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[PeterHuston]

Why is that in all of Jolly Old England, the only people who can sail an AC 45 are those who are also part of the GBR Olympic development and/or Olympic team?

Pretty much all promising British youth sailors will be part of the RYA squad system. The Olympic team is just the tip of the iceberg.

So in all of England there aren't 6 qualified youth sailors with ambitions other than the Olympics?

[Rennmaus]

Why is that in all of Jolly Old England, the only people who can sail an AC 45 are those who are also part of the GBR Olympic development and/or Olympic team?

Pretty much all promising British youth sailors will be part of the RYA squad system. The Olympic team is just the tip of the iceberg.

So in all of England there aren't 6 qualified youth sailors with ambitions other than the Olympics?

Wrong word. Should have read "money" (add "for" in front of "Olympics").

[PeterHuston]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

If Ainslie can't put together a youth AC team, what makes anyone think he's going to get a real AC team off the ground?

[nav]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

The Olympics?

[Presuming Ed]

The majority of funding for the Olympics isn't commercial money - it's quango money. Commercial sponsorship levers off that, and lots of it depends on visibility of the sailors. BA = lots of vis = lots of sponsorship cash. The others? Not so much.

Cash is directed at the Olympics because coming 36th in the medal table in Atlanta in 96 was seen to be a bit humiliating. It was deemed that Something Should Be Done.

[Rennmaus]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

The Olympics?

IIRC, the Olympics take place every four years, the venue is planned and communicated a long time before, and all entrants can be sure that they will take place at all. Incomparable to the YAC.

[nav]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

The Olympics?

IIRC, the Olympics take place every four years, the venue is planned and communicated a long time before, and all entrants can be sure that they will take place at all. Incomparable to the YAC.

All fair enough but the suggestion that an event is of no interest to sponsors because it takes place a distance away from 'them'??? ignores modern realities IMO.

Basic point remains - Poms fail to get their 'AC' act together, yet again!

Hope they enjoy their Olympic sailing success - it's all they can manage* it seems

*(& Sail Rocket)

[ro!]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

If Ainslie can't put together a youth AC team, what makes anyone think he's going to get a real AC team off the ground?

You are supposed to be the marketing dude , why don't you tell us?

Maybe he hasn't been allowed the use 'his' boat for the youf event...
Maybe he expects to be helming 17 during that time...
Maybe there is no one over there who thinks there will a roi on the substantial money needed to be competitive in a one off event....

We know you guys think the Olympics suck because your teams not very good at it, so it's an easy slam on the UK, about a youf series only you and a bunch of Austrian caffiene pushers care about...oh you forgot to mention sir keef....

[~Stingray~]

Update from the French Youth Team, in French
http://www.catamag.fr/?p=4507

[PeterHuston]

Not too surprising. A one off event for unknown faces 8 time zones away from your home market? RoI on that = not very much at all. Especially without an AC entry to lever off.

If Ainslie can't put together a youth AC team, what makes anyone think he's going to get a real AC team off the ground?

You are supposed to be the marketing dude , why don't you tell us?

Maybe he hasn't been allowed the use 'his' boat for the youf event...
Maybe he expects to be helming 17 during that time...
Maybe there is no one over there who thinks there will a roi on the substantial money needed to be competitive in a one off event....

We know you guys think the Olympics suck because your teams not very good at it, so it's an easy slam on the UK, about a youf series only you and a bunch of Austrian caffiene pushers care about...oh you forgot to mention sir keef....

It's not my youth series, that's for sure. If it was my series, it would be a match race, because that is what the America's Cup is.

I happen to think Olympic sailing is damn cool, and process of attempting to make the Olympics develops great sailors. I admire the way the UK, the Kiwi's and Aussie do things. I am disappointed in the approach that the US has taken for a very long time. I'd prefer to see strong classes, rather than Jerome Pels invented classes like the Elliott involved, and then immediately disinvolved...but that is all just part of the adaption process.

As for Ainslie and his involvement with a UK team - it is just the ownership thereof. If he was busy with his obligations to sail for Oracle Team USA, he can hire a CEO for his youth team.

What this tells us is that AInslie, and his marketing people moreso, couldn't figure out how to make a buck from this event. As I see it, would have been a hell of an opportunity for the likes of PJ Morgan to do some client entertainment.

Just baffling to me that there aren't six youth sailors in all of England, who coupled with Ainslie's stature in the marketplace couldn't put this deal together.

[dogwatch]

So in all of England there aren't 6 qualified youth sailors with ambitions other than the Olympics?

Apparently not.

The potential team whose details were posted here some time ago were IIRC mostly 49er sailors. If you consider what classes talented youth sailors would be involved here that relate to an AC45, the obvious one is the 49er. The Squad system would push such sailors into that class. If 49er sailors are good enough, they will almost certainly have Olympic aspirations.

[PeterHuston]

So in all of England there aren't 6 qualified youth sailors with ambitions other than the Olympics?

Apparently not.

The potential team whose details were posted here some time ago were IIRC mostly 49er sailors. If you consider what classes talented youth sailors would be involved here that relate to an AC45, the obvious one is the 49er. The Squad system would push such sailors into that class. If 49er sailors are good enough, they will almost certainly have Olympic aspirations.

And a couple of weeks of sailing in an AC 45 three years before the Olympics is somehow going to be such a time drain that it proves to be the missing link between man and Olympic glory?

49'er's are the only high performance boats these days? What about those with aspirations of sailing a cat in the Olympics? Or F-18's, A-cats or whatever. Sailing an AC 45 for a couple of weeks, with all the associated talent around the class/event isn't going to be beneficial to them?

I don't care one way or another if GBR or anyone else doesn't want to play, fact is I think the structure of the event is flawed and not exactly well thought out, but, I do see the general value, and can make a very good case for the sponsor value of anyone who participates, in spite of my disagreement with the way the event is structured.

[dogwatch]

49'er's are the only high performance boats these days?

No but it's the one that outstanding British youth sailors who are attracted to high-performance boats will be led into by the squad system, which is pervasive.

