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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:07 AM

Ok boys and girls of North Texas and DFW Metroplex area, this is for you: Vela Sailing Supply and Corinthian Sailing Club invites you to test sail the VX One Design this Saturday, February 11th. (and Sunday, 12th. if needed) at White Rock Lake in Dallas. Click on the link for more details:

VX One Design Demo Day at White Rock Lake, Dallas



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Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:18 AM

Clock is ticking for the big day. It will a cool day...literally! We'll have fun and foul weather gear.

Hot coffee for the early birds. Beer for everyone!

See you tomorrow!

Rod

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

Have fun today rod, sounds like you're going to be a very busy boy - even with the cold weather. Everyone i've spoken to up there sounds anxious to check it out.



Clock is ticking for the big day. It will a cool day...literally! We'll have fun and foul weather gear.

Hot coffee for the early birds. Beer for everyone!

See you tomorrow!

Rod



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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:14 PM

Any photos to post? Pictures of frozen people?

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:41 PM

It was about 37F yesterday with winds in the 20s. How'd it go Rod?

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

Facebook report was positive. I've heard from a few folks who were very impressed.

Heard Nonskid is worthless when it's covered in ice

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 07:14 PM

Hi all!

Well, let's start by saying that the Texan crowd is a bunch of tough sailors (boys and girls). Thank you for your support and commitment regardless of the weather! Almost everybody who RSVPd showed up and coped with the weather (29 degrees in the morning, then "warmed" up to 36 degrees). It was blowing 15 knots gusting up to 29 knots from the North. :ph34r:

We had hot coffee, chocolate and cinn. rolls for the early birds who attended to the "COld Weather Sailing Gear Seminar"

We ramp launched without any problems. Dropping the keel, hoisting the main and all the other bits was a very easy "one man" operation. All super simple and where it has to be.

Then the rides: really gusty conditions allowed all present sailors to see and feel how stable the boat is. It always took 2 or 3 minutes (real time) for people to figure what and where was everything, as well as how it would work. One of the sweetest things is the self tacking jib and it's traveler system. Adjusting the slot between both sails will make the boat fly upwind. We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail. Went bow down hiking a bit harder and touch 7.1 knots. (blame the Speedpuck, not me).

The spinnaker maneuver is way too easy, we might need to complicate it a little more: kite goes up/pole goes out and the same "hoisting dude" can grab the spinnaker sheet, adjust the jib and make the boat jump on a plane without sweating... :lol:

The overall impression is that everyone is amazed on how simple, strong, user friendly and fast the VX One is. Big fluky winds, submerged obstructions and there was not drama, no problem, no carnage. It was all good.

Around 15:00 we took a quick break for a raffle: Vela shirts, gloves, Corrosion X products (courtesy of JD Hill) and a free Velocitek Speedpuck with the pruchase of a VX One!1...it was fun. Then we had some more warm beers and hot dogs while listening to excellent reggae and tropical music on 36 degrees. It was very fun!

Great thanks to the Corinthian Sailing Club, specially to Norm Grail, Mike Hansen and Mike Mittman for been such great supporters of the VX One and the sport in North Texas.

At the end of the day, we had about 30 people who showed up at the club, and 15 of them went for the rides. We pulled the boat out of the water around 18:15 and there as a sheet of ice on the deck and sheets, cam cleats and control lines were all frozen.

The VX is changing the way people is looking at our sport.

Pictures coming soon...

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:08 AM

Hi all!

Well, let's start by saying that the Texan crowd is a bunch of tough sailors (boys and girls). Thank you for your support and commitment regardless of the weather! Almost everybody who RSVPd showed up and coped with the weather (29 degrees in the morning, then "warmed" up to 36 degrees). It was blowing 15 knots gusting up to 29 knots from the North. :ph34r:

We had hot coffee, chocolate and cinn. rolls for the early birds who attended to the "COld Weather Sailing Gear Seminar"

We ramp launched without any problems. Dropping the keel, hoisting the main and all the other bits was a very easy "one man" operation. All super simple and where it has to be.

