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[Rail Meat]

Design inspiration

[hobot]

The ship or the sailing conditions?

[madboutcats]

at some stage it will have the same waterline

[DA-WOODY]

so when do the SA'er and TAX Man come along to get their share of "What" value

Who can figure the TAX Value it would rate bassed on being a 2012 / 2013 65' Kat ???

I'm Sure the TAX Man would not slight Hot Rod for the Integrity of the Vessel or lack there of

$300,000 ???

He'll have to get a Survey to Challenge the value the State sets

Who would Survey such a craft ??

[Murphness]

so when do the SA'er and TAX Man come along to get their share of "What" value

Who can figure the TAX Value it would rate bassed on being a 2012 / 2013 65' Kat ???

I'm Sure the TAX Man would not slight Hot Rod for the Integrity of the Vessel or lack there of

$300,000 ???

He'll have to get a Survey to Challenge the value the State sets

Who would Survey such a craft ??

Don't forget he's heading to one of the many "thousands of islands" in the south pacific once the boat is in...The tax man ain't catchin no Hotrod catamaran...

[DA-WOODY]

so when do the SA'er and TAX Man come along to get their share of "What" value

Who can figure the TAX Value it would rate bassed on being a 2012 / 2013 65' Kat ???

I'm Sure the TAX Man would not slight Hot Rod for the Integrity of the Vessel or lack there of

$300,000 ???

He'll have to get a Survey to Challenge the value the State sets

Who would Survey such a craft ??

Don't forget he's heading to one of the many "thousands of islands" in the south pacific GYRE once the boat is in...The tax man ain't catchin no Hotrod catamaran...

but what timing does he need to Meat to Beat the TAX Man ???

do you think TTM will let someone Bulid a YACHT of those dimentions and slip out of the Country

Do you REALLY think it can get out the gate (at all)

[doesitfloat]

Will this thing actually float if he drops it in? ...I mean, I know it's made out of wood and all, but???

After looking at his build pictures; I can say with confidence yes it will float.
It will most likely break apart and the parts being made of wood will float for some time.
It will also rot. Non pressure treated board will soak up salt water like a sponge. He can look forward to building it again next year.

[Bob Perry]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

[Great Red Shark]

Perhaps, with great care and many rollers it can be shifted from the build site to the wet part without too much damage.

Unfortunately, The Ocean will not excercise such attention and consideration.

I only hope he has the money to afford the clean up, because that thing is going to unravel faster than a certain General's career.

[casc27]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

I think we should start a pool on how far he gets it from the build site before it suffers meaninful damage. Put me down for < 2 boat lengths.

[casc27]

Do you REALLY think it can get out the gate (at all)

On a strong ebb I think most of the bigger pieces will make it out.

[Occams Razor]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

I think we should start a pool on how far he gets it from the build site before it suffers meaninful damage. Put me down for < 2 boat lengths.

I say it fails on lift.

[some dude]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

I think we should start a pool on how far he gets it from the build site before it suffers meaninful damage. Put me down for < 2 boat lengths.

I say it fails on lift.

Lift where? There's nowhere to put it in the water unless he's going to ramp launch it

[UniGor]

How about a trebuchet launch?

[VwaP]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

No need to move. Hot Rod is ahead of the curve


Global warming: Sea level rising faster than expected

Posted on November 5, 2012 by Bob Berwyn

Climate feedback loops at play in accelerated rate

This map by Emanuel Soeding, of Christian-Albrechts University, uses NOAA data to show possible impacts of sea level rise to the U.S. Coast.

By Summit Voice
FRISCO — Sea level rise is one of the most obvious signs of global warming, but climate scientists have been trying to figure out why the oceans are expanding faster than most models predict. The 2007 IPCC report forecast global sea level to rise between0.2 and 0.5 meters by the end of the century, but with the rate accelerating, that could increase to as much as 1 meter.
Sea levels are rising faster than expected from global warming, and University of Colorado geologist Bill Hay has a good idea why. The last official IPCC report in 2007 projected a global sea level rise between 0.2 and 0.5 meters by the year 2100. But current sea-level rise measurements meet or exceed the high end of that range and suggest a rise of one meter or more by the end of the century.
“What’s missing from the models used to forecast sea-level rise are critical feedbacks that speed everything up,” said University of Colorado geologist Bill Hay, explaining that the models may not be accurately accounting for feedbacks from Arctic sea ice, the Greenland ice cap, and even soil moisture and groundwater mining.

