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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:02 PM

America's Cup events have failed to live up to the hype thus far  By Paul Gackle
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Does The City need the America's Cup or does the America's Cup need The City?

The Summer of Racing along the waterfront is quickly turning into the Summer of Agonizing Boredom and the final two rounds of the Louis Vuitton Cup promise to be as lifeless as the first 30 days of "competition."

In July, we saw nine solo races, two blowouts and two contests where Luna Rossa Challenge failed to finish in the required time. At this point, we're still a month away from the main event and the Giants look like they have a better chance of winning the National League West than Luna Rossa or Artemis Racing has of mounting a challenge against Emirates Team New Zealand in the Louis Vuitton Cup finals.

 

The only intriguing question right now is whether Artemis, which just launched its new boat two weeks ago, can compete with Luna Rossa, a team that's been swallowing water in New Zealand's wake for a month, in the semifinals, which start Tuesday.

Without getting into the 8,000 jobs and the $1.2 billion pledged to the local economy, the America's Cup is a failure simply because it's not competitive and boring. It isn't giving spectators the riveting experience that organizers promised 2½ years ago.

In fact, the regatta's only saving grace right now is the spectacular backdrop The City's skyline, the Golden Gate Bridge and Alcatraz are providing the towering 72-foot catamarans as they zip through the course without contest. Ironic, considering the bombast we heard from organizers as they twisted The City's arm to sweeten the deal in December 2010.

If you recall, CEO Stephen Barclay and Oracle's Larry Ellison had threatened to turn down The City's bid and award the event to Newport, R.I., or Italy if it didn't meet a list of financial demands.

"If you want a headline, it's San Francisco snatched defeat from the jaws of victory," Barclay told the San Francisco Chronicle. "San Francisco had it in their hands, and they progressively let it go."

They convinced us that losing the event would be a colossal fumble. Then-Mayor Gavin Newsom called hosting the America's Cup a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity, others said that losing it would be a disaster.

In hindsight, it couldn't have been more of a disaster than what we've seen so far, especially when the America's Cup needed The City to launch itself as a TV sport on the NBC Sports Network.

With new boats that can hit 50 mph, organizers are trying to turn sailing into NASCAR on water and they needed The City's breathtaking scenery to give the home viewer a visually stunning experience.

But organizers miscalculated with the AC72s, which proved to be too fast, too expensive and too dangerous. They only drew three challengers, so the Louis Vuitton Cup is a snoozer and, honestly, it's more enjoyable to spend a summer day at Outside Lands, the Presidio or AT&T Park.

Now, Barclay is saying that it's all about the America's Cup Finals in September and he might be sincere. But if it turns out to be a dud, The City won't collapse. San Franciscans don't need NASCAR on the Bay to enjoy rich and memorable summers.

Paul Gackle is a contributor to The San Francisco Examiner. He can be reached atpgackle@sfexaminer.com and followed on Twitter @GackleReport.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:33 AM

idiots guide to the AC

 



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:46 AM

^The last few seconds are a bit on the nose...



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:35 PM

Louis Vuitton Cup: Dean Barker hits out at Oracle Team USASail World

This afternoon, America's Cup Defenders Oracle Team USA admitted that personnel in their team altered an AC45, taking it out of class, and raced it in this ...


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

August 9, 2013 OTUSA Withdraws from Past AC45 Regattas
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ORACLE TEAM USA’s AC45 yachts have withdrawn, retrospectively, from the last four AC World Series regattas.

This follows an internal investigation led by CEO Russell Coutts, which determined that prior to racing in the regattas the yachts were modified without the permission of the Measurement Committee. The withdrawal is in spite of the fact that the modifications had no impact on the performance of the boats.

The AC45s are a class of 45-foot training yachts used in previous world circuit regattas and have not raced since Naples in April 2013. They are distinct from the AC72 yachts (72-footers) being raced in this year’s Louis Vuitton Cup and America’s Cup.

The modifications were made over a year ago by a small number of team members involved in the AC45 circuit, without the knowledge of management or the skippers, and without having followed standard internal procedures.

“Our team is very disappointed by this turn of events, and I believe that voluntarily withdrawing from these past AC45 regattas is the appropriate corrective action,” Coutts said. “Going forward we remain focused on our AC72 training in preparation for the upcoming America’s Cup this September.”



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:39 PM

Oracle forfeits season trophies for rule violation
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As a result of a technical rules violation, Oracle Team USA has forfeited its overall championships in the two seasons of the America's Cup World Series, warm-up events for the America's Cup. All three of the Oracle boats, including those skippered by Jimmy ...


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:37 PM

Yachting: Oracle face misconduct probeNew Zealand Herald

America's Cup defenders Oracle are being investigated for misconduct after it appears they deliberately broke the class rules during the AC45 World Series ...


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:00 AM

Oracle forfeits season trophies for rule violationSan Francisco Chronicle

As a result of a technical rules violation, Oracle Team USA has forfeited its overall championships in the two seasons of the America's Cup World Series, ...
 
WHAT ABOUT THE CHEATERs= ggyc oracakle
 
paying back money they got -wtf


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:58 AM

Dalton slams Oracle as America's Cup cheats 19:55 Fri, 9 Aug 2013
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In one of the biggest scandals in international yachting history, Oracle Team USA have been found guilty of cheating after modifying their AC45 catamarans illegally in last year's America's Cup World Series.

The syndicate is now being charged with bringing the sport into disrepute following an internal investigation.

The investigation determined that before racing in the regattas, the yachts were modified without the permission of the measurement committee.

The boats were used by Oracle Team USA in the America's Cup World Series, which the American team went on to win.

Team New Zealand boss Grant Dalton is fuming.

"It was a deliberate attempt to circumvent the rule - that's cheating. It's as bad as it gets and it's a team we respect as competitors, but our competitors were cheating us to try and beat us.

"What are they capable of in the America's Cup?"

Oracle Team USA boss Russell Coutts has advised that his team have retrospectively withdrawn from the last four World Series regattas, although he claims the modifications had no impact on the boats' performance.

He claims the modifications where made by a small number of team members, without the knowledge of skippers - Coutts and Aussie Jimmy Spithill - or management, and without following standard internal procedures.

The team have been ordered to return all relevant prizes and trophies.

"Our team is very disappointed by this turn of events and I believe that voluntarily withdrawing from these past AC45 regattas is the appropriate corrective action," Coutts said.

"Going forward, we remain focused on our AC72 training in preparation for the upcoming America's Cup this September."

America's Cup expert Peter Lester says it comes down to who made the call.