Then the rides: really gusty conditions allowed all present sailors to see and feel how stable the boat is. It always took 2 or 3 minutes (real time) for people to figure what and where was everything, as well as how it would work. One of the sweetest things is the self tacking jib and it's traveler system. Adjusting the slot between both sails will make the boat fly upwind. We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail. Went bow down hiking a bit harder and touch 7.1 knots. (blame the Speedpuck, not me).

The spinnaker maneuver is way too easy, we might need to complicate it a little more: kite goes up/pole goes out and the same "hoisting dude" can grab the spinnaker sheet, adjust the jib and make the boat jump on a plane without sweating... :lol:

The overall impression is that everyone is amazed on how simple, strong, user friendly and fast the VX One is. Big fluky winds, submerged obstructions and there was not drama, no problem, no carnage. It was all good.

Around 15:00 we took a quick break for a raffle: Vela shirts, gloves, Corrosion X products (courtesy of JD Hill) and a free Velocitek Speedpuck with the pruchase of a VX One!1...it was fun. Then we had some more warm beers and hot dogs while listening to excellent reggae and tropical music on 36 degrees. It was very fun!

Great thanks to the Corinthian Sailing Club, specially to Norm Grail, Mike Hansen and Mike Mittman for been such great supporters of the VX One and the sport in North Texas.

At the end of the day, we had about 30 people who showed up at the club, and 15 of them went for the rides. We pulled the boat out of the water around 18:15 and there as a sheet of ice on the deck and sheets, cam cleats and control lines were all frozen.

The VX is changing the way people is looking at our sport.

Pictures coming soon...


"We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail"

What was your VMG (or tacking angle) in pointing mode ? If you had a speedpuck on the boat you should be able to generate this number.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:02 PM

Hi all!

Well, let's start by saying that the Texan crowd is a bunch of tough sailors (boys and girls). Thank you for your support and commitment regardless of the weather! Almost everybody who RSVPd showed up and coped with the weather (29 degrees in the morning, then "warmed" up to 36 degrees). It was blowing 15 knots gusting up to 29 knots from the North. :ph34r:

We had hot coffee, chocolate and cinn. rolls for the early birds who attended to the "COld Weather Sailing Gear Seminar"

We ramp launched without any problems. Dropping the keel, hoisting the main and all the other bits was a very easy "one man" operation. All super simple and where it has to be.

Then the rides: really gusty conditions allowed all present sailors to see and feel how stable the boat is. It always took 2 or 3 minutes (real time) for people to figure what and where was everything, as well as how it would work. One of the sweetest things is the self tacking jib and it's traveler system. Adjusting the slot between both sails will make the boat fly upwind. We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail. Went bow down hiking a bit harder and touch 7.1 knots. (blame the Speedpuck, not me).

The spinnaker maneuver is way too easy, we might need to complicate it a little more: kite goes up/pole goes out and the same "hoisting dude" can grab the spinnaker sheet, adjust the jib and make the boat jump on a plane without sweating... :lol:

The overall impression is that everyone is amazed on how simple, strong, user friendly and fast the VX One is. Big fluky winds, submerged obstructions and there was not drama, no problem, no carnage. It was all good.

Around 15:00 we took a quick break for a raffle: Vela shirts, gloves, Corrosion X products (courtesy of JD Hill) and a free Velocitek Speedpuck with the pruchase of a VX One!1...it was fun. Then we had some more warm beers and hot dogs while listening to excellent reggae and tropical music on 36 degrees. It was very fun!

Great thanks to the Corinthian Sailing Club, specially to Norm Grail, Mike Hansen and Mike Mittman for been such great supporters of the VX One and the sport in North Texas.

At the end of the day, we had about 30 people who showed up at the club, and 15 of them went for the rides. We pulled the boat out of the water around 18:15 and there as a sheet of ice on the deck and sheets, cam cleats and control lines were all frozen.

The VX is changing the way people is looking at our sport.

Pictures coming soon...


I am not surprised that the boat feels stable and save with 510 lbs on the rail. It would be interesting to see how the boat performs with crew weight closer to the lower end of the weight range. After all the VX website suggests an optimal weight range of 380 to 450lbs. Can one safely sail the boat 2 up in gusty conditions comparable to those you experienced during your testsail? Or will the boat (and crew) be constantly on the edge?

