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[czo79]

the best english language coverage of the Vendee ever, Sailing Anarchy's youtube vids this year, are lucky to get a couple hundred views a piece.

Think again.


English language Daily Motion live feed had just under 75,000 unique views, haven't checked the YT live stats.

French language live feed just over 300,000. 25% is a damned good ratio frankly - much of it thanks to SA embedding it on the front page and pushing it hard to our Facebook fans.

The first Youtube archive vids (the SD ones) are at 18,000 or so already. The numbers are all available online to smash your prediction to little bits. Plus my inbox has blown up with emails and FB messages from all over the globe thanking me for the english commentary.

Perhaps it came across as a little harsh. I think you've done an amazing job, the coverage is great and that without SA the coverage would probably be minimal, not just no SA coverage but probably less coverage from the VG organization itself. And you're no doubt right that the english start feed probably owes many of it's viewers to SA. And if you go back and look at the early SA coverage vids the numbers go up quite a bit. In a couple cases a few thousand instead of a few hundred, and the numbers will no doubt go up some too. I was just trying to dispute the idea that english speakers are somehow being neglected in the VG website coverage. I think considering, they are doing a good job, and combined with SA's coverage, we're pretty lucky to have the coverage we do, it's a lot better than any other solo race I've followed.

- Czo

[Carboninit]

Macif pulling out more miles ,will be intresting to see how they all line up when they hit the new breeze today. Is that right another boat hit by a trawler?

[kristoffer]

Macif pulling out more miles ,will be intresting to see how they all line up when they hit the new breeze today. Is that right another boat hit by a trawler?

From the facebookpage of Louis Burton

Hello everyone, Here is the information we can provide at the moment:
The race received that night at 3:10 local time, the call of the ship Bureau Valley. Louis Burton reported to have hit on the port side of a trawler about 400 Nm west of Lisbon. Position 38 ° 22N, 18 ° 10W. He was asleep in the cockpit and radar and AIS were lit.


He played in 18 knots in big seas with wind Southwest 32 knots generating a very limited visibility Louis quickly turned to the north east road, securing the pole and found a guy damaged 1.80m above the deck. Louis goes well, he expects the sunrise (around 9:30 French time) for a more complete diagnostic on the port shroud before taking any decision on the rest of the race. a press briefing will be held at 10 am, or you more news. thank you,

It looks like it will be the fishermen rather than the masts that will be the issue this time...

[oioi]

great headline on the VG website "No Attacking Macif yet?"

perhaps we should have sweepstake on how many Massive Attack references they will get in? I am sure if Gabart does not finish the headline will be "Sympathy for Unfinished Massive Attack"

[onimod]

0800 UTC
Le Cléac'h is flying ~ 70nm ahead of Riou.

[Guillame]

What I do not like since the start is the tracker. It really s*cks...
I'm just telling this since Loïck Peyron does it too :
"#VG2012 sorry, but your tracker is not up to the event." (Hope I translate correctly).

About the tracker, it isn't the "geovoile" one anymore ? (the one used on most previous races and Volvo as well) :
http://www.geovoile.com/
Or is it still a version of it ?

Anybody knows ?

At least there isn't the spherical projection this time.

And if not geovoile wonder why.

(but the good side of it is that it isn't limited in window size)

As written at the bottom right of the tracker, it's provided by : Réalisation Addviso & Supersoniks... So it isn't Geovoile.

Of course this feeling is partly due to the habit one could have with Geovoile...
What I miss most is the weather forecast integration... On Geovoile trackers you could play with them, by 6 hours "slices" for the next 72 hours (and even by 3 hours slices for the next 120 hours on the last VOR!)

[Calico Jack]

the best english language coverage of the Vendee ever, Sailing Anarchy's youtube vids this year, are lucky to get a couple hundred views a piece.

Think again.


English language Daily Motion live feed had just under 75,000 unique views, haven't checked the YT live stats.

French language live feed just over 300,000. 25% is a damned good ratio frankly - much of it thanks to SA embedding it on the front page and pushing it hard to our Facebook fans.

The first Youtube archive vids (the SD ones) are at 18,000 or so already. The numbers are all available online to smash your prediction to little bits. Plus my inbox has blown up with emails and FB messages from all over the globe thanking me for the english commentary.

Perhaps it came across as a little harsh. I think you've done an amazing job, the coverage is great and that without SA the coverage would probably be minimal, not just no SA coverage but probably less coverage from the VG organization itself. And you're no doubt right that the english start feed probably owes many of it's viewers to SA. And if you go back and look at the early SA coverage vids the numbers go up quite a bit. In a couple cases a few thousand instead of a few hundred, and the numbers will no doubt go up some too. I was just trying to dispute the idea that english speakers are somehow being neglected in the VG website coverage. I think considering, they are doing a good job, and combined with SA's coverage, we're pretty lucky to have the coverage we do, it's a lot better than any other solo race I've followed.

