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#1 Rex II

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:06 PM

Just read this and wanted to pass it on to all of those waiting for J70 news.

J/70 Progress Report,by Don Finkle:


As mentioned above I was able to meet Al Johnstone at the factory in Bristol, RI for a thorough review of this new design while in the early stages of production.

The CCF Plant currently builds the J/111, J/95 and the North Coast powerboat line, as well as the new 22.75' LOA J/70. This is a large, totally modern and clean facility fully capable of cranking out J/70s in volume. Al and his father Rod combine efforts on the design of every new J/boat. Al is responsible for most of the details so it was especially enlightening to be able to go over the boat part by part and listen to his explanations for everything they are doing. I came away even more impressed than I was expecting to be.

Three hulls had already been pulled from the mold and the deck mold was near completion (by the time you read this it should be completed). I also saw the molds for the keel and the five fiberglass bulkheads. The keel is built much like a rudder is, with two fiberglass skins bonded around the stainless steel internal structure and lead ballast. The result of this method is that the finished keel is smooth gelcoat and does not require fairing. The lead is all in the bulb and is poured to weight. The retracting keel is raised and lowered via an aluminum crane similar to that used on a Melges 24, but as Al proudly pointed out he feels that they have improved somewhat on the retracting keel system. The boat is intended to be easily ramp-launchable and from what I could see that should be no problem at all, especially with a deck-stepped carbon mast.

That brings us to the rig, which will be a complete carbon package from Southern Spars, including mast, boom, spreaders, extended mast crane and sprit. Al has paid a lot of attention to the deck layout and with an 11 foot cockpit length there is plenty of room for 3-4 people to sit comfortably and move about. The helmsman can sit aft of the traveler, straddling it, or forward, as conditions dictate. Since there is no need to go forward (kite set and douses from the hatch, jib on a roller furler) there is no bow pulpit. Low-height padded lifelines dive down forward and there are two corner rails at the stern to enclose the cockpit. Plans at this point are for the motor to attach to a simple fixed bracket on the transom.

Al explained the new design Harken below-deck jib furler and it sounded like a real neat solution. Unlike some furlers where you need to leave the jib up because it supports the rig, on this new Harken system the jib can be lowered and stowed if desired since there is a forestay. Jib sheets will be 2:1 for racing but can also be run to the cockpit winches, which are there primarily for the spinnaker sheets. Unlike some recent designs there is backstay to play with.

Looking at the deck layout the three-sail inventory appears like it will be easy to manage and fun. The vang is conventional since there is the small deckhouse below it and as such you will be ducking behind the vang instead of under it when tacking or jibing. The boom is of moderate height for safety and convenience.

The area below deck will not be spacious but you will be able to get out of the weather, change clothes, use a bucket, and store the motor and gear. There are air tanks fore and aft for flotation. For ease of maintenance and longevity there is no wood that I could see. This is not a big boat but all the key elements are there

and appear to be really well thought-out. As Al said "small boats are harder", there is limited room and weight to work with and cost is a bigger factor. Accordingly they have examined each aspect of this boat's design and engineering and the thought that has gone into it is obvious. I really should not go into more of the details in this format but can answer questions if you contact me. The first two boats are due to be launched in mid-March and will be kept in Newport for two-boat sail testing. Various sailmakers are already lined up for these tests. Stay tuned for further updates as we move along. We are super anxious to get our first boat in May!




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http://www.rcryachts.com/

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:43 PM

LOL - I'm looking for the first write ups on the U20 could almost be a cut and paste with carbon swapped in for aluminum. Only so much you can do with 20ft folks its just a matter of when you get in the game 15yrs ago or now.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:07 PM

So what does this new J70 cost?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:00 AM

So what does this new J70 cost?

45k

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:16 AM

LOL - I'm looking for the first write ups on the U20 could almost be a cut and paste with carbon swapped in for aluminum. Only so much you can do with 20ft folks its just a matter of when you get in the game 15yrs ago or now.



While your'e at it why don't you look for that article about the Gary Mull designed Wildrness 21 with the swing keel?
Another one of your expert observations
LOL

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:29 AM

So what does this new J70 cost?