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 01:41 PM

I am not surprised that the boat feels stable and save with 510 lbs on the rail. It would be interesting to see how the boat performs with crew weight closer to the lower end of the weight range. After all the VX website suggests an optimal weight range of 380 to 450lbs. Can one safely sail the boat 2 up in gusty conditions comparable to those you experienced during your testsail? Or will the boat (and crew) be constantly on the edge?


I raced in Pensacola with 360lbs and at Lake Murray with 410lbs and had no problems. We had some tuning issues on Sat. in Pensacola that made us slow, but never felt the least bit unsafe. Once we sorted things out we were very happy with the underweight performance on Sunday. Lake Murray was still the prototype boat, but conditions where windy: 20+ according to the RC and it was nothing but joy on the VX. It's actually pretty easy, when overpowered just add Gnav until the boat settles down

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 02:10 PM


Hi all!

Well, let's start by saying that the Texan crowd is a bunch of tough sailors (boys and girls). Thank you for your support and commitment regardless of the weather! Almost everybody who RSVPd showed up and coped with the weather (29 degrees in the morning, then "warmed" up to 36 degrees). It was blowing 15 knots gusting up to 29 knots from the North. :ph34r:

We had hot coffee, chocolate and cinn. rolls for the early birds who attended to the "COld Weather Sailing Gear Seminar"

We ramp launched without any problems. Dropping the keel, hoisting the main and all the other bits was a very easy "one man" operation. All super simple and where it has to be.

Then the rides: really gusty conditions allowed all present sailors to see and feel how stable the boat is. It always took 2 or 3 minutes (real time) for people to figure what and where was everything, as well as how it would work. One of the sweetest things is the self tacking jib and it's traveler system. Adjusting the slot between both sails will make the boat fly upwind. We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail. Went bow down hiking a bit harder and touch 7.1 knots. (blame the Speedpuck, not me).

The spinnaker maneuver is way too easy, we might need to complicate it a little more: kite goes up/pole goes out and the same "hoisting dude" can grab the spinnaker sheet, adjust the jib and make the boat jump on a plane without sweating... :lol:

The overall impression is that everyone is amazed on how simple, strong, user friendly and fast the VX One is. Big fluky winds, submerged obstructions and there was not drama, no problem, no carnage. It was all good.

Around 15:00 we took a quick break for a raffle: Vela shirts, gloves, Corrosion X products (courtesy of JD Hill) and a free Velocitek Speedpuck with the pruchase of a VX One!1...it was fun. Then we had some more warm beers and hot dogs while listening to excellent reggae and tropical music on 36 degrees. It was very fun!

Great thanks to the Corinthian Sailing Club, specially to Norm Grail, Mike Hansen and Mike Mittman for been such great supporters of the VX One and the sport in North Texas.

At the end of the day, we had about 30 people who showed up at the club, and 15 of them went for the rides. We pulled the boat out of the water around 18:15 and there as a sheet of ice on the deck and sheets, cam cleats and control lines were all frozen.

The VX is changing the way people is looking at our sport.

Pictures coming soon...


I am not surprised that the boat feels stable and save with 510 lbs on the rail. It would be interesting to see how the boat performs with crew weight closer to the lower end of the weight range. After all the VX website suggests an optimal weight range of 380 to 450lbs. Can one safely sail the boat 2 up in gusty conditions comparable to those you experienced during your testsail? Or will the boat (and crew) be constantly on the edge?


Since it was a demo day, we had different crew weights along the day. The heaviest we sailed it was at 510 lbs. The lightest was 405 lbs. At all times the boat was stable and extremely easy to sail: no weather helm, no round ups on big gust regardless of the weight on the rail. Of course, a heavy crew will keep better constant speed upwind when is blowing, but once you turn the corner they better watch out for the light guys. It is a very well balanced boat. You don't need to sail it at 510 lbs. to keep it under control, you want to have a light crew, probably between 450 lbs and 480 lbs. with good hiking power. This way you tolls for upwind and nice downwind balance. We were never on the edge of loosing control or not been able to switch gears according to the crew weight. It is a resourceful boat: GNAV, prebend, jib traveler out. All these help a light crew to be competitive. The keel is extremely effective, same as the high aspect rudder which makes driving a very pleasant experience at any point of sail.