- Czo

My point was regarding the tracker and it was not limited to english speakers, I was referring to the lack of updates on the tracker during daylight hours on this side of the planet

[Lima November]

Part of the choice for the lack of position updates during the European night is probably competition related. The competitors themselves get their information on where the others are mainly from the official position updates. Therefore, 9 hours without updates gives them time to make a move without the others knowing about it at once. I am sure that the wilier competitors use this, for example by gybing right after the last update for the day. I suppose that the organisation kept this long period without updates mainly for this reason.

[moody frog]

Trying to work out what has happened to Louis Burton on Bureau Vallee.

just been hit by a fishing boat

Google translate (http://www.vendeeglo...u-de-peche.html)
The race director has received that night at 3:10 local time, the call of the ship Bureau Valley. Louis Burton reported to have hit on the port side of a trawler about 400 Nm west of Lisbon position 38 ° 22N, 18 ° 10W. He was asleep in the cockpit and radar and AIS were lit.

Google translate got it wrong !! it actually reads : " he was on watch in the cockpit and both the Radar and AIS were switched-on"

[Carboninit]

I am getting pissed off of reports of imoca hit by Portugese fishing boat . The Atlantic fleet come out of La Coruna . It could be a French ,English ,Spanish fishing boat or any nationalty boat that hit an imoca and I reckon its an imoca that hit a fishing boat . The size of the swell in the bay is big , thats why ships have orange stripes on the bridge so maybe you can see them . Its an accident thats happened. None of us were there. To point the finger is wrong and pointless. The fisherman are doing there job as are the Imoca mob.

[Maxion]

I am getting pissed off of reports of imoca hit by Portugese fishing boat . The Atlantic fleet come out of La Coruna . It could be a French ,English ,Spanish fishing boat or any nationalty boat that hit an imoca and I reckon its an imoca that hit a fishing boat . The size of the swell in the bay is big , thats why ships have orange stripes on the bridge so maybe you can see them . Its an accident thats happened. None of us were there. To point the finger is wrong and pointless. The fisherman are doing there job as are the Imoca mob.

Agree. Especially if the fishing vessel hit is a trawler currently under operation. Not much he can do to avoid a collision even if he wanted to.

[Francis Vaughan]

French language live feed just over 300,000. 25% is a damned good ratio frankly - much of it thanks to SA embedding it on the front page and pushing it hard to our Facebook fans.

Superb numbers. This is something about the Internet that I think people don't get. There really are a lot of people out there. (I have trouble, I was on the real Internet in 1986, back then it was a very tiny community, I find it very hard to get my head around how big it is now.) Given the apparent coverage the VG gets in France from just the sponsors pushing their involvement, that SA gets 25% of this isn't just good, it is stunning.

[Francis Vaughan]

Part of the choice for the lack of position updates during the European night is probably competition related. The competitors themselves get their information on where the others are mainly from the official position updates. Therefore, 9 hours without updates gives them time to make a move without the others knowing about it at once.

This is possibly true. However there comes a point where a line needs to be drawn. For those of us wanting to follow the race it is quite frustrating, so much so that it significantly detracts from the experience. The VOR was a tiny bit better - at least the updates were a bit more regular, and when they turned on minute by minute updates it could be riveting. Clearly there is no issue technologically in providing timely updates. The whole point about a competition is that the competitors have an even field. Whilst it might slightly alter tactics in the race, I can't see any way that providing all the competitors with constant updates on positions would detract from the competition. Clearly there is a lot to be learnt if such updates were available, and things might slightly favour the boats behind rather than those in front, but that is always a good thing. We don't get much coverage other than position reports for the next three months. Those of us with close to zero French don't exactly get much out of any uploaded videos.

[onimod]

Hey Francis - lets just say you and I are awsome sailors and we've both got our hands on the latest VPLP designs that have proven themselves to be rocketships.
There's only 1 difference though - you're a gifted navigator and I'm, well...crap.
Are you still sure you want 60 second updates so that I can follow you around the world?

Back to the race - Gabart has snuck through and put his foot back on the gas in the last hour.

[Carboninit]

It will be intresting to see what speeds will be achieved with the new designs.Mike Golding video of going downwind looked good ,big swell and not much breeze.

[Francis Vaughan]

Hey Francis - lets just say you and I are awsome sailors

Well of course we are, that goes without saying

and we've both got our hands on the latest VPLP designs that have proven themselves to be rocketships.
There's only 1 difference though - you're a gifted navigator and I'm, well...crap.
Are you still sure you want 60 second updates so that I can follow you around the world?

This is no doubt why such a move would be opposed by some. But it isn't as if IMOCA isn't used to disagreements about the rules from the various vested interests.

