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[Waterpilot]

Not sure if community already knows of this new launch Just sharing. no affiliation with X-yachts





X-Yachts always produce a winning 10m formula



X-Yachts first 33 footer, the X-102, was launched in 1981. She won the official World Championship for ORC Offshore racing yachts (The Three Quarter Ton Cup) a total of 7 times in the eighties! A total of 250 X-102s and X-3/4 Tons were built.



The next 33 was the X-99 which formed a 'one design' Class and achieved official ISAF Recognized Class status. More than 550 were delivered and the class is still active in Northern European countries.



Later the X-332 and X-342 also became very popular with close to 530 of these two models sold.



More recently in 2007 the X-34 was launched. She is an attractive and very comfortable cruiser/racer and enjoys great winning qualities. She performs very well under most handicap rules, especially under IRC whilst maintaining impeccable sea keeping for the dedicated cruiser. The X-34 is set to remain in the production portfolio alongside her new younger sister.



The new Xp 33 will become a new trendsetter



The new 33 ft X-Yacht benefits from the X-Yachts latest composite technology. The hulls are laminated in a full sandwich construction using vacuum infusion to establish the best ratio between the vinylester matrix and the structural fibres.



This lamination technology was introduced back in 2008, when the X-65 was developed and is now utilized in all the new Xp models. These include the Xp 44 (launched April 2011), the Xp 38 (launched August 2011), and the all new Xp 50, which is due for launch in April 2012.



A fast yacht depends on a good level of stability to carry enough sail. This stability can come from a number of sources, mainly hull beam and a low centre of gravity.

Increasing hull beam at the waterline increases the stability by generating more buoyancy on the leeward side. Increasing hull beam above waterline allows the crew weight to move further to windward.



This route to stability is not without cost though. It also increases the wetted area of the hull making it slower in light airs and the increased beam above water only helps when the crew are hiking, not when you are sailing short-handed or when things go wrong. For this reason X-Yachts have always been focussed on keeping the yachts' centre of gravity as low as possible. Using advanced lamination techniques and efficient structural solutions, they can keep more weight in the keel where it belongs.



The Xp 33 is lighter than many production competitors. In addition to the lamination technology described, every detail has been investigated and analysed in the pursuit of the right weight-practicality balance. Above deck the halyards and trim lines are exposed to keep the structure simple and light. There are no hull windows and limited deck hatches to simplify the deck whilst maintaining enough light and access.



Below deck you will find a very functional and lightweight interior. The structural bulkheads are made from plywood securely bonded to hull and deck but the furniture is partially crafted in composite materials. This "simple but effective" approach to the Xp 33 will be the key driver to her performance.



The X-99 offered superb sailing performance back in 1985 when it broke the "norm" for modern yachts' sailing performance. Compared to her, the new Xp 33 is expected to sail almost 10% faster VMG (velocity made good) against the wind in medium wind speeds and between 10 and 15% faster on a broad reach in medium to fresh wind speeds, according to X-Yachts' VPP tests.



Xp 33 will have almost 70% higher stability enabling her to carry her 15% larger sail plan much more effectively (full racing main and asymmetric spinnaker). That, blended with an increase in waterline length of almost one meter, gives the Xp 33 that extra boat speed potential, which once again, will set the standard in the 10 meter performance yacht market.



Carbon fibre retractable bow sprit is standard as is the composite tiller. The yacht comes with aluminium mast and boom with discontinuous rod rigging as standard. A slightly taller carbon mast is available as an option for increased stability and sail area.



As standard, the keel is a cast iron 'T-keel' configuration with a draft of 1.90 m, with an option to upgrade to a 2.10 m deep composite keel with a lead 'T' bulb.



The deck lay out facilitates an under deck furling head stay drum (optional) and the standard anchor compartment can accommodate an optional anchor winch.





The all new Xp 33, expected to launch by the end of 2012, springs from the original X-Yachts DNA delivering thrillingly sailing performance!



The introduction price of the first 30 Xp 33's is Euro 101,900 excl VAT. They are all expected to be delivered before summer 2013.

[williwaw]

Having no affiliation with X yachts you know a lot.

