So what news of Syd's new ride?
#101
Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:30 AM
#102
Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:09 AM
#103
Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:16 AM
#104
Posted 16 February 2012 - 08:55 AM
What debts did Syd's money pay ( and not pay ) off ? Chances are Grumpy still owes heaps but I have no details.
How about you stump up some details cos your dopey posts make it clear that you know, or pretend to know, even less than I do ? I didn't name ANZ, you did so reveal all or fuck off.
#105
Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:32 AM
#106
Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:33 AM
yes they are two different places, as you say north and south of the bridge (NSW Maritime in 'tween)
what i am saying is that he is involved in BOTH
Two different places, albeit close by. Syd is North of the Bridge while Grumpy and cohorts are South.
at the risk of complicating further:
also involved in both iterations of SCM. The initial 50 mill$ investor backed one that went to receivership, and now also in the current setup
OK I forgot the Machiavellian SH landscape, so......
Rabbits and Son in partnership with the NSW Govt form Super Yacht Aust along with some under employed Super Yachters with the express intention of accessing harbour side crown land.
Rabbit son opens Syd Boathouse on said foreshore land.
Grumpy and Rabbits etc open Syd SY Marina and City Marine, but things dont go well.
City Marine goes under and Vicious buys it for pennies and Grumpy stays on.
The Super yacht Marina including a berth @ Walsh bay without floating pontoon or shore power goes pear shaped as well. Grumpy and the puppet master almost fake Rabbits into forking out 2M when he realises he can wait and buy it from the receiver, minus debts for less. See City Marine above.
Meanwhile different strokes alternates between firing spit balls across the Bay and rolling about on the floor laughing, while old Noaksy turns in his grave.
Around this time Lard and co have taken over the Newcastle docks for their own Super Yacht Marina!! Who'd a thought?
How did I do from a distance?
#107
Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:51 AM
By the way, there isn't a single thing capable of being either cut or pasted which names ANZ as the banker to the boatyard - apart from you.
#108
Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:12 AM
#109
Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:39 AM
He's trolling every forum on the board for a blue.
#110
Posted 16 February 2012 - 11:11 AM
#111
Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:08 PM
See he's deleted his post? He's a fuckin' poof.
#112
Posted 16 February 2012 - 04:33 PM
believe GR has been sold to HK syndicate for China Sea Race.
Admiral Pong gotta another boat for his fleet?
Get real.
Uncle Frank doesn't need/want to syndicate shit.
#113
Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:41 PM
It's the moon mate, it does funny things to Gobby.
See he's deleted his post? He's a fuckin' poof.
gotta love this place....that was some excellent work by brother savvy....the hole just kept getting deeper
#114
Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:14 AM
Sav did have the clown prince of SBA painting himself into a corner
#115
Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:49 AM
I'll bite....
*EDIT* haven't had a good one in a while....
#116
Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:34 AM
#117
Posted 18 February 2012 - 11:30 AM
Sorta like Peyton Place with salt.
#118
Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:20 AM
#119
Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:49 AM
#120
Posted 24 February 2012 - 01:13 PM
bought for 5 - 6 by a Co who has directors who were the original mgt, good news for trading on as they know the business
sav, look for the other prize too, the 'not quite attached' Longitude offices, in the first instance part of SCM, separate lot when offered by the receiver
http://www.commercia...e.com.au/494836 lease 2.2m p.a.
http://www.commercia...e.com.au/494834
#121
Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:08 AM
#122
Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:48 AM
#123
Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:28 AM
#124
Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:09 AM
rumour mill has gone quiet
Indeed Merrill, quite unlike Sydney.
Any news? GR should have arrived in PI by now so results and future ports should be forthcoming?
#125
Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:29 PM
line honours with Syd aboard
imo shes back in HK all tied up
#126
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:22 PM
#127
Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:53 PM
i.e WO is totally re-done before a race/campaign much like a F1 car or top-fueller
I think it will be challenging for corrected assuming that WO is competing, and waiting in the wings (2nd) for line if the opportunity arises
#128
Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:07 AM
Any intel on when GR is heading South?