Given that they all use computer routing software, the relative navigation abilities are already much less important than they once were. If we have close to identical boats our polars are going to have us seeking similar courses, so indeed in that case the poorer navigator will have significantly closed the advantage. Boats that have different polars would be foolish to simply close follow. And of course there is the old adage that you never get past someone by following them. What would change would be the next generation of navigation software, as it would now be useful to add in a capability to track the other boats, if only to track the local weather, but the computer system could start to play tactics too. No doubt continuous updates would reduce the advantages one skipper has over another, but I think it would probably mostly allow the mid and tail enders a chance to stay in touch - which is probably a good thing. I would be happy with hourly as a spectator. That might be a happy medium.

Being a computer nerd, and having an itch to play with some advanced ideas for routing, fast real time updates would excite me. I do worry that we could reach a point where the wetware on board's only duties are to change sails and stack the boat. Currently a human can drive a boat faster than the auto, but I can see a time when that ceases to be true. I would love to write the software that could do that, but hate the implications it would have.

ETA:
Hmm, there is a significant implication of very fast real-time updates that would probably have most skippers opposed - it would become possible to derive the polars for all the competition. As a spectator I would love this - it would make a big difference to how I follow a race. But I can see a lot of worry about that across the fleet.

[Maxion]

Hey Francis - lets just say you and I are awsome sailors

Well of course we are, that goes without saying

and we've both got our hands on the latest VPLP designs that have proven themselves to be rocketships.
There's only 1 difference though - you're a gifted navigator and I'm, well...crap.
Are you still sure you want 60 second updates so that I can follow you around the world?

This is no doubt why such a move would be opposed by some. But it isn't as if IMOCA isn't used to disagreements about the rules from the various vested interests.

Given that they all use computer routing software, the relative navigation abilities are already much less important than they once were. If we have close to identical boats our polars are going to have us seeking similar courses, so indeed in that case the poorer navigator will have significantly closed the advantage. Boats that have different polars would be foolish to simply close follow. And of course there is the old adage that you never get past someone by following them. What would change would be the next generation of navigation software, as it would now be useful to add in a capability to track the other boats, if only to track the local weather, but the computer system could start to play tactics too. No doubt continuous updates would reduce the advantages one skipper has over another, but I think it would probably mostly allow the mid and tail enders a chance to stay in touch - which is probably a good thing. I would be happy with hourly as a spectator. That might be a happy medium.

Being a computer nerd, and having an itch to play with some advanced ideas for routing, fast real time updates would excite me. I do worry that we could reach a point where the wetware on board's only duties are to change sails and stack the boat. Currently a human can drive a boat faster than the auto, but I can see a time when that ceases to be true. I would love to write the software that could do that, but hate the implications it would have.

ETA:
Hmm, there is a significant implication of very fast real-time updates that would probably have most skippers opposed - it would become possible to derive the polars for all the competition. As a spectator I would love this - it would make a big difference to how I follow a race. But I can see a lot of worry about that across the fleet.

They can already get near real time updates from most of the boats by following their AIS signal. Many of them have it on constantly at least now that they're close to the coast...

[LeoV]

Thank god they have an interval in position showing , how else could i get a decent sleep...

The deckspreader design is particularity vulnerable for hitting other boats.
And I remember a minitransat guy hitting a fishing boat, got to port to repair, one day out again, hit another one ....
Still a wonder some fishing guys are friendly to yachties....

About sponsorship numbers, they add all up, even if not needed. Tenfold return sounds good, if at least 10% is situated at your target audience.
For big names, thats easy though. Fun game on the French highways is to spot as many sailing sponsors that you can, old and new

And damn, nice cover of Macif, respect.

[Francis Vaughan]

They can already get near real time updates from most of the boats by following their AIS signal. Many of them have it on constantly at least now that they're close to the coast...

The notice of race actually requires that AIS never be turned off. However the notice also only requires that they carry a type B AIS transponder - which only has a range of about 10nm. Given the higher power consumption, cost, and size of a type A, I'm going to bet the majority of the fleet went for type B. I had a go trying to locate any of the fleet on an AIS tracker site. Not one comes up. Not even Groupe Bel, which I would have thought would have been in easy range of a coastal receiver. So AIS is an interesting point. The fleet really should be able to see one another with AIS - but the use of wimpy type B transponders makes this pretty feeble. Currently most of the fleet will not be able to see more than a small fraction of the other boats.

[forss]

INFO : Louis Burton is sailing back to Les Sables D'olonne to repair his boat and he will try to be back in the race (he has to leave les Sables before November 20th, 1:02pm)! What a tenacious guy! This is the Vendée Globe spirit!

He really wants to sail around the globe. I really like that spirit!

