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['moondance44]

I thouht the Ed;u was a oveenite raice.....

At the current pace, it just might be.

Nahh.. Beautiful day on the water, even if it cost $3/mile. Started a bit slow but
a sweet day.


http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_results_detail.cfm?Race_Number=1&eID=584

Look how Moulie crushed the fleet in his Custom Schumacher 37! Ker - schmer!

Nice job shooting star (bthotha) and ThinMan

And congrats to maudelayne who was loaded up with Rock Stars.

i thought this was odd.

One NonSpin competitor (sloop) telling another (Yawl) on the vhf after the start that if he flew a staysil downwind to the mark YRALIS non spin rules stated he HAD to sail in the same configuratiion and fly it upwind on the way home as well. I guess even if it was blowin 40 knots on the nose.


Snags....Itz Twoo Itz Twoo!

YRALIS REGSs
2. The intent of Non-Spinnaker racing is that boats sail off the wind with the same sails they use to sail on the wind. Therefore, ketches and yawls may not fly staysails off the wind unless such sails are used when sailing upwind.

['No.6]

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

[Snaggletooth]

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

flitelesse birde?

['No.6]

Seems she was a yacht of some fame Mr. Tooth.

[Snaggletooth]

wowe, a southene boat, nise!

[jesposito]

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

Edlu was the name of some wasp's boat way back when

['No.6]

Are you a person of colour jesposito? I find it odd you have to inject creed into the discussion.

[dacapo]

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

simple.............Hammer down.

ps....there are 3U's......

['No.6]

Three U's? Kindly explain, I always look to expand my sailing knowledge. Are the three U's like The Three Wise Men or something similar?

Also Mr. Dacapo, forgive me, but isn't Dacapo some type of Italian sandwich meat similar to olive loaf?

[jesposito]

Are you a person of colour jesposito? I find it odd you have to inject creed into the discussion.

If you don't like, don't read it!

Or



Go fuck yourself!

[pissandvinegar]

Three U's? Kindly explain, I always look to expand my sailing knowledge. Are the three U's like The Three Wise Men or something similar?

Also Mr. Dacapo, forgive me, but isn't Dacapo some type of Italian sandwich meat similar to olive loaf?

actually, that would be capicola....guess you aren't a guinea.

['No.6]

Oh heavens no. Even if I were, well why would anyone admit to such a thing?

['No.6]

Are you a person of colour jesposito? I find it odd you have to inject creed into the discussion.

If you don't like, don't read it!

Or



Go fuck yourself!

Why would anyone want to fuck their selves? You are a very disturbed person, are you not?

[dacapo]

Oh heavens no. Even if I were, well why would anyone admit to such a thing?

and the UUU thing...that's because there are 3 U's in SHUT THE FUCK UP.........

['No.6]

You seem the temperamental sort. Is that from inbreeding or does it just come naturally?

[robalex117]

What were the conditions for those of us that were not there.

1336915861[/url]' post='3711426']
Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

['moondance44]

You seem the temperamental sort. Is that from inbreeding or does it just come naturally?

Are they not one in the same Mr. Drake?

Is breeding, regardless if it is 'in' or 'out', an unnatural phenomenon?

['No.6]

Not sure what you are getting at Mr. Dance. Perhaps you could elaborate?

[dacapo]

['No.6]

I am flattered to share such a name. I think the Go-Go Girls in that video are smokin' hot.
Now back to the inbreeding and "guineas" as Mr. Vinegar put it. Do they not go hand in hand? Seems we had a neighbor years ago when I was a wee lad. They turned out to be cousins and their offspring had some very serious mental health issues. Some here remined me of those poor sods.

[Anonymous Guest 2]

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

The Farr 400 (which was over early at the start) finished almost one hour before the Beneteau 36.7, and received the shortest elapsed time award. The Beneteau corrected over the Farr by less than one minute. Pretty simple math.

