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[sk8]

I happened to see it go over, it looked like a full sideways flip from my angle, and looked like a slo-mo clip.. Though apparently not too gentle. I hope the crew arent too bruised up, and a shame to see them out of the series. They even had a reef in the main, but still got funneled!


I would have thought towing the 'cyno' backwards with a yoke from the fwd beam would have got her back upright, and sailing again in race 5.. But not by towing bow first; even with all crew on the fwd beam as they did.
The resistance from the transoms and the bow up stern down attitude it had would allow it to do an 'Fboat' style recovery flip if towed backwards...


Of course its easy to say when observing from another boat and not thrashing about in the water amongst rigging, sails, hurt crew etc!
Pinhead, dont change her name to 'Chelonaphobe' ! (fear of turtles)

[shaneo]

 IMG_0580_2_1.JPG   455.12K   55 downloadswith the jetty fridge there is more incentive to get home fast

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After a hard day racing you really need a beer .So became the jetty fridge

[Smooth Cruiser]

You guys have it all wrong - the beer fridge should be ON the boat . . .

[offtherails]

Any racer worth his salt would know that OP Bundy Rum is the drink of choice on racedays, the penalty to your OMR from an average of half a fridge full of beer carried around the course would sink your chances of a ratings win. At a carton per man per day, that is big kilos.

[Bill Gibbs]

it looked like a full sideways flip from my angle, and looked like a slo-mo clip

Condolances to Cynophobe.

Any guesses as to which sheet didn't get released?

[bullock]

1345033209[/url]' post='3826149']
Any racer worth his salt would know that OP Bundy Rum is the drink of choice on racedays, the penalty to your OMR from an average of half a fridge full of beer carried around the course would sink your chances of a ratings win. At a carton per man per day, that is big kilos.

What?????
Bundy does not even pass the test as a rum by the rest of the rum drinking world!!!
Good for getting smells out of the sink though.

[auscat]

it looked like a full sideways flip from my angle, and looked like a slo-mo clip

Condolances to Cynophobe.

Any guesses as to which sheet didn't get released?

The boys on the boat reckon they dumped it all,those that saw it reckon nothing got let off.Very nasty conditions at the time with 40+ degree windshifts going from 5-25 knts.

The mast was hitting the bottom and by the time they all got back on the boat it had snapped.Much easier to tow in upside down clear every thing up and use a crane to right it.

Yesterday was another glamour with a good 15 all day for the long race.Ther must have been a few changes of undies on the start boat when the aptly named Mad Max shut the gate on Vodafone and forced them to go around again.The course was a 10 mile beat up to white rock then a couple of mile reach to the Molles before a lovely 25 mile run down thw Whitsunday passage to Gumbrell before another beat back to the finish.Vodafone was finishing long before we got to Gumbrell.The beer fridge copped a flogging before we retired to beer tent for another great evening of beer and bullshit.

Last day to and with Trilogy,3 p0ints clear of Malice and The Curry another 3 points back it may not be over but Trilogy looking pretty good.

[im hungry]

mailce 1st, 2nd trilogy, 3rd hot vindaloo

[Dale dug a hole]

Hey Plywoodboy, you beat cyno

Go INTRIIGUE

[Dale dug a hole]

The boys on the boat reckon they dumped it all,those that saw it reckon nothing got let off.Very nasty conditions at the time with 40+ degree windshifts going from 5-25 knts.

While I'm not suggesting they didn't dump the lines, I could see the situation that, as you're hiking out (as you do on cyno), the thought off letting go of the line could be the last thing on your mind, if fact you might hold on tighter, especially if she was already flying a hulll

[eric e]

yup, this is the problem on smaller off the beach multis too

if you are in the danger zone and not already uncleated

when the BIG gusts hit and your arse is suddenly going up while your eyes are wide at the bows going down

it's very hard to have the presence of mind to run through the required release procedures in time

you need to recognize the danger earlier and already be uncleated and mentally checked off to RELEASE at the first sign of pear shaped

course, just armchair speculation from miles away

[GybeSet®]

While I'm not suggesting they didn't dump the lines, I could see the situation that, as you're hiking out (as you do on cyno), the thought off letting go of the line could be the last thing on your mind, if fact you might hold on tighter, especially if she was already flying a hull

so the situation you are painting would be 'operator error'

[Bill Gibbs]

so the situation you are painting would be 'operator error'

Isn't it always?

