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[punter]

No license plate on the Maserati? And the BMW, a rather moderate model.

Think this will explain: http://abcnews.go.co...08#.T-f2-hce7cw

[~Stingray~]

at http://www.cityofala...doc.cfm?id=8683
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Date: June 25, 2012

Re: A Public Hearing to Consider a Use Permit for Outdoor Maritime Facilities and Floating Docks at the Seaplane Lagoon at Alameda Point

BACKGROUND:

The applicant, Artemis Racing Team, is requesting an interim use permit to construct and operate a temporary floating dock in the Seaplane Lagoon, a temporary crane and associated maritime facilities on the taxiway adjacent to the Seaplane Lagoon at Alameda Point.
The Artemis Racing Team is in need of facilities to support their vessels, crew and staff during the run-up to the upcoming America’s Cup races to be held in San Francisco Bay. The Artemis Racing Team has signed a lease with the City for the use of Hanger 12 at Alameda Point, which they will use for office space and racing yacht maintenance. Use of Hanger 12 for these types of activities is permitted under the Master Use Permit for Alameda Point. However, the use of the taxiways in front of the Seaplane Hangers and the use of the water areas for floating docks are not covered by the Master Use Permit for Alameda Point. Pursuant to the Master Use Permit, use of the taxiways for outdoor activities and/or use of the water for floating docks require a project specific use permit.

ANALYSIS:
The Artemis Racing Team (“the applicant”) is proposing to place temporary floating docks in the Seaplane Lagoon in the area immediately in front of Hanger 39. On the taxiway, immediately adjacent to the floating docks, the applicant is proposing to construct a temporary security fence and gate to restrict access to the floating docks and place a portable crane and portable storage facilities for the purpose of maintaining and moving the racing yachts from the taxiway to the water.

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[~Stingray~]

America's Cup team gets okay for additions to Alameda Point home

Michele EllsonTuesday, June 26, 2012 - 00:05

America's Cup challenger Artemis Racing got the Planning Board's okay Monday night to build floating docks in Seaplane Lagoon and to plant a crane capable of reaching 160 feet on an adjacent taxiway.

The team is slated to call Alameda Point's Hangar 12 home through March 31, 2013 – longer if America's Cup organizers don't require them to move to San Francisco in advance of the summer 2013 Cup races – and will need to make the changes before moving in.

The docks will sit astride 45-foot and 72-foot catamarans that will split their time between the water and Hangar 12, with the crane on hand to lift the vessels out of the water to be rolled back into the hangar when they're not in use. The hangar sits near the Bladium sports club.

Planning Board member John Knox White amended the permit the board ultimately approved on an unusually speedy 5-0 vote Monday to make it easier for Artemis to extend it should they decide to remain in Alameda. The team can go to the city's zoning administrator for that approval, instead of returning to the Planning Board.

"I'll just go on record to say that we would like to stay. It's our intention to stay," said Bill Erkelens, an Artemis Racing representative.

The team plans to construct a security gate and fence in addition to the temporary docks and the crane, a report detailing the plans presented to the board on Monday said. Hangar 12 will be home to between 12 and 55 Artemis crewmembers during the team's time there, it said.

City staff determined that the team's docks would be far enough away from the Point's California Least Tern colony to avoid any impacts to the colony. And the facilities and floating dock will be moved incrementally to remain clear of the Navy's ongoing environmental cleanup efforts in the area.

Members of the city's ad hoc America's Cup committee voiced support for the team's request, and city staff recommended approval of the plans. And Planning Services Manager Andrew Thomas said other America's Cup teams could construct similar setups at the Point.

"As long as they're willing to live with these same conditions, we could use this use permit for other teams, or other boating uses," said Thomas, who welcomed the team to Alameda immediately following the vote.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS]

Americas Cup team will build additions to Alameda Point home
San Francisco Chronicle (blog)
Artemis Racing America's Cup challenger Artemis Racing got the Planning Board's okay Monday night to build some additions to the team's Alameda Point ...


new spin -- post fire sale

[Monster Mash]

Americas Cup team will build additions to Alameda Point home
San Francisco Chronicle (blog)
Artemis Racing America's Cup challenger Artemis Racing got the Planning Board's okay Monday night to build some additions to the team's Alameda Point ...


new spin -- post fire sale

Go away

[valenciasailing]

Can anyone read the numbers? I can't understand whether they are in feet or meters:

[~Stingray~]

Can anyone read the numbers? I can't understand whether they are in feet or meters:

Can't read them either on my screen but the little boat is likely to scale, and an AC45'.