[nkb]

INFO : Louis Burton is sailing back to Les Sables D'olonne to repair his boat and he will try to be back in the race (he has to leave les Sables before November 20th, 1:02pm)! What a tenacious guy! This is the Vendée Globe spirit!

He really wants to sail around the globe. I really like that spirit!

Couldn't agree more. Great spirit and great attitude, Bureau Valley should be proud.

[us7070]

Trying to work out what has happened to Louis Burton on Bureau Vallee.

just been hit by a fishing boat

Google translate (http://www.vendeeglo...u-de-peche.html)
The race director has received that night at 3:10 local time, the call of the ship Bureau Valley. Louis Burton reported to have hit on the port side of a trawler about 400 Nm west of Lisbon position 38 ° 22N, 18 ° 10W. He was asleep in the cockpit and radar and AIS were lit.

http://www.vendeeglo...on-standby.html

[steinbrenner]

he hasnt got much time and does somebody know how bad the damage is? any pictures? boat out of water in les sables or repairs being done in water?

hope he makes it in time

[forss]

I guess it is quite a small damage. Otherwise he cannot sail to Les Sables d'Olonne.
But have not seen the photos. I hope they post them soon to the vendee website.

[squall]

damage to the port cap shroud, must be replaced and normally a 3 weeks delvery time.
he must restart in les sables latest 20th nov 13h02. good luck, Louis!

[CPJIII]

Go Bernard! keeping fingers crossed he keeps that boat together...looks like its keeping up with Macif...PRB round the outside move is now showing well...

Reports have been at the same time for this race as long as I remember (1996)...so guess it is what they do for us watching at home (and yes it is based on french times)...I dont complain just enjoy, already too much to keep up with each day for me...

[BobJ]

Part of the choice for the lack of position updates during the European night is probably competition related. The competitors themselves get their information on where the others are mainly from the official position updates. Therefore, 9 hours without updates gives them time to make a move without the others knowing about it at once.

This is possibly true. However there comes a point where a line needs to be drawn. For those of us wanting to follow the race it is quite frustrating, so much so that it significantly detracts from the experience. The VOR was a tiny bit better - at least the updates were a bit more regular, and when they turned on minute by minute updates it could be riveting. Clearly there is no issue technologically in providing timely updates. The whole point about a competition is that the competitors have an even field. Whilst it might slightly alter tactics in the race, I can't see any way that providing all the competitors with constant updates on positions would detract from the competition. Clearly there is a lot to be learnt if such updates were available, and things might slightly favour the boats behind rather than those in front, but that is always a good thing. We don't get much coverage other than position reports for the next three months. Those of us with close to zero French don't exactly get much out of any uploaded videos.

There has been some debate about tracking for the Singlehanded TransPac. Having been twice a competitor, once the Race Chair and more times an observer, I have concluded that the race is first for the skippers, then for the sponsors (few in our case), then for others. Tracking should always be accordingly subservient.

[Trickypig]

Of course the replay button with the wind overlay on the tracker tells us all that happened during the blackout.

One thing that looks apparent when hitting the replay button again and again is that whilst Gabard has made all the right tactical choices, his boat also looks very fast. This was apparent in the first day out of the start which was basically a drag race that he led.

[hermitCrab]

There has been some debate about tracking for the Singlehanded TransPac. Having been twice a competitor, once the Race Chair and more times an observer, I have concluded that the race is first for the skippers, then for the sponsors (few in our case), then for others. Tracking should always be accordingly subservient.

If I remember right, the SHTP tracker was updating positions every 3 hours, but the skippers were not permitted to access that info. They were to only get the official twice-daily position reports.

[Calico Jack]

Yes BobJ I get that, this race is a sailors race and long may it continue but it the real world we live in and the only way more sailors can enter this race and other major offshore races is by way of more sponsors, if in fact the current group want more competition, it pretty clear the base has to grow

,Not asking for minute by minute updates, just the normal 4 hrs instead of the current 9 hour stealth mode currently in place.

hermit we run similar rules down here where the competitor is not allowed to view the tracker

as for the idea that it would simply mean that the poor navigators (not sure there are any in this fleet) would simply follow the leader,that sounded like an opti Dad on the beach telling little Johnny all you have to do is follow the class champion, can't be done, never works!

[Speng]

Macif is currently laying the hammer on the rest of the fleet and considering his close-to-sister ship Banque Pop is also up front it is an indication that these designs are fast! BTW they haven't reached the power reaching zone yet where these boats theoretically should light up and fuck off. I reckon the other geezers are crossing all their appendages that these guys break but Gabart seems to have channeled the brains and balls of Mich Desj so far.

I'm finding the website fine right now`although the English reports seem to have a high AT content and a relatively high MG content (I suppose because they don't require translation from French). BTW Bilou is on the vacs tomorrow should be a riot. IIRC he speaks decent English so there may be some banter with the English speaking sailors.

