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[PNW Matt B]

Actually, if it's feasible to do it as Salazar suggests, you could make the door in two sections with a hinge. Flip it up once and it's a double-thick Dutch door, flip it again and the whole companionway is closed. It would take good craftsmanship and some thinking to make the hinged piece waterproof but it could be done - a stepped transition like a traditional hatch board and possibly a nylon/other fabric skirt over the outside seam should do it.

[Jose Carumba]

Now that's a fine little looking hooker.

Your going to have to explain that one Bob.

Oh those Galway girls...

[doora]

Now that's a fine little looking hooker.

Your going to have to explain that one Bob.

Oh those Galway girls...

Galway girl, that reminds me of this


The craic was mighty that night.


and in case you are not sure about the Galway Hooker..

http://en.wikipedia...._in_Belfast.jpg

[Bob Perry]

There are a lot of reefs in the main of that little hooker.

[Nessun Dorma]

Those are all good ideas. I rather like the hinged idea better than the slide. I'll discuss them with Bob and PSC and let you guys know. thanks.

Yes the step is temporary.

Do a short door that's hinged at the bottom. When open, it forms the top of a low bridge deck. Flip it up and latch it, you have a high sill for water to get over. Two hatchboards above to completely close the companionway.

I really like this suggestion so I'll take it a bit further:

Instead of this being a low bridge deck this door (folding washboard) could be recessed into the cockpit sole, concealed just below a hinged teak grate that forms part of the sole just in front of the companionway. Lift the grate (which is hinged aft), flip up the door hidden below to close off the lower section of the companionway, drop the teak grate back down. This door / washboard could be as high as needed, a couple of inches higher than the seats if needed so water rolling down the seats won't just roll in the opening. You could locate the large cockpit drains under this grate as well.

I'm assuming the step at the companionway shown in the photos is just a temporary measure?

[Nessun Dorma]

Edit: While the ideas are all good (dutch doors, which we actually looked at), hinged drop boards, sliding board, etc., they all miss the mark a bit. We will have drop boards and stowing them nearby will not be hard. Nor will installing them when needed. The issue is that of surprise, or of laziness or complacency. The reason a bridge deck high up is safe and comforting is exactly the reason that it is inconvenient to pass over: it's always there. My concern is that I, or someone else, may neglect to put the boards in soon enough and/or we take on a rogue. That's the issue. On balance we are leaning towards a non-permanent solution - the amount of time going in and out versus the likelihood of surprise compunded by human error seem worth the risks. That said, the hinged doors could be made to work and I'll look at them.

[Estar]

Edit: While the ideas are all good (dutch doors, which we actually looked at), hinged drop boards, sliding board, etc., they all miss the mark a bit. We will have drop boards and stowing them nearby will not be hard. Nor will installing them when needed. The issue is that of surprise, or of laziness or complacency. The reason a bridge deck high up is safe and comforting is exactly the reason that it is inconvenient to pass over: it's always there. My concern is that I, or someone else, may neglect to put the boards in soon enough and/or we take on a rogue. That's the issue. On balance we are leaning towards a non-permanent solution - the amount of time going in and out versus the likelihood of surprise compunded by human error seem worth the risks. That said, the hinged doors could be made to work and I'll look at them.

ND,

The deal with a 'real' door is four fold #1 it is always there to be slammed shut in a 1/3 of a second, #2 at sea in waves you do not have to dance around with wash boards in one hand and holding on to the boat in the other hand, and #3 for in harbour, with a door you can have a real commercial lock - with washboard you always end up with some second rate flimsy lock, #4 a real door can be made truly watertight, even under wave pressure. I have never seen truly watertight wash boards.

[Nessun Dorma]

Good points and fair, I see the difference. Thanks.

Edit: While the ideas are all good (dutch doors, which we actually looked at), hinged drop boards, sliding board, etc., they all miss the mark a bit. We will have drop boards and stowing them nearby will not be hard. Nor will installing them when needed. The issue is that of surprise, or of laziness or complacency. The reason a bridge deck high up is safe and comforting is exactly the reason that it is inconvenient to pass over: it's always there. My concern is that I, or someone else, may neglect to put the boards in soon enough and/or we take on a rogue. That's the issue. On balance we are leaning towards a non-permanent solution - the amount of time going in and out versus the likelihood of surprise compunded by human error seem worth the risks. That said, the hinged doors could be made to work and I'll look at them.

ND,

The deal with a 'real' door is four fold #1 it is always there to be slammed shut in a 1/3 of a second, #2 at sea in waves you do not have to dance around with wash boards in one hand and holding on to the boat in the other hand, and #3 for in harbour, with a door you can have a real commercial lock - with washboard you always end up with some second rate flimsy lock, #4 a real door can be made truly watertight, even under wave pressure. I have never seen truly watertight wash boards.

[Nessun Dorma]

A little eye candy for the troops (sorry guys, no tits just hulls).

These hull renderings just arrived from Bob earlier today, and I think I finally have them opened and saved in a format I can share. The actual hull lines I still find difficult to visualize in 3D, so for me and my family these are very helpful. These reflect some minor extensions and overhang aft.

I could sit and stare at these pretty things all day long, even if it weren't my boat.

Nice work, Maestro.

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[Ishmael]

A little eye candy for the troops (sorry guys, no tits just hulls).

These hull renderings just arrived from Bob earlier today, and I think I finally have them opened and saved in a format I can share. The actual hull lines I still find difficult to visualize in 3D, so for me and my family these are very helpful. These reflect some minor extensions and overhang aft.

I could sit and stare at these pretty things all day long, even if it weren't my boat.

Nice work, Maestro.

Oh my, she's got chunky legs.

I guess that unless you are going to go with 14 feet of draft, the lead has to go somewhere. Have you considered a nice skinny keel with a fat bulb of unobtainium on the bottom? Like boat botox...

Edit: the rest of the package is so nice that I drool, I like a girl with a little meat on her thighs.

[Nessun Dorma]

I'm not sure I'd call her fat in the thighs, but to each their own! Remember that the WL is way above the keel extension, just at the cut on the rudder. There's a lot of boat below WL. What I do is take the images and drag them down so i can see her floating on her lines. Try that and see if she is still pleasingly rotund for your tastes.