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

The only option he has to launch this thing, is the drive a huge trailer under the bridgedeck and jack it up. The turning circle of a trailer that size is going to be a problem at two bends in the road, and then they are going to have ramp length problems when the back trailer wheels drop off the ramp and the hull still isnt floating. So while the owner of the truck is trying to stop his brakes from being immersed in salt water, and losing the whole rig into the sea, hotrod will be asking him to back it further in. There will come a point where the trailer owner will say enough, and assisted by a second truck, pull the thing back up the ramp. They will dismiss the idea of putting it on rollers which sink into the sand, or dropping it onto the ramp and waiting for high tide (which wont be enough to float the bow off). That is the point when they break out the chainsaws to convert it into two monohulls capable of being trucked to a better ramp and rejoined with half a tonne of screws....... Someone needs to take a video of the launch attempt. It will be priceless.. DaWoody ?

[Argyle]

Will probably go something like this:

[itch]

I thought cats use beach wheels.

[DA-WOODY]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

No need to move. Hot Rod is ahead of the curve


Global warming: Sea level rising faster than expected

Posted on November 5, 2012 by Bob Berwyn

Climate feedback loops at play in accelerated rate

This map by Emanuel Soeding, of Christian-Albrechts University, uses NOAA data to show possible impacts of sea level rise to the U.S. Coast.

By Summit Voice
FRISCO — Sea level rise is one of the most obvious signs of global warming, but climate scientists have been trying to figure out why the oceans are expanding faster than most models predict. The 2007 IPCC report forecast global sea level to rise between0.2 and 0.5 meters by the end of the century, but with the rate accelerating, that could increase to as much as 1 meter.
Sea levels are rising faster than expected from global warming, and University of Colorado geologist Bill Hay has a good idea why. The last official IPCC report in 2007 projected a global sea level rise between 0.2 and 0.5 meters by the year 2100. But current sea-level rise measurements meet or exceed the high end of that range and suggest a rise of one meter or more by the end of the century.
“What’s missing from the models used to forecast sea-level rise are critical feedbacks that speed everything up,” said University of Colorado geologist Bill Hay, explaining that the models may not be accurately accounting for feedbacks from Arctic sea ice, the Greenland ice cap, and even soil moisture and groundwater mining.

He said FRISCO

[Tucky]

I've got to say that while i have laughed through this entire thread, I'm now feeling bad for this fellow. He has so cheerfully built this thing with a lot of thought and ingenuity and effort and energy, and all without asking for help. I understand that will be his downfall, but LF Herreshoff named his wonderful little ketch Rozinante for a reason, and this man truly is la living Don Quixote.

I can only wish that it ends in a better way than what we are all expecting. I know I am wishing for a miracle.

[Occams Razor]

I've got to say that while i have laughed through this entire thread, I'm now feeling bad for this fellow. He has so cheerfully built this thing with a lot of thought and ingenuity and effort and energy, and all without asking for help. I understand that will be his downfall, but LF Herreshoff named his wonderful little ketch Rozinante for a reason, and this man truly is la living Don Quixote.

I can only wish that it ends in a better way than what we are all expecting. I know I am wishing for a miracle.

+1. Unfortunately, I think this will be more of "a fool and his money are soon parted"

[itch]

But what will he do after the negative survey? Restaraunt, monument?

[familysailor]

Will this thing actually float if he drops it in? ...I mean, I know it's made out of wood and all, but???

After looking at his build pictures; I can say with confidence yes it will float.
It will most likely break apart and the parts being made of wood will float for some time.
It will also rot. Non pressure treated board will soak up salt water like a sponge. He can look forward to building it again next year.

Freshwater is the problem. Saltwater pickles the wood and inhibits rot. Some wooden boats are built with a "salt shelf" the length of the hull under the shear clamp. When the deck leaks in the rain (or snow), the water passes over and through rock salt on the shelf and turns fresh water to salt, preserving the bilge and other areas where water collects.

[familysailor]

Here's where he is:

http://maps.google.c...65,0.01089&z=17


The link may not work.
On Google Maps Locate: Leith Lane & Loch Lomand Dr. San Rafael, CA
Then zoom once and I think you'll see the beast

Right next to the street name "Leith Lane".
The boat ramp is to the west and south of his location on the empty lot. Looks like he might squeeze onto the ramp. Best chance would to put about a hundred skate boards under it and ease it on in..

[svgreatwhite]

Here's where he is:

http://maps.google.c...65,0.01089&z=17


The link may not work.
On Google Maps Locate: Leith Lane & Loch Lomand Dr. San Rafael, CA
Then zoom once and I think you'll see the beast

Right next to the street name "Leith Lane".
The boat ramp is to the west and south of his location on the empty lot. Looks like he might squeeze onto the ramp. Best chance would to put about a hundred skate boards under it and ease it on in..