"I think a banning from this sport [is appropriate], but let's get it very clear - I don't think it's necessarily who did the work on the boats. Who gave the instruction to do the work on the boats is probably the more pertinent point and getting to the bottom of that could be difficult."

An investigation has started under sailing's Rule 69.

Source ONE Sport



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:30 AM

oracakle damage control - attempt s 

 

evilsin and coutts public within last few days doing smoke /mirrors / denials 

 

ggyc hiding behind them - pathetic 

 

 

Coutts lashes back at Dalton
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It has placed a stain over the America's Cup regatta in San Francisco with Oracle's rivals heaping pressure on Coutts' syndicate as an International Jury ...http://www.stuff.co....ver-allegations
 
 
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Coutts fires back at critics, insists Oracle management didn't know ...
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An international jury is investigating the matter and could sanction Oracle before the America's Cup finals begin. It has already interviewed dozens of Oracle ...http://blog.sfgate.c...llegal-weights/


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:14 PM

FINALLY sf fiasco  evil is being recognized by others --

 

 

  Strong words by the New Zealand Herald! Larry Ellison, Russell Coutts and Oracle Team USA are "evil"

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:08 AM

NICE HAT 

 

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COUTTS FIRES: Kiwi Russell Coutts has lashed out over cheating allegations against his Oracle team.


Regatta director Iain Murray seemed non-plussed.

"Obviously communications between Oracle and the measurement committee and Davies, and what was written, was probably generalized," Murray said. "At the end of the day, I don't think it changes facts. There were illegal parts found. Whether they were on two or three boats, it wouldn't change the problem."



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:50 AM

 
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Coutts fires back at critics, insists Oracle management didn't know ...
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An international jury is investigating the matter and could sanction Oracle before the America's Cup finals begin. It has already interviewed dozens of Oracle ...http://blog.sfgate.c...llegal-weights/

 

I wonder what kind of sanctions the IJ might deploy?

 

- Fines (money)?

- Forfeit a few races in the match?

- Get thrown out of the entire regatta?

 

If the last we will continue the already well-established tradition of solo sailing.

 

Which is not as boring as it sounds.

 

I am waiting for OR to protest the fact TNZ have taniwha in their starboard hull.

 

If not showing up at an event party is good for a protest, surely taniwha deserve attention.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:54 AM

evilsin looks guilty -

 

he will get caught on the bribes he paid out  

 

 

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America's Cup: Enough grounds to investigate Oracle - jury

By: Radio Sport staff, | Latest Yachting News | Tuesday August 20 2013 6:31

The international jury is satisfied there are enough grounds to investigate Oracle over allegations of cheating during the America's Cup World Series.

The jury has issued two notices that commentator PJ Montgomery reports are serious and significant.

The jury will conduct two hearings, one into allegations of gross misconduct by up to nine sailors in Team Oracle.

The second will determine whether Oracle Racing is valid for the America's Cup.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

radio radio
 

 

Like everyone else in the entire world, we’re amazed at just how pathetic the Louis Vuitton Cup ‘racing’ has been.  And with Ainslie’s rudder snapping clean off in Defender trials, the home team is no better than the visitors.  Listen above to hear Mr. Clean sum it up well, as recorded live this morning with D’arcy Waldegrave onRadio Sports NZ.

Meanwhile, remember we told you Oracle was threatening to protest Luna Rossa and ETNZ for ‘trespass’?  As much as it sounds like it, we weren’t joking.

As a final sum-up for the ‘summer of racing’ thus far, here’s a good look at the what, the why, and the how of the AC72 debacle including an interview with a rapidly aging Russell Coutts, from our friends at the good ship Outside Mag.  Thanks to Kahlessa for the find, and don’t forget to spend a few hours with the America’s Cup Anarchy forums if you’re looking for the best Cup discussion on the web.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:41 AM

Yachtenfreude Redux: America's Cup Remains A Joke To Everyone But Larry

 

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The Oracle Team catamaran after capsizing last October..

 

Two more editorials today, one on Gawker and one from Mother Jones, succeed in eviscerating Larry Ellison and his great big, ultra-expensive, no-good boat race in which there's barely anyone competing at this point except him.

The Gawker piece, part of their weekly American Journal column by Ken Layne, pokes special fun at Ellison, and notes that even sponsor Louis Vuitton seems a little pissed about how few boats there are in this race.

In Silicon Valley, billionaires such as Ellison use sailing as a way to show off their obscene wealth. And within this fake-libertarian outdoor-wear showoff culture, competitive sailing is the ultimate way to burn money while looking rugged. ...

Ellison conned the city of San Francisco out of some $60 million in subsidies and services, even as his fellow billionaires decided against throwing their money at his vanity project. The promised 15 crazy catamarans filling the Bay with action wound up being a trio of lonesome showboats that often raced against nothing but the wind. So few teams actually showed up that longtime America's Cup sponsor Louis Vuitton demanded a return of $3 million already pledged to the event.

 

Also, Layne recommends something Ellison might want to consider if he actually wants to get the tens, or hundreds of thousands of spectators he promised to show up:

If Ellison truly wants to produce a spectacle in the natural amphitheater of the San Francisco Bay, he will announce the 2015 War of the Giant Nautical Robots. Each tech-company team will have its own island to defend—Alcatraz, Treasure Island, Alameda, Angel Island—and each will produce 200-foot-tall amphibious robots that will fight with brute force. Think of that Pacific Rim movie, but without the annoying characters and talking. Just massive, deadly robots, beating the crap out of each other, cheered on by hundreds of thousands of spectators lining the shores and docks of San Francisco and the East Bay...

The tech companies that make so much money selling us unnecessary upgrades and spying on everyone for the U.S. government at least owe us incredible spectacles.

 

Mother Jones delves into the dollars and cents of it all, what San Francisco taxpayers are actually paying for, and how Larry actually snagged the Cup in the first place, back in 2010. Basically, he's taken a number of people to court:

Ellison's 2010 victory in Valencia, Spain, was years (and millions of dollars) in the making. From 2007 to 2009, Ellison fought a series of legal battles so that his team could replace a newly formed Spanish team that was set to compete. He won, then proceeded to fight then-Cupholder Swiss pharmaceutical heir Ernesto Bertarelli in New York state courts over the time and location of the race. Ellison's lawyer was David Boies, who represented Al Gore in the 2000 recount battle [and the plaintiffs in the Prop 8 suit].

Chris Pastore, a yachting historian, says that, "Yacht racing is inherently litigious," but it all sounds very exhausting to us.

They also point out that this may not turn out to be such a disaster, and if the race breaks even, or whatever, S.F. might let Ellison do it here again. But the giant robot idea would totally be a bigger hit.

