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[nichdiep]

What's the rumor I heard about Defiance running aground in sh?

[OffShore Sam]

What's the rumor I heard about Defiance running aground in sh?

Its not a rumor. She tried and tried. Couldn't get in. May have had better luck coming from the south, but there was a bit of a swell and I cannot blame them for giving. They were right in front of us and kept getting hung up even before they entered the pier heads.

[barleymalt]

What's the rumor I heard about Defiance running aground in sh?

Its not a rumor. She tried and tried. Couldn't get in. May have had better luck coming from the south, but there was a bit of a swell and I cannot blame them for giving. They were right in front of us and kept getting hung up even before they entered the pier heads.

That was Denali.

[nichdiep]

I heard they missed the pier heads... Ended up stuck north of the pier.

[Heriberto]

Apparently on the starboard jtack jib reach (95% of the race), north side had the velo, so of course we had stayed on the south side (just 1/2 mile south of the NOAA bouy). When the fan shut off in the morning, the south side had the velo, and we used it passing dozens of boats, but too little, too late....

Didn't realize the real beauty of a night race is: no black flies!

[Heriberto]

Anybody get a picture of the finish line committee boat? It was a cool site in that early morning haze. We were trying to beat a boat across the line and I didn't have time to snap a pic.

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How's this?

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or this?

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[Heriberto]

or this?

That's awesome Flicker. We were expecting to see Jack Sparrow jumping off a yard-arm. That was really cool.

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and up the river

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[Heriberto]

Thanks loads man. My son was really wanting pictures and my phone kept dying so I was slacking. This is really great stuff and will keep him happy.

Post yer race pics here too, anybody!

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CleanMachine

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[Heriberto]

There's a limit....

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THE FINISH

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[billr]

Results posted anywhere?

[Lazy Guy]

Results posted anywhere?

Yep. Online.

[haz]

Results posted anywhere?

Yep. Online. Here.

Fixed that for you.

Odd the results show no overall placement (yet?). Looks like Twister may have the top spot. Edit ... a nod to High Priority who crushed the monohull fleet!

Anyone have a copy of the Tripp race results?

Haz

[Brum]

Tripp Cup aboard Que Loco!!

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[Brum]

Couple of night shots from Tripp/Queen's aboard Que Loco!!

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[Grinder]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

[WarBird]

Big shout out for the "Rafiki" girls, 2nd in a crowded division.

[ettan]

Results posted anywhere?

Yep. Online. Here.

Fixed that for you.

Odd the results show no overall placement (yet?). Looks like Twister may have the top spot. Edit ... a nod to High Priority who crushed the monohull fleet!

Anyone have a copy of the Tripp race results?

Haz

tks haz. fun series for high priority.

ettan

[Great_lakes_racer]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

[billr]

Results posted anywhere?

Yep. Online. Here.

Fixed that for you.

Odd the results show no overall placement (yet?). Looks like Twister may have the top spot. Edit ... a nod to High Priority who crushed the monohull fleet!

Anyone have a copy of the Tripp race results?

Haz

Thanks. Google wasn't helping.

[MR.CLEAN]

Meredith Block Photos/www.blocksail.com

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[chicagosos]

Meredith Block Photos/www.blocksail.com

Awesome shots! I wish I was grinding on starboard in the last photo, but I was on port and alas only my nose is visible.

I need to get in touch with her, would love some of those photos for the rest of the Defiance gang.

[BayRacer]

Anybody know why Main Street bowed out? Uncharacteristic for Schanen family to miss this race.

[Sailor90]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

[fetzer24]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

Puma was way faster. They were 3 miles ahead 3 miles from the finish.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

[barleymalt]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

Puma was way faster. They were 3 miles ahead 3 miles from the finish.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.

[lartaunt]

Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.


Somebody's math is wrong. Puma fiinshed 50 minutes ahead of Windancer but owed them 99 seconds a mile with a PHRF of -168 per the posted results.

[Sledder]

Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.


Somebody's math is wrong. Puma fiinshed 50 minutes ahead of Windancer but owed them 99 seconds a mile with a PHRF of -168 per the posted results.

Winddancer and Windquest are different boats.....just a wee bit.

[fetzer24]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

Puma was way faster. They were 3 miles ahead 3 miles from the finish.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.

I realize that you usually know everything but that's what happened......Unfortunately your smeller doesn't have the scent of a Volvo 70 identified.

I'll leave it to you guys to figure out "the rest of the story!"

[tbg]

Went out and watched the start, when Puma tacked and accelerated it was like a power boat going up on plane, amazing. Also noticed how small Merlin looked compared to the other boats in that division and she is 68 feet.

[MR.CLEAN]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

A VO70 is faster than a MaxZ86 in everything but upwind work, and probably even then. Il Mostro blew it, but it was their first race and that's not a surprise. 70s are such a fucking weapon!

FWIW, I believe only one crew had any VO70 experience, and that was Brad Van Liew, whose experience comes almost entirely from the stripped out VO70 Maserati over the past six months.

[chicagosos]

So Windquest beat Puma to finish by 10 min, eh.

Indeed. Hopefully puma gets some good practice in before the mac.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.

A VO70 is faster than a MaxZ86 in everything but upwind work, and probably even then. Il Mostro blew it, but it was their first race and that's not a surprise. 70s are such a fucking weapon!

FWIW, I believe only one crew had any VO70 experience, and that was Brad Van Liew, whose experience comes almost entirely from the stripped out VO70 Maserati over the past six months.

Wait, Brad Van Liew is sailing on Il Mostro. Nice.

Is is true that Kenny is coming in for Chicago Mac?

Any word on why they withdrew from Bayview?

