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#1001 Tornado-Cat

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 03:29 PM

Flying kids, amazing...

 



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 04:29 PM

Watched it three times...

Amazing what has developed in a very short period of time.

Lucky kids!



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 04:35 PM

I would have loved sailing that at his age !

 

BTW, the Flying Phantom project date from 2010 and Martin Fisher worked on the FP. Do we know if they flied before or after TNZ? who inspired whom ?



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 05:18 PM

Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:28 PM

Who was it that actually pulled the plug on the "money" race? The "Red Bull YAC" final?



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:30 PM

Exceeded the upper wind limits established for the "youths"....



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 07:34 PM

Exceeded the upper wind limits established for the "youths"....

...and where did those upper wind limits originate?



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:00 PM

Part of the whole arrangement before the start of the Youth series.

Search the SI's and other documents if you find the need. They were firmly in place before the start of the first race in that series.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:21 PM

Part of the whole arrangement before the start of the Youth series.

Search the SI's and other documents if you find the need. They were firmly in place before the start of the first race in that series.

You are not providing any information, why are you responding?



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:45 PM

Here watch the last race and the cancelled race:

 

 

Upper wind limit for the last race was 18.6 knots.

 

For your own sake, jhc use a search engine and go find out what you want to know specifically.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:03 PM

"For your own sake, jhc use a search engine and go find out what you want to know specifically." (fs)

 

No way! And miss all this acrimony?

 

You still have not provided any information pertinent to my question, though you have upped the band width a lot with that you-tube link.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:48 PM

I was considering saying, "Jesus H. Christ! Look it up yourself."

 

Your first question was, "Who was it that actually pulled the plug on the "money" race?"

My answer was perhaps not clear enough.

The race committee, "pulled the plug". The reason was the wind speed exceeded the wind limits in place for the regatta. That speed was 18.6 knots for the second race as discussed in the video posted.

 

Your second query, "..and where did those upper wind limits originate?"

The limits were presumably written by the Organizing Authority.

 

What are you really asking?

 

If you want anything more specific then, JHC, do your own research.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:56 PM

He may post as JHC but he's more an 800lb gorilla. With a low, receding forehead.. :)

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:43 PM

He may post as JHC but he's more an 800lb gorilla. With a low, receding forehead.. :)

Sometimes it's like walking into a Monty Python skit around here.

 

I thought this was a pretty benign thread. Simple question about why a race was cancelled, simple answer.....

 

 

It's always gotta be more convoluted than it seems.  :ph34r:



#1015 jhc

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:54 PM

A shortage of facts, and long on acrimony. And mr. ray chiming in as well.

 

You two must be brothers.

 

...Jesus H. Christ!

 

I kind of like that.

 

Just who is the "Organizing Authority" anyway?



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:08 AM

If that's the next JC question, maybe look up 'God'?

Saw it in Wiki somewhere but definitely lost the link some time back..

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:16 AM

If that's the next JC question, maybe look up 'God'?

Saw it in Wiki somewhere but lost the link some time back..

Still my first question actually.



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:22 AM

Lighten up, there's fuck all else going on around here these days. It's the silly season and you fit right in so even you can locate a bar stool and find a gap. Just don't expect priority treatment from the wench.

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:26 AM

Lighten up? Nameless authorities, taking the wind from the ac youth's sails, just as they were to make the big time!

 

Heads should roll!

 

Lifetime bans!

 

WTF?



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:31 AM

TNZ crews took 1st and 2nd in the ACYC. Very impressive. What is up your ass?

Never mind.. (Yikes)

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:41 AM

I have discussed these events with other authorities. Powerful organizing authorities. There are lifetime banns issued to (almost) all the youth involved with "youth ac '13". These poor youths will never, ever be allowed to perform in youth ac events again!

 

I call upon all good minded, and thoughtful sea lawyer types to make a stand, and rectify this travesty!

 

Take this matter to the top!

 

ISAF, US Sailing, AAU!

 

The youths were not the ones who exceeded the limits!

 

Was the Organizing Authority!

 

All noted in the above posts...Out in the open, with nothing hidden.

 

There is only one man who can save them, Peter Huston!



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:44 AM

Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?

Trolling again ? I never spoke of the Red Bull, I say the AC45 was as well suited to young kids as the Flying Phantom is to you. :D



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:44 AM

^^ I bow down to PH. Let Justice be Served.. :)

Jesus H Christ, who did you think was going to win that event? Burling and crew nailed it, the result would have been even bigger had the big-wind race been run.