Look, it's a fact that there won't be a GBR team. You've queried why and I've explained why. My club is very much embedded in the system I'm describing and every time I go sailing I see this system at work. I'm not sure why from half way around the world, you seem to think you know better.

[MR.CLEAN]

Think about it, you can be an unpaid sailing hero, and some hot chick might fuck you a couple of times. Then She'll leave you for an older guy with money.

Why would you want her to stay after you fucked her a couple of times?

[PeterHuston]

49'er's are the only high performance boats these days?

No but it's the one that outstanding British youth sailors who are attracted to high-performance boats will be led into by the squad system, which is pervasive.

Look, it's a fact that there won't be a GBR team. You've queried why and I've explained why. My club is very much embedded in the system I'm describing and every time I go sailing I see this system at work. I'm not sure why from half way around the world, you seem to think you know better.

I don't claim to know better at all. I am just stunned that Ainslie couldn't put a deal together.

[SimonN]

The GBR decidion is, IMO, totally understandable and correct. For all of the piss taking this summer, people forget that Team GBR got more sailing medals at the Olympics than any other team. Yes, congrats to the Aussies who got more golds, but that doesn't change the fact that for 3 Olympic cycles, Team GBR have got more medals than any other team and have won more golds on 2 of those occasions. So they must be doing something right. And one of the things they get right is focusing on what produces medals. Attending teh Youth AC doesn't do that, so not only would Team GBR not want their guys doing it, but if the sailors really do understand the Team GBR system, they wouldn't want to do it either.

And it is wrong to nthink of the Olympics as a 4 year cycle. There are 2 different cycles going on. The first is to qualify to go, the second is to then become the best you can be. If you look at the really succesful teams, such as GBR and AUS, early selection plays an important part in the success. I haven't seen the selection criteria for Team GBR for 2016 (I don't even know if it is out yet) but the chances are that it will be possible to be selected as ealry as 18 months befor ethe games (it depends on where World Championships take place). It is therefore possible that the Youth AC is within 18 months of a major milestone. The last thing the olympic guys want to do is to go off and train in a totally new boat for a reasonably extended period in the middle of the Northern Hemisphere sailing season. Without knowing dats, you can be certain it will clash with important regattas.

I don't think it should therefore be considered a surprise that Team GBR aren't supporting the event.

[onimod]

I think it's as simple as the fact that $60K can get you a lot further in any class other then AC45.

[~Stingray~]

But there were 3 GBR groups wanting to get in. Did the 'adults' overrule them?

I'm sure there are some disappointed kids but oh well. Some luckier kids will apparently have better chances this way so fine by me.

[ro!]

But there were 3 GBR groups wanting to get in. Did the 'adults' overrule them?

I'm sure there are some disappointed kids but oh well. Some luckier kids will apparently have better chances this way so fine by me.

I bet these 3 GBR 'groups' had the 200k to be competitive..and yea it was sir keef who vetoed it so you can start putting the boot in now..I wonder if the 3 groups are in your list of 20 'challenger groups'...a bit like your 15 AC challengers...
Given your condescending disdain for anything GBR, Olympics, big bad ben, sir keef, it's no surprise that it's 'fine by you'..
As for luckier kids ..we will see when they start flipping with the frequency of the 'best sailors in the world on the worlds fastest yachts'....

[~Stingray~]

Stuart A was very short on the why's except for the 'diaries' line. We are all just guessing the problem.

Yes, those 3 teams and 1 country likely should be subtracted from the 20 and 17 he wrote. And yes, there could be other failure/pretenders in the remainder.

[SimonN]

But there were 3 GBR groups wanting to get in. Did the 'adults' overrule them?

I'm sure there are some disappointed kids but oh well. Some luckier kids will apparently have better chances this way so fine by me.

You have a very distorted view of the world. For most of the top "kids" in sailing, the Olympics is their goal and I suspect that "adults" didn't need to overrule them. In fact, if you lnow anything about the top youths in the target age group, you would know they are incredibily capable of making the right decisions themselves. And let's face it. Do you think you are more likely to get a job in the AC from sailing what is little more than a corporate sponsorship oriented regatta or by winning an Olympic medal?

It seems incredible to me that some cry about how badly the USA does in sailing at the Olympics and then fail to understand why doing the YAC is probably not the best move in an Olympic campaign.

[~Stingray~]

But Stuart wrote there were three youth team effort wannabe's. Who decided they weren't allowed to include the YAC in their 'diaries'?

Clearly someone above their heads let them down.

[SimonN]

But Stuart wrote there were three youth team effort wannabe's. Who decided they weren't allowed to include the YAC in their 'diaries'?

Clearly someone above their heads let them down.

No, that's your interpretation. I cannot say anything about 2 of the teams, except they were unable to raise the funds. However, the original idea was that Team GBR sailors would make up the BAR effort. That shouldn't come as a surprise as Ben is a product of that system and he would want the "best of the best". Until recently, the schedule for next year wouldn't have been published and anybody considering an Olympic campaign wouldn't have decided what they need to be doing. Once they knew what was going on, it seems that there were too many clashes. As to who would have made the decision, it would have been the sailors themselves. that is how the program works. You are never told not to do something. The issue is, however, that to be a member of Team GBR, you have to meet certain criteria. Those criteria usually involve positions at World and European championships. If you were a young Olympic hopeful, which would you want to do? An Olympic classes regatta that qualifies you to be part of the team and therefore get significant funding, or going to mplay at a regatta that might be great but actually has zero bearing on their Olympic campaign. Team GBR cannot change the rules for a few team members for a number of reasons, not least because it is unfair on other sailors, but also because some of the rules for grant money are laid down by other bodies, such as UK Sport, the high performance sports agency that controls the Lottery funding 9amongst other things).

Once the dates and commitments became clear, it was probably a "no brainer" for the Olympic guys not to do it. As for the other 2 teams, I have to assume they simply weren't good enough for BAR to want to have them involved.

[~Stingray~]

Speculation but probably good.

Okay!

[KingMonkey]

So a fair fight would be to count the number of Team GB sailors currently sailing in the AC against those from the US?