[MR.CLEAN]

Last I heard, Kenny was coming in for Mac, but that was over a month ago. Brad agreed to do some stuff for us this summer, he is definitely on the boat (I think he is the boat captain for QC and Mac)

[chicagosos]

Last I heard, Kenny was coming in for Mac, but that was over a month ago. Brad agreed to do some stuff for us this summer, he is definitely on the boat (I think he is the boat captain for QC and Mac)

When you say you, do you mean writing for SA or sailing on Natalie J?

[Great_lakes_racer]

Last I heard, Kenny was coming in for Mac, but that was over a month ago. Brad agreed to do some stuff for us this summer, he is definitely on the boat (I think he is the boat captain for QC and Mac)

If kenny is coming in, he's not on the crew list yet ( http://competitor.cy...ail.cfm?ID=1284 ) not that those are very accurate.

[Great_lakes_racer]

Went out and watched the start, when Puma tacked and accelerated it was like a power boat going up on plane, amazing. Also noticed how small Merlin looked compared to the other boats in that division and she is 68 feet.

Merlin is much more narrow than the rest of the fleet, which can make her look a lot smaller. She also was using a very small jib from what I coul see.

[MR.CLEAN]

Last I heard, Kenny was coming in for Mac, but that was over a month ago. Brad agreed to do some stuff for us this summer, he is definitely on the boat (I think he is the boat captain for QC and Mac)

When you say you, do you mean writing for SA or sailing on Natalie J?

Sorry, writing for SA.

I am not regular crew on NJ, my summers are too full of traveling for it unfortunately. Sharon (BO's SO) told me on Thursday when she gave me a Hanes cotton NJ shirt that "when you do more than one race a year with us, we'll get you a real crew shirt!"

[lartaunt]

Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.


Somebody's math is wrong. Puma fiinshed 50 minutes ahead of Windancer but owed them 99 seconds a mile with a PHRF of -168 per the posted results.

Winddancer and Windquest are different boats.....just a wee bit.

Whooops! My bad!

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Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.


Somebody's math is wrong. Puma fiinshed 50 minutes ahead of Windancer but owed them 99 seconds a mile with a PHRF of -168 per the posted results.

Winddancer and Windquest are different boats.....just a wee bit.

Have you seen the movie "Wind"?

[OffShore Sam]

Puma was way faster. They were 3 miles ahead 3 miles from the finish.

It was a reaching race, Windquest has 14 ft of waterline over Puma.
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Three miles ahead three miles from the finish and got beat by ten minutes in those conditions?. Sorry, but that doesn't pass the smell test.
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I realize that you usually know everything but that's what happened......Unfortunately your smeller doesn't have the scent of a Volvo 70 identified.

I'll leave it to you guys to figure out "the rest of the story!"
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Yep, and the rest of the story is that Puma was never ahead by more than 1.5 miles and was to the North of Windquest by about 2.5 miles. The three ahead with three to go was crap, and that is the rest of the story

[dyslexic dog]

Sam, was there any truth to the story of a finish on the wrong side of the committe boat?

[OffShore Sam]

Sam, was there any truth to the story of a finish on the wrong side of the committe boat?

Not that I am aware of, but I did not ask. When we finished they did not have the pin end out yet, so I am sure that it was also not out when Windquest and Puma finished. That makes finishing on the wrong side more excuseable. Also, I bet that in the discussions of the pin not being out somehow the story got changed to a finish on the wrong side of the mark. Sounds more likely...

[boyscout]

Sam, was there any truth to the story of a finish on the wrong side of the committe boat?

Not that I am aware of, but I did not ask. When we finished they did not have the pin end out yet, so I am sure that it was also not out when Windquest and Puma finished. That makes finishing on the wrong side more excuseable.  Also, I bet that in the discussions of the pin not being out somehow the story got changed to a finish on the wrong side of the mark. Sounds more likely...

Well I've been a little more than missing from the good old forms for a few months so here we go, what happened from on the WQ:
Well yes they, VO70, did cross the line on the wrong side. If the pin is missing the SI's show the boat to port. Want the real story here it is. We on WQ out jiged them and that's how we beat them across the line. A little less then half way across the 70 went to the large Mast Head Genoa, the one that tacks to the sprit and trims to the back ov the boat, this sail is a bow down go fast sail "not the right one to put up" in the words of one of our trimmers who sailed in the last volvo race on Ericson. The 70 had trouble hoisting that sail and dropping the inner genoa so they had to turn DDW for a bit to take the jib down. The big genoa dropped them way below rumbline and our navigator told us to stay high because he said there would be a shift to the east and we would have trouble laying the finish.

That's what happened to the 70 they went way to the north and had issues getting back to the south, on our AIS the largest lead they had was only 1.25 nm and by the time they got south to the finish we were a few boat lengths behind, they crosses the finish boat on the wrong side we crossed on the correct side to get a gun (to our surprise) I think the 70 was surprised also because they did a crash gybe to get back to the finish line but at the same time the wind went from 12 TWS to 27 as the front came in. I think that's why it took them 10 min to get back to the line; both the 70 and us were scrambling to get the big furling genoas down before something went bad.

It was a good race and for sure a race perfect for the 70 (15 TWS and reaching) it will be interesting to see how they do with us in the Mac. A few years ago the ABN came to race and we couldn't see them behind us by sunset. And we are now a different boat then 4-5 years ago, back then we still had a pin head main and spinn poles. It's great to see more big boats on the lakes and it should be a fun Chicago Mac, it's just too bad they aren't over here getting ready for the Bayview Mac.

[MR.CLEAN]

Thanks for the explanation Brian. See ya in Chicago bro.