[Robnacra]

Thx to everyone, great racing in a great place. Looking like it could be one of the big multi regattas of the future with multi numbers growing rapidly. Racing was tight and exciting. Def some hangovers this morning!

[Silver Raven]

so the situation you are painting would be 'operator error'

Isn't it always?

Gooday all you 'folk' - Sure hope you're having a blast. Wish I was down there with you mob.

Bill - "Isn't it always" - may well be a far to - over-simplification - I M H O Whilst I'm sure you might be correct - your comment doesn't get anyone one step forward, does it?

Why not let's all look for a solution - that the owner might listen to - so that there is less - as in - far less - tendency to - - invert - -

How about - 'canting' the hulls - out at 7 degrees - I'm sure someone might be able to explain to him - what the real advantages of doing that are. I'm sure he knows already - but in the heat of this 'happening' I'm sure he's not going to pay head to the likes of me. If he'd like - I'll come-down & give a hand (foc) but I'm sure all you's-guy's are far to smart for me.

Do try that 7 degrees cant-out - though - & then the 'rocket-ship' will want to keep the - big foil on the top of the equation, eh. Ciao, james

[PIL007]

so the situation you are painting would be 'operator error'

Isn't it always?

Gooday all you 'folk' - Sure hope you're having a blast. Wish I was down there with you mob.

Bill - "Isn't it always" - may well be a far to - over-simplification - I M H O Whilst I'm sure you might be correct - your comment doesn't get anyone one step forward, does it?

Why not let's all look for a solution - that the owner might listen to - so that there is less - as in - far less - tendency to - - invert - -

How about - 'canting' the hulls - out at 7 degrees - I'm sure someone might be able to explain to him - what the real advantages of doing that are. I'm sure he knows already - but in the heat of this 'happening' I'm sure he's not going to pay head to the likes of me. If he'd like - I'll come-down & give a hand (foc) but I'm sure all you's-guy's are far to smart for me.

Do try that 7 degrees cant-out - though - & then the 'rocket-ship' will want to keep the - big foil on the top of the equation, eh. Ciao, james

..........???? Did i miss something....?

[auscat]

What a great week of sailing and the result was down to the last race.Malice and Max had a great match racing session yesterday but in the end Malice was just too good.We had a great week on Jovert but to get a result in this fleet it needed to be a fabulous week.Winning the last race was a great way to end the show. To hear people mumbling about nationals was really cool.

[green boat]

1345033209[/url]' post='3826149']
Any racer worth his salt would know that OP Bundy Rum is the drink of choice on racedays, the penalty to your OMR from an average of half a fridge full of beer carried around the course would sink your chances of a ratings win. At a carton per man per day, that is big kilos.

What?????
Bundy does not even pass the test as a rum by the rest of the rum drinking world!!!
Good for getting smells out of the sink though.

Careful bluey your in the middle of bundy country there. Your head has seen too much sun and your pallet has had too much salt lately

[green boat]

What a great week of sailing - thanks for keeping us less fortunate informed

To hear people mumbling about nationals was really cool. - Communication is the way forward

The Airlie week used to have more cruisers attending - any idea what happened with them, down south more numbers are turning up at "Rallies" than flat out races.

Love the "Old English hwīta sunnandæg white Sunday, probably named after the ancient custom of wearing white robes at or after baptism" wish I was there

[2_or_3]

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1345153260[/url]' post='3828457']

1345145089[/url]' post='3828250']

so the situation you are painting would be 'operator error'

Isn't it always?