[williwaw]

That is a hell of a heavy sucker at more then 4 tons.
Wonder if they sell, probably it will as X has lot of followers.
But as with the X35 most people bail out now as the boat is no racer and no cruiser, in fact it is a bit nothing.
Almost as heavy as a J111 but 1 mtr. shorter


Preliminary Dimensions of the Xp 33



PRELIMINARY DIMENSIONS
Hull length 9.99 m 32.78 ft
LWL 8.86 m 29.07 ft
Beam 3.21 m 10.53 ft
Standard draft 1.90 m 6.23 ft
Aternative draft 1 2.10 m 6.89 ft
Ballast standard keel 1700 kg 3748 lbs
Displacement light 4300 kg 9480 lbs
(Carbon mast, deep keel) 4050 kg 8929 lbs

ENGINE / TANKS
Engine diesel 14.5 kW 20 HP
Water tank standard 110 Ltr 29.1 Gal (US)
Fuel tank standard 50 Ltr 13.2 Gal (US)

SAIL AREAS (Standard)
Mainsail 34.4 m2 370 ft2
Mainsail (Carbon Rig) 37.0 m3 398 ft2
Genoa 106% 28.2 m2 304 ft2
Asymmetric spinnaker 86.5 m2 931 ft2

[Waterpilot]

I got an email from X-YACHTS

Having no affiliation with X yachts you know a lot.

[Bow Monkey]

So they're making a Benetaeu 10R?

[Waterpilot]

That is a hell of a heavy sucker at more then 4 tons.
Wonder if they sell, probably it will as X has lot of followers.
But as with the X35 most people bail out now as the boat is no racer and no cruiser, in fact it is a bit nothing.
Almost as heavy as a J111 but 1 mtr. shorter


Preliminary Dimensions of the Xp 33



PRELIMINARY DIMENSIONS
Hull length 9.99 m 32.78 ft
LWL 8.86 m 29.07 ft
Beam 3.21 m 10.53 ft
Standard draft 1.90 m 6.23 ft
Aternative draft 1 2.10 m 6.89 ft
Ballast standard keel 1700 kg 3748 lbs
Displacement light 4300 kg 9480 lbs
(Carbon mast, deep keel) 4050 kg 8929 lbs

ENGINE / TANKS
Engine diesel 14.5 kW 20 HP
Water tank standard 110 Ltr 29.1 Gal (US)
Fuel tank standard 50 Ltr 13.2 Gal (US)

SAIL AREAS (Standard)
Mainsail 34.4 m2 370 ft2
Mainsail (Carbon Rig) 37.0 m3 398 ft2
Genoa 106% 28.2 m2 304 ft2
Asymmetric spinnaker 86.5 m2 931 ft2

I was wondering if the sprit will make the difference. Still conventional roach for main so not as sporty as what is currently among its competitors.

Seems someone at X-yachts is looking to get back into the racing scene. Not much since IMX 40 and IMX 45 and X-41
They were born out of success of X-99 in late 70s

[NYBOZO1]

anybody want to take a stab at probable cost?

[Waterpilot]

North of $133K usd

anybody want to take a stab at probable cost?

[Waterpilot]

From the e-mail


The introduction price of the first 30 Xp 33’s is Euro 101,900 excl VAT. They are all expected to be delivered before summer 2013

North of $133K usd

anybody want to take a stab at probable cost?

[us7070]

The Xp line are cruiser racers, not really sport boats.

From the pictures, they have pretty comfortable interiors.

The Xp44, in the racing version - with a taller carbon mast, and deeper keel - has supposedly done pretty well under IRC in Europe.

Anyone here raced on the XP44?

[Waterpilot]

[Waterpilot]

[Waterpilot]

Polars link

http://www.x-yachts...._Polar_Data.pdf

[Waterpilot]

The Xp line are cruiser racers, not really sport boats.

From the pictures, they have pretty comfortable interiors.

The Xp44, in the racing version - with a taller carbon mast, and deeper keel - has supposedly done pretty well under IRC in Europe.

Anyone here raced on the XP44?

That's correct the Xr's are the racers. XP are performance designs.

[walterbshaffer]

So they're making a Benetaeu 10R?

Hahaha!

Exactamundo.

But the 10R looks waaaaay better.

[Ryley]

it's 1000 lbs lighter than a J/109.

[us7070]

here is link to a video of the Xp44 - quite a powerful looking boat, for a racer/cruiser

[williwaw]

Thats a heavy sucker too but from 10 years ago. If this is what you can come up with nowadays, maybe Jeppesen is getting old.

it's 1000 lbs lighter than a J/109.

[crash]

it's 1000 lbs lighter than a J/109.

And three feet shorter, so that's right in the ballpark for where a mid 30 foot IRC boat should be...

Edit:

Looks like a direct competitor for the new C&C 101

http://www.c-cyachts...dimensions.html

[us7070]

Thats a heavy sucker too but from 10 years ago. If this is what you can come up with nowadays, maybe Jeppesen is getting old.

it's 1000 lbs lighter than a J/109.

as far as i can tell, X-yachts isn't calling it a "sportboat"...

that was the OP's idea...

it's a performance cruising boat - i think it will have a full cruising interior, like the other boats in the Xp line.