That tri is ~probably~ the Artemis Orma; or maybe scaled to be 72' for the diagram.

Either way, they are going to be using a ~lot~ of space for their operation. Good location they chose.

Some goof-ball fun from way-back, it at least gives a sense for the sea plane lagoon is relative to SF. And the AC bases are to scale, as found in Valencia.



edit, fwiw.. another:

[Xlot]

Any news on their latest protest/clarification request? Has it come before the IJ yet and what was it about?

[seis]

VSail.info
‏@vsail

Rumor is that Artemis is packing up everything, AC45, AC72 and ORMA60 and leaves Valencia for SF until the end of the Cup

https://twitter.com/...493054908440576

[Alpina]

True, hardly surprising...

[~HHN92~]

True, hardly surprising...

They've been workig on the Alameda facility for a while now, so it makes sense.

But then again, the NYYC with America II were first in Freo too.............

[Monster Mash]

^
The hanger is nice and clean and the sail loft floor appears finished. There is no suppport equipment on site and I don't think there is a clear path to the water yet.

[~HHN92~]

^
The hanger is nice and clean and the sail loft floor appears finished. There is no suppport equipment on site and I don't think there is a clear path to the water yet.

I wonder if some of that will come with the boats and the rest of the gear?

[~Stingray~]

A link to Sagunto, where there are currently 3 container ships in port
http://marinetraffic...9.65015&zoom=14

Ships currently in port:
Smarty
http://marinetraffic...000&header=true

Hidalga
http://marinetraffic...800&header=true

Renate P
http://marinetraffic...000&header=true

They (or someone else who shows up, or maybe they will ship out of Valencia?) may depart soon, in which case perhaps we'll spot it and be able to see its new destination.

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VSail.info
‏@vsail

Rumor is that Artemis is packing up everything, AC45, AC72 and ORMA60 and leaves Valencia for SF until the end of the Cup

https://twitter.com/...493054908440576

What happens to their wing building (rebuilding) facility? Or are they giving up on those guys?

[Monster Mash]

Artemis to have two crews for SF.

http://www.americasc...-San-Francisco/

[Indio]

Any news on their latest protest/clarification request? Has it come before the IJ yet and what was it about?

Artemis wanted the Jury to review their previous decisions in their (Artemis') and OR's requests for the Jury to "clarify" the ETNZ-LR collaboration. At the time, both camps declared a win.

The Jury's decision effectively tells Artemis to HTFU and move on: protest dismissed, and they'll probably be hit with costs..
 JN041.pdf   432.18K   39 downloads

[eric e]

they'll be hurting if they ask the jury to write-off their wing

not have it count against the limit

and the jury says "no"

kind of surprising they haven't come up with a fail-safe basic wing yet

but i guess they still have lots of time

unlike korean, energy and russia...

[SimonN]

kind of surprising they haven't come up with a fail-safe basic wing yet

You seem to be suggesting that the reason for the failure is that it was a complex wing and not a "fail-safe basic wing". If my information is correct (which I am pretty sure it is), the compexity had nothing to do with the failure. There was a flaw in a main structural element. Whether the mast is super complex of very simple, it still has a main structural element and if that gives way, all the simplicity in the world won't help.

Artemis have already said it would be quicker to repair this wing than start from scratch. As we have all been told, even a simple basic wing like ETNZ's takes 10's of thousands of man hours.

[seis]

Any news on their latest protest/clarification request? Has it come before the IJ yet and what was it about?

Artemis wanted the Jury to review their previous decisions in their (Artemis') and OR's requests for the Jury to "clarify" the ETNZ-LR collaboration. At the time, both camps declared a win.