[Gawker]
[Mother Jones]



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:42 AM

Silicon Folly: How To Make an "Extreme" Sailboat Race Dull and Deadly

It was going to be the greatest outdoor sports spectacle in history: weird giant sailboats racing against each other in the grand natural amphitheater of the San Francisco Bay all summer long, with hundreds of thousands of happy spectators watching from the Bay's 400 miles of shoreline. At least that was the idea when billionaire and Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, after winning the right to choose this year's location for the America's Cup sailing competition along with his victory in 2010's race, chose the bay instead of the more customary open ocean. Instead, it's a giant flop with "races" that usually consist of a single awkward catamaran bouncing around by itself in the fog.

This billionaire's folly has managed to make front page news a few times, but never for the intended reasons—the Swedish team's boat capsized and killed a crewman in May, Ellison's defending champions returned four trophies last week after being caught cheating, and Saturday's two-boat race featured an idiot's stew with the New Zealand team crashing and the Italian boat "crippled" by mechanical failure.

Sailing used to be the only way to get people and other things across water, but like most amusements of the rich it did not become a sport until it was rendered obsolete by mechanical technology. (Another such example is golf, which tradition says began not as a "game" but as the usual morning ritual of the Scottish landowner searching the bog for knives he'd lost during the previous night's revelry.)

In Silicon Valley, billionaires such as Ellison use sailing as a way to show off their obscene wealth. And within this fake-libertarian outdoor-wear showoff culture, competitive sailing is the ultimate way to burn money while looking rugged. Even though the mogul is not aboard during the races, he gets plenty of photo opportunities beforehand, with his custom Puma team jacket and the salt spray and the champagne.

Because nobody else cares at all about competitive sailing, locals and tourists were encouraged to buy $200 tickets to America's Cup-branded amusements such as oldies concerts (Sting, Weezer, the Doobie Brothers) and to visit three "public access" sites of merchandise shops and concession stands at the usual waterfront spots in San Francisco. Donations have been made to an ecological non-profit to add a sheen of ocean protection to the corporate events. Ellison conned the city of San Francisco out of some $60 million in subsidies and services, even as his fellow billionaires decided against throwing their money at his vanity project. The promised 15 crazy catamarans filling the Bay with action wound up being a trio of lonesome showboats that often raced against nothing but the wind. So few teams actually showed up that longtime America's Cup sponsor Louis Vuitton demanded a return of $3 million already pledged to the event.

Specifically designed to be dangerous and keep the winning advantage with Ellison's $100 million catamarans, the promised spectacular went from flop to tragedy when Team Artemis, one of only four participating in the Cup, capsized near the Bay Bridge. The accident killed one of the sailors—Andrew "Bart" Simpson, who won an Olympic medal in 2008—and reduced the actual competition to just two challengers. The America's Cup race director demanded that the U.S. Coast Guard cancel the permit for the entire event.

In Ellison's quest to make something "extreme" that might appeal to the 99% of Americans who couldn't care less about sailboats, his version of the Cup featured boats so unsafe they couldn't even go for practice runs without catastrophe. Team Oracle crashed their own catamaran last October, a multi-million-dollar screwup that cursed the whole enterprise, which will finally sputter into Wikipedia history next month when (maybe) one of the two remaining challengers goes against Team Oracle.

But even a Death Race bores spectators when the "competition" consists of a single goofy-looking catamaran—of the five official races so far, the New Zealand team won three by default, with the Swedish team licking their wounds and the Italian team either sitting out in protest or unable to sail because of mechanical problems. When Artemis finally got a boat ready to compete again, the team lost every one of its "finals."

If Ellison truly wants to produce a spectacle in the natural amphitheater of the San Francisco Bay, he will announce the 2015 War of the Giant Nautical Robots. Each tech-company team will have its own island to defend—Alcatraz, Treasure Island, Alameda, Angel Island—and each will produce 200-foot-tall amphibious robots that will fight with brute force. Think of thatPacific Rim movie, but without the annoying characters and talking. Just massive, deadly robots, beating the crap out of each other, cheered on by hundreds of thousands of spectators lining the shores and docks of San Francisco and the East Bay, and tens of millions watching on the teevee. You could watch the battles from airplanes taking off and landing, and traffic on the Golden Gate and Bay Bridge would be so much more fun with real Giant Robot wars fought all around you. (Losing teams would sacrifice their CEOs on beautiful LED-illuminated funeral pyre-towers based on the popular "Burning Man" ritual.)

The tech companies that make so much money selling us unnecessary upgrades and spying on everyone for the U.S. government at least owe us incredible spectacles.

Ken Layne, America's favorite watersports journalist, writes the Ken Layne's American Journal column for Gawker every Monday. [Photo via Getty Images.]

 
 


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:43 AM

San Francisco paid $482K for America's Cup CEQA billSan Francisco Examiner

The bill, given to The City last August by the America's Cup Event Authority and paid out last October, included $281,860 to global consulting giant AECOM, ...
 
San Francisco paid $482K for America's Cup CEQA bill  By Chris Roberts 

 

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The City doled out a non-reimbursable $482,295 to attorneys and planners to satisfy California environmental law in preparation for a much bigger America's Cup regatta than the event that ended up materializing this summer, city documents show.

Under the terms of the 2010 agreement that brought yacht racing to the waterfront, The City was on the hook for any work done to satisfy strict California Environmental Quality Act standards. The bill, given to The City last August by the America's Cup Event Authority and paid out last October, included $281,860 to global consulting giant AECOM, $172,214 to law firm Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, and $28,221 to law firm Hanson Bridgett LLP, according to documents on file with the Office of Economic and Workforce Development.

The work was performed in 2011 and early 2012, when estimates — from crowd sizes to costs — for the America's Cup were much bigger.

"Those were the costs associated with putting on a large event," said Mark Buell, chairman of the America's Cup Organizing Committee, which is currently fundraising to pay off the rest of the costs to The City.

This summer's racing has drawn smaller crowds and fewer teams competing than anticipated.

"Had we known it wasn't going to be as big of an event, [the CEQA review] would have been cheaper," Buell said.

Cup organizers are in the middle of a fundraising campaign to defray some of The City's additional costs for hosting the event, which in March were estimated to be $22 million.

A total of $16 million has been raised to date, said organizing committee CEO Kyri McClellan, adding that if fundraising falls short then additional tax revenue generated by the event will "make The City whole."

The much-ballyhooed yacht race has suffered a series of black eyes — from a tragic death to cheating allegations leveled on defending champs Team Oracle USA (the team funded by Oracle CEO Larry Ellison) to drastically reduced estimates of crowds and revenue. That has led to bad press domestically and internationally, with coverage in recent months bashing the America's Cup as an economic and sporting failure.