[maxmini]

So a fair fight would be to count the number of Team GB sailors currently sailing in the AC against those from the US?

No. The only fair comparison would be to compare the number of US sailors verses GBR in the YAC, that is what the thread is about after all .

[macca]

I think its more of a value issue.. The YAC is a very expensive thing, with a very limited projected outcome and return for sponsors. I have seen some realistic budgets in the region of 250k Euro only for costs (no body is getting paid a cent) and all this is for essentially one regatta thats a side event. The sponsor gets a minor branding position on a boat dominated by a massive, well recognised global brand.

Its a very hard sell with sponsors, particularly in the current market. How do you ask for a quarter of a million as a youngster, tell the sponsor that they get second spot on the boat to Red Bull and its for one short event with no defined media distribution..

I love the idea of getting the kids out there, but in the current format its neither sustainable or attractive as a one off for sponsors.

[dogwatch]

I think it's as simple as the fact that $60K can get you a lot further in any class other then AC45.

True, although the budget Alexander is suggesting is US$150K, and a "youth class" that costs that for a single event is a bizarre proposition.

[Manfred]

I think it's as simple as the fact that $60K can get you a lot further in any class other then AC45.

True, although the budget Alexander is suggesting is US$150K, and a "youth class" that costs that for a single event is a bizarre proposition.

Geez, its taken a long time until this discussion is being filtered down to the real reasons: "why is it difficult, nearly impossible, to get youth teams on the ground". Other than you guys having deep pockets and are willing to fund a youth team for the event. But it would mean that you need to make € 500K gross first as the Euro taxman takes half of your profits or gross salaries before you are able to pay some team for the fun of sailing the one event. The moonies are just not there. I assume they are elsewhere, but where? Anyway, if it happens that some youth teams are being funded or sponsored for this event, it is sending the wrong signal to the world of youth sailing. They are already thinking that putting a sticker at the back of their sail (club paid boat) pays them for a year of traveling and sailing in the sun. I am tired of receiving those: "Do you like to sponsor me" requests. We just do not make the moonies in this difficult economic climate. And this is only my humble opinion.

[dogwatch]

But it would mean that you need to make € 500K gross first as the Euro taxman takes half of your profits or gross salaries before you are able to pay some team for the fun of sailing the one event.

It's not that bad, certainly not in the UK and I suspect elsewhere. Companies can assign sponsorships to a marketing budget and hence they are a non-taxable expense. Individuals could channel the money through a charity as "advancement of amateur sport" is a recognised charitable purpose which means income tax paid can be reclaimed.

[KingMonkey]

I'm amazed at how - shall I say it politely - excited some of the US posters on here have got about this. Given that there is no UK team in the America's Cup itself, it is highly unsurprising that there is no UK team in the Yoof AC. If the numbers on here are correct - US$250,000 - then it would be completely unthinkable. Use US$250,000 of public money to give 5 youngsters an expensive holiday for one event, or use that to train 15 youngsters for a year? It's not difficult to decide which is the better investment. If there are plenty of rich Americans want to give their kids a holiday then so be it. . . spending that kind of money on the Yoof AC is not the best way to create a nation of sailors.

For all that BAR is kind of a competitor and I'm sure he threw a stick at getting his brand out there for the YAC, he isn't really a separate competitor and doesn't really have his own money. I can fully see that for the two commercial teams this is a good way of increasing sponsor value and - indeed - continuing a pipeline of talent without huge amounts of added cost given that they will be in SF with huge logistical bases etc already. No doubt for OR and AR, it will be a way of looking cuddly, as well.

I am very proud of the way that the RYA programme has fed British talent into the AC. I haven't done the numbers, but trickling down from Ainslie and Percy, there are many more from Chris Draper to Giles Scott who are participating. And - indeed - those like Nick Hutton and Paul Campbell-James who weren't really part of the RYA programme. For what it's worth, in fact, our most talented sailor eligible for the YAC is sailing for Luna Rossa which, I would have thought, is a statement of how well the RYA Olympic programme has done in readying sailors for the America's Cup.

[umpire]

Maybe GBR youth support is more interested in a more sustainable sailing program for their youngsters. To throw a significant amount on money at a one-off showcase event is nice, but money's tight and can be used better for longer lasting programs. May be the deciders' opinion.

I don't know where the money would have come from. It wouldn't have been the RYA's (there would be a riot if they tried to do that) and the lottery and government money that pays for Team GBR is tied to Olympic classes. I guess they had or hoped to have a commercial sponsor.

Think tthats the answer. As we know getting sponsorship is not an easything these days

[vmg]

Maybe GBR youth support is more interested in a more sustainable sailing program for their youngsters. To throw a significant amount on money at a one-off showcase event is nice, but money's tight and can be used better for longer lasting programs. May be the deciders' opinion.

I don't know where the money would have come from. It wouldn't have been the RYA's (there would be a riot if they tried to do that) and the lottery and government money that pays for Team GBR is tied to Olympic classes. I guess they had or hoped to have a commercial sponsor.

Think tthats the answer. As we know getting sponsorship is not an easything these days

Correct, any team that stepped up is banking on a good sponsor, but to push ahead they need to be ready to underwrite the costs themselves if no sponsor gets aboard. When you look at it this way, the money can benefit the sailors for a lot longer elsewhere.

We are talking youth here, but these guys are not under 18s, they have jobs and their own lives to sort out too.

[nav]

Lots of excuses really. Others seem to be able to get it together, despite the 'insurmountable difficulties' - not the Poms. Of course it 'appears' that the RYA does a good job nurturing sailing talent, because as you have all made clear - they have a complete monopoly on all UK sailing talent. No one dares move without their approval it seems. Shame their view of top sailing is so narrow and totally skewed towards the Olympics.
Gotta be in to win.

[KingMonkey]

Lots of excuses really. Others seem to be able to get it together, despite the 'insurmountable difficulties' - not the Poms. Of course it 'appears' that the RYA does a good job nurturing sailing talent, because as you have all made clear - they have a complete monopoly on all UK sailing talent. No one dares move without their approval it seems. Shame their view of top sailing is so narrow and totally skewed towards the Olympics.
Gotta be in to win.