The boat is so sturdy and controllable, than going through the sudden 20+ gusts was not an issue at all when going upwind, even having a couple of people on "sitting" mode on the rail. It is just a fun boat to sail and we can't wait to sail it in the ocean, since waves will give a whole new turn to sailing this boat.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 02:50 PM


Hi all!

Well, let's start by saying that the Texan crowd is a bunch of tough sailors (boys and girls). Thank you for your support and commitment regardless of the weather! Almost everybody who RSVPd showed up and coped with the weather (29 degrees in the morning, then "warmed" up to 36 degrees). It was blowing 15 knots gusting up to 29 knots from the North. :ph34r:

For those of us who are in the process of getting a PHRF cert, that is a type-o. 6.3 should be 5.3

thanks

We had hot coffee, chocolate and cinn. rolls for the early birds who attended to the "COld Weather Sailing Gear Seminar"

We ramp launched without any problems. Dropping the keel, hoisting the main and all the other bits was a very easy "one man" operation. All super simple and where it has to be.

Then the rides: really gusty conditions allowed all present sailors to see and feel how stable the boat is. It always took 2 or 3 minutes (real time) for people to figure what and where was everything, as well as how it would work. One of the sweetest things is the self tacking jib and it's traveler system. Adjusting the slot between both sails will make the boat fly upwind. We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail. Went bow down hiking a bit harder and touch 7.1 knots. (blame the Speedpuck, not me).

The spinnaker maneuver is way too easy, we might need to complicate it a little more: kite goes up/pole goes out and the same "hoisting dude" can grab the spinnaker sheet, adjust the jib and make the boat jump on a plane without sweating... :lol:

The overall impression is that everyone is amazed on how simple, strong, user friendly and fast the VX One is. Big fluky winds, submerged obstructions and there was not drama, no problem, no carnage. It was all good.

Around 15:00 we took a quick break for a raffle: Vela shirts, gloves, Corrosion X products (courtesy of JD Hill) and a free Velocitek Speedpuck with the pruchase of a VX One!1...it was fun. Then we had some more warm beers and hot dogs while listening to excellent reggae and tropical music on 36 degrees. It was very fun!

Great thanks to the Corinthian Sailing Club, specially to Norm Grail, Mike Hansen and Mike Mittman for been such great supporters of the VX One and the sport in North Texas.

At the end of the day, we had about 30 people who showed up at the club, and 15 of them went for the rides. We pulled the boat out of the water around 18:15 and there as a sheet of ice on the deck and sheets, cam cleats and control lines were all frozen.

The VX is changing the way people is looking at our sport.

Pictures coming soon...


"We registered 6.3 knots on pointing mode in flat water with 510 lbs on the rail"

What was your VMG (or tacking angle) in pointing mode ? If you had a speedpuck on the boat you should be able to generate this number.



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Posted 13 February 2012 - 07:27 PM

We also need to give BIG thanks to our "on the water" pictures and film crew Dave Butler and Ryan Glaze who really worked their transoms off to record and take pictures in freezing conditions!

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 07:38 PM

way to go rod, wish I could have been there!

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

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Flame on, more to come.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:37 PM

Outstanding!, Sorry couldn't be there, sure we'll see ya soon, congrats on a great day!

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Good luck, A-Rod.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:06 PM

It was a good looking boat, wish I could have stayed longer and sailed it... maybe next time..

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:03 AM

The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:05 PM

What JD doesn't realize is that he's running his crew off.... those guys will never be happy to sit on the rail of that 122 again.



The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).



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Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:59 AM

The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


Bring her to RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th. You can come play with the Classless fleet.
FM

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 04:52 AM


The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


Bring her to RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th. You can come play with the Classless fleet.
FM


Next demo will be at Rush Creek Yacht Club. We are fine tuning the dates and will let you know soon!