But Buell held out hope that the fall racing will still excite attendees.

However, Supervisor John Avalos, a consistent critic of the event, blasted the CEQA bill as "more of the corporate welfare The City shelled out for Larry Ellison and the America's Cup Event Authority."

Bills to pay

Estimated cost to city: $22M

Funds raised to cover city costs: $16M

Bill to city to cover CEQA requirements: $482,000



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:29 AM

Team NZ boss Dalton takes verbal dig at OracleAuckland stuff.co.nz

Oracle front the international jury this week on serious charges that threaten fines, bans or the loss of points in the America's Cup match, a best of 17 series ...
 
 

Then he had his little dig.

"But they have got a bit on at the moment ... they have got plenty on (this) week.

 

I guess we'll see how they kind of come out of that one."

 

 



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:33 PM

Did Larry Ellison cheat in the America’s Cup?

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After years of preparation and countless controversies, software mogul Larry Ellison'sOracle Team USA is poised to defend the America's Cup against Emirates Team New Zealand beginning Sept. 7.

But first it must beat back a cheating scandal that threatens to blacken the reputation of Oracle and several of the biggest names in yacht racing, and could make it harder for the American team to hang on to the 162-year-old trophy.

An international jury of five sailing experts has been trying to determine exactly how three Oracle catamarans competing in preliminary regattas known as the America's Cup World Series came to be altered with heavier fittings and illegal lead and resin hidden in their frames.

The jury will hold a hearing on Thursday in San Francisco, and is expected to rule shortly thereafter on whether individual Oracle team members have engaged in "gross misconduct" and whether the team as a whole has brought disrepute to the event.

Oracle could be docked points in the Cup regatta, which it can ill-afford in the face of what looks to be a stout challenge from New Zealand, which on Sunday clinched the challenger slot by beating Italy's team in the Louis Vuitton Cup.

Individual Oracle sailors and shore crew members—though not the team itself—could be disqualified from the event.

"There has been cheating going on. I won't use any other word because it is obviously cheating," said Bob Fisher, 78-year-old yachtsman and author of a history of the America's Cup. "It looks really bad."

(Read more: Luxe sponsorships set sail at America's Cup)

The alterations came to light at the end of July, when an America's Cup measurement committee examining an Oracle 45-foot catamaran in advance of a youth sailing regatta found that a piece of the yacht's carbon-fiber structure known as a king post weighed 5.2 pounds more than it should have.

The American team had sailed the yacht—a smaller version of the 72-foot catamarans being used for the Cup itself—and two others that were also overweight, to win the World Series competition. In contrast to the Cup boats, which can be customized within a strict set of rules, all the so-called AC45s used in the World Series were built to the same specifications in the same New Zealand boat shop at the same time.

After a measurement committee notified Oracle about the extra weight, team chief executive Russell Coutts offered a quick mea culpa and Oracle formally forfeited its victories. Coutts, a legendary New Zealand sailor who skippered his country's boat to America's Cup victory in 1995 and 2000, said unauthorized modifications had been made without management's knowledge.

Competitors and others in the sailing community quickly derided that explanation, saying they could not imagine skippers sailing without knowing their boats had been altered.

Still, Ben Ainslie, one of Oracle's two helmsmen, would appear to have a good alibi: He was sailing for his fourth Olympic gold medal last summer when the extra weight was added to a yacht that he later skippered in the World Series.

"Obviously someone on the team thought it was the best place to put the weight," Ainslie told Reuters. "I don't know if they even realized they were breaking the rule.

"It's frustrating for us, but 99.9 percent of the team have nothing to do with it."

Whoever did it was not very smooth. An Aug. 15 measurement committee report described "a discolored plastic bag secured with multiple cable ties" that was filled with lead and resin and was "so tightly wedged into the kingpost that it could not be removed intact."

Oracle insists it gained no competitive edge from the added weight. Yet some sailors wondered if other, more significant alterations could have been made but later removed, leaving just the few telltale lead-filled bags that the measurement committee uncovered.

Ironically, Oracle last year pushed to add a rule about harming the sport's reputation. Dubbed the "the Dalton rule," some say it stemmed from the American team's effort to muzzle Grant Dalton, New Zealand's outspoken managing director, who has repeatedly criticized the 2013 America's Cup event.

The Dalton rule empowers the jury to punish Oracle by subtracting points before the best-of-17 races begin.

(Read more: UAE royals' megayacht nabs top spot)

Ellison's Oracle team, as defending champion, had the right to set the rules, specify boat design and choose the venue for this year's competition.

But the decision to use expensive, high-tech 72-foot catamarans, which can travel faster than 50 miles an hour, has been fiercely criticized for keeping many competitors away and making the races too dangerous. A British Olympian, Andrew "Bart" Simpson, was killed in a training accident in May.

Oracle referred questions to Tom Ehman of the Golden Gate Yacht Club, which is sponsoring Oracle and the America's Cup event. Ehman said he was not allowed to discuss questions pending before the international jury.

Ehman has launched accusations of his own, alleging that New Zealand and Italy's Luna Rossa had trespassed on the Oracle AC45s during a "reconnaissance mission." He lodged a formal protest last week and then withdrew it, saying he needed more time to gather evidence.

"We have multiple witnesses who said members of Team Emirates and Luna Rossa were climbing all over our AC45s to find something," he said. "Whether it's a technical trespass under California law, I don't know, but it's bad sportsmanship."

Some watching the sport say the recent events are in keeping with a history of gamesmanship in the modern America's Cup, dating to a 1983 controversy when Australia imposed a blanket of secrecy over its innovative winged keel.

"It's coming down to the final event, and there's a lot of posturing," said sailor and author John Rousmaniere, who writes about sailing and the history of the America's Cup. "They've been working on this for three years. Generally, it builds as the finals get closer and closer."

For New Zealand, which looked very polished in routing Italy's Luna Rossa in the challengers' competition but has yet to be truly tested, the scandal is something of a gift.

"We're apprehensive because we think they're fast," Dalton said of Oracle at a news conference Sunday. "They look really good, but they've got to get through next week as well."

—By Reuters.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:01 AM

Ruling on U.S. violations expected by week's end
 
 
Tom FitzGerald Published 5:45 pm, Tuesday, August 27, 2013

An international jury's decision on Oracle Team USA's illegal-weight violations is expected by the end of the week.

The case could be the biggest scandal in the 162-year history of the America's Cup and could result in the forfeiture of races in the best-of-17 finals against Emirates Team New Zealand beginning Sept. 7.