['No.6]

It isn't the math that has me perplexed. It is the fact that a Beneteau 36.7 could be competitive with a Farr 400 regardless of rating. As I understand it, the majority of the first leg was light air and down wind. So how does a boat known for it's deficits in those conditions fare so well?

Anonymous Guest 2? Was there an Anonymous Guest 1 or are you saying you are an L7?

['No.6]

I enjoy your posts too Mr. Tooth.

[Anonymous Guest 2]

It isn't the math that has me perplexed. It is the fact that a Beneteau 36.7 could be competitive with a Farr 400 regardless of rating. As I understand it, the majority of the first leg was light air and down wind. So how does a boat known for it's deficits in those conditions fare so well?

Anonymous Guest 2? Was there an Anonymous Guest 1 or are you saying you are an L7?

Any boat could be competitive with another with a handicap. The Farr 400 excels downwind and particularly in heavier air. I would suspect that the 58 seconds by which the Beneteau corrected over the Farr came from the upwind second leg.

['No.6]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

[Anonymous Guest 2]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

Yes, if the Beneteau is given a favorable enough rating; the Farr owed the Beneteau almost one hour, which is a lot in a 4.5 hour race. Are you suggested that PHRF, IRC or other rating systems actually capture the traits of each boat, translate them into ratings and those ratings allow different boats to race on a competitive basis that takes the boat design out of the picture, and lets driving, tactics and maneuvers to determine the winner? We all know that the rating system, particularly PHRF ratings are debated and "negotiated." Do you even sail?

[dacapo]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

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it did in 25-30 kts. of wind

['No.6]

Oh I do have a basic understanding how ratings work. Since there was little in the way of tactics and maneuvers, as I understand how this race played out, you are thus suggesting that either a Beneteau 36.7 or the Farr 400 or both have ratings that are quite off the mark. Since the spread of the four Beneteau 36.7s is fairly wide and evenly dispersed throughout the standings, are you implying that the Farr 400 number grossly overstates the boats potential? Further, judging by Dacapo's post from some other race, it would seem the Beneteau 36.7 outperformed the Farr 400 in a wide range of conditions. Was the Farr 400 over early in this other race as well?

[Anonymous Guest 2]

Oh I do have a basic understanding how ratings work. Since there was little in the way of tactics and maneuvers, as I understand how this race played out, you are thus suggesting that either a Beneteau 36.7 or the Farr 400 or both have ratings that are quite off the mark. Since the spread of the four Beneteau 36.7s is fairly wide and evenly dispersed throughout the standings, are you implying that the Farr 400 number grossly overstates the boats potential? Further, judging by Dacapo's post from some other race, it would seem the Beneteau 36.7 outperformed the Farr 400 in a wide range of conditions. Was the Farr 400 over early in this other race as well?

First not all of the Beneteau 36.7's in the Edlu had the same ratings; the one who won had the more favorable rating. In the posting from "some other race" (even though the race is listed in the frame), the same Beneteau beat the same Farr by 28 seconds. Do not think the Farr was over early that race, but heard they had a prolonged spinnaker douse. In "some other race", there was a bit in the way of tactics and maneuvers.

['No.6]

You seem to be talking in tongue. Can't quite make out what in heaven's name you are getting at.
Are you often misunderstood?

[Left Hook]

What were the conditions for those of us that were not there.

Can someone please explain to me how a Beneteau 36.7 beats a Farr 400 in this Edlu race?
And what is an Edlu?

Video from Conviction showing conditions:

https://picasaweb.go...748499504781522

['moondance44]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

My good fellow. I know of a Beneteau 36.7 that beat a TP 52 and a Ker 50 in a very tactical 650 mile ocean race of varying conditions. Perhaps this Anonymous gent can elaborate.

[Joe Mama]

hey, I think I know why racing participation is down on LIS.

NOR of the Edlu Race

2.2 The Entry Fee is $100.00

I shit you not! 100 bucks!
Does it come with a happy ending?

Wah wah wah...