A little eye candy for the troops (sorry guys, no tits just hulls).

These hull renderings just arrived from Bob earlier today, and I think I finally have them opened and saved in a format I can share. The actual hull lines I still find difficult to visualize in 3D, so for me and my family these are very helpful. These reflect some minor extensions and overhang aft.

I could sit and stare at these pretty things all day long, even if it weren't my boat.

Nice work, Maestro.

Oh my, she's got chunky legs.

I guess that unless you are going to go with 14 feet of draft, the lead has to go somewhere. Have you considered a nice skinny keel with a fat bulb of unobtainium on the bottom? Like boat botox...

Edit: the rest of the package is so nice that I drool, I like a girl with a little meat on her thighs.

[floating dutchman]

ND: Rear cotpit entrance, Personaly I find a high step easy to get over but a long step (ie a storage compartment) difficult. A high step you can swing your legs over but something your mind wants you to step on as you enter or leave inside the boat becomes hard, Make sence?
One thing thats simple that you may want to consider is making the first (bottom) wash-board smaller than the rest, If it's iffy conditions the just put in the first wash-board that can still be (relitivlty) easily stepped over.

Ishmael: I think that "chunky legs" look is because the keel is so long and Bob wants to keep a foil shape going. I like it myself, and it's a good space to keep heavy stuff (fuel, Lead. etc).

ND, That hull, Oh so lovely, shear line, overhangs, absolutly lovely. The sections forward look flat to my eye, I guess it's just as well Bob is designing her for you and not me.

[Nessun Dorma]

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

[floating dutchman]

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet wung and bob remind me that ORC cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

12" is not a lot to step over, neither is 8" deep (as a max) 6" still gives space for winch handles etc., being able to sit on will be gold! I'd like to be able to sit on my sill with bit more comfort.

[Nessun Dorma]

12 x 10 may be the largest I could go. I need to feel this in the mock up. But at that size stowage options expand. Cockpit odds and ends as well as a little day cooler.

I need to go measure a six pack.

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet wung and bob remind me that ORC cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

12" is not a lot to step over, neither is 8" deep (as a max) 6" still gives space for winch handles etc., being able to sit on will be gold! I'd like to be able to sit on my sill with bit more comfort.

[floating dutchman]

About the six pack:

http://www.astrodigi...e/stshorse.html

Good to see you are thinking.

[memopad]

ooooo that's a pretty boat! Respect to you ND. I think my head would explode trying to decide exactly what I wanted and getting everything perfect.

[kdh]

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

ND, in case you care here's what I have. I can tell you that it works for everybody. There's stowage in the step. A great way to be in the way is to stand or sit at the companionway so I can't say we sit on it much. I usually grab each side of the companionway and "swing" down below onto the companionway steps. I think I bypass the step in the process, but honestly I don't know.

Gorgeous transom.

I've found this an interesting exercise in the idea that if one designs to displacement and not length overhangs result. The result is stunning.

[Innocent Bystander]

A little eye candy for the troops (sorry guys, no tits just hulls).

These hull renderings just arrived from Bob earlier today, and I think I finally have them opened and saved in a format I can share. The actual hull lines I still find difficult to visualize in 3D, so for me and my family these are very helpful. These reflect some minor extensions and overhang aft.

I could sit and stare at these pretty things all day long, even if it weren't my boat.

Nice work, Maestro.

Great looking lines. Not some skiny waif where you cut toothbrushes in 1/2 to save weight. She's got some "meat" but in a sexy, volupuous way. Not fat at all. In a perfect world, 14' of fin would skinny up the keel but you'd always anchor in an open roadstead. Longer keel gets the lead where you need it and adds lateral plane.

Sign me up for the delivery. She'll be a fine sea boat.

[Nessun Dorma]

Of course I care!! Why would I not care about your boat?! She's pretty, but as you note I don't think I'd use the step either. I agree that while sailing no one should sit on the companionway , but on passages when its just you or its all quiet on AP that's the place to be.

Thanks for the observation about displacement and not length. From the very first design brief we gave Bob, Susan and I told him what we wanted to accomplish with the boat, how many people, how many crew, passages versus coastal versus anchored, how long away, etc, and he suggested and designed around those requirements. I think we may have said "to us this suggests a boat of around 45,000 pound LSW" but we said no more than that (we are now at 48,000 LSW). I knew I wanted WL of at least 45 feet so we could achieve better speeds (we are at ~50). I knew I wanted a L/B of no less than 3.5:1 (we are at 4:1, 60/15). I never really thought or cared (within reason) much what the LOA was.

It really has been amazing to me and my family what Bob has done. I think I shared once before that when my 24 year old daughter (English major, editor and author of the design brief) first saw the drawings she exclaimed "Its like Bob Perry took our words and all we said we hoped for, held them up to a magic mirror and molded them into a boat."

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

ND, in case you care here's what I have. I can tell you that it works for everybody. There's stowage in the step. A great way to be in the way is to stand or sit at the companionway so I can't say we sit on it much. I usually grab each side of the companionway and and "swing" down below onto the companionway steps. I think I bypass the step in the process, but honestly I don't know.

Gorgeous transom.

I've found this an interesting exercise in the idea that if one designs to displacement and not length overhangs result. The result is stunning.

[Salazar]

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

ND, in case you care here's what I have. I can tell you that it works for everybody. There's stowage in the step. A great way to be in the way is to stand or sit at the companionway so I can't say we sit on it much. I usually grab each side of the companionway and and "swing" down below onto the companionway steps. I think I bypass the step in the process, but honestly I don't know.

Gorgeous transom.

I've found this an interesting exercise in the idea that if one designs to displacement and not length overhangs result. The result is stunning.

This is not intended as a slight on your boat, kdh, your boat is beautiful, but the step would just annoy me I think. I would rather just step over the sill.

[Innocent Bystander]

"Its like Bob Perry took our words and all we said we hoped for, held them up to a magic mirror and molded them into a boat."

What a wonderful testimony to a talented artist.