The Jury's decision effectively tells Artemis to HTFU and move on: protest dismissed, and they'll probably be hit with costs..
 JN041.pdf   432.18K   39 downloads

The Jury accepted the request of furter clarification about the sense of any words of the Jury's previous decision:


"8. Artemis Racing in its Application requested the Jury to clarify "certain aspects of the AC11 Decision..." They argued that "the interpretation made in Para 21 [in AC11] can be read as taking the unreasonable position that design and performance information is not observable" and that such an interpretation is not supported by the Protocol "and may not be what the Jury intends"."
...
"32. Artemis Racing in their Application requested an oral hearing. ... The oral hearing will take place prior to the commencement of racing at the next ACWS Regatta in San Francisco. It will be held on Tuesday 21st."

http://noticeboard.a...11/08/JN041.pdf


"12. On 20th July 2012 Melinda Erkelens on behalf of Artemis racing sent an e-mail to the Jury Chairman as follows:
Regarding our phone conversation yesterday, Artemis Racing has thoroughly considered the interim decision issued by the Jury in Case AC13 (Jury Notice JN041).
Again, we would like to emphasize that we believe this case to be an extremely important issue for this America's Cup. We also believe that the arguments in connection with our request for clarification have been comprehensively discussed in the submissions to date, and hence, as explained during the ACWS in Newport, we leave it to the Jury to decide whether an oral hearing would be useful before a decision is issued.
Accordingly, if the Jury is of the view that it already has the information necessary based on the written submissions, then Artemis Racing agrees to waive its right to an oral hearing.
...

15. The oral hearing ordered in Jury Notice JN041 for 21st July 2012 is cancelled. The Artemis Racing request with regard to clarification will be determined on the Responses and Reply documents already filed and any further submissions that may be filed in terms of the following paragraph.
16. As provided for in Jury Notice JN041 Artemis Racing and the other Parties may file submissions in respect of the request for clarification with the Jury via jurycomms@americascup.com by no later than 18h00 UT on 31st July 2012."

http://noticeboard.a...11/08/JN042.pdf

[eric e]

You seem to be suggesting that the reason for the failure is that it was a complex wing and not a "fail-safe basic wing". If my information is correct (which I am pretty sure it is), the compexity had nothing to do with the failure. There was a flaw in a main structural element.

ouch! so all that pain and delay

and all they have learned is they need to take care building these things?

[SimonN]

You seem to be suggesting that the reason for the failure is that it was a complex wing and not a "fail-safe basic wing". If my information is correct (which I am pretty sure it is), the compexity had nothing to do with the failure. There was a flaw in a main structural element.

ouch! so all that pain and delay

and all they have learned is they need to take care building these things?

First off, there are 2 possiblilities as to what went wrong. The first is a construction issue. The other is an engineering issue. The team has kept very quiet about whioch it is, although there are those who are pretty sure they know which it is.

People keep thinking that the Artemis wing failure is a major problem. I really don't think it is. They had already done a fair amount of testing with the wing and they still have another 30 days on the AC72. None of the other teams can achieve the same amount of wing time as Artemis. They ecrtainly have enough data to move their wing design program on, and that was before any of the other teams have launched their AC72 wings.

The delay comes about because they cannot sail their AC72. So what. None of the other teams launched on the earliest date and because of limited time to sail, that time can be caught up. And because of limits on when you can sail the 2nd AC72, all that will happen is that their program is shifted a bit, but not by so much as to cause real trouble. At worst, compared with ETNZ, they have lost maybe 6 weeks of number crunching time on hull design, while they are already months ahead on wing design. Which would you prefer? I think it is pretty safe to assume that in rebuilding the broken wing, they will be incorporating what they have learnt from the initial testing, so when it is ready it will be a version 1.5 or even close to a version 2.

I would also argue that Artemis will manage to gain knowledge from the broken components that they wouldn't get if the wing hadn't broken as you wouldn't destruction test components on a working wing.

I am sure that Artemis would have prefered it if their wing had not broken, but i am also pretty confident that it really isn't that big a blow to the overall campaign and I am sure that in some areas they are still a ahead of others, plus they still have their tri platform to test things on, such as foils. Add to that the fact that they can also "spy" on the likes of ETNZ and learn from them, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the design program at Artemis. Now, the problem of the helm is another matter......

[~Stingray~]

^ I think AR's Adam May was specifically called out by an NZer this weekend, for being a witness/spy to the ETNZ launch. Would be fascinating to see the close-up photos he took, for what that would say about what the most interesting details are to other design teams.