['No.6]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

My good fellow. I know of a Beneteau 36.7 that beat a TP 52 and a Ker 50 in a very tactical 650 mile ocean race of varying conditions. Perhaps this Anonymous gent can elaborate.

I would suspect that this Anonymous gent is an imposter. Comes across as a wet behind the ears kia.

Still my questions remain as to whether the Farr 400 rating is an accurate depiction of her potential. I guess we will have to wait and see void of quality input and quantity of results data.

[Anonymous Guest 2]

The premise that any boat could be competitive with another due to a handicap system is a very flawed notion.
So are you saying you think a Beneteau 36.7 is going to make up time in 10-13 knots of wind on a Farr 400 beating to weather?

My good fellow. I know of a Beneteau 36.7 that beat a TP 52 and a Ker 50 in a very tactical 650 mile ocean race of varying conditions. Perhaps this Anonymous gent can elaborate.

I would suspect that this Anonymous gent is an imposter. Comes across as a wet behind the ears kia.

Still my questions remain as to whether the Farr 400 rating is an accurate depiction of her potential. I guess we will have to wait and see void of quality input and quantity of results data.

This is the first time you have posed that question. Since there are only two or three Farr 400 IRC ratings in the USA and the same number of PHRF ratings (in different parts of the country without consistency of rating criteria), I would agree with you on this one that we will need to wait and see.

[hermetic]

And they both got beat by a couple of dudes on a J105.

Discuss.

[Anonymous Guest 2]

And they both got beat by a couple of dudes on a J105.

Discuss.

...and an Express 37, using the PHRF rating of a sistership.

['moondance44]

And they both got beat by a couple of dudes on a J105.

Discuss.

...and an Express 37, using the PHRF rating of a sistership.

There is another Express 37 with a bowsprit? I am surprised by you AG2. Whoever you are.

[Mung Breath]

NYAC's yacht club is almost an afterthought at this point-lots of power boats over there and the only guy I know who represents the club well in competition now is Lenny on Vamp, and he doesn't keep his boat there. That's not to say that once upon a time there were great sailors there but now, not so much. Larchmont's race is obviously reflecting the club's competitive heritage and active racing sailors in its membership and ties right into the Storm Trysail's Block Island race with the Tuna Trophy for best combined score.

Does anyone remember 'Sitzmark'?

Cheers,

MikeR

Oh, yes - see blog below ...and she's looking forward to her first NYAC Stratford Shoals race (as Coup D' Etat) in maybe 35 years as a tribute to Doc Nuemann.

['No.6]

And Doc would be proud of what you have done MB.

[btbotfa]

absolutely, gorgeous boat-look forward to seeing her on the line

[Mung Breath]

absolutely, gorgeous boat-look forward to seeing her on the line

Thanks, guys. She's still a terrific ocean boat. Not exactly in the light air league of BG's Farr 400, etc. so on behalf of Doc, grant us heavy weather! We'll likely race double-handed and non-spin but If the forecast is favorable, go the full course. After all, displacement has its virtues....

I didn't know Doc. However, friends did and I can honestly say that during her refit, he was omnipresent. Returning her to NYAC on his behalf is something I've looked forward to.
Ironically, as a 'non-NYAC' boat, she can't win the Sitzmark perpetual trophy.
But that's probably moot given how rusty we are....
We'll toast Doc with rum and Entenmann's regardless!

[dacapo]

can we get back to Can One...who's in tomorrow?? I hope more than last week...that was a lame turnout

[Left Hook]

Hopefully more than 1 boat in the PHRF 93+ division...

['moondance44]

Hopefully more than 1 boat in the PHRF 93+ division...

Mr. Taptoe and the Starship?

[jacktar]

Hopefully more than 1 boat in the PHRF 93+ division...

Mr. Taptoe and the Starship?

You're apparently reading the wrong scratch sheet since those boats race on Wednesday, not Thursday. Besides, the starship rates 90, even though they sailed last night to about a 138.