#129
Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:17 AM
he owns the yard
his record might be unprecedented, what result is not good, 3rd last yr in a shitter
what r u saying ?
#130
Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:03 PM
#131
Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:39 PM
#132
Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:25 AM
Isn't she going to somewhere else in Asia (Singapore?)to race before she comes to Sydney?
Yes expecting her soon, already signed and entered the Samui Regatta end of May,
DoRag ?
#133
Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:35 AM
#134
Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:07 PM
YOu want DoRag to sail with you !!!!! Nooooooooooooooooooo.
No, DoRag is the #1 fan of all overseas regattas.
#135
Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:52 AM
#136
Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:18 AM
#137
Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:34 AM
Syd likes to pay as little as possible and sell for as much as possible. Just like the rest of us I guess.
#138
Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:40 AM
I think he means his record is not good regarding handing over money for required up keep on the boats.
You got it.
#139
Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:47 AM
Is this race ideal for a boat that you describe ?
#140
Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:58 AM
"In CSA 1A, Geoff Hill’s Santa Cruz 72, Antipodes scored its first win of the regatta. Geoff Hill has been to Antigua Sailing Week many times before but, surprisingly, this is the first visit to the Caribbean’s longest running regatta for the true Australian sailing legend. At 85 years of age, Syd Fischer is probably the oldest competitor at Antigua Sailing Week. Syd shares a record of five America’s Cup challenges and has won just about every classic yacht race going, including the Fastnet and the Sydney Hobart Race, which Fischer has competed in on 40 occasions.
‘It’s a long flight to get here from Australia but I have to say it has been worth it, great conditions similar to Hawaii when I used to compete there in the Kenwood Cup. This is my first visit to Antigua but I have enjoyed the sailing so far and it was great to get a win today. We have only had the boat for a very short time and it always takes a bit to get a new yacht up to speed.’
Antipodes beat Peter Harrison’s Sojana in today’s race by less than a minute. However Sojana has a virtually unassailable lead in the division. Jan Rupert’s Tripp 75, Blackbird is in third."
#141
Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:15 AM
#142
Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:59 AM
how do you reconcile this alleged ' upkeep' or lack of with his record in the Sydney to Hobart over the last XX years, and the Bluewater pointscore .
Is this race ideal for a boat that you describe ?
You obviously dont know Syd very well. He spends what is absolutely necessary and thats it. That said, yes his record is impressive, perhaps even more so because of the afore mentioned.
Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
#143
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:00 AM
Jeez how many boats does G Hill own?
And does the above quote suggest Syd is a partner it that one too?
#144
Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:43 AM
or a modified point score system ....Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
#145
Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:27 PM
how do you reconcile this alleged ' upkeep' or lack of with his record in the Sydney to Hobart over the last XX years, and the Bluewater pointscore .
Is this race ideal for a boat that you describe ?
You obviously dont know Syd very well. He spends what is absolutely necessary and thats it. That said, yes his record is impressive, perhaps even more so because of the afore mentioned.
Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
you know nothing about how he now maintains his raceboat other than circumstantial references to money
he now has the most advanced yacht facility money can buy
what do you think hes gonna do? write himself a fucking bill ?
#146
Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:28 PM
or a modified point score system ....
Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
Or not getting fuked over by the paranoid west aus cunts at every positive thing the Steaks tried to do within their budget
#147
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:13 PM
or a modified point score system ....
Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
Or not getting fuked over by the paranoid west aus cunts at every positive thing the Steaks tried to do within their budget
They should have taken a page out of the NYYC's operations and ran a 'selection' series, not an 'elimination' series. S & K was coming-on at the end, but had lost too much to be considered. The NYYC knew, from various defenses, that the fastest boat at the start of the season may not be the best boat at the end, when it counts.
#148
Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:07 AM
how do you reconcile this alleged ' upkeep' or lack of with his record in the Sydney to Hobart over the last XX years, and the Bluewater pointscore .
Is this race ideal for a boat that you describe ?