[WetHog]

First off, there are 2 possiblilities as to what went wrong. The first is a construction issue. The other is an engineering issue. The team has kept very quiet about whioch it is, although there are those who are pretty sure they know which it is.

People keep thinking that the Artemis wing failure is a major problem. I really don't think it is. They had already done a fair amount of testing with the wing and they still have another 30 days on the AC72. None of the other teams can achieve the same amount of wing time as Artemis. They ecrtainly have enough data to move their wing design program on, and that was before any of the other teams have launched their AC72 wings.

The delay comes about because they cannot sail their AC72. So what. None of the other teams launched on the earliest date and because of limited time to sail, that time can be caught up. And because of limits on when you can sail the 2nd AC72, all that will happen is that their program is shifted a bit, but not by so much as to cause real trouble. At worst, compared with ETNZ, they have lost maybe 6 weeks of number crunching time on hull design, while they are already months ahead on wing design. Which would you prefer? I think it is pretty safe to assume that in rebuilding the broken wing, they will be incorporating what they have learnt from the initial testing, so when it is ready it will be a version 1.5 or even close to a version 2.

I would also argue that Artemis will manage to gain knowledge from the broken components that they wouldn't get if the wing hadn't broken as you wouldn't destruction test components on a working wing.

I am sure that Artemis would have prefered it if their wing had not broken, but i am also pretty confident that it really isn't that big a blow to the overall campaign and I am sure that in some areas they are still a ahead of others, plus they still have their tri platform to test things on, such as foils. Add to that the fact that they can also "spy" on the likes of ETNZ and learn from them, I wouldn't be overly concerned about the design program at Artemis. Now, the problem of the helm is another matter......

None of the other teams have as much wing time as AR? OR actually won the Cup with a boat that had a very huge wing on it. Me thinks that knowledge/experience will translate to their AC72 wing program.

As for your helm comment, my boy Casper did pretty good in the match racing part of the ACWS. And last time I checked the AC is contested by match racing. Don't sell my fellow Naptown boy short just yet.

WetHog

[~Stingray~]

Don't yet have a good feel for the LR helms (both are bright, obviously) but I put TH up there with JS and DB, easily at very-high-IQ level.

TH would be very hard to replace, IMO..

[SimonN]

^ I think AR's Adam May was specifically called out by an NZer this weekend, for being a witness/spy to the ETNZ launch. Would be fascinating to see the close-up photos he took, for what that would say about what the most interesting details are to other design teams.

So that's why Adam is in the Southern Hemisphere. I would never have guessed

[SimonN]

None of the other teams have as much wing time as AR? OR actually won the Cup with a boat that had a very huge wing on it. Me thinks that knowledge/experience will translate to their AC72 wing program.

But they haven't sailed with an AC72 wing, which is a whole different ball game. They will be very different wings. The DZ wing is the most basic wing you can build, being 2 element, no slot control, no twist to the front element (yes, in theory you can build a 1 piece wing, but lets stay real!). In terms of the AC72, the only team that has relevent real time aerodynamic data to date is Artemis.

I have said that I do believe that OR do have an advantage over all other teams because of the DZ wing, but it is not in the aerodynamics. It is in the engineering, the understanding of the loads. They ahve this because they not only have the design and real life data from DZ, but they also have it from the AC45's. They therefore have a pretty good idea what the scaling effects are. This puts them well ahead of the others. I expect the OR wing to be the best engineered, best built of the lot.

As for your helm comment, my boy Casper did pretty good in the match racing part of the ACWS. And last time I checked the AC is contested by match racing. Don't sell my fellow Naptown boy short just yet.

WetHog

Hutch is fine until it gets windy and has shown he is very good at match racing cats in light to medium breeze. He has also shown, time and again, that he makes big mistakes when the wind is up. Those mistakes are exactly what one might expect from somebody coming from mono leadmines who hasn't developed a natural feel for these boats. We have not seen the same mistakes from JS or DB, while the younger generation are doing well becasue it is all natural to them. I have serious doubts about Hutch at the helm of an AC72 in the breeze we expect in SF. It will be interesting to see how he goes in an AC45 there and I suspect that the reason why Artemis are fielding a second boat is because they have concerns about Hutch. If it's windy, my money would be on Hutch not being the top Artemis boat.