[micha571]

10% faster than the X-99? With a weight of 4,4 tons, which is 1,4 tons more than the X-99?
Seriously doubt that.

[port tack]

This is not an appropriate title for this thread: X-Yachts to launch 33' sportboat in late 2012 . Fixed it. Almost 10k pounds! and calling it a sportboat. This boat makes a J105 look like the cone of silence.

[LakeBoy]

Agreed not a sportboat, I was beginning to think I'd have to start referring to my Hobie 33 a skiff

[SPORTSCAR]

So they're making a Benetaeu 10R?

Hahaha!

Exactamundo.

But the 10R looks waaaaay better.

Oh yeah?
 Ben First 34.7 stability.jpg   80.71K   135 downloads

[X X-Yachter]

Wow. A sprit on an X-Yacht. Last trip to Denmark in 2005 I respectfully submitted that might be a good idea.

So when the Xp39 with sprit emerges, I get to be X-X-X Yachter.

[williwaw]

I know it is personal but I can't say that the looks of X yachts improve over the years.

[Jammen]

Ironbulb on a performance yacht????

It will be interesting to see when will be the first time I get passed by the Xp33...

[micha571]

Ironbulb on a performance yacht????

It will be interesting to see when will be the first time I get passed by the Xp33...

I'm looking forward to that, too )
Are you sailing VM i Marstrand in July?

[Marko]

That is a hell of a heavy sucker at more then 4 tons.
Wonder if they sell, probably it will as X has lot of followers.
But as with the X35 most people bail out now as the boat is no racer and no cruiser, in fact it is a bit nothing.
Almost as heavy as a J111 but 1 mtr. shorter

Our X-35 gets 1-design raced and short-handed cruised quite a lot in the med.

Not everyone can afford to/is good enough to race a Soto or a Melges 32.

I'd say the X35 is the best alternative offering 1-design racing in the med to keen amateur crews.

[Damp Freddie]

This boat makes a J105 look like the cone of silence.

Haa haa RAFPLPMHO

Finally putting a prodder on a range of displacement boats. Hardly innovation is it?

They probably have a lot of customers looking to downsize as the "credit crunch" (sounds acute when it is in fact chronic? PR guys got that one under control) bites harder in the EU, and they look to compete with J over the ponda del septico.

[walterbshaffer]

So they're making a Benetaeu 10R?

Hahaha!

Exactamundo.

But the 10R looks waaaaay better.

Oh yeah?
 Ben First 34.7 stability.jpg   80.71K   135 downloads

Supposed to look more like this:
 56792.05.jpg   190.66K   169 downloads

But even wiping out it looks better than the "blister" styled coach roof on the X boat.

Disclaimer: I really like X yachts otherwise!

[in_TO]

Apparently, the boat does not have stanchions

[mustang__1]

Wow. A sprit on an X-Yacht. Last trip to Denmark in 2005 I respectfully submitted that might be a good idea.

So when the Xp39 with sprit emerges, I get to be X-X-X Yachter.

vetoed.

[eerie sailor]

In my opinion, for a production boat, X yachts are pretty well built boats. Whether this particular model floats your boat or not is your opinion. GO WINGS! & Beer

[SPORTSCAR]

That is a hell of a heavy sucker at more then 4 tons.
Wonder if they sell, probably it will as X has lot of followers.
But as with the X35 most people bail out now as the boat is no racer and no cruiser, in fact it is a bit nothing.
Almost as heavy as a J111 but 1 mtr. shorter

Our X-35 gets 1-design raced and short-handed cruised quite a lot in the med.

Not everyone can afford to/is good enough to race a Soto or a Melges 32.

I'd say the X35 is the best alternative offering 1-design racing in the med to keen amateur crews.

Sailing on a X-35 here in Australia and happy to compare our results with anyone, IRC or scratch in the fleets we have raced. Good enough to serve it up to the mighty Sorro's all conquering Syd 36CR on line and IRC H'cap on w/l courses. Has even beaten the hot A-10 Executive Decision on IRC at times. Cruised it up to Queensland last year and it worked very well for that too. No other X-35s to race against on our pond but the boat has proved all round competitive and is a delight to sail. Just ask anyone we race against down here. And it offers superior build/finish quality to the average Euro imports... by heaps!

[bruno]

Agree, rounding the aft edge of coachroof is dumb, allows water aft, moves winches fwd., reduces headroom, and looks stupid. Probabaly adds a bit of strength so maybe a weight saver but it can't save enough to matter.

