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[I'moutahere]

Julia?

Rudd?

Swan?

Crean?

Some other faceless fool?

Ah. The soap opera of Labour politics. Couldn't write this stuff for a movie.

[dreadom]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

[Damaged Goods]

You fail to show us all your wife/girlfriend/daughter (>18) tits and we'll send you Rick Santorum or Sarah Palin over to be the PM of the Downunder! What time's the barbie and pass the vegimite, would ya mate!

[I'moutahere]

It's on for young & old now. The whole house of cards is about to come down.

[dreadom]

You fail to show us all your wife/girlfriend/daughter (>18) tits and we'll send you Rick Santorum or Sarah Palin over to be the PM of the Downunder! What time's the barbie and pass the vegimite, would ya mate!

A. It's the interweb, find your own porn.
B. Rick and Sarah might get a senate seat here but religious right wing cronies whilst tolerated inevitably fail to thrive.
C. The barbie is at six, only vegie sausages on my grill. Vegemite Sanger for lunch. If you can behave? Your welcome to join us.

[I'moutahere]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

[dreadom]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

Can't see Kevin getting the numbers. Be great if there was a third option. But who? Creen, Wong, Garrett, Shorten? My pick would be Smith.

[I'moutahere]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

Can't see Kevin getting the numbers. Be great if there was a third option. But who? Creen, Wong, Garrett, Shorten? My pick would be Smith.

If it was up to the people, Rudd would be a shoo in. But it is the "faceless men" who will decide, not the people. God help us if any of your first four get up.

[dreadom]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

Can't see Kevin getting the numbers. Be great if there was a third option. But who? Creen, Wong, Garrett, Shorten? My pick would be Smith.

If it was up to the people, Rudd would be a shoo in. But it is the "faceless men" who will decide, not the people. God help us if any of your first four get up.

The faceless men being the members of the ALP caucas. Kevin has done a great job of playing the victim. Dumbest thing Julia did since her coup d'etat was letting kev stay on the front bench.

[GRUMPY]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

Can't see Kevin getting the numbers. Be great if there was a third option. But who? Creen, Wong, Garrett, Shorten? My pick would be Smith.

If it was up to the people, Rudd would be a shoo in. But it is the "faceless men" who will decide, not the people. God help us if any of your first four get up.

The faceless men being the members of the ALP caucas. Kevin has done a great job of playing the victim. Dumbest thing Julia did since her coup d'etat was letting kev stay on the front bench.

I think getting in to bed with the greens & independents was the dumbest thing she did. Left us with a govt that can't govern.

That and all the lies & broken promises.

Call the election, let the people decide who governs.

[dreadom]

Leadership ballot, 10.00 Monday. A new PM? Let the feathers fly.

Can't see Kevin getting the numbers. Be great if there was a third option. But who? Creen, Wong, Garrett, Shorten? My pick would be Smith.

If it was up to the people, Rudd would be a shoo in. But it is the "faceless men" who will decide, not the people. God help us if any of your first four get up.

The faceless men being the members of the ALP caucas. Kevin has done a great job of playing the victim. Dumbest thing Julia did since her coup d'etat was letting kev stay on the front bench.

I think getting in to bed with the greens & independents was the dumbest thing she did. Left us with a govt that can't govern.

That and all the lies & broken promises.

Call the election, let the people decide who governs.

Actually quite a lot of legislation has passed. What you mean is they are not governing the way you want it. Boohoo, fill yer boots and grope another bargirl/boy NTTIAWT.

[ease the sheet!]

does it really matter?

[dreadom]

does it really matter?

Probably not.

[GRUMPY]

Actually quite a lot of legislation has passed. What you mean is they are not governing the way you want it. Boohoo, fill yer boots and grope another bargirl/boy NTTIAWT.

Grow up dickhead. I meant what I wrote.

What did you mean with your childish comment? You're being weak as piss.