[~Stingray~]

^^ So then.. Contact Adam and ask what the juciest details are?

[WetHog]

Hutch is fine until it gets windy and has shown he is very good at match racing cats in light to medium breeze. He has also shown, time and again, that he makes big mistakes when the wind is up. Those mistakes are exactly what one might expect from somebody coming from mono leadmines who hasn't developed a natural feel for these boats. We have not seen the same mistakes from JS or DB, while the younger generation are doing well becasue it is all natural to them. I have serious doubts about Hutch at the helm of an AC72 in the breeze we expect in SF. It will be interesting to see how he goes in an AC45 there and I suspect that the reason why Artemis are fielding a second boat is because they have concerns about Hutch. If it's windy, my money would be on Hutch not being the top Artemis boat.

I will defer to you who has way more experience and knowledge on the subject, but Casper has had success in match racing in a Cat, so there is hope. I would also suggest that the huge unknown that is the power that the 72's will generate in a SF breeze could level the playing field for all the crews. Casper could make gains in the breeze while other helsman are also getting their mind around their 72's. Meh, I will try better next time TH.

To your comments about OR and their wings, thats what I was hinting at when I brought up OR's USA-17 experience. Although basic, 17's wing was used in a contested Cup match and it didn't break. Where as AR put up their 1st 72 wing and it broke.

WetHog

[~Stingray~]

Too lazy to look it up myself, and wondering the timetable for a bunch of notables headed to SF:

When does Olympic sailing conclude?

[WetHog]

Too lazy to look it up myself, and wondering the timetable for a bunch of notables headed to SF:

When does Olympic sailing conclude?

August 11 is the date for the last gold medal to be awarded in sailing, according to SI.com.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/2012/sailing/#August05

August 5 for the Men's Finn - One Person Dinghy (Heavyweight) Final, and the last Men's event is over the 9th.

WetHog

[~Stingray~]

perfect - thnx!

[SW Sailor]

Too lazy to look it up myself, and wondering the timetable for a bunch of notables headed to SF:

When does Olympic sailing conclude?

Heard from a reliable source that BA will show up on 8-17.

[SW Sailor]

^^ So then.. Contact Adam and ask what the juciest details are?

Who says I am not in contact with Adam. As I am sure you are well aware, unfortunately, the only way I get the really juicy stuff is to agree not to post everything I am told. I really am very careful with what I say but I will post whatever I can.

I put my personal interest in the cup and all potentially sensitive information well above what I post here, and those that do share important insight know it won't be broadcast here given the people that comb the forum looking for just such information, along with lurkers that seek to learn who is leaking sensitive information.

The more you know the more you realize just how much speculative nonsense is actually posted here, although their are very knowledgeable posters on specific technical issues.

[bruno]

My money is on Morgan as final helm in SF next year.

[Indio]

My money is on Morgan as final helm in SF next year.

Morgan Fairchild?!? Now that would be sailing cougar heaven..

[bruno]

morgan the cougar

[SW Sailor]

My money is on Morgan as final helm in SF next year.

Is he still with Artemis ?

[DogBalls]

My money is on Morgan as final helm in SF next year.

Is he still with Artemis ?

No
http://www.americascup.com/en/Teams/Artemis-Racing/Team-Members/

[~Stingray~]

^ Morgan who?

Anyway, I expect Santiago L will be on the helm of either AR Red or AR White come SF.

[SW Sailor]

Morgan Larson - Oman Air ESS helm.

[~Stingray~]

^ Thanks, had no idea he was being considered. We saw a rumor about one of the Hagara brothers too.

edit: rumor was Roman H, in the OP

[bluesea]

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

[~Stingray~]

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

McMillan must be a hot prospect too, and Cammas

[thetruth]

Ahead of someone like Brady? Why?

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

[bluesea]

Ahead of someone like Brady? Why?

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

Not ahead of, but for sure there's more talent out there than available tillers. Additionally I think RC has shown in the last ACWS, that post AC match race mono-heeler drivers *can* adapt to and win with multihulls. It might even be said that match racing experience might be the feather that can tip the iceberg. I would bet on Larson or Brady before Cammas.