As I said above, there are many products of the RYA programme that are currently sailing in America's cup teams. Again, while I haven't done the numbers I would have thought they came in a 'second group' of Italy, Australia and the UK, after - of course - New Zealand which pretty much staffs two full teams. All four of these are good Olympic sailing nations.

The RYA has a very, very broad remit in UK sailing, of which the Olympic programme is a small but very noticeable part. If you were to go their website, you will see for yourself: http://www.rya.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx . It is both the national governing body of sailing in the UK and - very importantly - a yacht club. Far from being an over-bearing, omniscient presence, though, you would struggle to notice it if it weren't for the fact that the sailing certificates that kids achieve have its logo on them as a sign that the sailing school is 'kosher'.

As the governing body it is also the recipient of the funding from UK Sport for the Olympic programme. Or Skandia Team GBR as it is known, after they added to the public money with private sponsorship for the programme as a whole. This funds 'elite squad' sailors for a full-time sailing job and 'development squad' sailors a bit less. Sailors are picked for the Olympics based primarily on their performance in top regattas, but also on the coach's knowledge of their personalities. If you wanted to go-it-alone and self-fund your Olympic campaign, went out and beat all the other UK hopefuls from Skandia Team GBR in most regattas, it would be very hard for them not to pick you for the Olympics. But why would you self-fund - if you are good enough, the funding, infrastructure and coaches are all there and - to correct SimonN earlier - it is a team that has created the most medals in the last 4 (not 3) Olympics.

There is not 'big boat' race training campaign at the RYA - that would be too expensive - but they do support the John Merricks Trust which aims to bridge this gap. Anyone wanting to go it alone is free to do so, and most big boat racing has no involvement from the RYA in the UK other than the training the sailors got when they were younger. But, to go back to the first statement in this post regarding the number of RYA-trained sailors in the proper America's Cup (despite no UK entry), it would seem that they are doing rather a good job of getting people ready to compete at the highest level, and that the focus on the Olympics is paying rich dividends.

[Rennmaus]

Thank you and dogwatch for the very educational posts. Looks like a good system, also for the careers after and between the Olympics. Now it becomes even more obvious that it wouldn't make much sense to sponsor the sailors for a 2nd tier sideshow when the good ones are already going for the real deal, in addition or after they enjoyed a very sustainable education.

Please help me out, as I cannot find any details at americascup.com - events - RB YAC, which teams applied for entry? Is there a list somewhere?

[FromTheRail]

There is not 'big boat' race training campaign at the RYA - that would be too expensive - but they do support the John Merricks Trust which aims to bridge this gap. Anyone wanting to go it alone is free to do so, and most big boat racing has no involvement from the RYA in the UK other than the training the sailors got when they were younger. But, to go back to the first statement in this post regarding the number of RYA-trained sailors in the proper America's Cup (despite no UK entry), it would seem that they are doing rather a good job of getting people ready to compete at the highest level, and that the focus on the Olympics is paying rich dividends.

did you forget about the BKA http://www.rya.org.u...oatacademy.aspx

also the SKA http://www.ryascotla.../Pages/SKA.aspx

[nav]

Thank you and dogwatch for the very educational posts. Looks like a good system, also for the careers after and between the Olympics. Now it becomes even more obvious that it wouldn't make much sense to sponsor the sailors for a 2nd tier sideshow when the good ones are already going for the real deal, in addition or after they enjoyed a very sustainable education.

Please help me out, as I cannot find any details at americascup.com - events - RB YAC, which teams applied for entry? Is there a list somewhere?

Red Bull Youth America’s Cup – Upcoming milestones:
October 31, 2012 – Close of late entries
Early November 2012 – Confirmation of entry list for Red Bull Youth America’s Cup teams associated with AC World Series teams
Early December 2012 – Confirmation of youth teams invited to Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series
February 9-24, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series in San Francisco
September 1-4, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup in San Francisco


more... http://www.americasc...th-americas-cup

[Rennmaus]

Thank you and dogwatch for the very educational posts. Looks like a good system, also for the careers after and between the Olympics. Now it becomes even more obvious that it wouldn't make much sense to sponsor the sailors for a 2nd tier sideshow when the good ones are already going for the real deal, in addition or after they enjoyed a very sustainable education.

Please help me out, as I cannot find any details at americascup.com - events - RB YAC, which teams applied for entry? Is there a list somewhere?

Red Bull Youth America’s Cup – Upcoming milestones:
October 31, 2012 – Close of late entries
Early November 2012 – Confirmation of entry list for Red Bull Youth America’s Cup teams associated with AC World Series teams
Early December 2012 – Confirmation of youth teams invited to Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series
February 9-24, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series in San Francisco
September 1-4, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup in San Francisco


more... http://www.americasc...th-americas-cup

Thanks, but not quite what I was looking for. I found this at your link tho:

"Currently there are over 20 teams from 17 nations who have applied in the third category and are eligible for the Selection Series (Full details of the final entry list will be released in December)."

As one of the greatest once sang:
"Said, woman, take it slow
It'll work itself out fine
All we need is just a little patience."

[dogwatch]

The RYA has a very, very broad remit in UK sailing, of which the Olympic programme is a small but very noticeable part. If you were to go their website, you will see for yourself: http://www.rya.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx . It is both the national governing body of sailing in the UK and - very importantly - a yacht club. Far from being an over-bearing, omniscient presence, though, you would struggle to notice it if it weren't for the fact that the sailing certificates that kids achieve have its logo on them as a sign that the sailing school is 'kosher'.

I think that depends on which branch of sailing you are involved with. In terms of youth sailing, the squad system touches on the majority of ambitious young sailors and if you visited my club you'd find RYA-related events for one class or another happening many if not most weekends and therefore a higher profile than you have suggested. Contrariwise their involvement in, say, offshore racing is much more peripheral.