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:57 AM

I feel the youth ac is a metaphor for the entire ac, as it stands today.

 

A great idea, that was carried out poorly, and a result that leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

 

If ac35's "organizing authority" who are by the way, the same players as ac34, are consistent, we the observers, and interested parties, are in for a similar f***** up as the last one. If they can even get it up off the ground.

 

There were some bright spots:

The boats

The venue

The final series

 

Two of those seem to be abandoned, with the third probably due to be changed also.

 

Seems a shame...



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:47 AM

oh..

So it is a skit, sorry, must have stepped through the wrong door...

 

Carry on then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

psst. who's the author? name of the play--skit?



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Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:35 AM

Wasn't it you who famously claimed several times that the Red Bull YAC would result in total disaster - young kids could never tame the AC45's ?

Trolling again ? I never spoke of the Red Bull.

Short memory eh ? Not the first time you've changed colors when questioned - you went on for awhile about this.

 

That's ok - I know the truth - keep your head in the sand :)



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 03:17 PM

These two old boys, who took the inside route and helped themselves to an AC45, are still doing pretty well ...

 

Double Olympic gold medallists Roman Hagara and Hans Peter Steinacher and their team on Red Bull Sailing Team have won the opening Act of the 2015 Extreme Sailing Series™, soaking up the pressure of expectation in front of the crowds in Singapore to become kings of Marina Bay after 32 hard fought races.

 

http://www.vsail.inf...sailing-series/

 

I wonder if they'll get the nod to run the Bermuda YAC?



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 05:13 PM

They already have.RH and HPS will be running the 2017 YAC.



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 06:23 PM

^ Sauce?

 

;)

 

by the way, did they have the Red Bull sponsorship before their time running YAC? Did they in fact help bring RB in as sponsors - or is that something else they skimmed off?



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 09:57 PM

AC35 website, under "Youth America's Cup".

 

RH and HPS have been with Red Bull for years, sponsors for their ESS entry for as long as I can remember, from the series start I beleive.



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Posted 12 February 2015 - 10:10 PM

^ Thanks - should have looked myself. So did they initiate the Red Bull/YAC tie-up then do you know?



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 12:03 AM

I think (but don't know)  that the relationship  started with JS signing up with Red Bull and Red Bull suggested putting everyone together.  The YAC  was a natural marketing scheme  for Red Bull. 



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 12:26 AM

AC35 website, under "Youth America's Cup".

 

RH and HPS have been with Red Bull for years, sponsors for their ESS entry for as long as I can remember, from the series start I beleive.

 

Red Bull is Austrian, just like RH and HPS.



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Posted 27 April 2015 - 12:40 PM

Coutts eyes boat for Bermuda sailors

 

A Bermuda team could compete in the next Red Bull Youth America’s Cup.

Sir Russell Coutts, the America’s Cup Event Authority and Oracle Team USA CEO, is believed to be keen to see Bermuda among the teams vying for Team New Zealand’s title at the next event, which will begin next year with qualifiers, with the final regatta taking place in 2017.

 

cont... http://www.royalgaze...ORT30/150429778

 

Dispensing favours like a boss...



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Posted 08 August 2015 - 05:13 PM

TeamOracleBermudaJunior? for the YAC - good to see the locals getting a hand up.

 

Looks like a good turn-out.  http://www.royalgaze...08009999&Ref=PH



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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:08 PM

Another try out for Team America Offshore Junior coming up....

 

http://bernews.com/2...nd-try-weekend/



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 07:22 PM

Team Larry's 2nd tryout for Bermuda YAC today.



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 08:13 PM

Team Bermuda fitness combine
http://mobile.royalg...ORT30/150929727

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 08:22 PM

Team Bermuda fitness combine
http://mobile.royalg...ORT30/150929727

Better one here
http://bernews.com/2...h-americas-cup/

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 11:38 PM

Team Larry's 2nd tryout for Bermuda YAC today.

yea, wonder when the tryouts are scheduled for the american youth team, which Chainlocker assures us is firmly planned?



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Posted 29 September 2015 - 09:30 AM

^ Good question.

 

3rd and final round for young and fit Bermudians is in December.