[dreadom]

Actually quite a lot of legislation has passed. What you mean is they are not governing the way you want it. Boohoo, fill yer boots and grope another bargirl/boy NTTIAWT.

Grow up dickhead. I meant what I wrote.

What did you mean with your childish comment? You're being weak as piss.

Just responding with your own catch phrase. I meant what I wrote.

[GRUMPY]

Actually quite a lot of legislation has passed. What you mean is they are not governing the way you want it. Boohoo, fill yer boots and grope another bargirl/boy NTTIAWT.

Grow up dickhead. I meant what I wrote.

What did you mean with your childish comment? You're being weak as piss.

Just responding with your own catch phrase. I meant what I wrote.

"Catch phrase"?? When did I accuse you of groping bar staff?

You seem to have created a stereotype in your mind of expats in Indo (we grope people) & Indonesians (they're there to be groped).

It's completely fucked up JBTW.

[El Mariachi]

Whoever it is (for your sakes), I hope he/she is not connected to the fukwits who signed off on this piece of shit idea. Really you guys, haven't you been watching wtf is happening to Greece and England lately? Do y'all truly wanna emulate those f'ng loser countries? .....



Australia, aiming for surplus, hikes taxes on rich
Associated PressBy ROD McGUIRK | Associated Press – Tue, Feb 14, 2012

CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Australian lawmakers on Wednesday narrowly approved tax hikes for the wealthy that will help the government meet its pledge to deliver a budget surplus next year.

The legislation will limit the availability of a 30 percent tax rebate on health insurance premiums to lower- and middle-income earners. Currently all taxpayers can claim the rebate. But from July 1, individuals earning more than 129,000 Australian dollars ($137,800) a year and couples with joint incomes exceeding AU$258,000 will no longer be eligible. They are expected to pay, respectively, around AU$500 and AU$1,000 extra a year on average.

The cap will cost wealthy earners a total of AU$2.4 billion over three years.

The bill scraped through the House of Representatives on Wednesday by 71 votes to 70. It is assured passage through the Senate early this year with the guaranteed support of the center-left Labor Party government senators and those from the minor Greens party.

Tony Abbott, leader of the conservative opposition coalition, accused the government this week of playing the "politics of the class war" by increasing the tax burden on the wealthy.

He warned that wealthy people would give up their private health insurance and add pressure on the public health system. Currently 45 percent of Australians hold private health insurance.

But Health Minister Tanya Plibersek said the current rebate system was not fair to poorer Australians.

"I don't want a situation where the people who sit (in parliament) ... have their private health insurance subsidized by the people who clean this chamber at night," Plibersek told the House of Representatives.

The government announced in November last year that it will deliver a narrow surplus of AU$1.5 billion in the next fiscal year beginning July 1, 2012, despite the European debt crisis slashing revenue by AU$20 billion over four years, mainly through lower company tax yields.

The new surplus target is AU$2 billion less than the government had forecast in May 2011 due to the country's deteriorating finances.

The health-insurance rebate cut is the latest of several tax increases.

In July 2011, the government introduced a temporary tax to help pay the multibillion-dollar damage bill left by record floods and storms. The levy — 0.5 percent on incomes between AU$50,000 and AU$100,000, and a 1 percent on taxable incomes above that — was expected to raise AU$1.8 billion.

From July 2012, the government will place a new 30 percent tax on big mining companies whose profits have boomed largely due to Chinese demand for iron ore and coal. The tax is expected to raise almost AU$9 billion in three years.

Revenue raised from a carbon tax, which will also be imposed on Australia's largest greenhouse gas-polluting companies beginning in July, will be paid back to low-income earners as compensation for higher prices, and spent on industry assistance to help businesses adapt to a lower-carbon economy.

[dreadom]

Actually quite a lot of legislation has passed. What you mean is they are not governing the way you want it. Boohoo, fill yer boots and grope another bargirl/boy NTTIAWT.

Grow up dickhead. I meant what I wrote.