[Left Hook]

Nice night out there. Not much in the way of wind on the water but plenty enough up top to get (most of us) around the shortened course in under 45 minutes.

It was interesting watching a non-spin boat try to pull a "legal port" on The Shadow. Pretty damn funny...

[btbotfa]

let's just say the right was not right

['No.6]

I think if they had not shortened course you would have ground them down BTBOTFA.

[jacktar]

That would have been quite a bit of grinding in 0.7 nm. The Swan was already back on its mooring before the 90 raters drifted over the finish line.

['No.6]

Ya think?

[Left Hook]

What's the deal with the results? I'm still seeing a few boats missing.

[btbotfa]

they are still out there

[RookieRacer]

they are still out there

Yup, we still are. Almost at the windward mark, too!

[bheintz]

What's the deal with the results? I'm still seeing a few boats missing.

Race committee is using a sundial for race times? How else do they finish Shooting Star 00:01:11 after Deviation unless their clock stopped after the sun went down.

As per un-recorded finishers, since this is a series using Cox-Spraige Scoring then it does make a difference, even if they didn't finish.

['No.6]

Once the northerly filled Shooting Star achieved the fourth mode.
That should teach them to sail into a coffin corner with Deviation.

[Left Hook]

Looks like tonight was a good night to miss. I'm going to be wet and miserable all weekend so having an excuse to avoid that tonight was key.

Nice job to Deviation, Snow Goose and The Phantom who seemingly owned their divisions.

I didn't know they gave OCS's in Can One until today...

[bheintz]

I didn't know they gave OCS's in Can One until today...

Rumor has it the X flag was dropped after only one of the two alleged OCS boats restarted. RRS 29.1: The flag shall be displayed until all such boats are completely on the pre-start side of the starting line.

I only heard Quintessence sail number and from our vantage point we could only see the Sundari's black sails.

However, if the RC made a mistake, what would be the best way to rectify it? Reinstating an OCS boat would not be prudent, since they would have a perceived advantage.

['No.6]

Why do you say that Bill? If SS started cleanly and sailed a good race, why should she be penalized by an action of the RC that is questionable?
Fact is Q obscured the RC's ability to fairly judge the line. Fact is that the orange flag marking the boat end of the line is at the windscreen on the RC boat and those charged with sighting the line were several feet behind the flag. If SS was OCS, so where the boats who she was looking at transoms of, like Deviation and Sundari.
SS will be given a hearing next Thursday. She won fair and square and should be scored that way.

[Snaggletooth]

I didn't know they gave OCS's in Can One until today...

Rumor has it the X flag was dropped after only one of the two alleged OCS boats restarted. RRS 29.1: The flag shall be displayed until all such boats are completely on the pre-start side of the starting line.

I only heard Quintessence sail number and from our vantage point we could only see the Sundari's black sails.

However, if the RC made a mistake, what would be the best way to rectify it? Reinstating an OCS boat would not be prudent, since they would have a perceived advantage.

29.1 Individual Recall
When at a boat’s starting signal any part of her hull, crew or equipment
is on the course side of the starting line or she must comply
with rule 30.1, the race committee shall promptly display flag X with
one sound. The flag shall be displayed until all such boats are completely
on the pre-start side of the starting line or one of its extensions
and have complied with rule 30.1 if it applies, but no later than
four minutes after the starting signal or one minute before any later starting signal, whichever is earlier. If rule 30.3 applies this rule does
not.

[jesposito]

Looks like Frivolous and Rosie might have been sailing with there CORRECT sail configuration for OD rating

[jesposito]

Why do you say that Bill? If SS started cleanly and sailed a good race, why should she be penalized by an action of the RC that is questionable?
Fact is Q obscured the RC's ability to fairly judge the line. Fact is that the orange flag marking the boat end of the line is at the windscreen on the RC boat and those charged with sighting the line were several feet behind the flag. If SS was OCS, so where the boats who she was looking at transoms of, like Deviation and Sundari.
SS will be given a hearing next Thursday. She won fair and square and should be scored that way.