[BadgerB]

Wow. A sprit on an X-Yacht. Last trip to Denmark in 2005 I respectfully submitted that might be a good idea.

So when the Xp39 with sprit emerges, I get to be X-X-X Yachter.

This is definitely a cruiser racer and not a sport boat.

Would be interesting to know if this is targeted at IRC racing.

If so it could be the first viable replacement for the X-332 they stopped making around 2004.

Up to now the X332 has been the last really successful racing X yacht in this size range for IRC. X-Yachts sold a lot, specially in the UK.
The X-35 was targeted at OD racing, a lot of X332 owners in the UK swooped to these but found they were not competitive in IRC, specially in winds over about 12 knots.
The X34 was expensive and didn't seems to sell well, thought the works team got some good results

Comparing the prelim dimensions of the new Xp33 with the typical
IRC X332

PRELIMINARY DIMENSIONS <vs X332>
Hull length 9.99 m <10.06m>
LWL 8.86 m <8.8m)
Beam 3.21 m <3.3>t
Standard draft 1.90 m <1.81>
Aternative draft 1 2.10 m 6.89 ft
Ballast standard keel 1700 kg 3748 lbs
Displacement light 4300 kg <4.35t>
(Carbon mast, deep keel) 4050 kg 8929 lbs


SAIL AREAS (Standard)
Mainsail 34.4 m2 <~35m2>
Mainsail (Carbon Rig) 37.0 m3 398 ft2
Genoa 106% 28.2 m2 <32m2>
Asymmetric spinnaker 86.5 m2 <s2=70m2>

So similar dimensions and weight, with a smaller genoa and a bigger spinny. And seemingly
relatively cheap provided they manage to keep the on-the-water price with a basic set of sails and race instruments competitive.
Could do well under IRC. And the version with the carbon mast looks even better.

BB

[Joakim]

Displacement light 4300 kg <4.35t>
(Carbon mast, deep keel) 4050 kg 8929 lbs

And seemingly
relatively cheap provided they manage to keep the on-the-water price with a basic set of sails and race instruments competitive.
Could do well under IRC. And the version with the carbon mast looks even better.

X-332 has are typically way more than 4.35t, quite often close to 5t. Also XP38 and XP44 have been clearly (500-1000 kg) heavier than the dimensions say. Now the X-Yachts web page says 4100 kg for deep keel + carbon mast. Will it be any lighter than X-332?

How can you call relative cheap a 33 feet boat that costs about 150 000 € without sails and electronics? And that is a special price for the first orders.

[BadgerB]

Dear Joakim

My (endorsed) IRC X332 boat weight was 4336 as measured by RORC.

The price in the UK as quoted is £99K including vat. Admittedly without sails and electronics. But (from memory) that is less than the 2003 price for an x332.
An X34 is/was much more expensive - again from memory an new one would have been > £150K.

Bob

[Joakim]

Dear Joakim

My (endorsed) IRC X332 boat weight was 4336 as measured by RORC.

The price in the UK as quoted is £99K including vat. Admittedly without sails and electronics. But (from memory) that is less than the 2003 price for an x332.
An X34 is/was much more expensive - again from memory an new one would have been > £150K.

Bob

Yes, some (the early ones?) X-332 are that light. I just looked at data from 9 different X-332. One was about the same as yours, but the next one was 130 kg more, the average about 300 kg more and the heaviest was 500 kg more.

The base introduction price is a bit over 120 k€ depending on the country (VAT), but you need to add quite much to that to get it floating with decent equipment excluding sails. The 150 k€ was all what I have in my current boat excluding electronics and sails. These include e.g. holding tank (at least around here it's illegal to sell a new boat without it), antifouling, spinnaker gear, furler for jib, fridge, warm water, shorepower + charger, heater, handles outside and freight.

Yes X-34 is even more expensive (160+ k€ base price), but it is also a much bigger boat with more interior detail.

E.g. Dehler 32, wich is not that far from XP-33 is almost 50 k€ cheaper with the same equipment.

[BadgerB]

Talked to x-yachts UK agents in Hamble yesterday and got copy of latest spec and price lists for xp33.
A few changes just announced:
The iron-only keel has been dropped. Standard T keel now has antimony hardened lead bulb. Std draft is 1.9 m, displacement light is 4300 kg.
Min price is now 105k euro plus vat. So much for the promised 99k special offer.
Symmetric spin option now available . Sail pack 2 inc both assy and sym pole etc 5.5 k euro.
http://www.x-yachts....eems/137557.asp

[One eye Jack]

This boat is almost like an IOR boat of the past. Lot of sail area, heavy weight, balast is about 33% Do you want a cruise boat or a race boat..even the FT10 is lighter..a lot of money for the boat, and a fortune for sails. Even a Columbia is less weight and money...