What did you mean with your childish comment? You're being weak as piss.

Just responding with your own catch phrase. I meant what I wrote.

"Catch phrase"?? When did I accuse you of groping bar staff?

You seem to have created a stereotype in your mind of expats in Indo (we grope people) & Indonesians (they're there to be groped).

It's completely fucked up JBTW.

Fill yer boots.

Your posts perpetuate the stereotypes. I was merely casting a lure.

Back to the Julie and Kevin show.

[GRUMPY]

No, that's not casting a lure. It's making cheap & nasty insults for the sake of it, quite pathetic really.

[highndry]

I like the way kevvie made the announcement at 1.00 am, in new york,

to be followed by a statement

when he returns

on FRIDAY

you won't see the sun in cant berra for flying knives

until after then


.......... and which of the wanky independents will give up first ?

[dreadom]

No, that's not casting a lure. It's making cheap & nasty insults for the sake of it, quite pathetic really.

Boohoo you dopey shelia.

Do you mean pathetic and nasty like the shit you slung at me because you didn't want to accept that Wifebeater is used by some in Australia to describe a truckies singlet? Then yeah probably.

[highndry]

now, now girls

play fair



--------------- not like labour or the greens or the independents or the factional " leaders " or juliar or heavie kevvie

[El Mariachi]

now, now girls

play fair



--------------- not like labour or the greens or the independents or the factional " leaders " or juliar or heavie kevvie

Which one of those are pro personal defense/castle doctrine-ish/private gun ownership?.....

[dreadom]

now, now girls

play fair



--------------- not like labour or the greens or the independents or the factional " leaders " or juliar or heavie kevvie

Which one of those are pro personal defense/castle doctrine-ish/private gun ownership?.....

Neither Rick. You'd hate all of them.

[godolkin]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

[godolkin]

now, now girls

play fair



--------------- not like labour or the greens or the independents or the factional " leaders " or juliar or heavie kevvie

Which one of those are pro personal defense/castle doctrine-ish/private gun ownership?.....

As Dreadom said - you would hate them all! Even our conservatives are only a bit to the right of your democrats

[GRUMPY]

[dreadom]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

Exactly. I broke all my Midnight Oil albums after that one. All they needed was Peter Garrett to come balls out and name/shame and incarcerate a couple of the shonky installers and we might still have the policy in place. And country with subsidized insulation so we use less fossil fuel. instead we got Peter and Kevin dropping the bundle. Sadly reminiscent of Gough.

[El Mariachi]

now, now girls

play fair



--------------- not like labour or the greens or the independents or the factional " leaders " or juliar or heavie kevvie

Which one of those are pro personal defense/castle doctrine-ish/private gun ownership?.....

Neither Rick. You'd hate all of them.

Oh well, there's always 2264.......

[Bent Sailor]

Honestly, I reckon it'll be Julia, though I would probably prefer Kevin.

Given how strongly the pro-Gillard politicians have been slamming Rudd in the media today (one after the other coming out to take a shot on Sky News), I reckon they are worried he might be able to convince a enough votes to his side. A confident faction doesn't take to the public to slam their opposing factions - they simply let the votes do the talking. A rattled one goes on the attack and that's what we're seeing.

I don't think the problem for Gillard has anything to do with siding with the Greens & Independents. She did that AFTER the election resulted in a minority government. She was somewhat on the nose before she made the deals, it's just that Abbott is/as moreso.

[dreadom]

Honestly, I reckon it'll be Julia, though I would probably prefer Kevin.

Given how strongly the pro-Gillard politicians have been slamming Rudd in the media today (one after the other coming out to take a shot on Sky News), I reckon they are worried he might be able to convince a enough votes to his side. A confident faction doesn't take to the public to slam their opposing factions - they simply let the votes do the talking. A rattled one goes on the attack and that's what we're seeing.