Gooday all you 'folk' - Sure hope you're having a blast. Wish I was down there with you mob.

Bill - "Isn't it always" - may well be a far to - over-simplification - I M H O Whilst I'm sure you might be correct - your comment doesn't get anyone one step forward, does it?

Why not let's all look for a solution - that the owner might listen to - so that there is less - as in - far less - tendency to - - invert - -

How about - 'canting' the hulls - out at 7 degrees - I'm sure someone might be able to explain to him - what the real advantages of doing that are. I'm sure he knows already - but in the heat of this 'happening' I'm sure he's not going to pay head to the likes of me. If he'd like - I'll come-down & give a hand (foc) but I'm sure all you's-guy's are far to smart for me.

Do try that 7 degrees cant-out - though - & then the 'rocket-ship' will want to keep the - big foil on the top of the equation, eh. Ciao, james

..........???? Did i miss something....?

Yeah, please explain about the 7degrees cant out.

[GybeSet®]

wtf not here, its about a regatta
start a thread or just google it

[Bill Gibbs]

Bill - "Isn't it always" - may well be a far to - over-simplification

Sure. I certainly have no knowledge of what happened here, nor do I mean to sound critical of anyone.

In my offical capacity with SoCal multi-hulls (ORCA) I have tracked down tales of every large multi capsize I have ever heard of. Out of a couple dozen capsizes, maybe one was due to boat breakage, a few due to sailing overpowered downwind, stuffing the bows in a wave and truly pitchpoling (should have dumped the spin sheet way sooner), but the majority are lateral roll overs. These can be from a bow stuff followed by a round up, or simply a big puff. The lateral roll overs have all been from not releasing sheets fast enough and/or far enough. Things go wrong. People are surprised. Cleats jam. Sheets tangle. Running backstays can block the boom. I think you need to practice habits that can survive at least three things going wrong. Capsizes are way less fun 30 miles offshore in big seas on a black night. Hopefully they all had their pfds on.

[Silver Raven]

Bill - "Isn't it always" - may well be a far to - over-simplification

Sure. I certainly have no knowledge of what happened here, nor do I mean to sound critical of anyone.

In my offical capacity with SoCal multi-hulls (ORCA) I have tracked down tales of every large multi capsize I have ever heard of. Out of a couple dozen capsizes, maybe one was due to boat breakage, a few due to sailing overpowered downwind, stuffing the bows in a wave and truly pitchpoling (should have dumped the spin sheet way sooner), but the majority are lateral roll overs. These can be from a bow stuff followed by a round up, or simply a big puff. The lateral roll overs have all been from not releasing sheets fast enough and/or far enough. Things go wrong. People are surprised. Cleats jam. Sheets tangle. Running backstays can block the boom. I think you need to practice habits that can survive at least three things going wrong. Capsizes are way less fun 30 miles offshore in big seas on a black night. Hopefully they all had their pfds on.

Gooadey B-G - - Whoa up there. Gybeset got it right.. Wrong place for these comments. I'll be more than happy - another place another time in another forum.

I'm just - up the road - from these great sailing weeks - but - to sick to drive down - so all I want to do is read all about them.

Keep the infor flowing - just like the rum - freely & colourful - thanks to everyone there. Ciao, james

[Bill Gibbs]

Wrong place for these comments

Isn't this Sailing Anarchy?

[Fuller]

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After a hard day racing you really need a beer .So became the jetty fridge

Well what a week of racing and partying. Luckily our boat was in the next pen to the fridge boys, best idea Chippy has ever had.!!
Just a quick thanks to all the local guys that help you out if you have a problem and make you feel so welcome. It's a long way up from
Victoria but well worth it when you get there.
Great sailing, great friends, great week... To Scotty from Rum Bum cheers mate enjoyed your company......

See you next year The Bare will be back!!