[kdh]

I don't think I'd use the step either. I agree that while sailing no one should sit on the companionway , but on passages when its just you or its all quiet on AP that's the place to be.

ND, now that you write it when we're on passage the watch sits under the dodger on the port side where the radar display is. It's nice to have the step as a place to put a foot while sitting there. Sal, I can see your point but it never seems in the way, for what it's worth.

[kdh]

"Its like Bob Perry took our words and all we said we hoped for, held them up to a magic mirror and molded them into a boat."

What a wonderful testimony to a talented artist.

Art and science my boy, art and science. Well done, maestro.

[Joli]

I had to go look, I guess we are 6~7 inches high and 8 or so inches deep. I never noticed it being high or deep.

One other thought, can you push the door opening higher? Looking at the mock ups the top of the door is 6~8 inches below the hard dodger?

[kdh]

Joli, "We do fine shorthanded. Just me, the Mrs, and 15 winches."

[Joli]

You forgot the BIG winches in the back of the bus. One nice thing, we never lack a spot to trim from. sh:P

Joli, "We do fine shorthanded. Just me, the Mrs, and 15 winches."

[Nessun Dorma]

Yes we have another 4" there, maybe 5", but we need room for structure.

One option bob, PSC and I are kicking around this morning is a large integral sliding hatch in the aft portion of the overhang,over top of the walkway. If there's room to move it ahead of the companionway header we have a home run. I'll keep the WLYDO posted as best I can.

I had to go look, I guess we are 6~7 inches high and 8 or so inches deep. I never noticed it being high or deep.

One other thought, can you push the door opening higher? Looking at the mock ups the top of the door is 6~8 inches below the hard dodger?

[Joli]

That is "exactly" what we will be doing when we fit our hard dodger. The Outbound 56? has the cut out without the sliding hatch. It opens up the "pass through" tremendously. +1

One option bob, PSC and I are kicking around this morning is a large integral sliding hatch in the aft portion of the overhang

[Anomaly2]

Joli, "We do fine shorthanded. Just me, the Mrs, and 15 winches, and beer"

fixed it for you.....

[Estar]

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

Just fyi . . . The 2012 ORC rule is below. Note two things: #1 the emphasis on blocking off up to the local shear line, and #2 that you still have access (to get in and out) even with the blocking devices in. Hawk's entrance was designed to meet this - a bit tricky - we have a 14" fixed sill and the lower part of the dutch door blocks up to just above the local shear line (which is the seat level and so a full cockpit can drain aft over the helm seat at that level) and a step to allow easy access over when the lower part of the door is closed.


3.08.6 For boats with a cockpit closed aft to the sea where the companionway hatch extends below the local sheerline, the companionway shall be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, provided that the companionway hatch shall continue to give access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place

3.08.7 A companionway hatch extending below the local sheerline and shall .... be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, whilst giving access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place with a minimum sill height of 300 mm.

[Joli]

Thank you!

Joli, "We do fine shorthanded. Just me, the Mrs, and 15 winches, and beer"

fixed it for you.....

[Nessun Dorma]

That's the concept but can't say I'm a fan of the aesthetics of the outbound.

That is "exactly" what we will be doing when we fit our hard dodger. The Outbound 56? has the cut out without the sliding hatch. It opens up the "pass through" tremendously. +1

One option bob, PSC and I are kicking around this morning is a large integral sliding hatch in the aft portion of the overhang

[Nessun Dorma]

Correct, that's the new rule revision we're trying to address. Personally it seems to me that there should be some consideration under the rule for the size of the boat, rather than a blanket rule. But that isn't so. 12" above local sheer isn't easy to do well -- it almost encourages open aft cockpit designs.

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

Just fyi . . . The 2012 ORC rule is below. Note two things: #1 the emphasis on blocking off up to the local shear line, and #2 that you still have access (to get in and out) even with the blocking devices in. Hawk's entrance was designed to meet this - a bit tricky - we have a 14" fixed sill and the lower part of the dutch door blocks up to just above the local shear line (which is the seat level and so a full cockpit can drain aft over the helm seat at that level) and a step to allow easy access over when the lower part of the door is closed.


3.08.6 For boats with a cockpit closed aft to the sea where the companionway hatch extends below the local sheerline, the companionway shall be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, provided that the companionway hatch shall continue to give access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place

3.08.7 A companionway hatch extending below the local sheerline and shall .... be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, whilst giving access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place with a minimum sill height of 300 mm.

[bljones]

After years of abuse, neglect, and being referred to as cocksuckers, motherfuckers and sonsabitches, the winches had finally had enough. Big Lew gathered the troops and addressed them from the transom:
"Fuckin' racer/cruisers or cruiser/racers or whatever the fuck they call themselves, we aren't gonna sweat and grind under their tyranny no more! First human come out of that hatch is gonna get a hurtin'! 8s and 16s, look sharp! You see a meatbag show his head above the bridgedeck, you move around and get his ankles when he tries to climb over the coaming! Cleats, just sit there and look stupid. We're takin' back this boat!"

[Estar]

Agreed, its a pretty inflexible rule, really only suited to today's race boat designs.

Hmmm . . . "12" above local sheer" . . . .interesting, that had not been my interpretation. I think it says you need a sill which is the mimimum of 12" above the cockpit sole and a movable blocking device with is level with the local shear line - not a sill nor a blocking device 12" above the sheer line. However, I am not absolutely sure that is correct. I am on the US Sailing Committee that approves this stuff and I could easily and quickly ask for the official interpretation if you want - unless WHL already has the official word..

Correct, that's the new rule revision we're trying to address. Personally it seems to me that there should be some consideration under the rule for the size of the boat, rather than a blanket rule. But that isn't so. isn't easy to do well -- it almost encourages open aft cockpit designs.

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

Just fyi . . . The 2012 ORC rule is below. Note two things: #1 the emphasis on blocking off up to the local shear line, and #2 that you still have access (to get in and out) even with the blocking devices in. Hawk's entrance was designed to meet this - a bit tricky - we have a 14" fixed sill and the lower part of the dutch door blocks up to just above the local shear line (which is the seat level and so a full cockpit can drain aft over the helm seat at that level) and a step to allow easy access over when the lower part of the door is closed.