The Oracle syndicate faces a hearing Thursday with the five-member jury of the International Sailing Federation over the team's admitted violations during the America's Cup World Series.

That hearing will deal specifically with Article 60 of the Cup protocol, which is aimed at protecting the integrity of the Cup.

Two members of the jury spent Monday and Tuesday interviewing 16 Oracle team employees and five employees of America's Cup Race Management in a separate hearing. That one dealt with Oracle people who might have violated Rule 69 of sailing's racing rules, which covers "gross misconduct."

In addition to costing Oracle races, the jury could levy a fine against the sailing organization owned by Oracle Corp. co-founder and CEO Larry Ellison.

On Aug. 8, Oracle admitted that lead weights were improperly placed in its World Series boats. As a result, it forfeited its overall championships in the two seasons the series ran as a warm-up to the America's Cup.

The Cup committee responsible for boat measurements said the weight violations were "an intentional effort" to circumvent the rules. Two rival teams, including Team New Zealand, accused Oracle of cheating.

It's possible that Oracle could even be thrown out of the regatta altogether, giving the Kiwis the Cup without even sailing a race. That possibility is considered extremely unlikely.

Oracle team chief executive Russell Coutts has said the weights were placed by a team employee or employees without the knowledge of management. He said the weights had no bearing on the performance of the boats.

Tom FitzGerald is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail:tfitzgerald@sfchronicle.com. Twitter: @tomgfitzgerald

 



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:05 PM

America's Cup spectator count lags predicted 2 million turnoutSan Francisco Business Times

Some 500,000 people have watched America's Cup racing live at Piers 27-29 ... America's Cupofficials said 500,000 people have turned out so far to watch the ...
 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:18 PM

I wonder if demon ehman will be under the IJ knife also will he perjure himself again 

 

since he is a self claimed expert on ac ''rules'' he knows how to break them and get caught / busted  thats for sure  :lol:

 

Those named include Russell Coutts (OTUSA CEO), Grant Simmer (OTUSA General Manger), Jimmy Spithill (OTUSA Skipper), Mark Turner (OTUSA Shore Team Manager), Richard Slater (OTUSA Rules Advisor) and Andrew Henderson (Rig Team Manager). 

Also called as a witness is Chief Measurer, Nick Nicholson. The team and International Jury may call other witnesses as required. 

The date of the Hearing under Article 60 of the Protocol governing the 34th America's Cup has been twice moved, originally to accommodate the unavailability or Oracle Team USA's legal counsel, Phil Bowman. The team will also be represented by Golden Gate Yacht Club Vice Commodore, Tom Ehman an acknowledged rules expert and with an America's Cup Jury and Rules experience stemming back to 1980. 



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:35 PM

Ruling on Oracle boat violations to come next week
 
Tom FitzGerald Updated 12:29 am, Friday, August 30, 2013
 
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The international jury investigating illegal weight placements by Oracle Team USA during the America's Cup World Series said it won't announce a decision until early next week.

A day earlier the jury said on the Cup website that a decision would come by the end of this week. The complexity of the case apparently caused the delay.

A jury hearing for the Oracle team's management was delayed from Thursday to Friday, apparently because interviews of the team's employees took longer than anticipated.

Two members of the five-person jury have spent the past three days investigating the case and interviewing 16 members of the Oracle sailing and shore teams and five members of America's Cup Race Management.

Depending on how severely the jury of the International Sailing Federation decides the punishment should be for Oracle's admitted rules violations, the defending champion could be forced to forfeit races in the best-of-17 finals against Emirates Team New Zealand.

The finals begin Sept. 7 and could run as late as Sept. 21.

Tom FitzGerald is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail:tfitzgerald@sfchronicle.com



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:34 PM

Peter Lester: Decision on Oracle will reach into all sportsNew Zealand Herald

The big news in the America's Cup world this week is not what has been happening out on the water in the youth fleet, but what has been going on behind ...
 
 
quote //\\how do you send out the message that cheating is not tolerated, knowing you are also dealing with people's lives? Because for the sailors involved, this could be career-ending.
 
I've been impressed by how thorough the jury has been with this case. They've been under the pump to get a decision out and resolve this whole mess, but they haven't hurried it. We can be confident the jury is independent and its final decision will be well thought out - I don't know if we could have said the same in 2007, after some of the shenanigans that went on there. In this Cup cycle, not all decisions have gone the way of Team New Zealand by any means, but the jury is doing an excellent job of applying the rules in a fair and consistent manner.''''


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 03:45 AM

Cup is filled with 162 years of historySan Francisco Chronicle

The America's Cup, the oldest trophy in international sports and sailing's greatest prize, helped boost spirits during the Great Depression, has been feted in ...


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:42 PM

Billionaire death race: inside America's Cup and the world's most ...The Verge

The finals of the 34th America's Cup are days away, but they will take place in the long shadow cast by the events of May 9th. On that morning, sailing in the high ...


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 07:31 AM

Cup veteran blasts farcical regattaThe Nelson Mail

The man regarded as "the America's Cup authority" has launched a scathing attack on the current regatta, labelling it the biggest mess since 1988's big boat ...


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:36 PM

ACEA’s Stephen Barclay is concerned about Louis Vuitton parties but not illegally-modified boats

Posted on 04 September 2013 by Valencia Sailing

 
 
 

Throughout the long and acrimonious legal fight between Alinghi and BMW Oracle from July 2007 to February 2010, one of the pillars of Larry Ellison’s and Russell Coutts’ promises was that the future edition, should they come out victorious in the courts, would have “fair rules” and “independent” organizing authority. For that reason they set up America’s Cup Race Management (ACRM) that is in charge of organizing the on-the-water aspects of the event while America’s Cup Event Authority was charged with running the commercial and financial part of the event.

Both bodies were supposed to be independent from the defending yacht club, GGYC, and its team, Oracle Team USA, but reality turned out to be different from Oracle’s promises, especially in the case of ACEA as its CEO, Stephen Barclay, until his appointment was the COO of Oracle Team. We always thought it would be impossible for Barclay to turn against his own team and the details of yesterday’s Jury decision make it blatantly clear that ACEA and its CEO are in reality an extension of the Defender. Again, there is nothing wrong about that, it’s the essence of the America’s Cup, but it flies into the face of countless promises made in the last four years.

When, in early July, Luna Rossa filed a protest against Regatta Director Iain Murray for unilaterally modifying the AC72 class rules, ACEA thought the most burning issue in the world’s oldest sports trophy wasn’t the ludicrous number of challengers, the scant local interest or the lack of media attention but the fact Luna Rossa hadn’t attended the opening Louis Vuitton Cup party. For that reason they protested Luna Rossa to the Jury, arguing, among other, that“refusal to participate in these Special Events has caused ACEA, Louis Vuitton, the other Competitors, the 34th America’s Cup and potentially the future America’s Cups to come to significant and possibly irreparable harm.”