Always an excuse for losing, I guess there was no blowharding last night. Better luck this weekend, IF, you guys win I look forward to the blowharding of how great you guys are, and the guessing, I mean know the correct side to go out and come back on and the strategy of the currents. Remember you a 50/50 chance of picking it right

[bheintz]

Why do you say that Bill? If SS started cleanly and sailed a good race, why should she be penalized by an action of the RC that is questionable?
Fact is Q obscured the RC's ability to fairly judge the line. Fact is that the orange flag marking the boat end of the line is at the windscreen on the RC boat and those charged with sighting the line were several feet behind the flag. If SS was OCS, so where the boats who she was looking at transoms of, like Deviation and Sundari.
SS will be given a hearing next Thursday. She won fair and square and should be scored that way.

You are getting a hearing as to whether Shooting Star actually started? See 63.1, A5 and Definition of Start.

63.1 Requirement for a Hearing
A boat or competitor shall not be penalized without a protest hearing, except as provided in rules 30.2, 30.3, 67, 69, A5 and P2. A decision on redress shall not be made without a hearing. The protest committee shall hear all protests and requests for redress that have been delivered to the race office unless it allows a protest or request to be withdrawn.

A5 SCORES DETERMINED BY THE RACE COMMITTEE
A boat that did not start, comply with rule 30.2 or 30.3, or finish, or that takes a penalty under rule 44.3(a) or retires after finishing, shall be scored accordingly by the race committee without a hearing. Only the protest committee may take other scoring actions that worsen a boat's score.

Start A boat starts when, having been entirely on the pre-start side of the starting line at or after her starting signal, and having complied with rule 30.1 if it applies, any part of her hull, crew or equipment crosses the starting line in the direction of the first mark.

Sailing Instructions: To preserve the informal nature of the racing, protests are discouraged except in the event of serious violations of the rules or in the event of contact and/or damage to yachts.

Fact: RC determined that SS did not start correctly.
Fact: SS did not exonerate themselves by returning to the pre-start side.

Seems more like you are questioning the ability of the RC to call the starting line properly. See request for redress 62.1 (a)

Many of the rare situations you note have been or are being addressed. I am sure Bill P. commanding C1's own RC boat will go a long way to fixing line issues . . . BP also took it upon himself to do some USSA PRO courses, which we all applaud him for. It is hard to find a person who actually races to be PRO and we are very lucky to have Bill P. onboard. . . .

Hmm, perhaps John Drake and The Shadow should sit down over a couple of beers and work this out amongst themself.

[jesposito]

Why do you say that Bill? If SS started cleanly and sailed a good race, why should she be penalized by an action of the RC that is questionable?
Fact is Q obscured the RC's ability to fairly judge the line. Fact is that the orange flag marking the boat end of the line is at the windscreen on the RC boat and those charged with sighting the line were several feet behind the flag. If SS was OCS, so where the boats who she was looking at transoms of, like Deviation and Sundari.
SS will be given a hearing next Thursday. She won fair and square and should be scored that way.

You are getting a hearing as to whether Shooting Star actually started? See 63.1, A5 and Definition of Start.

63.1 Requirement for a Hearing
A boat or competitor shall not be penalized without a protest hearing, except as provided in rules 30.2, 30.3, 67, 69, A5 and P2. A decision on redress shall not be made without a hearing. The protest committee shall hear all protests and requests for redress that have been delivered to the race office unless it allows a protest or request to be withdrawn.

A5 SCORES DETERMINED BY THE RACE COMMITTEE
A boat that did not start, comply with rule 30.2 or 30.3, or finish, or that takes a penalty under rule 44.3(a) or retires after finishing, shall be scored accordingly by the race committee without a hearing. Only the protest committee may take other scoring actions that worsen a boat's score.