3.08.6 For boats with a cockpit closed aft to the sea where the companionway hatch extends below the local sheerline, the companionway shall be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, provided that the companionway hatch shall continue to give access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place

3.08.7 A companionway hatch extending below the local sheerline and shall .... be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, whilst giving access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place with a minimum sill height of 300 mm.

[Steam Flyer]

...

After years of abuse, neglect, and being referred to as cocksuckers, motherfuckers and sonsabitches, the winches had finally had enough. Big Lew gathered the troops and addressed them from the transom:
"Fuckin' racer/cruisers or cruiser/racers or whatever the fuck they call themselves, we aren't gonna sweat and grind under their tyranny no more! First human come out of that hatch is gonna get a hurtin'! 8s and 16s, look sharp! You see a meatbag show his head above the bridgedeck, you move around and get his ankles when he tries to climb over the coaming! Cleats, just sit there and look stupid. We're takin' back this boat!"

Right... "call me a motherfucker and then give me a winch handle? Go ahead, make my day!"


I generally treat my winches pretty well, I will be sure to pay them some compliments from now on.

FB- Doug

[WHL]

Agreed, its a pretty inflexible rule, really only suited to today's race boat designs.

Hmmm . . . "12" above local sheer" . . . .interesting, that had not been my interpretation. I think it says you need a sill which is the mimimum of 12" above the cockpit sole and a movable blocking device with is level with the local shear line - not a sill nor a blocking device 12" above the sheer line. However, I am not absolutely sure that is correct. I am on the US Sailing Committee that approves this stuff and I could easily and quickly ask for the official interpretation if you want - unless WHL already has the official word..

Correct, that's the new rule revision we're trying to address. Personally it seems to me that there should be some consideration under the rule for the size of the boat, rather than a blanket rule. But that isn't so. isn't easy to do well -- it almost encourages open aft cockpit designs.

I understand completely about the sill versus the step. We are considering each now. It's all compromise. But any sill more than six inches tall presents an obstacle of sorts if permanent. Yet Wung and bob remind me that ORC Cat 0 now requires 12" of sill, at a minimum . Part of me says just go ahead and create a 12" tall by 8" to 10" deep ledge. At least I could sit on it!

Just fyi . . . The 2012 ORC rule is below. Note two things: #1 the emphasis on blocking off up to the local shear line, and #2 that you still have access (to get in and out) even with the blocking devices in. Hawk's entrance was designed to meet this - a bit tricky - we have a 14" fixed sill and the lower part of the dutch door blocks up to just above the local shear line (which is the seat level and so a full cockpit can drain aft over the helm seat at that level) and a step to allow easy access over when the lower part of the door is closed.


3.08.6 For boats with a cockpit closed aft to the sea where the companionway hatch extends below the local sheerline, the companionway shall be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, provided that the companionway hatch shall continue to give access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place

3.08.7 A companionway hatch extending below the local sheerline and shall .... be capable of being blocked off up to the level of the local sheerline, whilst giving access to the interior with the blocking devices (e.g. washboards) in place with a minimum sill height of 300 mm.

Estar, your interpretation is correct. There are two separate aspects to this, sill height above the sole of 300mm, and companionway blocking to the height of the sheer adjacent to the companionway ("local sheerline").

I am assuming that the logic behind the height being equivalent to local sheerline, is to stop water that's accumulated in the cockpit from getting below. The latter requirement is fine for pure race boats that often don't have coamings, but it has always made me wonder what they were thinking where a boat has high coamings around the cockpit (like Catari) and you only block it off to the sheerline level. With that kind of flaw, it makes you wonder what thinking went into 300mm as the right minimum height for the sill !!!.

I can understand that being reasonable for boats with low freeboard. Even on On CL's Hinckley 42 with a decent freeboard, twice the cockpit was awash from surprising boarding waves that slapped up against the hull, simply beam reaching in about 15 to 20 knots. The crisscrossing wave trains were a bit sloppy so thankfully a drop board was in.

Despite Catari's much higher freeboard, I can see why a safety regulator has just kept this simple with a "one size fits all" sill requirement. It keeps it simple for designers and rule Measurers right?

[Beau.Vrolyk]

ND and Bob,

The 3D renderings are of what will be a lovely boat. Very very nice, IMHO.

I like the way she's full enough to carry "stuff", yet svelte enough to move along nicely. You won't be winning any windward/leeward races in her, but put her on a 6 day reach in rough seas and she's the boat I'd prefer over any of the race-bread boats.

Well done! (But you knew that.)

BV

[us7070]

doesn't 3.08.6 provide an exception for boats with closed transoms?

my book doesn't have 3.08.7 - i guess because it's an "extract"

[Estar]

doesn't 3.08.6 provide an exception for boats with closed transoms?

my book doesn't have 3.08.7 - i guess because it's an "extract"

Are you looking at the 2012-2013 edition?

[WHL]

doesn't 3.08.6 provide an exception for boats with closed transoms?

my book doesn't have 3.08.7 - i guess because it's an "extract"

OK everyone is off the hook... the sill height of 300mm ONLY applies to multihulls.
phew...............

[sailglobal]

Joli, "We do fine shorthanded. Just me, the Mrs, and 15 whenches, and beer"

fixed it for you.....almost

[Beau.Vrolyk]

doesn't 3.08.6 provide an exception for boats with closed transoms?

my book doesn't have 3.08.7 - i guess because it's an "extract"

OK everyone is off the hook... the sill height of 300mm ONLY applies to multihulls.
phew...............

WHL,

Thanks - for me that actually matters with me rig on S'agapo.

Beau

[Silverbullet]

Such beautiful lines, and I'm a huge fan of the aft extension - you have to have room to fight/land the fish you'll be catching afterall! You'll need a nice quiver of tuna plugs.

Can someone chime in and tell me what the difference in deck height aft to fore is called? Look at the last image of ND's pics (it won't let me copy/paste). Thx!

[wkd928]

Beautiful lines, thanks for sharing the ins and outs of your design spiral too.