You obviously dont know Syd very well. He spends what is absolutely necessary and thats it. That said, yes his record is impressive, perhaps even more so because of the afore mentioned.
Steaks could have won in Freo if given even a fraction of the budget spent on the Kookas.
you know nothing about how he now maintains his raceboat other than circumstantial references to money
he now has the most advanced yacht facility money can buy
what do you think hes gonna do? write himself a fucking bill ?
Having been on his payroll I know quite a bit about his methods GS.
Just because you own the yard doesn't mean things don't cost!
#149
Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:48 AM
they place & win, place with predictable boring regularity
that is the final judgement of boat preparation, and that is that, actions and results speak louder than words, incl internet words
you remember the KILLER race of 1998 with 30 mtr seas
3rd, and 4th over the goddamn line
tell me about a boat with compromised preparation getting that result, and i'll come back with another 3 decades of Hobart 'Results
I can also talk of more recent staff than your stint
The prep on these Rags results is a full-time nigger 5-7 days a week minimum, at at times TWO of them
now he has a owner or co-owner-lessor to pay or apportion maint, on top of that control of the most advanced new-ish yacht facility available
pls show me again that anecdotally and in light of current events/resources that GRs prep is might be lacking
btw i've heard all the loaf of bread, no butter and unsliced tomatoes Victualling stories (cutting somesones lunch - tomatoes with a giveaway plastic butter knife fr/ Mcdonalds is a feat only a resourceful sailor or rigger could do huh)
#150
Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:24 AM
#151
Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:54 AM
remember.....it's a supermoon tomorrow night. anything can happen
#152
Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:04 AM
Just for interest HERE. Good come back!This soundbite from the Antigua Sailing Week website,Geoff and his good mate Syd sure do get around. Anybody know anything about the boys new ride?
"In CSA 1A, Geoff Hill’s Santa Cruz 72, Antipodes scored its first win of the regatta. Geoff Hill has been to Antigua Sailing Week many times before but, surprisingly, this is the first visit to the Caribbean’s longest running regatta for the true Australian sailing legend. At 85 years of age, Syd Fischer is probably the oldest competitor at Antigua Sailing Week. Syd shares a record of five America’s Cup challenges and has won just about every classic yacht race going, including the Fastnet and the Sydney Hobart Race, which Fischer has competed in on 40 occasions.
‘It’s a long flight to get here from Australia but I have to say it has been worth it, great conditions similar to Hawaii when I used to compete there in the Kenwood Cup. This is my first visit to Antigua but I have enjoyed the sailing so far and it was great to get a win today. We have only had the boat for a very short time and it always takes a bit to get a new yacht up to speed.’
Antipodes beat Peter Harrison’s Sojana in today’s race by less than a minute. However Sojana has a virtually unassailable lead in the division. Jan Rupert’s Tripp 75, Blackbird is in third."
#153
Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:01 AM
#154
Posted 06 May 2012 - 03:32 AM
#155
Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:29 PM
#156
Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:26 AM
#157
Posted 16 May 2012 - 02:13 AM
never realised the similarities before: Carl Eichenlaub & Syd Fischer (Syd needs a better moistureiser)
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#158
Posted 17 June 2012 - 07:41 AM
#159
Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:18 AM
guess its on the way to oz?
#160
Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:28 AM
just lost all interestd witt running the boat
#161
Posted 17 June 2012 - 11:38 AM
They made it around all the marks/islands/etc at Samui Regatta just fine...but did have an issue with propulsion power.
Geoff and Syd looked like they were having a great time though.
#162
Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:27 PM
Time will tell.
Nice to hear that sailing on board at Samui was pleasurable, calm and organised......no big heads this time around (just repeating a mate).
#163
Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:24 AM
#164
Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:05 AM
PIL - any idea when it will be in Singapore?
Is here right now at one degree 15 marina on Sentosa. Also same place as Yuuzoo if that is still here. Their program (ie Yuuzoo) has gone awfully silent.