[plywoodboy]

Was truly an awesome regatta, and all should come here at least once every cuppla years to pay homage to the most amazing place in a most amazing fleet. We took the van for a week cruising before the regatta, then enjoyed the long and windy races, with potential to do a cynoflip on at least two occasions when the uncleated sheets were dumbed as we drove deep. Results for little tris pretty average on the huge courses with our slower boats copping a double hit with the breeze dying a little at the end of each day. But it is not sheepstations, just a race course as good as a long cruise in company.
Personal highlights in cruising include today in Cockatoo Bay, Cid Harbour sunset, Hill Inlet doing a roast chook on the sand and swapping beers for petrol with the victorians, holding fins with a big manta ray in cataran bay.Race highlights include rounding the second mark in the last race within milimetres of Trilogy, Bare, and Hot Vindy, sitting on the edge close to 20 knots for most of the close reaching legs out to sea, running dead downwind in enough breeze to stay on the same wave all day, and passing supposed glamour 50 plus foot monosslugs EVERY DAY!

Standout performances were on every boat, but seeing J'ouvert and RushHour flying hulls on the big days were pretty special.
Nationals here would be Xsalent.

[wallabyted]

Thanks all for reports and photos, us lurkers out here been drooling. Nice one!

[Robnacra]

Went for a spin up to hammo to check out the hardware currently in the marina. Seeing 2 of the orma 60's parked up in the same marina was awesome. Was also fun flying a hull past all the mono-wackers right up to the marina past the club.

[auscat]

Hot Vindaloo Race 1 Airlie Beach Race week is on u tube but can't figure this new system.Some one with some smarts want to have a go at posting?

[auscat]

http://www.youtube.c...U&feature=share

[auscat]

Thanks eric e would have taken me hours to find that.

[eric e]

hot vindaloo is a prescott firefly right?

built in phuket, thailand?

or older than 2005?

http://www.markpescottmultihulls.com/

[auscat]

Yes a pescott built in Mackay in the 90's.Just had some bow mods done.

[Keith]

Great clip, the curry in a hurry, sails very nicely ...

[janj70]

Yes a pescott built in Mackay in the 90's.Just had some bow mods done.

And took out the back bunk and have sit down cockpits, heaps easier to sail. [how do I get a picture up?]

[eric e]

to add a pic off the net

right click over the pic and select the option "copy image url"

then to repost here click the pic looking box, just under the smiley in the edit box, and paste the url in the box

to add a pic from your computer, click the "more reply options" over at the far bottom right

then use the attach files dialong bottom left choose file/attach this file/ add reply etc.

i see on the prescott site a design for the nz 8.5 mtr rule

seems to be a slightly modified firefly, with a deep cockpit like the GBE and vindaloo

seems none have been built, pity no one has ordered a couple from the thai factory for a container to nz

but the 8.5mtr class does seem to be a bucket racer class

and there are always cheap boats in nz ready to go

[janj70]

Cool will try and upload some more shots.

[janj70]

A little bit of barging at the start

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[Fuller]

Was truly an awesome regatta, and all should come here at least once every cuppla years to pay homage to the most amazing place in a most amazing fleet. We took the van for a week cruising before the regatta, then enjoyed the long and windy races, with potential to do a cynoflip on at least two occasions when the uncleated sheets were dumbed as we drove deep. Results for little tris pretty average on the huge courses with our slower boats copping a double hit with the breeze dying a little at the end of each day. But it is not sheepstations, just a race course as good as a long cruise in company.
Personal highlights in cruising include today in Cockatoo Bay, Cid Harbour sunset, Hill Inlet doing a roast chook on the sand and swapping beers for petrol with the victorians, holding fins with a big manta ray in cataran bay.Race highlights include rounding the second mark in the last race within milimetres of Trilogy, Bare, and Hot Vindy, sitting on the edge close to 20 knots for most of the close reaching legs out to sea, running dead downwind in enough breeze to stay on the same wave all day, and passing supposed glamour 50 plus foot monosslugs EVERY DAY!