[Nessun Dorma]

Susan and I were at Pacific Seacraft last week and spent the day going over some design details and the new cockpit mockups they'd built. The Aft cockpit reflects the latest revisions to raise the house roof slightly (while still permitting 5'5" visibilty over top of it), raising the bridge deck/ledge and re-shaping the overhang and aft deck.

PSC had also built the first version of the center cockpit mockup. That one was a pleasant surprise as everything was larger than it felt on paper, and the seats were plenty secure (for a non-working cockpit)and very comfortable even without the stainless steel backrest/handrail Bob has designed. That'll raise the backrest a bit and provide inboard hand holds accross the CC.

All in all eveything worked out better than expected and we were happy. Thanks to Bob, Wung and the PSC guys for all the thought and work.

Attached are some pictures of the New Center Cockpit. I'll upload pictures of the revised Aft cockpit and the overhang under the house under a seperate post.

For context, I'm 70/71" tall and Susan is 64/65" tall.

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•  CC aft seat, lying down.JPG   76.39K   249 downloads
•  CC Aft seat, sitting.JPG   81.03K   234 downloads
•  CC as Yoga platform.JPG   77.14K   219 downloads
•  CC from above.JPG   64.91K   196 downloads
•  cc port side and aft seat.JPG   56.25K   198 downloads
•  CC seating 3 accross to eat.JPG   83.31K   228 downloads
•  CC three lounging.JPG   78.41K   212 downloads
•  Cente Cockpit sleeping.JPG   65.29K   217 downloads
•  Starboard Center Cockpit seat 2.JPG   76.96K   231 downloads
•  Starboard Center Cockpit seat.JPG   77.96K   187 downloads

[Nessun Dorma]

Aft cockpit/deck area mockups

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•  3 crew in helm station.JPG   83.52K   223 downloads
•  6\'2 + headroom.JPG   69.17K   197 downloads
•  36 wheel good height.JPG   78.29K   205 downloads
•  Aft cockpit Cubby and companionway.JPG   77.83K   197 downloads
•  aft cockpit from above.JPG   76.59K   185 downloads
•  aft cockpit headroom 2.JPG   75.83K   182 downloads
•  aft cockpit lounging.JPG   80.86K   193 downloads
•  aft cockpit view over house .JPG   84.76K   191 downloads
•  Aft Deck.JPG   62.22K   189 downloads
•  Aft overhang headroom.JPG   77.35K   195 downloads
•  bridgedeck-ledge.JPG   53.98K   199 downloads
•  coming out of aft cabin into cockpit.JPG   57.82K   208 downloads
•  lounging under overhang.JPG   69.72K   157 downloads

[Nessun Dorma]

More aft cockpit mockup shots. remember I am 70/71" tall and Sue is 64/65" - for context.

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•  stepping into cabin 1.JPG   59.35K   98 downloads
•  stepping into cabin 2.JPG   55.75K   86 downloads
•  stepping into cabin 3.JPG   60.35K   94 downloads
•  stepping into cockpit 6 foot 2.JPG   69.26K   153 downloads
•  view over house from wheel (65).JPG   74.74K   189 downloads
•  wheel height, aft deck and seats.JPG   88.64K   150 downloads

[steele]

I know it has been alluded to before, but I have a few quart of left over MAS epoxy in the basement, we could just slap some on the mock up and call it good. Build the hull and be sailing by Aug.

On another note, you guys look really happy. It must be fun to get to this point. I do not have quite the same feeling as a I mock up the location of the new Y vavle for the holding tank.

[Jose Carumba]

Those both look like very comfortable cockpits. Nice to be able to stretch out athwartships in the cc.

[Alpha FB]

Great look at the aft cockpit, particularily the split level between the aft section and the front, separated by the coamings - suddenly the two dimensional drawings we've seen start to make sense!

One question though: the seat height under the cuddy seems to be too high for comfort, your feet not touching the deck when seated - I understand it's necessary to have headroom under the cuddy, while still being able to see out of the boat when seated - but surely comfortable seating is also required for good watchkeeping?

[Nessun Dorma]

Mostly we (and most others) sit facing aft with legs tucked up or out, or braced athwartship with our feet on the other seat. When sitting facing centerline, there will be a stainless steel tutular footbrace (represented in the mockup by the footlevel wooden handrails). Make sense?

Great look at the aft cockpit, particularily the split level between the aft section and the front, separated by the coamings - suddenly the two dimensional drawings we've seen start to make sense!

One question though: the seat height under the cuddy seems to be too high for comfort, your feet not touching the deck when seated - I understand it's necessary to have headroom under the cuddy, while still being able to see out of the boat when seated - but surely comfortable seating is also required for good watchkeeping?

[kdh]

I thought the same thing about facing aft with feet up on the seat when on watch. I thought about leaning back against that display in the mockup, but I suppose a cushion could take care of that.

I've been tracking the download counts on the pictures and Paul, Susan seems to be drawing a lot of attention. Yeah, we like boats, but especially girls with nice smiles on boats, even just mockups.

I tried that yoga pose and although I couldn't quite get it, convinced myself it's not yet completely out of reach.

Thanks for sharing.

[Nessun Dorma]

KdH:

I want you and others to know how deeply hurt I am that you guys havn't been downloading me and Brodie at the same rate!

Not a lot of folks can do the yoga poses Susan does; she's a Bikram instructor taking 12 hours of classes a week and teaching 12. Actually one of our design requirements was a space to perform yoga postures at anchor. See the shit Bob has to put up with?

I've attached a better yoga pose from last month.

That one shot of the paper MFD was trial and error, and we all decided it was an error, for the reasons you say. Right now we're looking at adding windows high up on those bulkheads aft for air flow and to see through and out to the front windows, and the MFDs will likely either flip down from the roof or be mouned on a 360 arm. The aft bulkheads are a bad place for MFDs -- the bulkheads need to be the backrests and you can't see the displays if they're there when on watch and facing aft.

I thought the same thing about facing aft with feet up on the seat when on watch. I thought about leaning back against that display in the mockup, but I suppose a cushion could take care of that.