That's cool, click on the link and you can see it there. But when I zoom in, it disappears. Zoom back out and it reappears. The mystery of the disappearing/reappearing house!

[couchsurfer]

Here's where he is:

http://maps.google.c...65,0.01089&z=17


The link may not work.
On Google Maps Locate: Leith Lane & Loch Lomand Dr. San Rafael, CA
Then zoom once and I think you'll see the beast

Right next to the street name "Leith Lane".
The boat ramp is to the west and south of his location on the empty lot. Looks like he might squeeze onto the ramp. Best chance would to put about a hundred skate boards under it and ease it on in..

...perhaps he's waiting for a flood to gracefully float his boat




....maybe he's a few steps ahead of us fools??!?

[familysailor]

Here's where he is:

http://maps.google.c...65,0.01089&z=17


The link may not work.
On Google Maps Locate: Leith Lane & Loch Lomand Dr. San Rafael, CA
Then zoom once and I think you'll see the beast

Right next to the street name "Leith Lane".
The boat ramp is to the west and south of his location on the empty lot. Looks like he might squeeze onto the ramp. Best chance would to put about a hundred skate boards under it and ease it on in..

That's cool, click on the link and you can see it there. But when I zoom in, it disappears. Zoom back out and it reappears. The mystery of the disappearing/reappearing house!

Yeah, you can see into the future......

[jocal505]

Do you REALLY think it can get out the gate (at all)

On a strong ebb I think most of the bigger pieces will make it out.

I have been laughing about this post for a few hours. Only on SA.

[hard aground]

Anyone have a proposed launch date? Maybe there could be a call to the local media so those of us that can't be there can share in the magic.

[hobot]

Other than the material choice.....this thread is so similar to the Vann thread it's eery.

[familysailor]

Maybe Vann will be waiting at the end of the San Rafael channel to escort him out the Gate....???

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

Hotrods mother in law (aka the Kraken) will be really pissed (literally) when she finds he has converted her wheelchair into a mizzen sheet traveller car and her hearing aid battery is now powering the porch light. No Vannguard will be strong enough to withstand the wrath...

[floating dutchman]

I haven't gone through this thread, but would presume that the structural ribs etc. are probably there for show, not for go. By putting stays for the masts out to the corners of the hulls, when that thing starts flexing in seas, the tension on the wires will cause the mast to break through compression. I'd love to see that thing out in 20" seas with a good helicopter and a better video cam to catch it on.

fixed

[JumpingJax]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

Professional jealousy? Right here in public? For shame!!!

[soak_ed]

It will be intersting to see if he can move the cat to the launch area without damaging it structurally.

Professional jealousy? Right here in public? For shame!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

[JumpingJax]

I've got to say that while i have laughed through this entire thread, I'm now feeling bad for this fellow. He has so cheerfully built this thing with a lot of thought and ingenuity and effort and energy, and all without asking for help. I understand that will be his downfall, but LF Herreshoff named his wonderful little ketch Rozinante for a reason, and this man truly is la living Don Quixote.

I can only wish that it ends in a better way than what we are all expecting. I know I am wishing for a miracle.

This level of "engineering" is God's way of cleaning the gene pool. No miracle needed.

[shaggybaxter]

To paraphrase a wiser gentlemen than I.......


Noah

Who is that?

It’s the lord

Right.
Where are you? Waddya you want?

I want you to build an ark

Right.
Whats an ark?

Go out in the woods. collect all the of the wood offcuts in the world, get two of each, and make the ark out of offcuts, 80 offcuts, 40 offcuts, 30 offcuts.


Right.
Whats an offcut?

Lets see, a offcut, I used to know what a offcut was…..

[hard aground]

I've got to say that while i have laughed through this entire thread, I'm now feeling bad for this fellow. He has so cheerfully built this thing with a lot of thought and ingenuity and effort and energy, and all without asking for help. I understand that will be his downfall, but LF Herreshoff named his wonderful little ketch Rozinante for a reason, and this man truly is la living Don Quixote.

I can only wish that it ends in a better way than what we are all expecting. I know I am wishing for a miracle.

It will be much safer for him to have it end like we're all expecting - dead at launch, than if somehow he get's out to sea when it all breaks up.