I don't think the problem for Gillard has anything to do with siding with the Greens & Independents. She did that AFTER the election resulted in a minority government. She was somewhat on the nose before she made the deals, it's just that Abbott is/as moreso.

+1

[I'moutahere]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

Penny Wong? You're fucking joking. She thinks she's a father.

[godolkin]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

Penny Wong? You're fucking joking. She thinks she's a father.

SO? of all the people the ALP could forward she's the only one with a brain and any credability left

[I'moutahere]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

Penny Wong? You're fucking joking. She thinks she's a father.

SO? of all the people the ALP could forward she's the only one with a brain and any credability left

You must be joking.

[godolkin]

It will still be Julia, Unfortunately. Not that I think Kevin would be any better. The ALP had some great ideas when they came into power, just have failed again and again to turn them into reality.

Don't think the ALP is alone in their soap opera dramas. The Libs had their go with Howard and Costello, and in a lesser degree Turnbull and Abbott

Reckon it will be Julia - just hoping that most of the faceless ALP remember what a complete and utter balls up Ruddy made when he was in the hot seat (which is why they got rid of him in the first place). The only other person that the ALP could put up that has any brains or credability is Penny Wong.

I would say that the ALP had some ideas when they came into power but when they turned them into reality they failed - home insulation scam anyone?

Penny Wong? You're fucking joking. She thinks she's a father.

SO? of all the people the ALP could forward she's the only one with a brain and any credability left

You must be joking.

Nope - you want to expand on why you think that?

[dreadom]

I agree. Ok all rug munching jokes aside, she is a very strong, credible and astute person.

[El Mariachi]

I agree. Ok all rug munching jokes aside, she is a very strong, credible and astute person.

How many body guards does she have? And are they armed?...

[dreadom]

I agree. Ok all rug munching jokes aside, she is a very strong, credible and astute person.

How many body guards does she have? And are they armed?...

What does that have to do with the price of tea? Or Kev and Julia for that matter?

[El Mariachi]

I agree. Ok all rug munching jokes aside, she is a very strong, credible and astute person.

How many body guards does she have? And are they armed?...

What does that have to do with the price of tea? Or Kev and Julia for that matter?

Twas just a hipocrisy test, mate, just like we do here. Anyways, did she pass it?....

[dreadom]

I agree. Ok all rug munching jokes aside, she is a very strong, credible and astute person.

How many body guards does she have? And are they armed?...

What does that have to do with the price of tea? Or Kev and Julia for that matter?

Twas just a hipocrisy test, mate, just like we do here. Anyways, did she pass it?....

Still not sure what your point is? Do you speak 'strine mate?

[Evo]

Dreads...you been cooking the gold tops up at Nana Glen or something similar?...wtf is going on?

[dreadom]

Dreads...you been cooking the gold tops up at Nana Glen or something similar?...wtf is going on?

No idea what you are talking about? Just understand ricks point about bodyguards? Was it about Whitney? Gun control? Or a possible lesbian PM.

[Evo]

No idea what you are talking about?

probably correct....just wondering what got under your skin...gold tops would explain it...Nana glen is where Crowie lives...not far from you and where they are readily available....I know you do the vegan thing....just wondering why you turned into an entitled dick.

this conversation is everything you rag on the sepps about....makes no sense other than you are tripping. just saying. I'm confused....it's not like it wasn't clear that people like Peter garret were tremendously underequipped from the get go. why the surprise?

you voted for these cunts din't you? now it's wildman bobbie brown and his band of renowns...wtf?

[sunmonkey]

Okay, you've joined the glorious people's labor party. Your duties - # 1 - defeat your rivals in your faction. # 2 defeat your factional rivals in the other factions. # 3 - get preselection for the senate or a safe seat. a very distant # 4 - defeat the coalition. # 5 (so far off in the distance as to be barely visible) - serve the people.