I've been tracking the download counts on the pictures and Paul, Susan seems to be drawing a lot of attention. Yeah, we like boats, but especially girls with nice smiles on boats, even just mockups.

I tried that yoga pose and although I couldn't quite get it, convinced myself it's not yet completely out of reach.

Thanks for sharing.

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[Joli]

At 60 foot, it's all bigger. If you're use to 35 to 45 foot it's tough to describe the difference. You'll enjoy the space once you grow comfortable with it.

It looks great, you'll have a lovely boat to enjoy for years.

And yoga's tough, I would much rather lift or run then do yoga.

That one was a pleasant surprise as everything was larger than it felt on paper

[Soñadora]

That is damn impressive Paul!

[Paps]

Susan will definitely be needing a hot tub conversion for the center cockpit for post Yoga beverages !!

[Tom Ray]

PSC had also built the first version of the center cockpit mockup.

Looks like they somehow got the companionway off centerline. You're going to make them fix that, aren't you?

[Bob Perry]

You see that yoga posotion Susan is in?

I hold that same pose every morning for at least 3 seconds before starting work on ND's boat.
Ok, it's not exactly that pose but it feels like that when I pull my socks on in the morning.

[Hike, Bitches!]

Susan reminds me of Kate Beckinsale...one of the hottest women on the planet after Mrs. Bitches.

Oh wait was this about the boat???

[The Advocate]

Looks amazing ND, Bob and PSC has done you proud.

Really does show the value of a good mock up as I didn't see the pathways being as open as that from the drawing, though Bob did msg me and say they are bigger than I thought, and he was right. Again...

My 2c on the sill.

Do a short door that's hinged at the bottom. When open, it forms the top of a low bridge deck. Flip it up and latch it, you have a high sill for water to get over. Two hatchboards above to completely close the companionway.

Had this on a custom Swan I used to cruise a bit on. Worked really well. It's bridge deck was approx 350mm high (same as seats) and approx 450 long which meant you had to step onto it rather than over it, and I found this quite good, despite initially thinking it was going to be a pain.

It is the step over that is the PITA, but if you design that out so that you step up then down, it is great, and I like the added security of having the closure system right there for a moments notice to put in. A day fridge is a nice touch as well.

Congrats mate.

[SecondWindNC]

The mockups are really well done. What a great way to get a hands-on sense of what works and what doesn't in order to make the final tweaks and changes.

[donegober]

Slap:
I agree but I think that is an illusion. I think the slope is the samne as it goes forward. And there lies the problem. If you do that you create the effect that there is less slope foward. I learned that on the Valiant 40. I looked at the V40 cabin trunk and ask4ed myself, "Did I draw it like that?" I said back to myself, "Yes you did. You idiot. Now, never do that again." I was 29 years old.

I think some of the very best looking cabin trunks were built by Jerry Driscol when he built a series of S&S boats all around 46 to 50' BRUSHFIRE is a boat name that comes to mind. I was never sure of how much of it was Driscol's eye and how much was the S&S drawings. I suspect the nuances of those shape is more Driscol's responsability. Jerry Driscol once lectured me on cabin trun design and I listened. Mt feelings were hurt but I knew I was learning something from a master.

is this the design you are referring to http://www.yachtworl...0/United-States beautiful yacht.

[Paps]

That cabin is a work of art in every respect but the colour! What were they thinking??

[Innocent Bystander]

Slap:
I agree but I think that is an illusion. I think the slope is the samne as it goes forward. And there lies the problem. If you do that you create the effect that there is less slope foward. I learned that on the Valiant 40. I looked at the V40 cabin trunk and ask4ed myself, "Did I draw it like that?" I said back to myself, "Yes you did. You idiot. Now, never do that again." I was 29 years old.

I think some of the very best looking cabin trunks were built by Jerry Driscol when he built a series of S&S boats all around 46 to 50' BRUSHFIRE is a boat name that comes to mind. I was never sure of how much of it was Driscol's eye and how much was the S&S drawings. I suspect the nuances of those shape is more Driscol's responsability. Jerry Driscol once lectured me on cabin trun design and I listened. Mt feelings were hurt but I knew I was learning something from a master.

is this the design you are referring to http://www.yachtworl...0/United-States beautiful yacht.

Bob,

This Brushfire?

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[Bob Perry]

IB:
Yes, that's the boat. I waas in San Diego for two weeks while my band played at a club called HARVEY WALLBANGERS and during the days I'd wander the docks looking at boats. I saw this boat and there was a guy sitting on it. I struck up a conversation, me, a long haired hippy type ( this was a little while ago) and the guy was a very gracious owner who enjoyed showing me his boat and talking about it. I think he was the Commodore of the SDYC at the time. I was struck by the beauty and proportions of that boat. Boats in those days actually had worklable side decks.

[donegober]

That cabin is a work of art in every respect but the colour! What were they thinking??

im sure they can change that for you, the owners own two boatyards in san diego.

[Innocent Bystander]

That cabin is a work of art in every respect but the colour! What were they thinking??

Paps.

I think you mean: "What? Were they thinking?" because any thinging at all would have come up with a different color.

[donegober]

That cabin is a work of art in every respect but the colour! What were they thinking??

Paps.

I think you mean: "What? Were they thinking?" because any thinging at all would have come up with a different color.

the boat was gerry driscolls personal yacht (family yacht). the gerry bob referred to in a earlier post about cabin trunks. Gerry passed away march 2011 http://en.wikipedia....ld_Driscoll_III

[Hike, Bitches!]

WOW!. That Brushfire is gorgeous.

[floating dutchman]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

[Innocent Bystander]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

Sorry FD,

Th Office has a long standing tradition that thread drift is allowed and often encouraged when the OP doesn't keep up the flow of current info.

[kimbottles]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

Actually you said it four times.......

[floating dutchman]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

Actually you said it four times.......

just making sure.

[kimbottles]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

Actually you said it four times.......

just making sure.

Good job.....

But Hey! ND we need pictures and an update!!!

[austin1972]

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

Actually you said it four times.......

Accountant ciphering....
220, 221. Whatever it takes.