As for you Aussies bitching about the update times you can suck it. Why don't you play cricket at night so the rest of us can listen to you lose to the Saffies at a decent time?!

[forss]

Trailersailor safran

[Tanton Y_M]

I am really amazed at the posted speed(s) of F. Gabart. In 102 hours of racing, he manages to be 1/2 knot faster on average. That is huge in terms of yacht design.
www.tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

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[Trickypig]

As for you Aussies bitching about the update times you can suck it. Why don't you play cricket at night so the rest of us can listen to you lose to the Saffies at a decent time?!

What? .. the way we had to stay up late and watch them beat you in the test last August?

[popo]

if there is a way to subtitle the youtube video easily, I can do it for you.

[Left Hook]

Trailersailor safran

Reminds me of this:

[oioi]

Go Bernard! keeping fingers crossed he keeps that boat together...looks like its keeping up with Macif...PRB round the outside move is now showing well...

Im not sure prb,s outside move is paying. When he split west from banq pop and macif he was what 25 miles back? Looks like he lost miles in the race south.

[Trickypig]

if there is a way to subtitle the youtube video easily, I can do it for you.

That would be fantastic.

Clean ... can you think of a way?

[LeoV]

Gabert seems to be very fantastic in the first days, hence his lead. There are a few kind of sailors, those who struggle the first days, and then get going. MichDes is one of them.
And the go fast early, then slower. And the ones that never gets faster

Stamm should have a few good hours due to weather..
http://www.vendeeglo...layful-map.html

[Speng]

BTW on the race tracker you can bring up the forecast winds. If you bring up the weather there is a little slider in the bar that comes up.

[nkb]

http://www.dessourirespourkito.com

Group Bel are collecting smiles for Kito...

[popo]

first try for subtitles.
If it fits you, ask which video you want to be subtitled, and I'll do it !

[swe727]

Wow that is great popo

[GnarlyItWas]

I didn't see any.

That was an FYI, not trying to belittle your efforts. Subtitles would be awesome.

[forss]

I didn't see any.

That was an FYI, not trying to belittle your efforts. Subtitles would be awesome.

click on cc

[popo]

on the bottom right side of the video, you should have a little button witch "cc" on it.
check if it's set on.

edit - too late, thanks forss

[Bull Gator]

I am getting pissed off of reports of imoca hit by Portugese fishing boat . The Atlantic fleet come out of La Coruna . It could be a French ,English ,Spanish fishing boat or any nationalty boat that hit an imoca and I reckon its an imoca that hit a fishing boat . The size of the swell in the bay is big , thats why ships have orange stripes on the bridge so maybe you can see them . Its an accident thats happened. None of us were there. To point the finger is wrong and pointless. The fisherman are doing there job as are the Imoca mob.

I agree these imoca sailor are completely reckless barreling along at uncontrollable speeds often asleep or in the dark. There will be a few whales killed before this is over..

[popo]

another one just cause Gabart is my favourit !

[Trickypig]

first try for subtitles.
If it fits you, ask which video you want to be subtitled, and I'll do it !

Fantastic.. any you think are revealing.

It brings it alive for the rest of us. THANKS

[Trickypig]

Gabart looks arced up and excitable. I hope he can sustain the energy levels.

[popo]

https://www.youtube....h?v=rYJvtoD0Fj0

Allways a weird feeling when speaking about another sailor misfortune it seems

edit : this video doesn't want to embed itself, can't find why !

[Trickypig]

https://www.youtube....h?v=rYJvtoD0Fj0

Allways a weird feeling when speaking about another sailor misfortune it seems

edit : this video doesn't want to embed itself, can't find why !

It depends what you say ... although I would be touching wood if anything needs to be said of another's misfortune.

Do any of these boats have wood in them?

[aquila]

great work popo the vendee globe guys should hire you.
it would also be great if they uploaded their movie length docos of the past events like i have heard they made on dvd or vhs for the early ones

[Laurent]

first try for subtitles.
If it fits you, ask which video you want to be subtitled, and I'll do it !

Popo, how do you do this? I may be able to do a few as well.
Just let me know how you do it.

Thanks,

Laurent

[onimod]

Hey Francis - lets just say you and I are awsome sailors

Well of course we are, that goes without saying

and we've both got our hands on the latest VPLP designs that have proven themselves to be rocketships.
There's only 1 difference though - you're a gifted navigator and I'm, well...crap.
Are you still sure you want 60 second updates so that I can follow you around the world?

This is no doubt why such a move would be opposed by some. But it isn't as if IMOCA isn't used to disagreements about the rules from the various vested interests.