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Posted 05 November 2015 - 06:03 PM

156 candidats, une trentaine de pré-sélectionnés... le recrutement des jeunes talents de demain se poursuit avec la Fédération Française de Voile et l'École Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques

 

and

 

 

4 nov. 2015

 

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Info filière : une sélection très engagée

 

Le 9 octobre dernier, l’ENVSN, la FFVoile, le Conseil Départemental du Morbihan, BIC Sport et Groupama Team France lançaient la première des trois salves de recrutement de jeunes régatiers d’un âge compris entre 18 et 23 ans. Sur les 156 dossiers déposés sur le site de la FFVoile, le jury en a retenu une trentaine qui participera aux épreuves de sélection à l’Ecole Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques du 13 au 15 novembre prochain.

 


« Le nombre de candidats dépasse nos espérances, c’est bien plus que ce que nous imaginions à l’origine. L’intérêt pour ceprojet programmé sur trois ans a été exceptionnel » relate Isabelle Eynaudi, Directrice de l’ENVSN.

Cette première opération dedétection, sélection et de formationconstituera un vivier pour l’équipage qui portera les couleurs de la France lors de la Youth America’s Cup, en juin 2017, est inédite et rencontre un succès impressionnant :

Lui aussi détecté par une filière Espoir il y a plus de vingt ans, Franck Cammas est heureux de parrainer une opération pleine de sens pour le collectif Team France qui a pour ambition d’engager la France à long terme sur la Coupe de l’America afin de la gagner :

« C’est une réelle chance pour les jeunes d’accéder au plus haut niveau international en multicoque et sur des bateaux qui volent » confirme le skipper de Groupama Team France.

 


« La participation de la France à la Youth America’s Cup est importante car c’est très probablement parmi les jeunes que nous sélectionnons aujourd’hui que se trouveront les meilleurs équipiers de demain ».

Soutenu par BIC Sport qui a notamment acquis les trois Flying Phantom mis à disposition des jeunes, cette première phase de sélection a été pilotée par la Fédération avec le concours de l’ENVSN et de Groupama Team France.

 

 


« La détection des jeunes talents sur l’ensemble du territoire est l’un des savoirs faire dont la Fédération Française de Voile à la maîtrise. Nous étions confiants en lançant ce programme en association avec Groupama Team France et l’ENVSN que nous obtiendronsd’obtenir un franc succès auprès de ce public de jeunes sportifs. Nous sommes convaincus d’avoir sélectionnés 30 candidats à forts potentiels. » explique Jean Pierre Champion, Président de la FFVoile.

A l’issue de cette sélection, les jeunes sportifs s’engageront dans une saison de DIAM 24 ou de Flying Phantom en fonction de leurs orientations et de leur habileté :

 


« Le programme qui sera proposé aux douze candidats retenus est important avec une centaine de jours de navigation par an. Leur disponibilité était donc un des critères de sélection en plus de leur palmarès et de leur gabarit physique pour exploiter des bateaux physiquement très exigeants » précise Louis Viat, membre de Groupama Team France et double vainqueur de la Petite Coupe de l’America avec Franck Cammas.

Les heureux sélectionnés se retrouveront à l’ENVSN du 13 au 15 novembre pour trois jours de sélection. Au programme : des tests physiques, des entretiens individuels de motivation et enfin des navigations.

 

A l’issue de ces trois journées, les douze meilleurs seront qualifiés et entameront très rapidement les entrainements afin de préparer la saison 2016 :

 


« Ce projet est une suite logique pour BIC Sport qui accompagne les jeunes depuis près de 20 ans. Avec cette opération, c’est la voile du futur que nous soutenons durant les trois prochaines années, au-delà du programme Team France. Former les pratiquants et les futurs cadres qui enseigneront la voile de demain est l’une des missions de l’ENVSN et nous sommes évidemment ravis de constater le succès qu’elle rencontre » ajoute conclutThierry Verneuil.

Reste maintenant à la trentaine de jeunes sélectionnés à se préparer dans les meilleures conditions pour gagner leur sélection. Et pourquoi pas représenter quelques années la France sur la Coupe de l’America dans le sillage de Cammas, Desjoyeaux et Kersauson sur des bateaux qui volent jusqu’à trois fois la vitesse du vent ?



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Posted 17 November 2015 - 10:57 PM

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Bermuda start Red Bull selection process

After two open fitness combines, 40 athletes have met the minimum physical and mental standards necessary to advance in the selection process of the Bermuda Red Bull Youth Americas Cup team.
http://mobile.royalg...ORT30/151119730

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 03:41 PM

http://www.dailymoti...am-france_sport

 

Groupama Youth selection - very french



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Posted 06 December 2015 - 11:28 AM

and here they are, GTF Junior trimaran racers...