[Nessun Dorma]

Ha, and Ok. Unfortunateoly while Bob, PSC and I have been VERY busy on boat design and builder matters, there are no knew photos. A lot of detail work, weight stuff and machinery and equpment schedules. I was in Seattle with Bob and Steve Brodie of PSC, and WHL the week before last. Those revisions take time. Plus I was travelling som -- hence my absence from posts.

We hope to start actual construction next month.

Bob, perhaps we might post the revised lines or deck plan -- or better yet the revised layout?

Very soon we should have some new renderings of the aft cockpit and pilot house area we can share -- maybe with some juicy surprises ... but I defer to Bob as to when he is reaady for that.

Paging Nessun Dorma, paging Nessun Dorma.

Nessun Dorma has kindly started this thread about the build of his boat. Could we please respect that and keep the thread just to that.

Note: I said Nessun Dorma three times in this post, there is a reason for that.

[Jose Carumba]

Mmmm... Juicy Surprises. The best kind.

[Ishmael]

Mmmm... Juicy Surprises. The best kind.

Not if we're talking about flatulence.

[austin1972]

Mmmm... Juicy Surprises. The best kind.

Not if we're talking about flatulence.

This made me laugh. Then I sharted.

[Bob Perry]

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear. We also reshaped the stern of the boat slightly to give a little more shape and side deck width adjacent to the cockpit. When we added the 12" of new LOA I thought the stern in plan view was a little "blocky" looking. So I changed it. If you study the plan view yoi will see we have modofied the aft head/shower arrangement so now we have a shower/tub and access to the engine space from the shower area. We also enlarged the port quarter berth to make it more of a comfortable double.

I had ND, WHL and Steve Brodie at the house last week. We ate very well and drank very well and had a good old productive time talking boats. The highlight of the week was of course my singing on Thursday night although ND, Steve and WHL claim it was ND's roast beef. I agree, but my singing was pretty darn good as I recall. But I don't recall much.

We will post some of the new 3D images soon. Sons got too busy with his family and his real job to work with us anymore and that's a shame because he was fun and rewarding to work with. He produced somne beauiful work which he had compiled in a wonderful book for the boat. But we recruited another CA'er Rasputin and he has been hard at it for a week now turning my deck drawings into a working 3D document that we can use for CNC pattern making. He is also a lot of fun to watch work. The surprise ND hinted at is a mermaid that will adorn the back end of the pilot house side. We are not exactly how it will adorn the PH yet. Rasp and I have both submitted multiple ideas on the mermaid's pose and anatomical features and the last word I got on my mermaid from an architect friend of mine was "She looks like a stripper on a pole", exactly what ND's secretary said, so I have tucked my tail between my legs for now and I' m letting Rasps work on mermaids.

I'll post the latest revision of the deck plan next. Other than the added LOA the sail plan itself has not changes at all. So I don't need to post that. You can find the previous revision on this tread if you dig.

I'm a bit stressed. My dog is at the groomers again and I feel quite incomplete without her. Maybe if I catch a fish I will cheer up.

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[Innocent Bystander]

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear. We also reshaped the stern of the boat slightly to give a little more shape and side deck width adjacent to the cockpit. When we added the 12" of new LOA I thought the stern in plan view was a little "blocky" looking. So I changed it. If you study the plan view yoi will see we have modofied the aft head/shower arrangement so now we have a shower/tub and access to the engine space from the shower area. We also enlarged the port quarter berth to make it more of a comfortable double.

I had ND, WHL and Steve Brodie at the house last week. We ate very well and drank very well and had a good old productive time talking boats. The highlight of the week was of course my singing on Thursday night although ND, Steve and WHL claim it was ND's roast beef. I agree, but my singing was pretty darn good as I recall. But I don't recall much.

We will post some of the new 3D images soon. Sons got too busy with his family and his real job to work with us anymore and that's a shame because he was fun and rewarding to work with. He produced somne beauiful work which he had compiled in a wonderful book for the boat. But we recruited another CA'er Rasputin and he has been hard at it for a week now turning my deck drawings into a working 3D document that we can use for CNC pattern making. He is also a lot of fun to watch work. The surprise ND hinted at is a mermaid that will adorn the back end of the pilot house side. We are not exactly how it will adorn the PH yet. Rasp and I have both submitted multiple ideas on the mermaid's pose and anatomical features and the last word I got on my mermaid from an architect friend of mine was "She looks like a stripper on a pole", exactly what ND's secretary said, so I have tucked my tail between my legs for now and I' m letting Rasps work on mermaids.

I'll post the latest revision of the deck plan next. Other than the added LOA the sail plan itself has not changes at all. So I don't need to post that. You can find the previous revision on this tread if you dig.

I'm a bit stressed. My dog is at the groomers again and I feel quite incomplete without her. Maybe if I catch a fish I will cheer up.

So even at 60', one footitis can still strike.

Looking forward to seeing the new renderings.

[blackjenner]

I had ND, WHL and Steve Brodie at the house last week. We ate very well and drank very well and had a good old productive time talking boats. The highlight of the week was of course my singing on Thursday night although ND, Steve and WHL claim it was ND's roast beef. I agree, but my singing was pretty darn good as I recall. But I don't recall much.

I can independently verify that your singing is indeed, pretty darn good.

[Bob Perry]

IB:
The additional 12" was a product of the amazing mock up work that PSC has done. It's the best mock up work I have ever seen.
So there they were, ND, Mrs. ND, Steve Brodie and his foreman Thumper (no I did not make that up), lounging in the cockpit and looking aft it became apparent that the gear we needed aft of the cockpit was going to be a press fit. So Steve Brodie suggested another 12". I was happy to comply. I always try to be in full compliance.

BJ:
Gee, Thanks. I'll sing a lot more next time you come up. You'll have to ask WHL, Booms and Valis about the night we stayed up singing and drinking till 4am. I forgot the words to WATZING MATILDA! Maybe my lips just quit working. I know for sure everything else did.