Standout performances were on every boat, but seeing J'ouvert and RushHour flying hulls on the big days were pretty special.
Nationals here would be Xsalent.

My highlight was Woody boy getting into trouble for been to loud by his daughter in the sailing club. Always wondered what would make him shut up!! Bloody gold....

[bush sailer]

Was a great regatta with perfect weather. Crew work was first class and OMR results were very close on some days. We had some close racing with Cut Snake , Jouvert and occasionally bulletproof and frassld. bulletproof looked realy nice on the water. We went the wrong way a couple of times and the tides are still a mystery but all very enjoyable. I sailed Rushour back to Hervey bay arrived saturday night to make use of a lack of South Easterly trade winds.(48hour trip)
One thing I do notice from other sailors about dumping sheets in gusts is that they dump the traveller. While this does depower the main it does not do it enough in a bullet situation. Try dumping just the traveller when hit by a bullet on a racing beach cat and you will be swimming. The sheet must be released. Having a system where this is easy to do is critical to safe sailing in heavy conditions.

[auscat]

Was a great regatta with perfect weather. Crew work was first class and OMR results were very close on some days. We had some close racing with Cut Snake , Jouvert and occasionally bulletproof and frassld. bulletproof looked realy nice on the water. We went the wrong way a couple of times and the tides are still a mystery but all very enjoyable. I sailed Rushour back to Hervey bay arrived saturday night to make use of a lack of South Easterly trade winds.(48hour trip)
One thing I do notice from other sailors about dumping sheets in gusts is that they dump the traveller. While this does depower the main it does not do it enough in a bullet situation. Try dumping just the traveller when hit by a bullet on a racing beach cat and you will be swimming. The sheet must be released. Having a system where this is easy to do is critical to safe sailing in heavy conditions.

It was great to actually have boats to race side by side with for a change,rather then spend a day on the water with no idea how you are doing against competion over the horizon.
That reach accross Funnel bay and out to the Molles certainly proved you have full confidence in your crew's ability to dump sheet's quickly.Some really BIG air there at times,a few people made similar comments about us too.Would have been great if someone got some shots of two bridgedeck cats flying hulls together.
We got some gopro shots of you guys but its a bit far away still trying to find out if you can zoom in while edditing.
Was great to see you up here and hope to see you again next year.
Out of interest I redid the results as 2 divisions and it would have been 1st Jouvert,2nd Bulletproof and 3rd Rushhour.

[plywoodboy]

Just got signal again towards the end of an awesome week on Razzle Dazzle Fusion 40 charter with family and came around Solway and through Hammo to see all fleets in a 6knot race . Very sad to see Team Aus hit the bricks and push board back hard on the extended bank of Fitzalan while leading the only other real boat in the fleet. Crazy place for them all to be tacking together with leadmines all over. All sails came down, and a worker under the water helped a bit oftackle upstairs get it clear and motor home much later.

[auscat]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=4182184148420&set=a.1183570504953.28313.1098941139&type=1&theater
Rupert's truck weighing boats.

[Frassld]

So, how's gold finger .....not in OMR ?

Cruisy week away with the wives, cruising sails and small kite (getting Shelley to trim the kite must be fun :-).

Normal service to be resumed at the Wangi nationals.

cheers

Really !!!!