[sunseeker]

Ahead of someone like Brady? Why?

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

Not ahead of, but for sure there's more talent out there than available tillers. Additionally I think RC has shown in the last ACWS, that post AC match race mono-heeler drivers *can* adapt to and win with multihulls. It might even be said that match racing experience might be the feather that can tip the iceberg. I would bet on Larson or Brady before Cammas.

Coutts sailed a relatively small cat in relatively light air as compared to what is going to happen in San Fran. Match racing experience isn't going to mean shit when the 72's hit the water it is all going to be about boat handling. Cammas should be on anyone's list.

[bluesea]

Ahead of someone like Brady? Why?

I'd expect Morgan will be picked up by a team sooner than later.

Not ahead of, but for sure there's more talent out there than available tillers. Additionally I think RC has shown in the last ACWS, that post AC match race mono-heeler drivers *can* adapt to and win with multihulls. It might even be said that match racing experience might be the feather that can tip the iceberg. I would bet on Larson or Brady before Cammas.

Coutts sailed a relatively small cat in relatively light air as compared to what is going to happen in San Fran. Match racing experience isn't going to mean shit when the 72's hit the water it is all going to be about boat handling. Cammas should be on anyone's list.

In terms of boat handling the current AC45 fleet is either up to speed, or in a position to come up to speed for San Francisco conditions. Whatever challenges the AC72 will offer, they will adapt. Disaster is possible, but that's the underlying characteristic of this AC. Accept it, live with it. They have.

[sunseeker]

In terms of boat handling the current AC45 fleet is either up to speed, or in a position to come up to speed for San Francisco conditions. Whatever challenges the AC72 will offer, they will adapt. Disaster is possible, but that's the underlying characteristic of this AC. Accept it, live with it. They have.

The truth is that coutts is hoping for alot of crashes that is what will keep red bull happy.

[insider]

My money is on Morgan as final helm in SF next year.

Is he still with Artemis ?

No
http://www.americasc...g/Team-Members/

Yes he is:


RC44 teams

[SW Sailor]

I think the reference was to the ACWS/AC, but thanks for the update.

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Artemis Red vs Artemis White


Alright!!! Welcome Artemis Racing to SF Bay! Now we've got 4 AC45's out here - getting crowded!


http://twitter.com/americascup

[~Stingray~]

Alright!!! Welcome Artemis Racing to SF Bay! Now we've got 4 AC45's out here - getting crowded!


http://twitter.com/americascup

+10 Cool to see the first of Challengers rip up the Bay!

[Monster Mash]

Must have launched out of P80.
I was at the Alameda base yesterday and everything was locked up. Not even a dock or crane on site then.

[~Stingray~]

Would be very cool to have a P80 web cam starting soon.

[K38BOB]

Artemis Red vs Artemis White


Alright!!! Welcome Artemis Racing to SF Bay! Now we've got 4 AC45's out here - getting crowded!

http://twitter.com/americascup

ORTUSA has 4

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Artemis Red vs Artemis White


Alright!!! Welcome Artemis Racing to SF Bay! Now we've got 4 AC45's out here - getting crowded!

http://twitter.com/americascup

ORTUSA has 4

But only two real ones - the 3rd and 4th only exist as Photoshop output!

Someone prove me wrong




A 72 will look just like this - 12 up

[GauchoGreg]

Checked in on the St Francis cam yesterday, and I caught a glimpse of one of their wings right before they went behind one of the pier buildings, didn't have time to check back later, and I thought it might have been Artemis, but could not see enough of it before it went out of sight. Very cool, it will start getting busy, it sounds. Were the Artemis boats with all the other boats on the train? Do all the teams now have access to their boats?

[GauchoGreg]

Do we know who is driving Boat#2?

[K38BOB]

Do we know who is driving Boat#2?

lange iirc

[flotsam66]

Must have launched out of P80.
I was at the Alameda base yesterday and everything was locked up. Not even a dock or crane on site then.

Nope, from Alameda... they are swinging on the moorings in the seaplane lagoon this AM

[~Stingray~]

From at the AC.com link,
--

"We saw the defender go by with their foiling boards today, so that was pretty interesting to see."