Given that they all use computer routing software, the relative navigation abilities are already much less important than they once were. If we have close to identical boats our polars are going to have us seeking similar courses, so indeed in that case the poorer navigator will have significantly closed the advantage. Boats that have different polars would be foolish to simply close follow. And of course there is the old adage that you never get past someone by following them. What would change would be the next generation of navigation software, as it would now be useful to add in a capability to track the other boats, if only to track the local weather, but the computer system could start to play tactics too. No doubt continuous updates would reduce the advantages one skipper has over another, but I think it would probably mostly allow the mid and tail enders a chance to stay in touch - which is probably a good thing. I would be happy with hourly as a spectator. That might be a happy medium.

Being a computer nerd, and having an itch to play with some advanced ideas for routing, fast real time updates would excite me. I do worry that we could reach a point where the wetware on board's only duties are to change sails and stack the boat. Currently a human can drive a boat faster than the auto, but I can see a time when that ceases to be true. I would love to write the software that could do that, but hate the implications it would have.

ETA:
Hmm, there is a significant implication of very fast real-time updates that would probably have most skippers opposed - it would become possible to derive the polars for all the competition. As a spectator I would love this - it would make a big difference to how I follow a race. But I can see a lot of worry about that across the fleet.

I think the skippers would prefer even fewer updates than we are getting now.
It's a good question for Clean to stick in his little book of questions to ask later.
Some of them deal with it by ignoring the other boats, either on purpose or just because they don't have the time.
I'd rather the race was about navigating and sailing rather then computer technology but obviously that genie is out of the bottle too.
As a spectator I agree with you, although my bank account may argue on the basis of time.
I don't think there is a realistic way of withholding information from the boats and still delivering it to us (spectators), so either more information is delivered, but delayed or we have to put up with what the skippers want.
A way to partially alleviate the problem would be for software predictors to fill in the gaps between updates.

[Marvin]

Popo, how do you do this? I may be able to do a few as well.
Just let me know how you do it.

Thanks,

Laurent

I have used http://captiontube.a...t.com/myvideos/ in the past... I'm not sure which tool popo is using.

[Torsten]

Slightly off topic, when Alex Thomson was rescued in the 5 Oceans a few years ago, was the boat recovered in the end?

[onimod]

I can ignore the warp speed west side of the course check by Gamesa, but is there any reason to be heading 40-60 degrees east of everyone else?
I think there might be a problem.
Acconia looks iffy too.
Status quo out front; Armel has been just a touch quicker.

[fucket]

The tracker shows the wind shifting 90 deg. right before Acconia cuts east.

[Presuming Ed]

Safran

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/popup/vendee-globe-2012-2013-marc-guillemot-safran-la-quille-cassee-cachee/

[popo]

which way is the bow ?

[Cyrille Hydrogene]

At the last ranking, Bernard Stamm has been the fastest of the fleet for the last 24hrs. 416 miles. (409 for Gabart) His Juan K design is really fast on a reach. But young Gabart still has a confortable lead.

[Presuming Ed]

which way is the bow ?

By the look of the trailer, the bow is to the right.

[diggler]

Great stuff with the subtitles, thank you!

[moody frog]

Slightly off topic, when Alex Thomson was rescued in the 5 Oceans a few years ago, was the boat recovered in the end?

No ! most probably sank

[popo]

perhaps should I start a topic with only subtitled video, or it will be lost shortly among other comments

[onimod]

At the last ranking, Bernard Stamm has been the fastest of the fleet for the last 24hrs. 416 miles. (409 for Gabart) His Juan K design is really fast on a reach. But young Gabart still has a confortable lead.

I think he has positioned himself to better negotiate the lighter air in front of Gabart too.
Odd for a JuanK to reach fast....

[Guillame]

Safran

http://www.voilesetv...-cassee-cachee/

More pictures by Th. Martinez (before having more answers)

[popo]

really weird seeing her getting towed out of water like a dinghy !

[Carboninit]

which way is the bow ?

Safran

http://www.voilesetv...-cassee-cachee/

More pictures by Th. Martinez (before having more answers)

Left of the picture is aft . I like the blue bag where the break occured. Material failure. Bank Pop on a charge.

[diggler]

perhaps should I start a topic with only subtitled video, or it will be lost shortly among other comments

At the moment they are all together under your user name on youtube, so finding the rest from any one video is easy. If Laurent or others start contributing with multiple youtube uploaders then maybe a seperate thread would be a good idea.

[FINS]

With pulling SAFRAN out on a trailer being very weird. Do you think they might be worried about the internal structure and not wanting to use the center pick point to lift the boat?

[Francis Vaughan]

which way is the bow ?

By the look of the trailer, the bow is to the right.

Yup, one of the other pictures makes it clear. The question is of course - which edge of the keel is the obvious damage? The answer is that it is the trailing edge - so it isn't of itself evidence of a collision, just concomitant damage when the main body of the keel parted.