[JimC]

Fro what I can make out here UK sailing is much more focussed on your own campaign in your own boat than other countries. In the US, judging from what I read hereabouts, there's a much bigger focus on getting p*****d at the owner's expense. So something like this is quite alien to what goes on at the clubs that the majority UK youth sailors sail at.

[familysailor]

Thank you and dogwatch for the very educational posts. Looks like a good system, also for the careers after and between the Olympics. Now it becomes even more obvious that it wouldn't make much sense to sponsor the sailors for a 2nd tier sideshow when the good ones are already going for the real deal, in addition or after they enjoyed a very sustainable education.

Please help me out, as I cannot find any details at americascup.com - events - RB YAC, which teams applied for entry? Is there a list somewhere?

Red Bull Youth America’s Cup – Upcoming milestones:
October 31, 2012 – Close of late entries
Early November 2012 – Confirmation of entry list for Red Bull Youth America’s Cup teams associated with AC World Series teams
Early December 2012 – Confirmation of youth teams invited to Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series
February 9-24, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup Selection Series in San Francisco
September 1-4, 2013 – Red Bull Youth America’s Cup in San Francisco


more... http://www.americasc...th-americas-cup

Thanks, but not quite what I was looking for. I found this at your link tho:

"Currently there are over 20 teams from 17 nations who have applied in the third category and are eligible for the Selection Series (Full details of the final entry list will be released in December)."

As one of the greatest once sang:
"Said, woman, take it slow
It'll work itself out fine
All we need is just a little patience."

Try this link: http://noticeboard.a...redbullyouthac/
It doesn't have a current list of teams that have applied, but there are two pdf documents that have a boatload of information.
"Event Notice"
"Event Information Package"
It's all about money.
A hunt for talent where the talent is invited to audition on a big show where the production, and all costs of the big show are provided by the invited talent.

[KingMonkey]

The RYA has a very, very broad remit in UK sailing, of which the Olympic programme is a small but very noticeable part. If you were to go their website, you will see for yourself: http://www.rya.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx . It is both the national governing body of sailing in the UK and - very importantly - a yacht club. Far from being an over-bearing, omniscient presence, though, you would struggle to notice it if it weren't for the fact that the sailing certificates that kids achieve have its logo on them as a sign that the sailing school is 'kosher'.

I think that depends on which branch of sailing you are involved with. In terms of youth sailing, the squad system touches on the majority of ambitious young sailors and if you visited my club you'd find RYA-related events for one class or another happening many if not most weekends and therefore a higher profile than you have suggested. Contrariwise their involvement in, say, offshore racing is much more peripheral.

Absolutely - was responding to a thread about the RYA being an all-seeing Death Star choosing the career path of full-time professionals, by no means a dig about the youth development side, in which they are very active. Indeed, that's their main remit.

[R L]

Maybe nobody gives a crap.

[~Stingray~]

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After months and months of hard work and determination the anticipation finally came to an end for 2 teams vying for positions in the Red Bull Youth Americas Cup as the met at Pier 80 in San Francisco for a 2 day trial with member of the ACEA and Oracle racing.

...

By the end of today's event, sailed in flat water and 10-15 knots, both crews were super stoked with their trial runs, and from the feedback from the staff on the chase boats was extremely positive. The trials will run through next Tuesday November 20th for this phase of selections. In February there will be an additional round which will include between 12-16 invitee's attending vying for 4 additional spots with other sponsoring teams.
http://www.pressure-...ca-s-Cup-Cherry

[SimonN]

Bundy looks really comfortable in those photos..........not! His hand is very close to, or on the tiller, most of the time! I suspect his coaching methods have changed a bit compared with working with BA. But good on the youngsters and lucky them. Great boat and great coach

[foredeckhell]

Actually, there wasn't a single moment that Darren touched the helm today

[SimonN]

Actually, there wasn't a single moment that Darren touched the helm today

Really? Then why can you see his hand on the tiller bar? Balance?

[foredeckhell]

Actually, there wasn't a single moment that Darren touched the helm today

Really? Then why can you see his hand on the tiller bar? Balance? :lol:/>

Not sure what pic your looking at, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, it might just be the angle.

[powdermonkey]

Whats the list of teams everyone knows about?

So far I have :-

USA - Team Force
USA - Quest for the Cup http://www.facebook....?ref=ts&fref=ts
France - http://www.facebook....FrenchYouthTeam
Denmark - Youth Vikings http://www.facebook....Vikings?fref=ts
Sweden - Artimis
NZ - ETNZ
Australia - http://www.facebook....casCupChallenge
Argentina - http://www.facebook....inaTeam?fref=ts
Virgin Islands -
The Netherlands - Flying Dutchies

who am I missing?

Also who's doing what training?

I've got so far


Team Force - small cats
Quest for the Cup - small cats and F40 (is the boat theirs or are thy chartering it?)
France - small cats
Denmark - small cats
Sweden - ?
NZ - ?
Australia - ?
Argentina - Small Cats?
Virgin Islands - ?
FLying Dutchies - they chartered an Extreme40 once and small cats?

Can anyone add to that?

[nicoaragones]

Whats the list of teams everyone knows about?

So far I have :-

USA - Team Force
USA - Quest for the Cup http://www.facebook....?ref=ts&fref=ts
France - http://www.facebook....FrenchYouthTeam
Denmark - Youth Vikings http://www.facebook....Vikings?fref=ts
Sweden - Artimis
NZ - ETNZ
Australia - http://www.facebook....casCupChallenge
Argentina - http://www.facebook....inaTeam?fref=ts
Virgin Islands -
The Netherlands - Flying Dutchies

who am I missing?

Also who's doing what training?

I've got so far


Team Force - small cats
Quest for the Cup - small cats and F40 (is the boat theirs or are thy chartering it?)
France - small cats
Denmark - small cats
Sweden - ?
NZ - ?
Australia - ?
Argentina - Small Cats?
Virgin Islands - ?
FLying Dutchies - they chartered an Extreme40 once and small cats?

Can anyone add to that?