44,900 usd including delivery to Seattle, trailer and choice of Quantum or North class sails.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:15 AM

the JBoats website has no specs other than the length. What's the weight, sail area etc?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:16 PM

the JBoats website has no specs other than the length. What's the weight, sail area etc?


If you believe this link:
http://www.northpoin...70_Sailplan.pdf

Displacement is 1600 lbs and SA/D upwind is 33. If you were bored enough you could derive the sail area given those 2 numbers.

Some more info is here:
http://www.northpoin...cifications.pdf

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:29 PM


the JBoats website has no specs other than the length. What's the weight, sail area etc?


If you believe this link:
http://www.northpoin...70_Sailplan.pdf

Displacement is 1600 lbs and SA/D upwind is 33. If you were bored enough you could derive the sail area given those 2 numbers.

Some more info is here:
http://www.northpoin...cifications.pdf

I heard weight was going to be closer to 1800 lbs. First ones should be assembled soon. When they are, can someone please confirm the displacement spec. Thank you.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:06 PM

Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?


The 70 is also a foot and a half longer than the U20. Your point?

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:27 AM

Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

Not sure what fleet price means, but you can buy one now in Seattle with trailer and sails for 44,900 from the J dealer there, with delivery in June.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:29 PM

It means another piece of great marketing. If they called it the introductory price, that doesn't imply a OD class. By calling it a "fleet price", it implies there is a fleet or that fleets are forming now....Rather subtle but good.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:18 AM

It means another piece of great marketing. If they called it the introductory price, that doesn't imply a OD class. By calling it a "fleet price", it implies there is a fleet or that fleets are forming now....Rather subtle but good.

Interesting, thanks.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:17 AM


Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

Not sure what fleet price means, but you can buy one now in Seattle with trailer and sails for 44,900 from the J dealer there, with delivery in June.



source?

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:38 PM



Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

Not sure what fleet price means, but you can buy one now in Seattle with trailer and sails for 44,900 from the J dealer there, with delivery in June.



source?



that's what my price sheet from the Annapolis J dealer says...plus tax...

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:43 PM

Good price.
Just for comparison a new Santana 22 (5 ksb) with racing option and trailer + sails goes for close to $40,000.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:49 PM

Good comparison the what? Hell ANYTHING over 20' cost $40K delivered new. No way around it. Hand built products with low numbers are ALL gonna be expensive.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:10 PM

Viper 640 full-on, finished and ready to go with sails, trailer etc = under 35

The J70's a lot more boat... but "hell anything over 20' cost $40K delivered new" is wrong

or you can sacrifice a foot and get a 19' VX for 30 with sails and trailer.

just sayin'

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:44 AM



Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

Not sure what fleet price means, but you can buy one now in Seattle with trailer and sails for 44,900 from the J dealer there, with delivery in June.



source?

Bob Ross, J dealer, Sail NW

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:21 AM

Good comparison the what? Hell ANYTHING over 20' cost $40K delivered new. No way around it. Hand built products with low numbers are ALL gonna be expensive.


Agree that J70 is at an attractive price point. Hell, a polyester bog glass tin rig Slonar is $43k.

But you can get under $40k for over 20'. Comparing fleet price with fleet price, a 21' Viper on trailer with sails is $31,500.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:08 PM


Good comparison the what? Hell ANYTHING over 20' cost $40K delivered new. No way around it. Hand built products with low numbers are ALL gonna be expensive.


Agree that J70 is at an attractive price point. Hell, a polyester bog glass tin rig Slonar is $43k.

But you can get under $40k for over 20'. Comparing fleet price with fleet price, a 21' Viper on trailer with sails is $31,500.

yes, the viper is a seriously good deal by comoparison...

so, the difference between the viper at $31K, and J70 at $45K is dealer markup, marketing/promotion, and the added inefficiency of paying for Jboats corp OH....hard to see that the build spec between the boats is more than a couple of grand...

that said, many J buyers probably won't care about the price spread unless it gets really large.....I'm thinking that the breaking point is probably at 2X the viper price.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:23 PM

over twice as heavy = enough raw materials to build 2.n Vipes

there a cost there

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:33 PM

over twice as heavy = enough raw materials to build 2.n Vipes

there a cost there

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:40 PM

that said, many J buyers probably won't care about the price spread unless it gets really large.....I'm thinking that the breaking point is probably at 2X the viper price.