[Francis Vaughan]

With pulling SAFRAN out on a trailer being very weird. Do you think they might be worried about the internal structure and not wanting to use the center pick point to lift the boat?

I suspect there simply isn't a suitable crane at the place they pulled her out. So they took advantage of a lack of keel to get her out of the water at the nearest place they could find a ramp.

[rmb]

they do not have center point lifts. they are in la trinite where the boat lives

Our AIS B was good for seeing freighters up to 100 miles. (if you have the antenna at the top of the mast)

New broadband radar does not consume much, and regardless, if it is that or hitting a fishing boat, i pick pwer consumption.

normally without radar we were about 7 amps for 24 volts and the hydrogenerator makes the same at about 10 knots, and easily more at 15 knots.

[Francis Vaughan]

Our AIS B was good for seeing freighters up to 100 miles. (if you have the antenna at the top of the mast)

That is interesting. Seeing a freighter which has AIS A shouldn't be hard, I wonder how far away you can see other AIS B transponders, or how far way other IMOCA boats with AIS B can see your AIS B? Top of mast installation of the antenna will clearly make a significant difference versus near deck level.
There are two questions here. The safety one addressed by being able to see large vessels that may be a threat, the tactical issue is how far away you can see other boats in the race fleet.

[CPJIII]

Go Bernard! keeping fingers crossed he keeps that boat together...looks like its keeping up with Macif...PRB round the outside move is now showing well...

Im not sure prb,s outside move is paying. When he split west from banq pop and macif he was what 25 miles back? Looks like he lost miles in the race south.

Yeah PRB's move did not pay off very well I agree...Still hanging in there moving south in 4th though...next weather sysytem will see if being on the outside pays off or not for PRB...

[mr_ryano]

The tracker shows the wind shifting 90 deg. right before Acconia cuts east.

Bubi may have rig damage. He's looking for a place to pull in and do an inspection.

Gutek also having major electrical issues. May be the next to pull out....

[Big Show]

I am really amazed at the posted speed(s) of F. Gabart. In 102 hours of racing, he manages to be 1/2 knot faster on average. That is huge in terms of yacht design.www.tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

Very Mich' Dej'esque eh?

A star is born. What's not to love about the not yet 30 year old pupil of the BEST EVER leading and absolutely sending it.

I hope Ronnie's wrong and Gabart doesn't break.

The tail that kid must have thrown at him in France. Wow.

Is he married? May keep him more focused.

[popo]

seems to be a nice guy !



having to translate for a brit ....

[Laurent]

So why 5 updates per day?
There is a small article by the Race Director on the French Vendee Globe site; it asnwers some of the questions raised in this forum in a very pragmatic way, but I did not see it on the English version of the web site, so here it is:

<<
The main principle is to make sure that the data sent to the skippers is the same than what is delivered to the landlubbers that we are, and at the same time. This is to ensure that the onshore team cannot feed back information to the sailors.
Furthermore, the sailors in the Vendée Globe are singlehanded, not part of a crew. The position updates schedule has a critical impact on their daily life; they wait for it with impatience. The sailors asked to have enough position updates to see how the fleet is doing, but not too much so they are not too focused on it either. This equilibrium has been found slowly but surely over the previous editions of the race.

Why 5 position updates, then?
It allows the sailors to follow the fleet, without spending too much time on it. It gives enough information.
5 updates allow the landlubbers, around the world to follow the race.
And it allows to keep some "suspense", between 2 updates; and keep everybody interested for 3 months. Its long, 3 months...
And last but not least, 5 updates allow the race organization, which must put in place a few procedures to deliver those updates to make it happen with one shift only, avoiding to double up the team taking care of that process.

[Carboninit]

seems to be a nice guy !



having to translate for a brit ....

Is Sam sponsored by Readybrek, mmmmmmm Readybrek

[richie]

...major slowdown for MACIF...4.6 knots!

[richie]

The tracker shows the wind shifting 90 deg. right before Acconia cuts east.

Bubi may have rig damage. He's looking for a place to pull in and do an inspection.

Gutek also having major electrical issues. May be the next to pull out....

...actually Gutek starts to catch up...

[JaredC]

Two collisions in the first few days of the biggest / most professional solo race... I'm not a doomsday crier about this stuff, but that does not help the singlehanding vs. COLREG issue at all. Carry on.

[Tucky]

Popo, thanks so much. If you and Laurent can keep this up, we anglais and mericans will be very happy.