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It seems that allegations of illegal modifications to a boat matter much less than failing to attend a party. Photo copyright Gilles Martin-Raget

Reading that argument one would think the New Zealander would be outraged by the potential damage to the image of the event caused by the allegations that surfaced in August that Oracle Team USA had illegally modified one of their AC45 yachts in 2012 and 2013. However, the details of the Jury’s decision on the case are stunning. According to ACEA, “the public response to OTUSA’s conduct has been negligible” and that “provided there is no generally perceived issue of corruption in the sport, OTUSA’s conduct should have no measurable impact on the future commercial interests of the America’s Cup or other rights holders in sailing.”

It is extremely hard to understand how a non-incident, such as the failure to participate in a party, which by the way was only reported in the mainstream media of Francisco and Auckland can cause “significant and possibly irreparable harm” to the America’s Cup while a cheating allegation that had extensive coverage through the main news agencies of the world has no “measurable impact.” Double standards?



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:46 PM

what an ahole coutts is 

 

he states the ''tap on wrist penalty '' is unfair 

 

so he thinks cheating is fair /ok   he is a total ahole like the rest of oracakle team corp -

 

going to court then next step for them cheaters 

 

Oracle penalty 'completely unfair' - Coutts

 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=11119980



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 11:19 PM

ACEA’s Stephen Barclay is concerned about Louis Vuitton parties but not illegally-modified boats
Posted on 04 September 2013 by Valencia Sailing

i find this too pretty outrageous and hypocritical....you have many journos from ALL over the world (not just NZ as Peter would want you to think) that have condemned this....but no, not them.

and now they have the CEO of Oracle bagging the Jury and still no more penalties for him
so Dalton can't say what he thinks but Coutts can
double standard all around

but hey they are independent
can i have a puff please



 

 
 
 

 

 
Throughout the long and acrimonious legal fight between Alinghi and BMW Oracle from July 2007 to February 2010, one of the pillars of Larry Ellison’s and Russell Coutts’ promises was that the future edition, should they come out victorious in the courts, would have “fair rules” and “independent” organizing authority. For that reason they set up America’s Cup Race Management (ACRM) that is in charge of organizing the on-the-water aspects of the event while America’s Cup Event Authority was charged with running the commercial and financial part of the event.
Both bodies were supposed to be independent from the defending yacht club, GGYC, and its team, Oracle Team USA, but reality turned out to be different from Oracle’s promises, especially in the case of ACEA as its CEO, Stephen Barclay, until his appointment was the COO of Oracle Team. We always thought it would be impossible for Barclay to turn against his own team and the details of yesterday’s Jury decision make it blatantly clear that ACEA and its CEO are in reality an extension of the Defender. Again, there is nothing wrong about that, it’s the essence of the America’s Cup, but it flies into the face of countless promises made in the last four years.
When, in early July, Luna Rossa filed a protest against Regatta Director Iain Murray for unilaterally modifying the AC72 class rules, ACEA thought the most burning issue in the world’s oldest sports trophy wasn’t the ludicrous number of challengers, the scant local interest or the lack of media attention but the fact Luna Rossa hadn’t attended the opening Louis Vuitton Cup party. For that reason they protested Luna Rossa to the Jury, arguing, among other, that“refusal to participate in these Special Events has caused ACEA, Louis Vuitton, the other Competitors, the 34th America’s Cup and potentially the future America’s Cups to come to significant and possibly irreparable harm.”
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It seems that allegations of illegal modifications to a boat matter much less than failing to attend a party. Photo copyright Gilles Martin-Raget

Reading that argument one would think the New Zealander would be outraged by the potential damage to the image of the event caused by the allegations that surfaced in August that Oracle Team USA had illegally modified one of their AC45 yachts in 2012 and 2013. However, the details of the Jury’s decision on the case are stunning. According to ACEA, “the public response to OTUSA’s conduct has been negligible” and that “provided there is no generally perceived issue of corruption in the sport, OTUSA’s conduct should have no measurable impact on the future commercial interests of the America’s Cup or other rights holders in sailing.”
It is extremely hard to understand how a non-incident, such as the failure to participate in a party, which by the way was only reported in the mainstream media of Francisco and Auckland can cause “significant and possibly irreparable harm” to the America’s Cup while a cheating allegation that had extensive coverage through the main news agencies of the world has no “measurable impact.” Double standards?




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Posted 06 September 2013 - 06:35 AM

ACEA’s Stephen Barclay is concerned about Louis Vuitton parties but not illegally-modified boats
Posted on 04 September 2013 by Valencia Sailing

i find this too pretty outrageous and hypocritical....you have many journos from ALL over the world (not just NZ as Peter would want you to think) that have condemned this....but no, not them.

and now they have the CEO of Oracle bagging the Jury and still no more penalties for him
so Dalton can't say what he thinks but Coutts can
double standard all around

but hey they are independent
can i have a puff please



 

 
 
 

 

 
Throughout the long and acrimonious legal fight between Alinghi and BMW Oracle from July 2007 to February 2010, one of the pillars of Larry Ellison’s and Russell Coutts’ promises was that the future edition, should they come out victorious in the courts, would have “fair rules” and “independent” organizing authority. For that reason they set up America’s Cup Race Management (ACRM) that is in charge of organizing the on-the-water aspects of the event while America’s Cup Event Authority was charged with running the commercial and financial part of the event.
Both bodies were supposed to be independent from the defending yacht club, GGYC, and its team, Oracle Team USA, but reality turned out to be different from Oracle’s promises, especially in the case of ACEA as its CEO, Stephen Barclay, until his appointment was the COO of Oracle Team. We always thought it would be impossible for Barclay to turn against his own team and the details of yesterday’s Jury decision make it blatantly clear that ACEA and its CEO are in reality an extension of the Defender. Again, there is nothing wrong about that, it’s the essence of the America’s Cup, but it flies into the face of countless promises made in the last four years.
When, in early July, Luna Rossa filed a protest against Regatta Director Iain Murray for unilaterally modifying the AC72 class rules, ACEA thought the most burning issue in the world’s oldest sports trophy wasn’t the ludicrous number of challengers, the scant local interest or the lack of media attention but the fact Luna Rossa hadn’t attended the opening Louis Vuitton Cup party. For that reason they protested Luna Rossa to the Jury, arguing, among other, that“refusal to participate in these Special Events has caused ACEA, Louis Vuitton, the other Competitors, the 34th America’s Cup and potentially the future America’s Cups to come to significant and possibly irreparable harm.”
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It seems that allegations of illegal modifications to a boat matter much less than failing to attend a party. Photo copyright Gilles Martin-Raget

Reading that argument one would think the New Zealander would be outraged by the potential damage to the image of the event caused by the allegations that surfaced in August that Oracle Team USA had illegally modified one of their AC45 yachts in 2012 and 2013. However, the details of the Jury’s decision on the case are stunning. According to ACEA, “the public response to OTUSA’s conduct has been negligible” and that “provided there is no generally perceived issue of corruption in the sport, OTUSA’s conduct should have no measurable impact on the future commercial interests of the America’s Cup or other rights holders in sailing.”
It is extremely hard to understand how a non-incident, such as the failure to participate in a party, which by the way was only reported in the mainstream media of Francisco and Auckland can cause “significant and possibly irreparable harm” to the America’s Cup while a cheating allegation that had extensive coverage through the main news agencies of the world has no “measurable impact.” Double standards?