 

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Restait à dévoiler le nom des dix jeunes sélectionnés qui auront peut-être l’opportunité de représenter la France lors de la Youth America’s Cup qui se déroulera aux Bermudes en juin 2017. Cette opération, qui exprime à merveille l’engagement pérenne de l’association Team France, vise à développer leurs compétences en matière de multicoque à foils. Détectés collectivement par l’Ecole Nationale de Voile et des Sports Nautiques, la FFVoile, le département du Morbihan, Bic Sport et Team France, ces dix jeunes vont maintenant s’entraîner à l’ENVSN et régater à raison de 100 jours par an en Diam 24 et en Flying Phantom durant l’année 2016. Et pourquoi pas, dans le futur, succéder aux Cammas, Desjoyeaux et Kersauson à la tête du défi national Team France ?

Les 10 jeunes sélectionnés sont :


A/ En Diam 24 pour préparer le Tour de France à la Voile :
• Erwan Fischer Guillou
• Thibault Julien
• Robin Follin
• Sandro Lacan
• Timothé Lapauw
• Jules Dedegarray

 

B/ En Flying Phantom
• Robin Follin
• Sandro Lacan
• Jolan Neiras
• Antoine Rucard
• Tom Laperche
• Tim Mourniac

 

+ other more general quotes, as per the Nautic video   http://groupamateamf...-en-action.html

 

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 09:47 PM

A look at the Red Bull RBYAC site indicates they are accepting 10 youth teams for 2017. And every indication I have from a couple of college team coaches is there will be a US team with announcements coming no later than February.
Hope this turns out to be true.

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 09:58 PM

Me too. At least one sailor from the USA RedBull team from last time has been taken into the sailing team. It's a nice trend a serves the purpose too.

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 08:14 AM

Red-Bull-hopefuls-put-through-their-pace

 

Red-Bull-hopefuls-put-through-their-pace

http://www.bermuda.c...gh-their-paces/

 

 30 Left Standing In Quest For Team Bermuda

 

In the wake of an intensive one-week training camp, 27 hopefuls will advance in the journey to become a part of Team BDA in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup. There were 46 vying for a spot on the team at the start of the camp on December 27, 2015.

 

Additionally, three candidates with pre-approved excused absences from the December camp are still viable and will be evaluated at the next training camp expected in March. That leaves 30 candidates alive in the selection process.

 

The group to advance to this point are an almost equal mix of sailors with competition experience and athletes who have met a series of demanding physical tests to advance in the process. The final team will be a mix or both sailors and athletes which is consistent with the composition of the modern-day America’s Cup teams.

RBYAC-Collage-30-Advance.jpg

 

more: http://bernews.com/2...quest-team-bda/



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 10:33 AM

https://docs.google....RBYAC-FundR.pdf

 

 

2016

• Identify a squad of 18 of our best

sailors and athletes who, with intensive training

and coaching, will be equipped to compete with

the world’s best young sailors in one-design foiling

AC45 catamarans

• Final racing team will consist of 6 Red Bull Youth

America’s Cup squad members

• Team BDA will compete around the world on

the way to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup in

June 2017 played out on local waters.

 

 

 

I wonder what this last point is supposed to indicate, or is it just a misunderstanding?



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:46 PM

Hasn't the RBYAC being held in Bermuda in June '17 always been the arrangement?

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:55 PM

Hasn't the RBYAC being held in Bermuda in June '17 always been the arrangement?

 

try again...

 

• Team BDA will compete around the world on

the way to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup...



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:58 PM

I'm sure they are free to go compete in any kind of events anywhere around the world that they want to.

I see no implication made that they will be racing at ACWS events, if that's what you're trying to read into it.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:44 PM

Bda yoof...   https://video-frt3-1...7ba&oe=56B3DC0D



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Posted 04 February 2016 - 10:07 PM

Bda yoof...   https://video-frt3-1...7ba&oe=56B3DC0D

Nice to see the enthusiasm and the possibly rich diversity in that team.

Does anyone have proven talent at helm or tactician?

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 04:37 PM

How's that american youth team doing in training? They getting out early and getting ahead of the curve? A priority for OR to help build the next generation of american sailors?



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Posted Yesterday, 06:19 AM

If LE really wanted to help build the next generation of American sailors he'd be sponsoring some around the Olympic classes circuit, at a cost level that wouldn't even register in the context of an AC campaign.



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Posted Yesterday, 05:17 PM

^ But he needs 5 ...gym_rat.jpg

for every ...     chris_poole.jpg

 

 

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