Argentina is training in f18 to gain cat experience. Also they are sailing at soto 33, and soto 40 (fast big boats) to train team cordination. there are 3 f18 sailors, 2 470 sailors and 3 49er sailors. 5 with world titles, all with national titles. we are also in an advance training program 7 days a week. 4 days at the gym double turn. 3 days of running with hills, 2 days 16 km, 1 day 21km. our trainer lead Argentinian sailors to 5 olimpyc medals. we aslo have a sport doctor that is helping us to optimize our bodies and reach our max weight. Depending on the selection series on febaury, we will chart an x40 or sl 33 for our training.

[Indio]

Whats the list of teams everyone knows about?

So far I have :-

USA - Team Force
USA - Quest for the Cup http://www.facebook....?ref=ts&fref=ts
France - http://www.facebook....FrenchYouthTeam
Denmark - Youth Vikings http://www.facebook....Vikings?fref=ts
Sweden - Artimis
NZ - ETNZ
Australia - http://www.facebook....casCupChallenge
Argentina - http://www.facebook....inaTeam?fref=ts
Virgin Islands -
The Netherlands - Flying Dutchies

who am I missing?

Also who's doing what training?

I've got so far


Team Force - small cats
Quest for the Cup - small cats and F40 (is the boat theirs or are thy chartering it?)
France - small cats
Denmark - small cats
Sweden - ?
NZ - ?
Australia - ?
Argentina - Small Cats?
Virgin Islands - ?
FLying Dutchies - they chartered an Extreme40 once and small cats?

Can anyone add to that?

Argentina is training in f18 to gain cat experience. Also they are sailing at soto 33, and soto 40 (fast big boats) to train team cordination. there are 3 f18 sailors, 2 470 sailors and 3 49er sailors. 5 with world titles, all with national titles. we are also in an advance training program 7 days a week. 4 days at the gym double turn. 3 days of running with hills, 2 days 16 km, 1 day 21km. our trainer lead Argentinian sailors to 5 olimpyc medals. we aslo have a sport doctor that is helping us to optimize our bodies and reach our max weight. Depending on the selection series on febaury, we will chart an x40 or sl 33 for our training.

Not Lance Armstrong's?

[~Stingray~]

American Youth Sailing Force Red Bull YAC Trials

The team from American Youth Sailing Force talk about their day on the AC 45during trials for the 2013 Red Bull Youth America's Cup. © 2012 www.pressure-drop.us

[powdermonkey]

thanks nicoaragones

Sounds like you have a good programme, how are you involved in the campaign?

[Hastings]

American Youth Sailing Force Red Bull YAC Trials

The team from American Youth Sailing Force talk about their day on the AC 45during trials for the 2013 Red Bull Youth America's Cup. © 2012 www.pressure-drop.us

Maybe I am a bit grouchy today. But why do we have this intense media focus on these young people who have yet to do anything?

Or is it just New Zealanders who think you "do first" and "talk about it later?"

I can promise you this. There is no way Ed Hillary would have stood in front of a container and told a camera "oh gee .. it's all so cool ...."

[~Stingray~]

--
A selection series for international teams is planned for February 2013, but this week and into next ORACLE TEAM USA is hosting six teams over three two-day periods to select the teams that will represent the U.S. and San Francisco in next year's competition.

The six teams -- American Youth Sailing Force, Ocius Racing, Quest for the Cup, Team America Racing, Team City Front and Winged Victory -- feature sailors from 10 states, all with varied résumés in dinghy and keelboat racing. Each crew is comprised of six sailors, one more than Cup teams because the sailors are 40-50 pounds lighter than a Cup sailor.

Today we caught up with Team America Racing and Team City Front before they heading out for training on the Bay.

[nicoaragones]

Im part of the team. We started this project like a dream between friends, everybody said us we were crazy, and yes we are. we made all by our selfs, nobody belived on us. But the months pased by, and the project went growing each day. Now we count with the support of all our country, and money its not longer a problem. a marketing company is making a good buissnes with the project. We are glad to anounce that Lucas Calabrese and Juan De La Fuente (470 Bronce at London) have joined the team as on water coaches. Also we count with the support of Santi Lange, as technical advisor. We now have to wait to be selected on December. We expect to be one of the teams at the YAC and we are making a big effort to reach there.

[~Stingray~]

^ Good stuff
--
Nice GG photos here, fresh too

http://m.americascup...th-americas-cup

[Hastings]

Im part of the team. We started this project like a dream between friends, everybody said us we were crazy, and yes we are. we made all by our selfs, nobody belived on us. But the months pased by, and the project went growing each day. Now we count with the support of all our country, and money its not longer a problem. a marketing company is making a good buissnes with the project. We are glad to anounce that Lucas Calabrese and Juan De La Fuente (470 Bronce at London) have joined the team as on water coaches. Also we count with the support of Santi Lange, as technical advisor. We now have to wait to be selected on December. We expect to be one of the teams at the YAC and we are making a big effort to reach there.

It would be fantastic to have Argentina involved in the AC at some level.

So, good luck with this!

P.S. Southern hemisphere teams have to stick together. Except when it comes to soccer!

[Rolfe'd]

A good friend of mine is in SF now on team city front. Haven't heard a whole lot but it sounds like yesterday was spent learning all about the boats and then today they're doing laps on the racecourse.

[~Stingray~]

From the French Youth Team

[familysailor]

From the French Youth Team

Are they going to need to pay Todd a finders fee in addition to the other Youth fees?

[Tony-F18]

Excellent music too, very French.
I'm really looking forward to this event, should be a success.

[~Stingray~]

The first phase of the Red Bull Youth America's Cup selection process is underway this week. Six teams of youth sailors are spending two-day sessions training under the tutelage of ORACLE TEAM USA with the hopes of earning a spot in the main event next September.

At the conclusion of the team selection trials, two teams will be chosen -- one to represent the U.S. and one to represent San Francisco. Both will spend the next nine months training for the Red Bull Youth America's Cup finals, with coaching and guidance from ORACLE TEAM USA.

The sailors are ages 19-24 and hail from around the U.S., including several from the Bay Area. The crews are made up of collegiate All-Americans, youth World medalists and members of US Sailing's Development Team -- all talented sailors with years of experience on a variety of boats...but none on an AC45.