[crash]

And the Columbia and FC-10 will have less than favorable IRC ratings...which is where this design appears to be targeted. Also can't directly compare IOR ballast ratios with a Peterson style keel to an IRC style boat with a bulb's ballast ratio. Given the same ballast ratio, the IRC boat will carry more weight lower, and have a much better RM than an IOR boat would have...

[8:07 to New Haven]

snippet of the boat rolling downhill in some breeze

[micha571]

http://forums.sailin...howtopic=142236

[Icedtea]

That's a pretty blatant rip off of a 347/10r, hopefully they've got a proper sized rudder as standard though!

[Great_lakes_racer]

That's a pretty blatant rip off of a 347/10r, hopefully they've got a proper sized rudder as standard though!

+1

[By the lee]

Is that boat planing?

[GybeSet®]

another sports.. um KEELboat 4 tons 5 knts

[facthunt]

Is that boat planing?

no theyre just actors on a set.

[postpast]

"snippet of the boat rolling downhill in some breeze"

I have to say, that does look rather sportin.

[Mambo Kings]

"snippet of the boat rolling downhill in some breeze"

I have to say, that does look rather sportin.

Not from the way that guy is trimming the main. Looks like a medium displacement yacht to me.
I doubt Melges loses much sleep over this one.

[us7070]

it's a cruising boat - they are not trying to compete with melges.

if i was going to cruise the baltic and the north sea in a 33ft boat for a few weeks, this would be pretty high on my list.

nothing from melges would be any where near my list.

[facthunt]

it's a cruising boat - they are not trying to compete with melges.

if i was going to cruise the baltic and the north sea in a 33ft boat for a few weeks, this would be pretty high on my list.

nothing from melges would be any where near my list.

how about a j70 near your list

[Sebyseb]

Saw the boat in the flesh at the Paris boat show. Beautifully made and finished, with a sport boat lookalike cockpit.
It's no cruising boat with a racy (read empty) interior, reminds me of a modern X99. Alas, at 4.4 tons for a 33 footer, it doesn't seem exciting to sail.
It's 1 ton more than the X99 and similar to the A35 wihich offers a lot more boat for the same weight.
IRC rating around 1.30 in asy and 1.15 sym, let us see what Spi Ouest hold in stock for them.

[dogwatch]

IRC rating around 1.30 in asy and 1.15 sym, let us see what Spi Ouest hold in stock for them.

1.030 and 1.015 ?

[Sebyseb]

What they said, although it was more like 1.025 and 1.015.
I remember that because it seems higher than a J/97 or JPK1010 and they wil have a hard time there...

[USA 5184]

I don't think there's huge market for these boats. This size range was very popular 25 years ago but it has since become a victim of It's own success. There is so many good used boats out there in this size range. If I were in the market for a cruiser/racer this size I'd take a look at the new C&C 101.

[Speng]

If they were looking to keep it light they'd do the structural bulkheads in something other than ply. I have a mate of mine who draws for them I need to call him and ask WTF were they thinking

10knots vmg in 25 true at 150ish TWA makes me think you'd be better off putting a sym kite on it and prolly getting a better IRC rating.

Vid shows the joys of sailing a short heavy boat d/w in breeze with the collective sphincters clenched for the inevitable broach

[Kenetic]

Anyone seen any results for Xp33 under IRC yet?

[Kenetic]

Sorry did a bit of searching myself and saw one did Spi Quest in France 2 weeks ago.

 

Finished 14th overall out of 30

 

Rated 1.024

 

Beaten by (in order):

M34

JPK110

JND 36 (same designer as A35 and M34)

A35

40.7

A35

A35

J120

A35

A35

Elan350

A35

A35

XP33

[Pads]

Was it the lowest rated boat in the fleet? Was it an X-yachts works team on board?

[volfan615]

There is one coming into Newport the first week of May and will be in Noank CT for about a week per an email from the dealer.

[Savage 17]

There is one registered for block island race week....

http://www.yachtscor....cfm?order=make

[By the lee]

 

Is that boat planing?

 

no theyre just actors on a set.

That's pretty good boat speed for only 15kts of wind!

[micha571]

An XP-33 (rated 1.019) won the Warsash Spring Series in IRC 2, against First 40.7, Corby 33, J122 etc:

http://www.warsashsp...ship2series.htm

 

Race times:

http://www.warsashsp...sults/index.htm

 

Ratings:

http://www.warsashspringseries.org.uk/

(go to "Entry List")

[Kenetic]

Good old Jochem and the X yachts works team