Start A boat starts when, having been entirely on the pre-start side of the starting line at or after her starting signal, and having complied with rule 30.1 if it applies, any part of her hull, crew or equipment crosses the starting line in the direction of the first mark.

Sailing Instructions: To preserve the informal nature of the racing, protests are discouraged except in the event of serious violations of the rules or in the event of contact and/or damage to yachts.

Fact: RC determined that SS did not start correctly.
Fact: SS did not exonerate themselves by returning to the pre-start side.

Seems more like you are questioning the ability of the RC to call the starting line properly. See request for redress 62.1 (a)

Many of the rare situations you note have been or are being addressed. I am sure Bill P. commanding C1's own RC boat will go a long way to fixing line issues . . . BP also took it upon himself to do some USSA PRO courses, which we all applaud him for. It is hard to find a person who actually races to be PRO and we are very lucky to have Bill P. onboard. . . .

Hmm, perhaps John Drake and The Shadow should sit down over a couple of beers and work this out amongst themself.

Bill,
It's a crock of shit, isn't it.
But I guess when your hooked up with YRA you are part of the good olde boys club

[RookieRacer]

Looks like Frivolous and Rosie might have been sailing with there CORRECT sail configuration for OD rating

More like we're both idiots. We started 10 minutes late, and Rosie sailed the wrong course. We could've been using 30hp outboards and still would've taken a week and a day to finish.

[Left Hook]

Beautiful evening for a sail. The line was predictably skewed by 20 degrees, each leg was a fetch, it was easy winning the attendance division and a certain 40 footer called a masterful layline for the leeward mark of the nonspin course.

Another gorgeous Thursday evening on WLIS. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

[CrushDigital]

Beautiful evening for a sail. The line was predictably skewed by 20 degrees, each leg was a fetch, it was easy winning the attendance division and a certain 40 footer called a masterful layline for the leeward mark of the nonspin course.

Another gorgeous Thursday evening on WLIS. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

When I saw you typed a "a certain 40 footer" I thought you would be bringing up the 40 footer that sailed to the wrong mark,,,,

[Left Hook]

Beautiful evening for a sail. The line was predictably skewed by 20 degrees, each leg was a fetch, it was easy winning the attendance division and a certain 40 footer called a masterful layline for the leeward mark of the nonspin course.

Another gorgeous Thursday evening on WLIS. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

When I saw you typed a "a certain 40 footer" I thought you would be bringing up the 40 footer that sailed to the wrong mark,,,,

I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's all fun, just thursday night racing. Who cares what mark you're racing to as long as you're out there. Just some chuckle value for the rest of us who will do it ourselves someday.

[CrushDigital]

I never said it wasn't funny, plus it provided most of the fleet what will likely be a rare opportunity to finish ahead of them.

Much to Sundari's credit, when they realized what had happened they gybed and dragged their asses up the sound to circle the rigtht mark. They could have just put the motor on...

[bheintz]

Beautiful evening for a sail. The line was predictably skewed by 20 degrees, each leg was a fetch, it was easy winning the attendance division and a certain 40 footer called a masterful layline for the leeward mark of the nonspin course.

Another gorgeous Thursday evening on WLIS. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

It's hard to pass or get passed when the race to the finish is a fetch. For once we used this to our advantage.

[jacktar]

I never said it wasn't funny, plus it provided most of the fleet what will likely be a rare opportunity to finish ahead of them.

Much to Sundari's credit, when they realized what had happened they gybed and dragged their asses up the sound to circle the rigtht mark. They could have just put the motor on...

Oddly though, they haven't appeared in the results. http://yachtscoring....umber=4&eID=606

[CrushDigital]

Yeah, there is some screwy stuff going on in those results, just look at the finishing times people have been assigned.

['No.6]

Has been all year. Not sure the root of the problem. Some of it seems to be the actual recording of starters and finishers while some of it seems to be the entry of same into Yacht Scoring.
Also it would be helpful if YS published the cumulatives in Cox Sprague.