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:20 PM

What JD doesn't realize is that he's running his crew off.... those guys will never be happy to sit on the rail of that 122 again.




The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


A. Maybe I'm trying to run them off... Posted Image
B. For those I need back, I've found rum and boat babes to be effective recruiting tools – and you can pile a bunch more of both on the 122.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:32 PM

HA! Love it. Is it Wednesday yet?




What JD doesn't realize is that he's running his crew off.... those guys will never be happy to sit on the rail of that 122 again.




The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


A. Maybe I'm trying to run them off... Posted Image
B. For those I need back, I've found rum and boat babes to be effective recruiting tools – and you can pile a bunch more of both on the 122.



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:28 AM

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great shot

now make no mistake, THAT is a 3-up design, 4 might even keep the leeward gunnel dry

2-up without trapezes tops out at about the Tasar size / RM

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Gybe, your sort of right. But i've sailed the boat with one other guy (combined crew weight of about 420) and its enough, even in breeze.

I'll report back after this weekend, but i think most teams in NO are sailing either 2up (big guys) or three.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:46 PM

enough but not enough to go as fast as 3

the K6 found this out at Garda

like the vid, boat planes very freely, 3-up even

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:50 PM

Agree, you'll be faster up-hill with three bodies. Do you think that's as much about keeping momentum in chop as it is about holding the boat down?

I suspect these smaller sportboats will get cramped with three big (200lb) people on them, even with the open cock-pit design. The VX has a nice clean open cockpit like my vipers, so it's not too bad.

I will say that the downwind feel is simply amazing. It feels a lot like my vipe did without the bulb (but with piece of mind that there's something down there just in case).

Some of the fella's are reporting upwind target speeds above 6 knot's in point mode, i think that's all been achieved with over 400 lbs of crew weight. That seems too quick, so i'll remain skeptical.



enough but not enough to go as fast as 3

the K6 found this out at Garda

like the vid, boat planes very freely, 3-up even



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:04 PM

Some of the fella's are reporting upwind target speeds above 6 knot's in point mode, i think that's all been achieved with over 400 lbs of crew weight. That seems too quick, so i'll remain skeptical.



We're well over 400, but low to mid 6s in point mode is normal in good breeze. I'll make sure Susan shows you our speed puck when we catch you. Posted Image

Our biggest challenge this weekend will be not royally screwing up. Other than Rod, we don't have a lot of sport boat experience and we've had about 1 hour total time in the boat. So this week's forecasted big breeze ought to be... well, let's just say we should provide plenty of entertainment for you guys.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:50 PM

HA! Well, if you pass me and get thrown off the back in a puff dont expect to be picked up ;-)



Some of the fella's are reporting upwind target speeds above 6 knot's in point mode, i think that's all been achieved with over 400 lbs of crew weight. That seems too quick, so i'll remain skeptical.



We're well over 400, but low to mid 6s in point mode is normal in good breeze. I'll make sure Susan shows you our speed puck when we catch you. Posted Image

Our biggest challenge this weekend will be not royally screwing up. Other than Rod, we don't have a lot of sport boat experience and we've had about 1 hour total time in the boat. So this week's forecasted big breeze ought to be... well, let's just say we should provide plenty of entertainment for you guys.



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:02 PM

Mid 6s in point mode? We'll see. I suspect the polar changes a lot in the first few degrees off max VMG. Viper jumps from low 6s to mid 7s cracked off 5-10 degrees.

Interesting that the VX is now being described as a 3 up boat. Not surprising when the bulb is as light as a jockey.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

The reason i'm skeptical is that in point mode our target up-wind boat speed on the viper is 5.8. If you're sailing a viper up-hill in the low 6's then i need some tuning advice ;-)

Mid 6s in point mode? We'll see. I suspect the polar changes a lot in the first few degrees off max VMG. Viper jumps from low 6s to mid 7s cracked off 5-10 degrees.

Interesting that the VX is now being described as a 3 up boat. Not surprising when the bulb is as light as a jockey.