Today AC UNCUT report Genny Tulloch talks to Quest for the Cup before they head out for Day 1 of their training with ORACLE TEAM USA coaches on San Francisco Bay.

[familysailor]

New video here:

http://www.pressure-...26871#post26871

Along with additional photos and commentary about the teams competing to win the two USA spots.
Newest video is at the bottom, I can't figure out how to make it go there directly.

[~Stingray~]

Also fresh

[GBRYouthChallenge]

The Brits have arrived!!!

website: http://www.gbryouthac.com/#!home/mainPage

facebook: http://www.facebook....RYouthChallenge

[~Stingray~]

Impressive website.

Love you guys' confidence

[nav]

Ahhh, finally - 6 blokes (shame there are no females in the team) with a bit of gumption.

Best of luck!

[nav]

And what says our opinionated friend who wasn't prepared to sacrifice a day of study to attend these trials?


November 21, 2012
Friendly Advice for Red Bull Youth Sailors

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As the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup team selection trials wrapped up, all teams quickly learned communication is a big part of sailing an AC45, and that it pays to get a little help from friends…including a few new friends.
ORACLE TEAM USA coaches and sailors were along for the ride throughout the process, offering instruction and guidance to the six participating teams.
“It was really positive to come out of a tack, get the boat going, look back and ask, ‘Hey, what did you think of that? Was I a little too low out of it, or a little too high out of it?’” said Max Fraser, skipper for the Winged Victory crew. “That instant feedback was really, really helpful. To have someone on the boat was very beneficial – you could do every single maneuver and go back over it and learn from it so your next tack or jibe was better.”
ORACLE TEAM USA sailors Sam Newton, Kyle Langford and Rome Kirby assisted coaches Darren Bundock and Philippe Presti over each two-day training session. From rigging the boat to calling the shots in the fitness test, they provided helpful tips and a boost of confidence for the first-time AC45 sailors.
“For the majority, they had never been on a boat much bigger than a dinghy, so the first day it was a lot of basic stuff – which way to load the winches and how the gears work on the winches,” Langford said. “But, once they got the grasp of that, there wasn’t too much to go through beyond safety, making sure they understood loads and looking after the boat. They did well.”
The final pair of teams completed the trials this week – Winged Victory and Quest for the Cup. Both are vying for one of two spots ORACLE TEAM USA will select to coach through to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup finals in September 2013.
“It was a lot to take in for our team – the learning curve is so steep that you’re getting new information thrown at you all the time,” said Quest for the Cup skipper Judge Ryan. “It was almost better to slow everything down and you really got to process it all. The first day, we were just trying to bang out maneuvers. Then the next day, we took the first 40 minutes kind of slow and figured everything out, then went into the buoy races and I thought did really well.”
Six sailors make up each youth team, one more than America’s Cup World Series teams because the sailors are, on average, 40-50 pounds lighter than a Cup sailor. After an initial training session on the water, they had the opportunity to do practice races around the buoys.
The youth teams are being evaluated on a variety of factors, including boat handling, trimming skills and crew communication. Adding that extra person onboard proved helpful in performing those skills.
“They learned to back each other up – if one person was struggling, it got a lot better when they backed them up,” said Newton. “You really learn to be flexible and do all of the jobs on these boats.”
From this first stage of the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup selection process, two teams will be chosen – one to represent the U.S. and one to represent San Francisco. Both will be coached by ORACLE TEAM USA and spend the next nine months training for the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup finals.
The sailors are ages 19-24 and hail from around the U.S., including several from the Bay Area. The crews are made up of elite sailors – collegiate All-Americans, youth World medalists and members of US Sailing’s Development Team.
“Obviously they all come from dinghy sailing, and they’re all good sailors,” Kirby said of the teams. “But these boats are so fast and so physical. We reminded them to slow it down and do things right, and try to understand how everything works before trying to race. This whole experience has given them a better idea of what it takes to sail at this level – the physical level, the sailing talent, and all the stuff that has to go along with it. There’s a lot more than just the sailing.”
While Kirby and Langford are the same age as many of the participants in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup, their personal experiences in learning to sail an AC45 and knowledge of what it takes to compete resonated.
“They’ve been good to talk to about how they got to where they are today,” Ryan said. “I talked to Kyle and Rome a fair bit about where they started and how they ended up on the team. Rome said you’ve got to really decide what you want to get out of this and where you want to take it. That kind of hit home.”

[~Stingray~]

That OR is giving these candidate USA teams so much attention suggests that they will treat the final two very well too. Really, really cool stuff for these guys.

Bundy mentioned toward the end of a vid earlier this week that they are also trying to find good individuals; had me wondering if he meant for hiring into OR or if he meant that one or both final teams could include individuals selected from across the candidate teams. Or if he meant both possibilities.

This RBYC event could be a real blast to follow - especially once it gets cut to a number of teams that make following easier, since the something like 20x6=120 is a little overwhelming at this point - roughly twice the number of AC72 starters, only about half of which I could easily name right now.

[familysailor]

And what says our opinionated friend who wasn't prepared to sacrifice a day of study to attend these trials?

Who?

[nav]

That OR is giving these candidate USA teams so much attention suggests that they will treat the final two very well too. Really, really cool stuff for these guys.

Bundy mentioned toward the end of a vid earlier this week that they are also trying to find good individuals; had me wondering if he meant for hiring into OR or if he meant that one or both final teams could include individuals selected from across the candidate teams. Or if he meant both possibilities.

This RBYC event could be a real blast to follow - especially once it gets cut to a number of teams that make following easier, since the something like 20x6=120 is a little overwhelming at this point - roughly twice the number of AC72 starters, only about half of which I could easily name right now.

I caught that too and wondered what he meant. I decided he probably meant they were on the lookout for young talent for OTUSA, and they could either approach people later who made the cut in a YAC team or follow up with the best sailors who's teams dipped out. Pretty vague though.

And what says our opinionated friend who wasn't prepared to sacrifice a day of study to attend these trials?