#165
Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:34 AM
#166
Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:52 PM
An itchy couple of weeks coming up
#167
Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:21 AM
PIL - any idea when it will be in Singapore?
Is here right now at one degree 15 marina on Sentosa. Also same place as Yuuzoo if that is still here. Their program (ie Yuuzoo) has gone awfully silent.
YUUZOO......no shock there
#168
Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:08 AM
PIL - any idea when it will be in Singapore?
Is here right now at one degree 15 marina on Sentosa. Also same place as Yuuzoo if that is still here. Their program (ie Yuuzoo) has gone awfully silent.
The world is a better place that way and we all should thank our respective deities.
#169
Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:10 AM
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
#170
Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:13 AM
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be “by invitation of the Chairman” only. The Club’s prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
#171
Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:18 PM
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be “by invitation of the Chairman” only. The Club’s prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
That is an outrageous amount of freight to join what is essentially a "blue blazer and bolt-on boobs/bikini look at me!" club. There's no organized sailing/racing or anything of that nature happening there.
Had no idea...
#172
Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:32 PM
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be "by invitation of the Chairman" only. The Club's prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
That is an outrageous amount of freight to join what is essentially a "blue blazer and bolt-on boobs/bikini look at me!" club. There's no organized sailing/racing or anything of that nature happening there.
Had no idea...
And memberships are traded/transferred in the secondary market for less than half of that amount...
#173
Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:28 PM
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be "by invitation of the Chairman" only. The Club's prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
That is an outrageous amount of freight to join what is essentially a "blue blazer and bolt-on boobs/bikini look at me!" club. There's no organized sailing/racing or anything of that nature happening there.
Had no idea...
And memberships are traded/transferred in the secondary market for less than half of that amount...
Thank-you shiny new casino-derived economy. What a heap of BS eh.
I'll take CSC or RM over 1Deg15 anyday.
#174
Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:52 PM
You could at least drop in for a drink (with a member) and report back.
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Someone would have to be paying to moor the boat (Yuuzoo) there or are we going to see anohter boat sale for unpaid fees?
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be "by invitation of the Chairman" only. The Club's prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
That is an outrageous amount of freight to join what is essentially a "blue blazer and bolt-on boobs/bikini look at me!" club. There's no organized sailing/racing or anything of that nature happening there.
Had no idea...
And memberships are traded/transferred in the secondary market for less than half of that amount...
Thank-you shiny new casino-derived economy. What a heap of BS eh.
I'll take CSC or RM over 1Deg15 anyday.
#175
Posted 01 July 2012 - 12:24 PM
You could at least drop in for a drink (with a member) and report back.
Absolutely. It isn't a cheap club, but 2 owners of Yuuzoo run a business with the same name from Singapore. Single membership is as follows:
Membership closed as ONE°15 achieves target of 3,850 members on 27 December 2007. The remaining memberships available will be "by invitation of the Chairman" only. The Club's prevailing entrance fee for individual (transferable) membership is at $60,888.
That is an outrageous amount of freight to join what is essentially a "blue blazer and bolt-on boobs/bikini look at me!" club. There's no organized sailing/racing or anything of that nature happening there.
Had no idea...
And memberships are traded/transferred in the secondary market for less than half of that amount...
Thank-you shiny new casino-derived economy. What a heap of BS eh.
I'll take CSC or RM over 1Deg15 anyday.
Done it, many times (got a good mate who lives on a boat there). Nice spot, but I wouldn't want to keep a boat there.
#176
Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:33 AM
PIL - any idea when it will be in Singapore?
Is here right now at one degree 15 marina on Sentosa. Also same place as Yuuzoo if that is still here. Their program (ie Yuuzoo) has gone awfully silent.
Genuine risk (per my normal luck with seeing those sorts of boats) wasn't at Sentosa on Thursday but Yuuzoo was. Looking like it needs a bit of loves with patches of the carbon fiber looking stickers on the transome peeling off. It was pissing down so I didn't get any photos. The fighter jets that were doing high speed passes overhead were more interesting.