Hutchinson also said the Artemis Racing AC72 is in transit to San Francisco but it was too early to give an indication of a possible launch date.

--

[Dyneema_forever]

From at the AC.com link,
--

"We saw the defender go by with their foiling boards today, so that was pretty interesting to see."

Hutchinson also said the Artemis Racing AC72 is in transit to San Francisco but it was too early to give an indication of a possible launch date.

--

Wonder if he took some pics? Photoshopped and everything

[SW Sailor]

From at the AC.com link,
--

"We saw the defender go by with their foiling boards today, so that was pretty interesting to see."

Hutchinson also said the Artemis Racing AC72 is in transit to San Francisco but it was too early to give an indication of a possible launch date.

--

Wonder if he took some pics? Photoshopped and everything

Photo shopping the foils is pretty easy, it's getting the "launch wave" just right that's tricky.

[GauchoGreg]

From at the AC.com link,
--

"We saw the defender go by with their foiling boards today, so that was pretty interesting to see."

Hutchinson also said the Artemis Racing AC72 is in transit to San Francisco but it was too early to give an indication of a possible launch date.

--

Wonder if he took some pics? Photoshopped and everything

Photo shopping the foils is pretty easy, it's getting the "launch wave" just right that's tricky.

My thoughts! At least the photogs in SFO have more chop to work with than those guys in Sardinia had for the LR fake-foiling. Those guys had to be really patient to get so many good shots.

[SW Sailor]

From at the AC.com link,
--

"We saw the defender go by with their foiling boards today, so that was pretty interesting to see."

Hutchinson also said the Artemis Racing AC72 is in transit to San Francisco but it was too early to give an indication of a possible launch date.

--

Wonder if he took some pics? Photoshopped and everything

Photo shopping the foils is pretty easy, it's getting the "launch wave" just right that's tricky.

My thoughts! At least the photogs in SFO have more chop to work with than those guys in Sardinia had for the LR fake-foiling. Those guys had to be really patient to get so many good shots.

Actually it's probably childs play if you have a Google browser that can easily penetrate secure servers

[GauchoGreg]

The two AR boats are out playing around the Golden Gate right now. check out the St. Francis cam. I have control.

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The two AR boats are out playing around the Golden Gate right now. check out the St. Francis cam. I have control.

Sweet - I see Red! (and i have control!) http://207.150.197.186/

[~Stingray~]

I like how the difference between the AR White and AR Red is only (?) the Artemis graphic on the wing. Subtle yet still clear.

[Monster Mash]

They left Alameda 1:30 ish. One was towed out, the other sailed out making many tacks in the process. A red photo rib from another site was taking pics so expect to see them posted later today over there. All happened with little fanfair, you can tell this is not their first rodeo.

[SW Sailor]

Let's hope the long term breeding patterns, migratory paths and future of all the indigenous birds haven't been totally disrupted by a couple extra cats sailing around.

Oh that's right, we have Peshkins $150,000 study (that cost $75,000) to let us know how disruptive this will be.

I wonder if any such study was done before the massive windmill farms in Livermore were built.

[fubaru]

I wonder if any such study was done before the massive windmill farms in Livermore were built.

the windmill farms were determined to have an acceptably small impact on the seals' breeding grounds on Alcatraz

[the paradox of thrift]

Everyone else seems to have an AC72 on the water or in the shed. What's going on with Artemis?

It's been quiet - too quiet.

[~Stingray~]

^ Last news I saw was that the AR72 was already on a ship to SF. It said nothing about the ETA or if the wing (in whatever state it is in now) is also on board.

KL had a piece a couple days back in Sail Magazine, undated but could be current, saying their launch date target is October.

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Here ya go.....Artemis Racing ‏@ArtemisRacing
Proud to say our AC72 arrived at 4am this morning!

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[Alpina]

It was in the water for awhile...

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[GauchoGreg]

Nice to have someone Jonnie-on-the-Spot with camera in hand. Tough for them to keep us from getting a little look up her skirt. Little less rocker than ETNZ. More conventional looking platform/crossbeams, too?

[~Stingray~]

It was in the water for awhile...

It looks fantastic!