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:35 PM

My uphill target in 15kts in the Viper is about 6-6.1 If you crack off to get the Viper in the mid 7's, I don't think your going "uphill" and will lose the VMG battle.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:57 PM

Bennett has posted the VPP Output on the VX website: http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530

Looks like they ran the numbers at 425lbs of crew.

Posted Image

See http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530 for more details and a detailed version of that graphic

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:03 PM

HA! Well, if you pass me and get thrown off the back in a puff dont expect to be picked up ;-)



Now, now. Where's your manners. There was that classic moment at CRW where a Viper picked up a body that an SB3 (or was it a Melges 20?) had ejected at the leeward mark rounding. The Viper took the rescued package all the way back uphill, overtaking the SB 3 in the process, and then with no further use for him at the windward mark, he jumped back in the water to await his original ride. I was never quite sure how the rules applied, but them's was the early wild west days, and it was as funny as hell.

The reason i'm skeptical is that in point mode our target up-wind boat speed on the viper is 5.8. If you're sailing a viper up-hill in the low 6's then i need some tuning advice ;-)

Oh yeah, second at the NAs, with the combined Monkey/Animal crew weighing in at the clydesdale division, like you need any tuning advice? Even Brad was going "wtf?" on the first day.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:46 PM

Justin,

It was JP in his new-old Viper, and he picked him up at the top, and dropped him off at the leeward mark. Still have a picture of it that I found.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:02 PM

Best I can tell from that eye exam that's supposed to pass for a Polar Chart, with a crew of 425 lbs+ you should be aiming for 6kts in anything over 12. Sounds about right from my limited experience on the boat (Day 1 was 10 to 12 with puffs about 14. Day 2 was in the low upper teens to low 20s).

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:10 PM

HA! Well, if you pass me and get thrown off the back in a puff dont expect to be picked up ;-)



Humph! Well I hope you're nicer to Mrs. Ultraracer613 when SHE passes you. Posted Image

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:29 PM

Well, if we picked up CorrosionX it would add what.... another 220lbs to our already 640lbs of combined crew weight? Now, if his better half falls in we'd turn around to get her.




HA! Well, if you pass me and get thrown off the back in a puff dont expect to be picked up ;-)



Now, now. Where's your manners. There was that classic moment at CRW where a Viper picked up a body that an SB3 (or was it a Melges 20?) had ejected at the leeward mark rounding. The Viper took the rescued package all the way back uphill, overtaking the SB 3 in the process, and then with no further use for him at the windward mark, he jumped back in the water to await his original ride. I was never quite sure how the rules applied, but them's was the early wild west days, and it was as funny as hell.

The reason i'm skeptical is that in point mode our target up-wind boat speed on the viper is 5.8. If you're sailing a viper up-hill in the low 6's then i need some tuning advice ;-)

Oh yeah, second at the NAs, with the combined Monkey/Animal crew weighing in at the clydesdale division, like you need any tuning advice? Even Brad was going "wtf?" on the first day.



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:36 PM

I suspect these smaller sportboats will get cramped with three big (200lb) people on them, even with the open cock-pit design. The VX has a nice clean open cockpit like my vipers, so it's not too bad.

you should come down under
and get a bit 'fair dinkum' about this aspect

this is the 3-up 15'er class that i'm out of,

and the pic is a 10' (read TEN) skiff that i do regattas in, 3 up or 4-up

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:39 PM

That's sick.

You guys must get a chuckle when people talk about vipers, vx's and the like being fast, tippy or radical.

We are so far behind the performance curve... but trying to catch up!


I suspect these smaller sportboats will get cramped with three big (200lb) people on them, even with the open cock-pit design. The VX has a nice clean open cockpit like my vipers, so it's not too bad.

you should come down under
and get a bit 'fair dinkum' about this aspect

this is the 3-up 15'er class that i'm out of,

and the pic is a 10' (read TEN) skiff that i do regattas in, 3 up or 4-up

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

Well, if we picked up CorrosionX it would add what.... another 220lbs to our already 640lbs of combined crew weight?



Naw bro, CorrosionX is only 16 ozs. per can.