[Frassld]

Well it sure was a fantastic couple of weeks, a big drive (I wish QLD roads were as good as your waterways) a warm welcome at the Whitsundays Sailing Club, thanks Shane for all your help and the trailer parking, 5 days criusing around, petrol for beer with plywood boy, some nice coral, great weather (12 degrees in Melbourne) a special thanks to Rupert for weighing Frassld and others while having to get Overdrive ready himself. Then it was race on and what a fleet with Team Vodaphone what a awsome tri and the open boat and BBQ was great. After race 1 I figured that lots of local knowledge was a big advantage around the Whitsundays with the tidal flows and fickle winds in Pioneer bay. The long distance races were terrific going around the islands and the races around the buoys weren't to bad either. I was great to have regular tussels with J'ouvert, Cut Snake and Rushhour who was normally faster than when experimenting. The great nights back at the booze tent even if just for a yack, then another big drive back to Melbourne. Thanks to Dave and Graham the banana benders and Gary my co driver. And it was great to see Malice win. Shaun

[auscat]

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Some Phs stuff.

[PIL007]

Nice pics Chippy........Can someone tell me what is in the aft pods on Room.....I have not seen these.

[auscat]

Nice pics Chippy........Can someone tell me what is in the aft pods on Room.....I have not seen these.

Double bunks.

[trimariner]

Pill, they just keep adding stuff so theres not much room left but she still gets mobile with a bit of breeze. Got to try and get Gavin to bring EDoc ex Top Gun down next year, as she is still in original trim and would still be fast even in the light stuff. Got to say Shaneo and Chippys Anarchy branded beer fridge on the dock was one of the highlights. Wish I had of had enough energy left after hanging on tight on Team V to take advantage of it! Had to go straight home for a Nana nap and then slept right through both days! As the Wolverines sang so well last year, "It was a bloody great week to go sailing"

[auscat]

http://youtu.be/X9fD1jobZt8 Nacra getting monstered by Vodaphone off the start.

[Keith]

That's some awesome horse power...

[Fuller]

Nice pics Chippy........Can someone tell me what is in the aft pods on Room.....I have not seen these.

Double bunks.

They may call them double bunks, but you would want to be friendly with the person next to you.
The roof is low as well, so don't crack a fat, or you will be jammed in.

[green boat]

Nice pics Chippy........Can someone tell me what is in the aft pods on Room.....I have not seen these.

Double bunks.

They may call them double bunks, but you would want to be friendly with the person next to you.
The roof is low as well, so don't crack a fat, or you will be jammed in.

Height above a bed is referred to, on another forum as "humping height" lol

[green boat]

Nacra getting monstered by Vodaphone off the start.

I feel the same way every month when I get my "Vodafail" bill ----- monstered by a greater force

[Speng]

Enjoy the view from IntrIIgue yesterday. Just shows how tough the F24 rig is, and how silly it is to stay indoors on a cold windy day.

Must be time to head to warmer waters….soon....

Enjoy.

Obviously one of those "hold onto the rags at all costs" kinda crackheads especially since he maybe could've carried the screacher. What was that SB you rolled? You're on an F27 right?

[Speng]

Bulletproof is purty what is she?

[Speng]

Sorry should've made use of this interwebby thing.... it's a Schionning G Force

[Fuller]

Nice pics Chippy........Can someone tell me what is in the aft pods on Room.....I have not seen these.

Double bunks.

They may call them double bunks, but you would want to be friendly with the person next to you.
The roof is low as well, so don't crack a fat, or you will be jammed in.

Height above a bed is referred to, on another forum as "humping height" lol

DEFINITELY NO HUMPING HEIGHT!!!!!

[plywoodboy]

Yeah Speng, on an F27, someone has to keep the force balanced and sail the heritage listed (but awesome) old boats.
The F24 could have even 2-sailed it, he admits to a brain snap under pressure.
The SB is Out Of Orbit, 30 ft designed and built by a naval architect in our club, and actually a computer cut plywood boat that ended up with some nice curves (but don't tell him I said that).

[plywoodboy]

Pic of the SB fyi.

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[Dale dug a hole]

Hey Plywood, is there any vid of somebody relieving themselves?

Always look for were the gopro is before having a piss

[plywoodboy]

Yeah Dale, we found the off switch after that race you did, the fisheye lens will never recover.
Hope all is well now I have deserted the north, but we are planning already for next year.