[kimbottles]

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear. We also reshaped the stern of the boat slightly to give a little more shape and side deck width adjacent to the cockpit. When we added the 12" of new LOA I thought the stern in plan view was a little "blocky" looking. So I changed it. If you study the plan view yoi will see we have modofied the aft head/shower arrangement so now we have a shower/tub and access to the engine space from the shower area. We also enlarged the port quarter berth to make it more of a comfortable double.

I had ND, WHL and Steve Brodie at the house last week. We ate very well and drank very well and had a good old productive time talking boats. The highlight of the week was of course my singing on Thursday night although ND, Steve and WHL claim it was ND's roast beef. I agree, but my singing was pretty darn good as I recall. But I don't recall much.

We will post some of the new 3D images soon. Sons got too busy with his family and his real job to work with us anymore and that's a shame because he was fun and rewarding to work with. He produced somne beauiful work which he had compiled in a wonderful book for the boat. But we recruited another CA'er Rasputin and he has been hard at it for a week now turning my deck drawings into a working 3D document that we can use for CNC pattern making. He is also a lot of fun to watch work. The surprise ND hinted at is a mermaid that will adorn the back end of the pilot house side. We are not exactly how it will adorn the PH yet. Rasp and I have both submitted multiple ideas on the mermaid's pose and anatomical features and the last word I got on my mermaid from an architect friend of mine was "She looks like a stripper on a pole", exactly what ND's secretary said, so I have tucked my tail between my legs for now and I' m letting Rasps work on mermaids.

I'll post the latest revision of the deck plan next. Other than the added LOA the sail plan itself has not changes at all. So I don't need to post that. You can find the previous revision on this tread if you dig.

I'm a bit stressed. My dog is at the groomers again and I feel quite incomplete without her. Maybe if I catch a fish I will cheer up.

Hell of a nice boat Bob, you did not turn out like Uncle Mick....you are much better....

[Bob Perry]

Kim:
Uncle Mick was very creative. I know he could have drawn a Mermaid.
So could have Spike. And Spike could have carved it and cast it.
Oh well.
I'll go se Ultra Violet tomorrow.

[kdh]

So even at 60', one footitis can still strike.

Yes, I think she is now definitely a big ass boat, err, yacht. The mermaid should start with that pose of Susan's on the beach.

I guess a mermaid would have a hard time doing that.

Bob, I'm sorry for your loss. I will always be and ready to tell you so.

[Paps]

That is now a very comfortable aft cabin, well done team.

[Boomberries]

That is now a very comfortable aft cabin, well done team.

+1

Looks fantastic! The forward head looks spacious, useable and practical. The galley looks roomy and well laid out. I love the aft and forward cabins, and the cockpit. Beautiful.

Bob, you have about 6 weeks to work on remembering the words to -> Waltzing Matilda. I watched an educutional video guide to figure out what a billy, a jumbuck and a tucker bag were (btw - I hear that you and WHL are learning to play one of my fave Dire Straits songs)

Great work Bob, ND, WHL and all.

[rattus32]

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear...

Bob (and ND) -

Didn't you really mean "so we would have more room to mount CotB"? ;-)

Loving the lines.

Mike

[Nessun Dorma]

Very funny Rattus, but no SotB. We simply needed room aft for a decent stern anchor bracket and roller, davit mounts and deck hardware. Plus the 12" of overhang suits her well and makes her better proportioned.

By the way, we are now (thanks mostly of MRS ND) back to the original black hull and neither of the house sides in wood. I guess things looks so good in black that we're willing to accept the consequences:

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear...

Bob (and ND) -

Didn't you really mean "so we would have more room to mount CotB"? ;-)

Loving the lines.

Mike

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[Tom Ray]

Is there a COTB boat picture that does not feature davits?

Not that I'd object a bit. It's all about the dink and the other C you keep OTB for me.

[Nessun Dorma]

True, true, yet davits look bad on most boats because the boats are too small to support them aesthetically, and the davits are almost always an afetrmarket second thought the design of which has little to do with the design of the boat or its lines.

Is there a COTB boat picture that does not feature davits?

Not that I'd object a bit. It's all about the dink and the other C you keep OTB for me.

[kdh]

By the way, we are now (thanks mostly of MRS ND) back to the original black hull and neither of the house sides in wood. I guess things looks so good in black that we're willing to accept the consequences:

Nothing wrong with varnish either.

[The Advocate]

Very funny Rattus, but no SotB. We simply needed room aft for a decent stern anchor bracket and roller, davit mounts and deck hardware. Plus the 12" of overhang suits her well and makes her better proportioned.

By the way, we are now (thanks mostly of MRS ND) back to the original black hull and neither of the house sides in wood. I guess things looks so good in black that we're willing to accept the consequences:

We have made a lot of progress on ND's boat. The latest major change was adding another foot of LOA aft of the cockpit coaming so we would have more room to mount gear...

Bob (and ND) -

Didn't you really mean "so we would have more room to mount CotB"? ;-)

Loving the lines.

Mike

[Gatekeeper]

Mermaids!!

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[Tom Ray]

True, true, yet davits look bad on most boats because the boats are too small to support them aesthetically, and the davits are almost always an afetrmarket second thought the design of which has little to do with the design of the boat or its lines.

Is there a COTB boat picture that does not feature davits?

Not that I'd object a bit. It's all about the dink and the other C you keep OTB for me.

I think you may have invented CCOTB! (Classy COTB, Custom COTB, lots of possibilities)

These will have integrated, discreet, non-tacky rodholders, right?

[Hike, Bitches!]

That is now a very comfortable aft cabin, well done team.

+1

Looks fantastic! The forward head looks spacious, useable and practical. The galley looks roomy and well laid out. I love the aft and forward cabins, and the cockpit. Beautiful.

Bob, you have about 6 weeks to work on remembering the words to -> Waltzing Matilda. I watched an educutional video guide to figure out what a billy, a jumbuck and a tucker bag were (btw - I hear that you and WHL are learning to play one of my fave Dire Straits songs)

Great work Bob, ND, WHL and all.

Hi Boom Boom..if you ever make it to the other coast and the other country, we can jam on some Dire Straits. They are one of my favorite bands.


Mmmmm...Nicole Kidman.

[VALIS]

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