P.S. I don't think I've seen 220 since I was wrestling in college – unless it's as the dial on the scale whips by 220 on the way to 240. Still, mighty kind of you. Sort of like the rare occasion when you get carded while buying liquor.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:04 PM

Oh, one other thing, I should point out that in Rod's photo above, the crew is Rod, Princess Ginger Bitch and B. Sircely. So all together, those three probably weigh the same as Ultraracer and myself (450 and change).

So in that regard, I think the boat is extremely flexible. It's super-simple to sail because of the setup and self tacking jib, so two big guys can run it well, or three smaller people, or three teenagers, a young family of 3, etc.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:10 PM

I am not that skinny..am I?

No to mention that those guys on the picture where not on the real hiking position either, yeah, yeah,... :lol:

The boat is very weight sensitive, so either 2 big guys or 3 155 pounders will do it and this is just for weight, because is very..very simple to sail.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:14 AM



The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


Bring her to RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th. You can come play with the Classless fleet.
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Next demo will be at Rush Creek Yacht Club. We are fine tuning the dates and will let you know soon!




Hi Vela,
Wasn't looking for a demo ride... I thought you might like to come play with us. See how you stack up with the IC's, Contender, Raider and such.

FM

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:55 AM




The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


Bring her to RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th. You can come play with the Classless fleet.
FM


Next demo will be at Rush Creek Yacht Club. We are fine tuning the dates and will let you know soon!




Hi Vela,
Wasn't looking for a demo ride... I thought you might like to come play with us. See how you stack up with the IC's, Contender, Raider and such.

FM


Sure thing! Dates?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:16 AM

Impressive polar! Upwind, maybe a tick faster than the Viper. Reaching, it is just shy of wind speed.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:53 AM



retrieval line is either caught on something or a little short

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:58 AM






retrieval line is either caught on something or a little short



A little short. Problem has been fixed by now.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:15 AM

Bennett has posted the VPP Output on the VX website: http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530

Looks like they ran the numbers at 425lbs of crew.

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See http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530 for more details and a detailed version of that graphic


Will I get my hand bitten off if I point out that these polars were calculated by the same guys who calculated that the boat would weigh 385lbs ?

Anyway, whatever the polars, this will be a fast boat.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:21 AM





retrieval line is either caught on something or a little short



A little short. Problem has been fixed by now.



Good - that will make quite a bit of speed difference

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:16 AM

Bennett has posted the VPP Output on the VX website: http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530

Looks like they ran the numbers at 425lbs of crew.

Posted Image

See http://vxonedesignra...vxodr/pages/530 for more details and a detailed version of that graphic


Hmmm... I just can't reconcile the polars with the Best Performance and Best Apparent Wind Angle charts.

For example, from the polars I'd say that with 25 knot breeze best VMG downwind is at about 140 degrees. From the Best Performance page, it's supposed to be at 160 degrees. And from the Best Apparent Wind page, the apparent wind will be 179.7 degrees, which suggests aiming all-but-DDW.

Huh, was one graph done at 385 lb displacement, another at 450, and another at five-hundred something, or what? Well actually even that wouldn't explain these big discrepancies.

GIGO?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:45 AM

130 degrees and 23 knots wind, can the Vx handle that?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:34 PM





The VX One fleet keeps growing in North Texas. After a freezing first demo day, we already have new VX One owners joining the fleet.

Welcome!

For those of you in the DFW Metroplex area that could not make it, no worries. We will post the date for the next demo day very soon. This time I guarantee you it will be warmer (I really doubt it will be colder than Saturday).


Bring her to RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th. You can come play with the Classless fleet.
FM


Next demo will be at Rush Creek Yacht Club. We are fine tuning the dates and will let you know soon!




Hi Vela,
Wasn't looking for a demo ride... I thought you might like to come play with us. See how you stack up with the IC's, Contender, Raider and such.

FM


Sure thing! Dates?


RCYC for the Spring Dinghyfest May 12th and 13th.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:47 AM

130 degrees and 23 knots wind, can the Vx handle that?


Sure, if your crew can hike out a few dozen feet.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:06 PM


130 degrees and 23 knots wind, can the Vx handle that?