[couchsurfer]

I've got to say that while i have laughed through this entire thread, I'm now feeling bad for this fellow. He has so cheerfully built this thing with a lot of thought and ingenuity and effort and energy, and all without asking for help. I understand that will be his downfall, but LF Herreshoff named his wonderful little ketch Rozinante for a reason, and this man truly is la living Don Quixote.

I can only wish that it ends in a better way than what we are all expecting. I know I am wishing for a miracle.

It will be much safer for him to have it end like we're all expecting - dead at launch, than if somehow he get's out to sea when it all breaks up.

....I'll bet it's nicely set-up to resist frame-torque


....the mother-in-law would be complaining about the skreeeching noise!

[Hobie Dog]

I think he is going to have some settlement cracks in the dry wall seams. Probably a few nail pops as well but that is to be expected with new construction...

[bhyde]

I think he is going to have some settlement cracks in the dry wall seams. Probably a few nail pops as well but that is to be expected with new construction...

Nails! Rodrod is a Master Carpenter, only screws will do for this beauty.

[Occams Razor]

Does he have the shingles on yet? Rainy season is upon us!

[JumpingJax]

Laugh if you must, but when this boy goes foiling out the Gate and past the Farralones, to be seen no more, you won't be laughing then! And this poor thread will never be enough documentation to replicate his genius! (Thank God!)

[Para Bellum]

When's he pouring the foundation?

[DA-WOODY]

When's he pouring the foundation?

IF it sits till the Big Quake and the area Liquefies

it just might settle in and when the ground drys again - wont need no steps or foundation

it will be an underground bunker

[rgscpat]

What I want to know is where you get a killer deal on gopher wood 2x4s.

[mo fuzz]

....I'll bet it's nicely set-up to resist frame-torque

Naw. No doubt he has been "consulting with" (read: watching) the local Oracle boys testing their cat. He understands a little "flex" in the platform is not a problem and can in fact be good. He's not worried.

Don't forget, he has studied lots of designs (looked at boats in marinas). Therefore he is now a master designer.

[itch]

Everything he has ever built has been through an earthquake.

[167149]

updates?? curtains? handrails? sun lounger and portable jacuzzi?

[Ishmael]

Shuffleboard on the aft deck? You'd want something nearby that floats, just in case. A liferaft, for instance, but it would probably be useless when the beast breaks up in the parking lot.

[hard aground]

Doesn't wood float?

[Alpha FB]

Doesn't wood float?

it's the weight of the nails that will pull it down...

[Vendredi]

Doesn't wood float?

it's the weight of the screws that will pull it down...

fixed it for you...

[hard aground]

What do you think the chances are that this catamaran weighs as much as a duck? Perhaps it's a witch?

[swims4USA]

What do you think the chances are that this catamaran weighs as much as a duck? Perhaps it's a witch?

"What also floats in water?"
"Very small rocks!"



"HotRod dressed me up like this!"

[jocal505]

Shuffleboard on the aft deck? You'd want something nearby that floats, just in case. A liferaft, for instance, but it would probably be useless when the beast breaks up in the parking lot.

Very healthy type LOL here. It never ends, this stuff.

[sculpin]

He would have been better off building a ferrocement boat... haven't heard of a cat done line that but what the heck...

[K38BOB]

He would have been better off building a ferrocement boat... haven't heard of a cat done line that but what the heck...

monster one at vallejo guest dock

[familysailor]

He would have been better off building a ferrocement boat... haven't heard of a cat done line that but what the heck...

monster one at vallejo guest dock

er.... Whut?

[K38BOB]

He would have been better off building a ferrocement boat... haven't heard of a cat done line that but what the heck...

monster one at vallejo guest dock

er.... Whut?

http://goo.gl/maps/3AoWc

[mcsailor0303]

http://goo.gl/maps/3AoWc

Why would anyone build such an ugly ass boat?!

[bighugh]

http://goo.gl/maps/3AoWc

Why would anyone build such an ugly ass boat?!

Because they can.

[Kai]

God this thread is awesome. I sure hope he launches that thing.

[Hobie Dog]

http://goo.gl/maps/3AoWc

Why would anyone build such an ugly ass boat?!

Because beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

[Torsten]

Anyone got any updates or new pics of The Beast?

[port wine is red]

I saw the boat two weeks ago. He has a complete rig on it with a blue sail cover on the sail, looks like a rig for a 25-27 footer. It's mounted towards the back where a mizzen mast would be. He has hobie cat style rudders too. Cheap place to live till it hits the water and becomes a
A. Death trap.
B. hazard to mariners
C. A real joke
D. All of above

[familysailor]

Does the term "Bay fill" sound familiar to anyone?