[Punani Jackson]

Yeah, there is some screwy stuff going on in those results, just look at the finishing times people have been assigned.

Looks like the slow spin boats were sent out on a long course.

[bheintz]

Looks like the slow spin boats were sent out on a long course.

Non-Spin Classes sailed 3.43 nm, Spin Classes sailed 4.12 nm, Sundari sailed a 4.74 nm course

[jacktar]

It would seem that Div. 3's start time was entered as 0915 instead of 1915. The good news is that this has no bearing on the results in a time on distance race.

[jesposito]

I guess from the looks of the results and who raced, there will be NO blowharding today.
I was looking for some tips on how to win races, oh well

[bheintz]

I guess from the looks of the results and who raced, there will be NO blowharding today.
I was looking for some tips on how to win races, oh well

SS is up on the hard with a leaky sail drive.

Adam smacked his head with the boom before the start and was taken to Hospital: we are all in a somber mood until while we wait for news.

[duncan]

Hope it's good news- nice guy

[Left Hook]

Terrible news. Here's hoping with all my heart that the injury was minor and that he makes a full and speedy recovery.

[Punani Jackson]

I guess from the looks of the results and who raced, there will be NO blowharding today.
I was looking for some tips on how to win races, oh well

SS is up on the hard with a leaky sail drive.

Adam smacked his head with the boom before the start and was taken to Hospital: we are all in a somber mood until while we wait for news.

Please keep us posted Bill.

[egon]

As of last night at the hospital, Adam had returned to his normal self after a few hours. CT scans were done, but I haven't heard word of any results as of this morning. He took a bad hit to the head, I was right next to him, but never lost consciousness. We turned around right after it happened and got on the phone to have EMTs meet us at the dock. Adam kept talking to us as we motored in and he was still quite alert.

We all know how much Adam loves sailing and how much he wanted to be out there last night with the new boat. All the best for him and for a quick recovery.

--Matt

[Mario]

+1

[bheintz]

+1

Jenni would like everyone to know that everything is fine [with Adam].


On a lighter note, what in the world is going on with the Race 5 results? I know its preliminary but . . .

Div 2 has 2 first places a few minutes apart, Div 3 has no first place finisher.

Max2 is posted as BFD, however this stands for DSQ under rule 30.3 (maybe the RC needs the Black Flag).

Div 3 Maudelayne finished after The Phantom?

Div 3 Clean Slate is posted as DNF, however I thought they finished shortly after us.

Div 4 Melody did not start as far as I know, were they even on the race course?

(only Adam can fix this, get well soon)

[Left Hook]

+1

Jenni would like everyone to know that everything is fine [with Adam].


On a lighter note, what in the world is going on with the Race 5 results? I know its preliminary but . . .

Div 2 has 2 first places a few minutes apart, Div 3 has no first place finisher.

Max2 is posted as BFD, however this stands for DSQ under rule 30.3 (maybe the RC needs the Black Flag).

Div 3 Maudelayne finished after The Phantom?

Div 3 Clean Slate is posted as DNF, however I thought they finished shortly after us.

Div 4 Melody did not start as far as I know, were they even on the race course?

(only Adam can fix this, get well soon)

The results are wrong, the race committee is aware and a fix is coming.

Another win (soon to be) in the books - beating out all of the faster spin boats.

[btbotfa]

As of last night at the hospital, Adam had returned to his normal self after a few hours. CT scans were done, but I haven't heard word of any results as of this morning. He took a bad hit to the head, I was right next to him, but never lost consciousness. We turned around right after it happened and got on the phone to have EMTs meet us at the dock. Adam kept talking to us as we motored in and he was still quite alert.

We all know how much Adam loves sailing and how much he wanted to be out there last night with the new boat. All the best for him and for a quick recovery.

--Matt

Apparently the CT scans showed nothing left on the interior of the cranium to be damaged so they gave him some advil and kicked him out.

[jacktar]

On a lighter note,

So how about that wind shift half way up the first beat?

