hey B you might want to remove this post County of Marin may send you a clean up bill when that thing breaks up and washes up on the shore after a winter storm. Great adventure just sad its so large and he will have spent every dime he has making it.

[sculpin]

I trust the wiring will be household Romex? And lots of wire nuts...

[U20guy2]

I trust the wiring will be household Romex? And lots of wire nuts...

It's Ok I heard he was spraying some rubber paint over all the exposed bits ;-) he has it all figured out I tell ya!

[bhyde]

Oh, almost forgot. When I started talking to Hotrod, his phone rang. It was the Sausalito Harbor Master verifying that, no they would not be able to accommodate a 65x32 home-built cat. That seemed to be shockingly bad news, so I suggested that Richardson Bay, not being under the control of the Sausalite Harbor Master and being a free anchorage, would be just the place to go. Problem solved.

Hey B you might want to remove this post County of Marin may send you a clean up bill when that thing breaks up and washes up on the shore after a winter storm. Great adventure just sad its so large and he will have spent every dime he has making it.

Winter storm, bah! This thing is designed to cross entire oceans! 96" sliding glass door on the back, BBQ, and 600lbs of screws laugh at winter storms. A 3.6 earthquake on the other hand...

BTW: You're up next. It's only 10 minutes from RYC, and I assure you, it's well worth the trip.