For anyone non local who happens to ever try to go to that marina, just catch a cab. After an 1 hr 45 minutes, a bus and a tram, we ended where we started and called a cab which had to do two U turns before she found the marina.
#177
Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:04 AM
Genuine risk (per my normal luck with seeing those sorts of boats) wasn't at Sentosa on Thursday but Yuuzoo was.
GR is in Darwin - arrived yesterday.
#178
Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:02 AM
#179
Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:25 AM
Saw GR motor past my office window about 1100 this morning on her way south. Hope the instruments hold up for the rest of the trip - they had only a compass when they arrived here.
East and south or west and south?
#180
Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:26 AM
#181
Posted 14 July 2012 - 12:57 AM
#182
Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:39 AM
Stay tuned !!!!!
#183
Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:18 AM
More news to come on this one.
Stay tuned !!!!!
Did you miss this?
http://forums.sailin...howtopic=137659
#184
Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:03 AM
#185
Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:08 AM
Loyal was in Rose Bay over the weekend.
#186
Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:26 AM
I then heard that the expense of modifying GR to add 10 foot was crazy and not worth the time/effort/money so Syd decided to throw the dice/cash and just buy Loyal for a serious crack at the Hobart race.
By all accounts though Syd enjoyed the most recent Southport race on the TP52 and was helping the blokes wool kites in the middle of the night. If I'm still batting at that level when I'm 80+ I'd be cheering (not that I can afford to live much past 65).
#187
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:25 AM
#188
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:51 AM
#189
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:58 AM
So, where is GR now? Still in Gove? Would it ever win anything/serious line honours contender at 90ft and without said mods?
Last I heard she had returned to Cairns a week or so ago. Don't know if she's underway again yet.
The original plan wasn't to be a line-honours contender against WOXI, just that the TP is getting to be a bit of a bumpy ride for Syd. Plan A was 68'. GR was mainly a deal for Asia - I don't think the lengthening was ever seriously planned, she's always been criticised for being too narrow as it is. [Edit: and as Jason said, the cost of modding GR would have been ridiculous.] With this year's S-H looking unlikely for GR, Loyal must have become available at the right price. There aren't many boats in Australia that would have suited Syd's needs and wants - the fact that Loyal took line honours last year wouldn't have been a big factor IMHO.
#190
Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:35 AM
We decided that the safe anchorage of the trinity inlet at Cairns was a better option. Later that night (around 8pm) we heard on the VHF that there was a boat grounded in the entrance to the inlet and was in need of assistance, Mac and I went out in the rubber duck to have a look, buy the time we got there the boat (a 90 foot racing mono named “Genuine Risk”) had freed itself from the bottom and was tacking down the channel. We came along side and the skipper explained that they had no motor and could only sail and had done so since the Torres Straights. It was decided that we would act as a tug and assist them in getting them along side the outside berth at the port. It all went well and with a bit of pushing we got them safely tied up. They where all very thankful and we where invited to have a look aboard the next day. We went and had a look the next morning it was an amazing boat but had been neglected and the new owners where getting her to Sydney for a refit.
#191
Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:42 AM
#192
Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:04 AM
I'm in Cairns. now, haven sighted her but will ask around tomorow
Probably because I think she is now up on the hard at SCM. But it could just be one of those new lightweight power line poles poking up over the bridge......
Does GR have top mast diamonds instead of top mast caps/cathedral style rigging???
#193
Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:07 AM
#194
Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:20 AM
#195
Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:33 PM
It's good to be the king?
#196
Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:45 AM
He who dies with the most toys wins...So Syd's collection up on the hard at SCM now has an IMS 50, a TP52, an Elliott 100, a Dubious 90...
It's good to be the king?
#197
Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:30 AM
excepting the other 'king' with a 100 footer hardstanding a mile or two away at WoolwichSo Syd's collection up on the hard at SCM now has an IMS 50, a TP52, an Elliott 100, a Dubious 90...
It's good to be the king?
#198
Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:09 AM
#199
Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:38 AM
#200
Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:30 AM
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