Sure, if your crew can hike out a few dozen feet.


=D

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:20 PM

Happy to see a new entrant in the sportboat field with performance like a trap dinghy/skiff hybrid. I have to wonder, though, why Brian felt compelled to begin marketing his new venture by his self-serving public trashing of the VX's big brother and then by exaggerating the lightness of the VX. I would have more confidence in the polar without those moves.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:34 PM

The polar could also be more credible if he didn't have along with it two other charts that substantially disagree with it.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Agree, and also if it stated assumptions such as crew weight.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:35 PM

Polars: VX (Bennett) vs 29er (Bethwaite)
20 knots TWS
Max reaching boat speed:
VX 18 kt @ 130
29er 16 kt @ 150

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:47 PM

Well the VX One has essentially the same righting moment as the 29er (sailed flat or moderate heel) and only weighs twice as much or a little more all-up, so why would you doubt greater max reaching speed, if you doubt it?

That said the 29er is not a superfast boat.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:55 PM

I would have guessed the 29er had greater righting moment when near flat with a crew on trap than the VX but I have not done righting moment and SCP calculations. I am kind of surprised that VX would reach down wind at speeds closer to TWS than the 29er. But the VX carries a lot more sail.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:27 AM

Just because it's in print does not make it true.... B)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:46 AM

I would have guessed the 29er had greater righting moment when near flat with a crew on trap than the VX but I have not done righting moment and SCP calculations.

Well I was allowing 450 lb crew weight for the VX versus 130 kg (middle of the crew weight range) for the 29er. I figured arms as half-beam for the VX, and half-beam plus 2.5 feet for the 29er. When doing this just as ballpark values, the RM comes out almost identical.

If you figure top end of the 29er weight range then it does come out a little more for the 29er.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:33 PM

why ***** felt compelled to begin marketing his new venture by his self-serving public trashing of the VX's big brother and then by exaggerating the lightness of the VX. I wou
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how much is it over the initial (displacement) claim???????

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:40 PM

Dry displacement has increased about 20% from initial claim; hull weight up 30%. Still a light boat. But if I had a deposit on a sports car and the weight increased that much I would not be happy.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:38 PM

Some great video of VXs and Vipers at MGRW. VX looks fast and fun. Vipers still look fast and fun.

I noticed how VX sail numbers apparently started at 100. Yeah well, that's one way to make the boat look more established. Can't the boat succeed on performance and quality, not hyperbole?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:30 PM

how about a link

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:00 PM

the vx's looked faster than the vips down wind in those conditions.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:13 PM

Yeah, looked faster to me, too. More hull out of the water.

I noticed in one of the races the fastest VX lapped the slowest Viper. Any qualitative feel for relative windward-leeward course speed?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:46 AM

So.... what happene with the VX fleet at Mardi Gras?



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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:33 AM

Everyone had a great time

The vipers started five min ahead, it was blowing really hard so several of the less experiences vipers didn't even fly kites. Yes, vx's caught some stragglers but that meant nothing I'n regards to boatspeed.

There were no inexperienced vx's, it was a crazy difficult fleet to sail in. First through third were decided I'n the final race and any of the boats could have taken a first I'n an individual race.

As far as speed between the two, I didn't really notice any. If anything I might say it was pretty even. Maybe an edge to the vx down wind, and to the viper up.

Big breeze and really big chop made for difficult sailing conditions.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:58 PM

Everyone had a great time

The vipers started five min ahead, it was blowing really hard so several of the less experiences vipers didn't even fly kites. Yes, vx's caught some stragglers but that meant nothing I'n regards to boatspeed.

There were no inexperienced vx's, it was a crazy difficult fleet to sail in. First through third were decided I'n the final race and any of the boats could have taken a first I'n an individual race.

As far as speed between the two, I didn't really notice any. If anything I might say it was pretty even. Maybe an edge to the vx down wind, and to the viper up.

Big breeze and really big chop made for difficult sailing conditions.



Wait. No inexperienced VX's? Those boats have only been out of the molds for a few weeks. Experienced sailors yes, but experience w/the boats not so much....




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