[Evo]

Okay, you've joined the glorious people's labor party. Your duties - # 1 - defeat your rivals in your faction. # 2 defeat your factional rivals in the other factions. # 3 - get preselection for the senate or a safe seat. a very distant # 4 - defeat the coalition. # 5 (so far off in the distance as to be barely visible) - serve the people.

well said that man

[savoir]

Penny Wong ? Fuck me !

There is good reason that woman is rarely let loose upon the public and it isn't because she's shy.

[Bent Sailor]

Okay, you've joined the glorious people's labor party. Your duties - # 1 - defeat your rivals in your faction. # 2 defeat your factional rivals in the other factions. # 3 - get preselection for the senate or a safe seat. a very distant # 4 - defeat the coalition. # 5 (so far off in the distance as to be barely visible) - serve the people.

Wondering how this is any different to the Coalition (aside from who has to beat whom). Hell, they have factions known as the Liberal Party & National Party that actually run in the same electorates! Were they in power, we'd be playing this same game between Turnbull & Abbott.

[Evo]

we'd be playing this same game between Turnbull & Abbott.

yeah....it isn't good but it would have happened while the economy was in surplus. not so much now

[sunmonkey]

Okay, you've joined the glorious people's labor party. Your duties - # 1 - defeat your rivals in your faction. # 2 defeat your factional rivals in the other factions. # 3 - get preselection for the senate or a safe seat. a very distant # 4 - defeat the coalition. # 5 (so far off in the distance as to be barely visible) - serve the people.

Wondering how this is any different to the Coalition.

There's no real difference of course but at least the conservatives don't pretend to be in any way representative of the majority of the electorate (other than the few 'wets'). Honest rogues if you like. I don't like any of them and the tragedy is that there's a few decent people in both groups who can't seem to get together. Oh wait, what about the Democrats ??? Oh that's right, they got 'Kernot-ed' and 'Lees-ed' and managed to stab themselves in the back which was a major achievement. And as for the Greens, well which faction is the best ? The social justice mob, the tree lickers, the animal lovers, or the gay mafia ? It's enough to make one an anarchist .... (or join the Popular Front for the Liberation of Judea, or even the Judean People's Liberation Front, or the .....)

Now Simon said that Kevin's naughty, and Julia didn't say that Kev's a good boy, so Kev said that Julia's naughty too, and Kev said that he was throwing his toy out of the sandpit and that he deserves all of Julia's toys, and all the kids have to decide whose friend they are now. And Tony's saying 'you little bewdy' .......


And I say 'give back your pocketmoney you little twerps'.

[GRUMPY]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

[dreadom]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Not sure who you voted for last time?

I had a choice between Bronwyn Bishop, some patsy for the ALP ( who my old Neighbour Barry Unsworth had troublesupporting, a happy clappy for the Fred Nile party ( who actually had very good health care policies for the local hospital) and a green.
There wasn't a straight vote:
Tony
Bob
Julia


Kevin

So why the hell should a change to the leader of the party be they in power or oposition require a complete new election?

[I'moutahere]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Most are puppets controlled by the "faceless men". That's why Rudd was stabbed in the back last time. He want's to get rid of them.

[dreadom]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Most are puppets controlled by the "faceless men". That's why Rudd was stabbed in the back last time. He want's to get rid of them.

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

[I'moutahere]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Most are puppets controlled by the "faceless men". That's why Rudd was stabbed in the back last time. He want's to get rid of them.

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

[highndry]

Julia Gillard says leadership debate is not an episode of Celebrity Big Brother.



-------------------- and the rest of the country thinks the opposite



BIG sister must go !


let's see if an independent or two get the jitters and force on her the election we have to have



P. S.

must be a bumper crop at Nana ------------------ all that rain and so on -------

[Bent Sailor]

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

I think it's better than the alternative, where a politician elected to represent his constituents cannot do so due to it conflicting with the two main parties. Remember, no-one is forcing the parties in question to deal with the independents & small parties. They do so voluntarily because they want the power of government. The Labor Party is somewhat new to the game, but the Liberals have been passing the pet policies of the Nationals for over a decade at least.