Don't you think resale figures in big?

Did the Left Coast Dart, loaded up (70K+) sell yet?

Those brand names (Honda, J Boat, etc.) have real value. Heck, I got $800 for my three year old apple macbook....which cost me $1100 new. Try that with a no name machine!

The Direct Sales model has a lot of advantages - but disadvantages too. Many of those folks who are successful at direct sales spend a LOT for each unit on marketing...much more than a dealer based product.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:50 AM



Good comparison the what? Hell ANYTHING over 20' cost $40K delivered new. No way around it. Hand built products with low numbers are ALL gonna be expensive.


Agree that J70 is at an attractive price point. Hell, a polyester bog glass tin rig Slonar is $43k.

But you can get under $40k for over 20'. Comparing fleet price with fleet price, a 21' Viper on trailer with sails is $31,500.

yes, the viper is a seriously good deal by comoparison...

so, the difference between the viper at $31K, and J70 at $45K is dealer markup, marketing/promotion, and the added inefficiency of paying for Jboats corp OH....hard to see that the build spec between the boats is more than a couple of grand...

that said, many J buyers probably won't care about the price spread unless it gets really large.....I'm thinking that the breaking point is probably at 2X the viper price.


Gybeset is right. There is alot more "boat" to the J/70. Materials equal cost. On a dollar per pound basis the Viper costs more. But that is hardly relevant. The boats are very different. They will likely appeal to 2 different type of sailors. Despite the 271 lbs of ballast, the Viper is a big dinghy. The J/70 is more a small keel boat that may plane downwind in moderate plus winds. One is a completely open boat. The other has a cuddy and enough privacy to use the porti-potty or bucket without the whole fleet watching. I suspect there will be few cases of a sailor shopping both boats seriously....but I might be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:22 AM

Does the J70 have a kelp cutter? Would be nice in Southern California. (I know the Melges 24 has one)

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:20 PM

Does the J70 have a kelp cutter? Would be nice in Southern California. (I know the Melges 24 has one)

According to the specs http://www.northpoin...cifications.pdf it does (will).

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 05:05 PM




Isn't the U20 1,200 lbs ?

the $44,500 for the J/70 is a Fleet price isn't it ?

Not sure what fleet price means, but you can buy one now in Seattle with trailer and sails for 44,900 from the J dealer there, with delivery in June.



source?

Bob Ross, J dealer, Sail NW

Also ran across this..
http://www.northpointyachtsales.com/index.php/new-jboats/j70/189

Base price: $39,850. Add trailer and sails: $44,900.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:14 PM

I suggest J's marketing machine set up a tour in Bristol just for SA and other "insiders" close by.....
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

Southern California J/70's are here and are available. Check out our website (www.SoCalJ70.com) for more information. Make sure to check back for upcoming events, deals, fleet updates, etc.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:23 AM

Are they $54k ?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

J Boat offered special 'Fleet Pricing' that expired at the end of September. The 2013 Base price was revised from the 2012 number, contact your dealer for pricing.

The Base Price and trailer price is standard from dealer to dealer. Make sure to contact your local dealer for pricing, and let them know if any special 'deals' are offered through another dealer. Your local dealer will work to get you the best freight pricing (by bundling with other boats) and sail pricing.

J Boats is very good at responding to requests, and will be happy to get you to locate dealers throughout the US. Go to http://www.jboats.com/inquiry.htm

J Boats in Southern California can be found at the following website: www.SoCalJ70.com or by email info@jk3yachts.com

Have fun!

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

Does Kenny Kieding in Santa Barbara have his own J/Boats dealership, too?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

Does Kenny Kieding in Santa Barbara have his own J/Boats dealership, too?

Yes he does, The Chandlery

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

Anyone here know the contact name and info for the J70 fleet in Cleveland? Believe it's fleet #3.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

http://www.j70class....s-rules/fleets/

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

Rich Nesbett at eyc is the fleet captain..I think

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Gracias




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