 

good points/comments Blakie - cheers 



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 06:36 AM

Report indicates Oracle's penalty was lightSan Francisco Chronicle (blog)

In the report it issued Tuesday,
 
the jury of the International Sailing Federation
indicated it considered throwing Oracle out of the America's Cup regatta for the ...
 
isaf ij still can and they should have WTF-


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 08:26 AM

^ I think it is quite safe to assume that Oracle would have been thrown out if there had been multiple defenders. 

 

The damage to the sports and sponsors if the AC34 didn't go ahead might actually have saved ORTUSA  :huh:



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 08:36 AM

reeks of corruption



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:19 PM

Tragedy, Controversy, And A $7 Million Cost For SF: America's Cup ...Bay City News

The America's Cup Finals begin in San Francisco on Saturday, and city and team officials are hoping that the races themselves will finally take center stage ...
The San Francisco Appeal | SF Appeal: San Francisco's Online Newspaper


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 06:41 AM

America's Cup - Why is anyone surprised at charges of cheating?Sail World

It caused the New York Yacht Club to hold an enquiry... which took the form of a kangaroo trial against Dunraven in order to exonerate its actions.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 05:57 PM

At troubled America's Cup regatta, mastermind Ellison a no-showReuters

Sept 7 (Reuters) - This year's America's Cup sailing competition could well be called the Larry Ellison show.
The billionaire founder of Oracle Corp, who won the ...


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:23 PM

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit?

Who was the money guy?

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup?



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:59 AM

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit?

Who was the money guy?

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup?

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit? I cant discuss it - I dont really know exactly [proof] anyway 

Who was the money guy? see above

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup? when they win and want to invite our  team under d.o.g.

 

cheers 


America's Cup: Oracle Drops Three of Four Races -- But "Banned" Sailor Is Allowed On Boat

 
By Joe Eskenazi Sun., Sep. 8 2013 at 3:59 PM
Categories: America's Cup
 
 
Mitchell_screencap-thumb-333x253.jpg Thar he goes... By the tortured standards of the America's Cup, it really wasn't all that bad of a weekend. Sure, host Oracle Team USA dropped three of the four races -- but the weather was nice, no one got hurt, and the team wasn't nailed in yet anothercheating scandal
 
That last one wasn't a given. Sharp-eyed sailing fans noticed Matt Mitchell aboard Oracle's yacht on Saturday, when the home side dropped the opening two races to Emirates Team New Zealand. And that was odd because, per the America's Cup International Jury, Mitchell is "excluded from sailing on a Yacht competing in the Match for the 34th America's Cup until 4 races have been completed" for his part in a scheme to illegally add weight to Oracle catamarans. 
 
As the image accompanying this story indicates, Mitchell was hardly disguised. So, what gives? Well, according to members of the International Jury and Team Oracle, this is all kosher. It's yet another bit of legalistic nuance in a sport drowning in legalistic nuance. 
 
 
Mitchell can clearly be seen in the above video at the 44:30 mark. Considering the healthy clip the boat is traveling, under its own power, it certainly seems that he's "sailing on a Yacht competing in the Match for the 34th America's Cup." 
 
But the distinction here comes in the word "competing." Mitchell hopped on the boat between races to do maintenance work. Parsing the term, he's not on a boat that's "competing."  
 
"Matty is not permitted to sail on the yacht while it is competing in the match (during racing) for the first four races. He was therefore not onboard during the racing," explained Oracle Racing CEO Sir Russell Coutts via e-mail. "He is not excluded from performing other duties for the team (for example helping to prepare the boat and sails)." 
 
Oracle did not run this interpretation of the ruling by the International Jury. So, fortunately for the home side, the jury buys it.
 
It's "OK to sail on the boat between races because that yacht is not 'competing in the Match for the 34th America's Cup' at that time," wrote Bryan Willis, one of the jury's five members.   
 
He adds that this "wasn't 'cleared' but it is permissible." 
 
So Team Oracle's got that going for them -- which is nice. And, with four races in the can, Mitchell's racing ban has lapsed. The team could use him: Factoring in the two-race penalty imposed following the cheating scandal, Oracle essentially trails the series, 5-1, with the first team to notch 11 wins emerging victorious.  


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 06:32 PM

Mahguah----

I looked through the last couple of pages and did not find the answer to who was paying ADM bills.

Again who was paying ADM legal bills?  If you know?

 

You've been doing a bang up job keeping us informed of any breeches that might have occurred in this cup and the last.

That Mitchell transgression is so typical of entitlement.

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit?

Who was the money guy?

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup?

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit? I cant discuss it - I dont really know exactly [proof] anyway 

Who was the money guy? see above

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup? when they win and want to invite our  team under d.o.g.

 

cheers 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:11 AM

Mahguah----

I looked through the last couple of pages and did not find the answer to who was paying ADM bills.

Again who was paying ADM legal bills?  If you know?

 

You've been doing a bang up job keeping us informed of any breeches that might have occurred in this cup and the last.

That Mitchell transgression is so typical of entitlement.

 


So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit?

Who was the money guy?

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup?

So mahguah-

 

who was behind that ADM suit? I cant discuss it - I dont really know exactly [proof] anyway 

Who was the money guy? see above

 

are you going to NZ for the next cup? when they win and want to invite our  team under d.o.g.

 

cheers 

its going to get serious very soon on a few fronts 

 

cheers 

 

 

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Oh, to be a fly on the wall for this little post race chat between Jimmy Spithill and Russell Coutts.
 
How do you think that started? Russell: “What in the holy fuck was 


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:10 PM

evilsin and ehman must have hired pro arsonist - :lol:

 

 

Firefighters Unable To Determine Cause Of America's Cup Village Fire

San Francisco fire investigators have not able to determine the cause of a small blaze that damaged a broadcast booth and bleachers at the America's Cup ...