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other ones

[dreadom]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Most are puppets controlled by the "faceless men". That's why Rudd was stabbed in the back last time. He want's to get rid of them.

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

Yeah Wilkie got his poker machine legislation??

[I'moutahere]

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

Yeah Wilkie got his poker machine legislation??

Do the words "There will be no carbon tax" mean anything to you? Bob Brown?

[dreadom]

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

Yeah Wilkie got his poker machine legislation??

Do the words "There will be no carbon tax" mean anything to you? Bob Brown?

You said one. There are more greens in parliament than just Bob Brown.

[I'moutahere]

Kevin was stabbed in the back because he was doing so poorly in the polls and by all accounts was an arsehole to work with.

There are faceless men in all forms of politics: local, state federal and party. Rudd was voted out after a secret ballot of all sitting members. Same thing happened to Turnbull. Only difference was Kevin was in power at the time.

As i have said your primary vote is for the local member, not the leader. Sometimes the best option for your local electorate is not a member of a major party, hence the recent success of the independents.

Nothing worse than living in a safe seat sometimes. It would be a lot better if there werent parties, or more concious (secret) ballots. I am not saying that what we have now is perfect, but I would much rather have the situation where policy decisions were discussed instead of just passed by an overwhelming majority.

Except that with a minority govt like we have now, one independent can have his own pet policy passed in legislation just because the minority govt want's to stay in power. You think that's good?

Yeah Wilkie got his poker machine legislation??

Do the words "There will be no carbon tax" mean anything to you? Bob Brown?

You said one. There are more greens in parliament than just Bob Brown.

FFS. Evo's right. Gold tops.

[dreadom]

Losing the arguement so you resort to cheap drug jibes like Evo. Well done.

[I'moutahere]

Losing the arguement so you resort to cheap drug jibes like Evo. Well done.

What fucking argument.

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

[Toolbox]

Julia or Kevin it will be interesting to see if either of them can hold the party together into the next election.

The libs must be lapping this up.


What the hell


Go the KATTER party......... can't get any worse.

[highndry]

now THAT will frighten the greenies out of the trees ----------

[dreadom]

Julia or Kevin it will be interesting to see if either of them can hold the party together into the next election.

The libs must be lapping this up.


What the hell


Go the KATTER party......... can't get any worse.

[Bent Sailor]

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.

I don't particularly like Gillard myself, but let's not repeat the mindless Liberal talking points for them - Abbott is more than mindless for the lot of us

[duncan (the other one)]

Well, the punters don't have a vote in it anyway. Once again the leadership of OUR country will be decided by a select few with back door deals.

Call the election.

A select few = 103 labor MPs and senators.

Most are puppets controlled by the "faceless men". That's why Rudd was stabbed in the back last time. He want's to get rid of them.

someone say puppets?

[duncan (the other one)]

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.

I don't particularly like Gillard myself, but let's not repeat the mindless Liberal talking points for them - Abbott is more than mindless for the lot of us

Bullshit. Typical splitting hairs crap from the left.

No no.. I said 'tax', not levy.

[GRUMPY]

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.

I don't particularly like Gillard myself, but let's not repeat the mindless Liberal talking points for them - Abbott is more than mindless for the lot of us

She lied. If she had been truthful at the election she wouldn't have got the numbers to form Govt. Labour are in power today on false pretenses as far as I'm concerned.

And they're a fucking shambles at present.

[dreadom]

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.

I don't particularly like Gillard myself, but let's not repeat the mindless Liberal talking points for them - Abbott is more than mindless for the lot of us

She lied. If she had been truthful at the election she wouldn't have got the numbers to form Govt. Labour are in power today on false pretenses as far as I'm concerned.

And they're a fucking shambles at present.

How old are you? You act like you have never been lied to by a politician.

Boohoo fill yer boots.

[savoir]

Don't you remember Julia promising "No carbon tax"?