[mad]

I am getting pissed off of reports of imoca hit by Portugese fishing boat . The Atlantic fleet come out of La Coruna . It could be a French ,English ,Spanish fishing boat or any nationalty boat that hit an imoca and I reckon its an imoca that hit a fishing boat . The size of the swell in the bay is big , thats why ships have orange stripes on the bridge so maybe you can see them . Its an accident thats happened. None of us were there. To point the finger is wrong and pointless. The fisherman are doing there job as are the Imoca mob.

I agree these imoca sailor are completely reckless barreling along at uncontrollable speeds often asleep or in the dark. There will be a few whales killed before this is over..

Back into your shitpit you moronic little troll

[Presuming Ed]

Two collisions in the first few days of the biggest / most professional solo race... I'm not a doomsday crier about this stuff, but that does not help the singlehanding vs. COLREG issue at all. Carry on.

Yup. Wonder if for next time they'll put in a virtual mark off Finisterre and/or call for the Azores to be left to port, to keep boats away from the Spanish/Portuguese coast.

[polarbear]

Gabart going slow. Hope the boat is ok and that he's just hit a light patch. Number 2 and 3 are catching up...

[mad]

Two collisions in the first few days of the biggest / most professional solo race... I'm not a doomsday crier about this stuff, but that does not help the singlehanding vs. COLREG issue at all. Carry on.

Yup. Wonder if for next time they'll put in a virtual mark off Finisterre and/or call for the Azores to be left to port, to keep boats away from the Spanish/Portuguese coast.

Surprised that no-ones mentioned that before, or did I miss something?

[LeoV]

Only big problem if they kill\ hurt someone on the receiving end.
As long its just damage and refunded well, with the small odds, they do not care much.
They have bigger problems like submarines , wrecks on the bottom, and unlit navy/fishing police ships scaring the hell out of them.
And they recognize how much income the sailing generates in their villages, due to tourism, so this is taken in for granted.
(asked this in Muros to some fishing guys as I was sitting in on the village party, could be their village policy, but they made some good points.).

[Speng]

An IMOCA or any of the raceboats likely to be shorthanded is not like to do any damage to a commercial vessel. The fishermen who hit Bel probably only had to dust off the Nomex powder he left behind... Even with this race and ATs collision in the last race it's been 3 collisions in the last 5 years? i reckon the commercial vessels have that many in a month off the western European coastline.

Popo the subtitles are great. Funny I can understand AdB's French really well even with the Italian accent. Sam is a little weird with the British/Breton accent. Dominique Wavre is like a textbook (BTW the translation of "sympathetique" is "nice" - there are so many word for "nice" in French and English). Great job you and Laurent have futures in the translation biz.

Looking at the tracker and the forecast over the next 24hrs the boats to the east of the orthodromic line are going to be screwed by a lack of pressure while the boats to the west of Gabard should have some more pressure

[Speng]

Safran's keel looks like it was rippid off at the trailing edge which could be indicative of an impact. Obviously unless they post a pic of the entire broken surface you won't be able to tell and maybe they will be unwilling to do that as it might compromise some of Safran's proprietary technology. Maybe this is a good thing in disguise: if Guillemot had done well you could have seen a rush on titanium keels in the fleet which would be like the tungsten bulb rush a few years ago before they banned it.

Is/was the keel hollow?

[Speng]

Regarding Bureau Vallee would it be useful to carry spare shrouds? In the walk trhu Acciona Bubi showed some spare shrouds ( I think they were PBO or Dyneema rope) and he said they weighed fuck all. I guess the conventionally rigged boats use carbon shrouds which might be inconvenient to coil? I dunno never seen the stuff.

[moody frog]

Safran's keel looks like it was rippid off at the trailing edge which could be indicative of an impact. Obviously unless they post a pic of the entire broken surface you won't be able to tell and maybe they will be unwilling to do that as it might compromise some of Safran's proprietary technology. Maybe this is a good thing in disguise: if Guillemot had done well you could have seen a rush on titanium keels in the fleet which would be like the tungsten bulb rush a few years ago before they banned it.

Is/was the keel hollow?

Yes

[Hastings]

Looks like Vincent is committed to the notion west is best.

[Presuming Ed]

http://www.yachtingw...c-risks-ignored

Merfyn Owen..."Keel and rig failures are by far the main reasons why people are leaving the race, but IMOCA are crap, they are just not listening to us. Maybe we could have sorted this out some years ago, but they have not addressed these problems. Not one iota, right up to the present."

"We need," he continues angrily, "a class that is run by adults."

Go on Merf, tell us what you really feel!

[Carboninit]

Macif still going slow , whats up? Hello MAD how are you today?

[polarbear]

Macif still going slow , whats up?

Looks like he'll be in 3rd very soon...

Although he's fallen behind recently, it looks to me like Riou will come out ok with his decision to go west.

[Carboninit]

Will the front runners follow or split ? All to play for and we haven't had the doldrums yet. How long does it take to gybe a 60 on your own and get sorted?