These photos are from yesterday, as I'm sure you know, and are of its arrivial at P80

[GauchoGreg]

Fake rudders?

The crashed wing would have looked REALLY sexy on that.

[GauchoGreg]

Stern scoops consistent with the AC45s, compared to the lopped off ETNZ variety.

[Alpina]

It was in the water for awhile...

It looks fantastic!

These photos are from yesterday, as I'm sure you know, and are of its arrivial at P80

Yes I know, but I was talking about what happened a couple of hours ago

[Xlot]

It was in the water for awhile...

It looks fantastic!

These photos are from yesterday, as I'm sure you know, and are of its arrivial at P80

Yes I know, but I was talking about what happened a couple of hours ago

Who took the pictures and what happened a couple of hours ago, please? Arrival at P80?

[Mariner]

why arrival at Pier 80???

[Alpina]

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[Xlot]

Spray rails are a first.

Notice the huge wind turbine blades aft on the ship?

[GauchoGreg]

VERRRRY cool looking boat. Dig the spray rails between the "T" and "S" in Artemis.

[Mariner]

so Artemis didn't see an issue with distration from the ACWS SF event the same way Oracle did. Splash at 80 tow over to Alameda without a word?

She's a beaut though huh? sexy.

Still don't understand why the freighter couldn't drop off at the lagoon in Alameda though???

Hey does anyone think someone will bring their 72 in by chopper??

[Xlot]

For the umpteenth time ... weight is the same

Beginning to suspect ease of tacking (72s are wide boats) over sheer power

[~Stingray~]

^ What is the weight range allowed? Was Pretty tight as I recall it. edit: beaten to it by X

Does Grand Central look both beefy but also nicely up out of the water, compared to NZilla?

Looking forward to a view of between the beams.

[Ncik]

Weight of rig has not been added yet.

[Rohanoz]

Grand Central looks beefy because it's white. Paint it black, and it would look very similar to ETNZ I'd say - but without the extra platform above.

Spray rails look neat, but super draggy - not sure how they got through the brief. If they are there to help keep the bow up, I'd be saying it is too late by then!

No idea where the weight comments are coming from. X is right - tight tolerances there. Appearances mean nothing. The old saying 'whats heavier. A ton of feathers, or a ton of rocks?'

Rocker looks to be more than ETNZ, and more evenly distributed. May make the boat more forgiving, but flatter is faster if it blows and you can sail it.

Not sure what is happening with the low rear beam. A-Cats now have the rear beam higher than the front as there is serious wave pounding back there. Not only a drag issue on these boats, but will be an impact issue as per the Club Med RTW era beams.

Anyway - just another nobodies opinion.

[~Stingray~]

from here, good photo too: http://i.stuff.co.nz...zes-in-training


"Our AC72 is here, will be good to start sailing on the bay," CEO Paul Cayard tweeted on the boat's arrival.

First impressions of the cat's hulls and platform are that it looks heavier that Team NZ's first cat, NZL2, has low freeboard forward of the wingsail, and a lot of rocker in the hulls, looking to generate lift from their daggerboards.

[familysailor]

why arrival at Pier 80???

Oakland Estuary---
Looks like the container depot near the base of the Bay Bridge just across from the way from the Alameda Artemis base.
Probably the closest official point of entry to Artemis' operations.

[Dixie]

^Finally someone gets it right as to the drop off point! I think it was the anchorage area - for ships waiting - just south of the Bay Bridge / Yerba Buena and they were able to crane the 72 off onto the water and a waiting tow vessel. Pretty cool.

[kiwi_jon]

Grand Central looks beefy because it's white. Paint it black, and it would look very similar to ETNZ I'd say - but without the extra platform above.

It's white because it's all wrapped in white plastic. Once that's removed I'll bet it won't look so beefy.

[SW Sailor]

from here, good photo too: http://i.stuff.co.nz...zes-in-training


"Our AC72 is here, will be good to start sailing on the bay," CEO Paul Cayard tweeted on the boat's arrival.

First impressions of the cat's hulls and platform are that it looks heavier that Team NZ's first cat, NZL2, has low freeboard forward of the wingsail, and a lot of rocker in the hulls, looking to generate lift from their daggerboards.

Is the rocker in the hulls to generate lift or facilitate faster tacks ?