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.

I don't particularly like Gillard myself, but let's not repeat the mindless Liberal talking points for them - Abbott is more than mindless for the lot of us

Clearly you are a Labor cheerleader. The highest carbon tax in the world starts in Australia on July 1.

Good luck and good night.

[highndry]

Yup, and as she hasn't brought in a tax, but an ETS with a transition period that acts like a tax, I'm curious what your point is. Having one's wages docked a certain percentage for alimony & child support acts like a tax too, but that doesn't make it a tax.





you poke



you pay




why should other taxpayers pay for your kids through centrelink because you don't WANT to pay ?

[I'moutahere]

I think the pendulum is swinging Rudd's way. Julia comes across flustered and not at all confident.

What chance of an election being called very soon?

[GRUMPY]

"A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth."

Aesop

[pikeout]

They should elope. Cut out the foreplay 'cos they already hate each other.

[highndry]

has the Juliar camp already chosen her replacement ?


--- to keep kevvie out ?

[GRUMPY]

Weird. Somewhere between 30 & 50% of the caucus support one or the other. Great way to govern, minimum of 30% of your SUPPORTERS don't think you're up for the job.

The greens don't care who gets up, they think they've got control anyway

Call an election.

[ease the sheet!]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

[savoir]

See Albanese's teary performance ? Oh the humanity !

[dreadom]

Weird. Somewhere between 30 & 50% of the caucus support one or the other. Great way to govern, minimum of 30% of your SUPPORTERS don't think you're up for the job.

The greens don't care who gets up, they think they've got control anyway

Call an election.

FFS dry your eyes princess and accept the fact that a coalition of ALP, Greens and Independents beat a coalition of Liberal, national and independents.


Regardless of who the Prime Minister is on Monday, there is no mandate for an election.

[dreadom]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

+1

[Happy]

Kevin is your typical politician/psychopath. Charming, very convincing speaker, presents an engaging and apparently reasonable front. That's why the Australian public like him. Those who have had the misfortune to work with/for him have experienced a foul-tempered inconsiderate egomaniac who totally loses it when his plans don't work out. That's why they dumped him.
Julia is your typical party hack, will do anything to maintain power, including letting the Greens (basically totalitarian "we know best" ex-commies) have their way on lunatic carbon policy. University leftie who used to pretend to be lesbian for more credibility.
Abbott is another somewhat crazed type, of the religious rightwing persuasion.

Gawd help Australia, 'cos the pollies sure aren't going to.

[Happy]

..........and Grumpy, don't keep biting when Dreads has a go. The man's a vego, obviously not to be taken seriously.

[I'moutahere]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

He already knocked that back remember. He wouldn't give the greens & independents everything they wanted - Julia said (lied) that she would give them what they wanted, just to stay in power.

[duncan (the other one)]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

He already knocked that back remember. He wouldn't give the greens & independents everything they wanted - Julia said (lied) that she would give them what they wanted, just to stay in power.

Yup.

With any luck, if that pans out, he'll go to a double dissolution and we can kick the dangerous idiots out.

[ease the sheet!]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

He already knocked that back remember. He wouldn't give the greens & independents everything they wanted - Julia said (lied) that she would give them what they wanted, just to stay in power.

remember how he offered wilkie a billion dollars for hobart hospital?
remember how he said to windsor " I would sell my arse to be prime minister"
both said no, mainly based on how howard and abbott treated the independants when the libs were in power.

abbott is no better than kev or julia.

julia didnt lie, she just has core and non core independants!

[GRUMPY]

..........and Grumpy, don't keep biting when Dreads has a go. The man's a vego, obviously not to be taken seriously.

[I'moutahere]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

He already knocked that back remember. He wouldn't give the greens & independents everything they wanted - Julia said (lied) that she would give them what they wanted, just to stay in power.

remember how he offered wilkie a billion dollars for hobart hospital?
remember how he said to windsor " I would sell my arse to be prime minister"
both said no, mainly based on how howard and abbott treated the independants when the libs were in power.

abbott is no better than kev or julia.

julia didnt lie, she just has core and non core independants!