Forbes Island?

[U20guy2]

If it keeps raining like it has the last few days it might bring the water a little closer to his home perhaps the closest it will get to sitting in water anyway. LOL

Anyone think a few good wind storms might vibrate the roof deck apart now that he has all that wire rigging up? LOL

[Life Buoy 15]

Any pics of the rig available?

[Somebody Else]

Any pics of the rig available?

Yes. Post #670

Let's see if this works... click HERE

[itch]

Christmas lights on the porch and gutters yet?

[Pedro]

From the FP:

http://www.sunreef-y...eck-modern.html

Hmmm. And is he planning on launching before the end of the world on Dec. 21st?

[NorCalLaser]

Forbes Island?

That abomination is a damn death trap... cant believe its allowed to operate

[mcsailor0303]

I want to know why Mr. Clean hasn't done an OTWA interview with Hotrod yet...

[DA-WOODY]

I want to know why Mr. Clean hasn't done an OTWA interview with Hotrod yet...

Clean hasn't missed covering one day of it being on the water

[mcsailor0303]

I..um..meant "Off-The-Water-Anarchy"?

haha, good point tho

[KiwiJoker]

Forbes Island?

That abomination is a damn death trap... cant believe its allowed to operate

Brace yourself. There's more out there and more to come.

This little beauty is the brainchild of a French entrepreneur building boats in Poland. And he's taking over the world.

http://www.sunreef-yachts.com/about-us.html

[familysailor]

Forbes Island?

That abomination is a damn death trap... cant believe its allowed to operate

Where is it now? Heard it moved up the delta after being booted out of Richardson Bay then to the City Front. Is it still there?

[itch]

Who'll be laughing when Hotrod is foiling across the bay?

[some dude]

Who'll be laughing when Hotrod is foiling across the bay?

me

[some dude]

Forbes Island?

That abomination is a damn death trap... cant believe its allowed to operate

Where is it now? Heard it moved up the delta after being booted out of Richardson Bay then to the City Front. Is it still there?

It was in the harbor at Pier 39 last time I saw it. But an odd piece of cockpit gossip was that Tiger Woods purchased it. There may have been drinking involved with the initial information transfer, so fact checking is in order. Pat

was there last time I sauntered by during Fleet Week

[JumpingJax]

Who'll be laughing when Hotrod is foiling across the bay?

You're late. See two weeks ago.

Edit: Sorry, before your time. Show tits, newbie.

[Liquid Assett NZ]

This is great more pics please more updates !!!

[DA-WOODY]

anyone able to check if he's put up a nativity Ark for XMAS

[dog of war]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

[Hobie Dog]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

We are waiting!!!

[DA-WOODY]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

We are waiting!!!

waiting for the film devolopers and printers and post office

takes time

[itch]

Hell of a party! Takes time.

[dog of war]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

We are waiting!!! :D/>

It was a hell of a party.....I was a bit late getting there after a long day of sailing so we didn't stop by the monster to get a look.

[JumpingJax]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

We are waiting!!! :D/>

It was a hell of a party.....I was a bit late getting there after a long day of sailing so we didn't stop by the monster to get a look.

And left all of SA on edge, waiting, waiting with bated breath! You DOG!

[casc27]

I'll see if I can get some pictures and a update tonight. I'll be at a Christmas party about 2 blocks away.

We are waiting!!! :D/>

It was a hell of a party.....I was a bit late getting there after a long day of sailing so we didn't stop by the monster to get a look.

That's it then, you're fired!

[DA-WOODY]

can we see some sash weights at least

[phillysailor]

SA needs a UAV for better coverage of stories like this.

[JumpingJax]

It's wrong to abandon this thread. The guy has worked so hard for so long, and you guys just drift away. He's not running a Hitler parody here, you know. You guys out there need to step it up.

[Pete M]

ill be up there next week - ill post pics on the 26th

[casc27]

SA needs a UAV for better coverage of stories like this.

A UAV? That's no fun. I'd rather fly a photographer over the area on a regular basis.

[rgscpat]

Would this boat make a good clubhouse for surf nazis if it could survive long enough?

[familysailor]

If you could drag it far enough up a great beach before it broke up..... most probably

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

If that thing was in Australia, it would have been covered in graffiti, used as a skateboard park, smashed up by angry neighbours or set alight by now. It must be the stealth technology or the pointy end of a battery drill that has kept the riff raff at bay.... 4 hour vandalism watches: The mother in law has to nod off sometime..

[167149]

construction must be shadey enough to keep delinquints and vagrants at bay