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Posted 14 September 2013 - 07:01 PM

Yachting: Rumours swirl over Coutts' sailing futureNew Zealand Herald

It now seems more than likely that Russell Coutts may be absent from the next America's Cup. There have been strong whispers for some time that Coutts - even ...


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:52 PM

Halsey C. Herreshoff: Why America will lose the America's Cup for ...The Providence Journal

A good dictionary definition of the word lose is “to be deprived of, or cease to have, especially by negligence or misadventure.” This perfectly fits the case of the ...


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:54 PM

//\\ HH HAS IT RIGHT ON

 

''Before the 1983 loss, 80 years of victories made America so complacent that the New York Yacht Club did not even bother to send a representative to Australia in the 1982-83 winter to learn of the winged keel breakthrough in yacht design, a fateful change that led to America’s defeat.

In 2013, hubris has again reared its ugly head. The Americans were the favorites to win the Cup this year, given their success in a multihull in their America’s Cup victory of 2010, in Valencia, Spain. The Americans held all the cards in designing this year’s amazingly bold and expensive series. (A host designs races in its favor, a strong America’s Cup tradition.)

But the Americans made some serious errors. For starters, it was a dreadful competitive mistake to have the 45-foot catamaran prototypes built in Auckland, thus handing a fantastic learning experience to New Zealanders, the expected 2013 Cup challengers, giving them special insights into the nature of these revolutionary boats.

It was another mistake for Oracle to skip competitive races leading up to the Cup. While the Louis Vuitton elimination series for the challengers became a farce this year, with only a pair of weak competitors against strong New Zealanders, the New Zealand yacht used the series to enhance its training and perfect its efficiency.



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:46 PM

//\\ HH HAS IT RIGHT ON

 

''Before the 1983 loss, 80 years of victories made America so complacent that the New York Yacht Club did not even bother to send a representative to Australia in the 1982-83 winter to learn of the winged keel breakthrough in yacht design, a fateful change that led to America’s defeat.

In 2013, hubris has again reared its ugly head. The Americans were the favorites to win the Cup this year, given their success in a multihull in their America’s Cup victory of 2010, in Valencia, Spain. The Americans held all the cards in designing this year’s amazingly bold and expensive series. (A host designs races in its favor, a strong America’s Cup tradition.)

But the Americans made some serious errors. For starters, it was a dreadful competitive mistake to have the 45-foot catamaran prototypes built in Auckland, thus handing a fantastic learning experience to New Zealanders, the expected 2013 Cup challengers, giving them special insights into the nature of these revolutionary boats.

It was another mistake for Oracle to skip competitive races leading up to the Cup. While the Louis Vuitton elimination series for the challengers became a farce this year, with only a pair of weak competitors against strong New Zealanders, the New Zealand yacht used the series to enhance its training and perfect its efficiency.

Talk about a load of uninformed rubbish. ETNZ didn't gain very much from the AC45's. Their big gain was the testing on the SL33's they had, which were far better suited to the development they needed to do. It was on them that ETNZ learnt about boat handling, trialled wing options and, most importantly, learnt to fly. I would also love to understand how OR was expected to do competitive racing before the Cup. They did as much as they could with the 2 boats they had, but there was no credible team to race against and the challengers weren't going to let them playwith them.

 

So, overall, the key ideas of this article are simply wrong. Rather apt that it should appear on this thread. BTW, MSP, how are all your legal challenges going? I missed all the promised ones that were going to stop the Cup from taking place in SF. I missed all the ones against LE and his team for breach of fiduciary duty. And how is your Americas Cup trust going? Made a huge impact on the whole Americas Cup scene, hasn't it.



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:15 PM


 

//\\ HH HAS IT RIGHT ON

 

''Before the 1983 loss, 80 years of victories made America so complacent that the New York Yacht Club did not even bother to send a representative to Australia in the 1982-83 winter to learn of the winged keel breakthrough in yacht design, a fateful change that led to America’s defeat.

In 2013, hubris has again reared its ugly head. The Americans were the favorites to win the Cup this year, given their success in a multihull in their America’s Cup victory of 2010, in Valencia, Spain. The Americans held all the cards in designing this year’s amazingly bold and expensive series. (A host designs races in its favor, a strong America’s Cup tradition.)

But the Americans made some serious errors. For starters, it was a dreadful competitive mistake to have the 45-foot catamaran prototypes built in Auckland, thus handing a fantastic learning experience to New Zealanders, the expected 2013 Cup challengers, giving them special insights into the nature of these revolutionary boats.

It was another mistake for Oracle to skip competitive races leading up to the Cup. While the Louis Vuitton elimination series for the challengers became a farce this year, with only a pair of weak competitors against strong New Zealanders, the New Zealand yacht used the series to enhance its training and perfect its efficiency.

Talk about a load of uninformed rubbish. ETNZ didn't gain very much from the AC45's. Their big gain was the testing on the SL33's they had, which were far better suited to the development they needed to do. It was on them that ETNZ learnt about boat handling, trialled wing options and, most importantly, learnt to fly. I would also love to understand how OR was expected to do competitive racing before the Cup. They did as much as they could with the 2 boats they had, but there was no credible team to race against and the challengers weren't going to let them playwith them.

 

So, overall, the key ideas of this article are simply wrong. Rather apt that it should appear on this thread. BTW, MSP, how are all your legal challenges going? I missed all the promised ones that were going to stop the Cup from taking place in SF. I missed all the ones against LE and his team for breach of fiduciary duty. And how is your Americas Cup trust going? Made a huge impact on the whole Americas Cup scene, hasn't it.

 simion n

 

you arent paying attention I posted latest ''public'' doc already -here again just for cause your so special  :lol:

 

so thats how it is going , read docs posted 

 

and see -its still in administrative process which have to be exhausted before any court action / litigation 

 

so have another swig of whiskey 

 

cheers 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:07 AM

I am confused. That letter is dated July. We are now in September. The event is well under way. It's too late to stop it.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:35 PM

Larry Ellison's Oracle Team USA Faces America's Cup DefeatTIME
Emirates Team New Zealand sails during their win against Oracle Team USA in Race 9 of the 34thAmerica's Cup yacht sailing race in San Francisco, California ...


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:20 PM

Why the NY Yacht Club Bowed OutWall Street Journal

We'll watch from the sidelines,'" said Tom Ehman, the vice commodore of theGolden Gate Yacht Club, who doubles as a member of the New York Yacht Club.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 09:50 PM

Bump :)