You are no doubt a rabid labour supporter that would vote labour no matter how they fucked you.

"There will be NO CARBON TAX" - You obviously will deny that Gillard said that on national TV.

Abbot wouldn't bend over for the independents to get into power - Gillard did.

[highndry]

............ and look what they see !

[Mark K]

I envy you Aussies. Got it done in only, what was it? About a month or so of haggling?

[highndry]

wham !

Bam !


Thank You

Maam !

[ease the sheet!]

the greens do have control! check the senate numbers!

will be funny watching Abbott when the senate blocks legislation put forward by a coalition government. (by the way, we already have a coalition government)

what are the odds of Abbott kowtowing to the greens? will he offer up his sphincter? bob might actually accept it!

He already knocked that back remember. He wouldn't give the greens & independents everything they wanted - Julia said (lied) that she would give them what they wanted, just to stay in power.

remember how he offered wilkie a billion dollars for hobart hospital?
remember how he said to windsor " I would sell my arse to be prime minister"
both said no, mainly based on how howard and abbott treated the independants when the libs were in power.

abbott is no better than kev or julia.

julia didnt lie, she just has core and non core independants!

You are no doubt a rabid labour supporter that would vote labour no matter how they fucked you.

"There will be NO CARBON TAX" - You obviously will deny that Gillard said that on national TV.

Abbot wouldn't bend over for the independents to get into power - Gillard did.

my god! she did say that! fancy a politician making a promise and not keeping it!

abbot did bend over. he, like i am sure you have been, was passed up for something better.

[I'moutahere]

my god! she did say that! fancy a politician making a promise and not keeping it!

abbot did bend over. he, like i am sure you have been, was passed up for something better.

Bullshit. Abbot would not prostitue himself. Gillard did, purely to hold power. We all know that, except you won't accept what everyone else knows.

[duncan (the other one)]

my god! she did say that! fancy a politician making a promise and not keeping it!

abbot did bend over. he, like i am sure you have been, was passed up for something better.

Keep the dream.

The funniest thing about this shitfight is that the Labor party is tearing itself a new fundamental orifice, but can't stop mentioning how the debate is all about keeping Abbott out of office.

Abbott must be hoe-ing into a monumental bag of popcorn at the moment.

[duncan (the other one)]

btw, the 'independents' have made it quite clear that they'll follow the Labor party like a nice herd of lemmings to electoral annihilation.

The LNP is not silly enough to believe they can negotiate with them any more.

[ease the sheet!]

my god! she did say that! fancy a politician making a promise and not keeping it!

abbot did bend over. he, like i am sure you have been, was passed up for something better.

Bullshit. Abbot would not prostitue himself. Gillard did, purely to hold power. We all know that, except you won't accept what everyone else knows.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-day-abbott-bared-his-soul-20110827-1jfgv.html
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/wilkie-rejects-1b-sweetener-20100902-14rpi.html

abbot was as desperate as gillard, perhaps too desparate!

[ease the sheet!]

http://www.independe...per-as-speaker/

and who says politicians are nice people?

[I'moutahere]

73-29? in favour of Gillard.

Guarantees a Libs win next election.

[dreadom]

73-29? in favour of Gillard.

Guarantees a Libs win next election.

Can't see Julia losing todays caucus vote. Unless there is a major change in the polls? I do not expect her to be the PM at the time of the next election. My money is on Smith.

[I'moutahere]

73-29? in favour of Gillard.

Guarantees a Libs win next election.

Can't see Julia losing todays caucus vote. Unless there is a major change in the polls? I do not expect her to be the PM at the time of the next election. My money is on Smith.

Not official but seems it's 73-29.

Smith is likely. Somewhat bland, but remember, these guys chose Latham not so long ago, so it could be anybody.