[bheintz]

On a lighter note,

So how about that wind shift half way up the first beat?

The results still are wrong.

Ah, I see, they have The Phantom finishing a day later.

My guess is they will fix this. Better than my guesses on the first beat.

[jacktar]

It was another lovely evening. Maudelayne continued her dominance in Div 3, the boats with negative PHRF ratings proved that they are untouchable in light air, and it was a loooong night for the non-spin boats.

[Left Hook]

I'm back after a 2 week hiatus.... not that our results have indicated that we needed me.

[Snaggletooth]

I'm back after a 2 week hiatus.... not that our results have indicated that we needed me.

welome backe wespy, I misted you.

[Left Hook]

I'm back after a 2 week hiatus.... not that our results have indicated that we needed me.

welome backe wespy, I misted you.

Sanks!

When are we going sailing? You said we should but then we never followed up.

[jesposito]

It was another lovely evening. Maudelayne continued her dominance in Div 3, the boats with negative PHRF ratings proved that they are untouchable in light air, and it was a loooong night for the non-spin boats.

Tenbow,
Maudelayne is crushing on Thurs. Can you explain to me how the owner of the boat can go to the May PHRF meeting and from the floor manage to get the committee to give the boat 3 seconds a mile. I would like to know the magic words he used or does he just know someone on the PHRF committee, because that is another way to get time, knowing someone?
Just a question I am sure others would like to know the answer

[Left Hook]

The rating adjustment was based off of performance and a reduction of sail area.

+3 seconds for performance was well warranted as the Bene 36.7and Sov 33 are both much faster but only owed the X-34 3 seconds a mile. 99 is far more realistic for the boat.

['No.6]

I beg to differ that the First 367 or Soveral 33 are faster than the X-34. In fact the X-34 slowly walks away form the 367 in 10 knots of breeze while beating and is quite a bit faster off the wind. The boat had a very sailable rating to begin with and now has a bit of a gift rating.

[Left Hook]

How much time have you spent racing onboard the 34?

[bheintz]

Maudelayne is crushing on Thurs. Can you explain to me how the owner of the boat can go to the May PHRF meeting and from the floor manage to get the committee to give the boat 3 seconds a mile. I would like to know the magic words he used or does he just know someone on the PHRF committee, because that is another way to get time, knowing someone?
Just a question I am sure others would like to know the answer

Simple, they just don't design racing sailboats like they did 30 years ago.

['No.6]

How much time have you spent racing onboard the 34?

None. But have spent enough time sailing against M to understand her strengths and weaknesses.
Go to Sailboat Data, look at the specs of the X-34 relative to the First 36.7. I know you think the X-34 the weaker performer of the two, particularly in lighter air. Tell me if the numbers bear that out. Frankly I don't think they do.

[jesposito]

How much time have you spent racing onboard the 34?

None. But have spent enough time sailing against M to understand her strengths and weaknesses.
Go to Sailboat Data, look at the specs of the X-34 relative to the First 36.7. I know you think the X-34 the weaker performer of the two, particularly in lighter air. Tell me if the numbers bear that out. Frankly I don't think they do.

Just compare the IRC rating of the boat and convert it back to PHRF it is a bit faster than 96. Compare it to the X332 IRC rating and you will see how fast the boat SHOULD be, not based on how it is sailed

[jesposito]

Maudelayne is crushing on Thurs. Can you explain to me how the owner of the boat can go to the May PHRF meeting and from the floor manage to get the committee to give the boat 3 seconds a mile. I would like to know the magic words he used or does he just know someone on the PHRF committee, because that is another way to get time, knowing someone?
Just a question I am sure others would like to know the answer

Simple, they just don't design racing sailboats like they did 30 years ago.

Yeah Bill,
This is like the J/29 and the J/92, same designer designs a boat 12 years later to be slower than the 29. Although it's write up on the 92 says it should be faster than her sistership the J/29 by 18 secs per mile. And according to the IRC rating it is.