Who?

'Left Hook - back a page. From his description of his experience (more time on big boats that most of the potential US YAC team members it would appear) he would have been a great fit for what they seem to be looking for.

[familysailor]

I thought it might be he, heeheeheehee...snork! Cough!! (sorry, hairball)

[Left Hook]

And what says our opinionated friend who wasn't prepared to sacrifice a day of study to attend these trials?

As the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup team selection trials wrapped up, all teams quickly learned communication is a big part of sailing an AC45, and that it pays to get a little help from friends…including a few new friends.
ORACLE TEAM USA coaches and sailors were along for the ride throughout the process, offering instruction and guidance to the six participating teams.
“It was really positive to come out of a tack, get the boat going, look back and ask, ‘Hey, what did you think of that? Was I a little too low out of it, or a little too high out of it?’” said Max Fraser, skipper for the Winged Victory crew. “That instant feedback was really, really helpful. To have someone on the boat was very beneficial – you could do every single maneuver and go back over it and learn from it so your next tack or jibe was better.”
ORACLE TEAM USA sailors Sam Newton, Kyle Langford and Rome Kirby assisted coaches Darren Bundock and Philippe Presti over each two-day training session. From rigging the boat to calling the shots in the fitness test, they provided helpful tips and a boost of confidence for the first-time AC45 sailors.
“For the majority, they had never been on a boat much bigger than a dinghy, so the first day it was a lot of basic stuff – which way to load the winches and how the gears work on the winches,” Langford said. “But, once they got the grasp of that, there wasn’t too much to go through beyond safety, making sure they understood loads and looking after the boat. They did well.”
The final pair of teams completed the trials this week – Winged Victory and Quest for the Cup. Both are vying for one of two spots ORACLE TEAM USA will select to coach through to the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup finals in September 2013.
“It was a lot to take in for our team – the learning curve is so steep that you’re getting new information thrown at you all the time,” said Quest for the Cup skipper Judge Ryan. “It was almost better to slow everything down and you really got to process it all. The first day, we were just trying to bang out maneuvers. Then the next day, we took the first 40 minutes kind of slow and figured everything out, then went into the buoy races and I thought did really well.”
Six sailors make up each youth team, one more than America’s Cup World Series teams because the sailors are, on average, 40-50 pounds lighter than a Cup sailor. After an initial training session on the water, they had the opportunity to do practice races around the buoys.
The youth teams are being evaluated on a variety of factors, including boat handling, trimming skills and crew communication. Adding that extra person onboard proved helpful in performing those skills.
“They learned to back each other up – if one person was struggling, it got a lot better when they backed them up,” said Newton. “You really learn to be flexible and do all of the jobs on these boats.”
From this first stage of the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup selection process, two teams will be chosen – one to represent the U.S. and one to represent San Francisco. Both will be coached by ORACLE TEAM USA and spend the next nine months training for the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup finals.
The sailors are ages 19-24 and hail from around the U.S., including several from the Bay Area. The crews are made up of elite sailors – collegiate All-Americans, youth World medalists and members of US Sailing’s Development Team.
“Obviously they all come from dinghy sailing, and they’re all good sailors,” Kirby said of the teams. “But these boats are so fast and so physical. We reminded them to slow it down and do things right, and try to understand how everything works before trying to race. This whole experience has given them a better idea of what it takes to sail at this level – the physical level, the sailing talent, and all the stuff that has to go along with it. There’s a lot more than just the sailing.”
While Kirby and Langford are the same age as many of the participants in the Red Bull Youth America’s Cup, their personal experiences in learning to sail an AC45 and knowledge of what it takes to compete resonated.
“They’ve been good to talk to about how they got to where they are today,” Ryan said. “I talked to Kyle and Rome a fair bit about where they started and how they ended up on the team. Rome said you’ve got to really decide what you want to get out of this and where you want to take it. That kind of hit home.”

What says I? That I can't believe there were people (albeit, not all) allowed to step up into these platforms without the knowledge of how to load a freaking winch or work through the gearing!!!!!! Ho-lee-cow. First time they get their hands on a 3 speed primary with overdrive boxes their heads will explode.

It's a shame too that the vast majority of these teams are all bowfolk - very few trimmers among them.

And attending the trials wouldn't be the issue, the issue would be the 9 months of training in the middle of an incredibly important semester of study. Have to work hard to play hard.

[kolga123]

The new British Youth AC entry
http://www.gbryouthac.com/

[PeterHuston]

The new British Youth AC entry
http://www.gbryouthac.com/

How come these guys can pull this together, but Ainslie couldn't?

[familysailor]

Old news
Aren't these the same guys as shown in post 467?

"Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:38 PM
The Brits have arrived!!!

website: http://www.gbryoutha...#!home/mainPage

facebook: http://www.facebook....RYouthChallenge "

[~Stingray~]

Fresh upload

[RParentsail]

Can it really be considered a youth cup if a large amount of the sailors are over 18?

[~Stingray~]

Fresh upload

From the USA Team selections at

http://oracle-team-u...th-americas-cup


..
TEAM AMERICA RACING
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Charlie Buckingham, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., Georgetown University (graduated)
Jacob La Dow, 19, San Diego, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Graham Landy, 19, Virginia Beach, Va., Yale University
Jake Reynolds, 19, San Diego, Calif., College of Charleston
Nevin Snow, 19, San Diego, Calif., Georgetown University
John Wallace, 20, St. Petersburg, Fla., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Matthew Whitehead, 19, Tampa, Fla., University of South Florida

AMERICAN YOUTH SAILING FORCE
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Ian Andrewes, 22, Seattle, Wash., Pacific Maritime Institute (graduated)
David Liebenberg, 21, San Francisco, Calif., Tufts University
Michael Menninger, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Tomas Pastalka, 22, Tiburon, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Matt Pistay, 22, Zenda, Wis.
Michael Radziejowski, 21, Alameda, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Evan Sjostedt, 19, Long Beach, Calif., Seattle University

..

[sunseeker]

Fresh upload

From the USA Team selections at

http://oracle-team-u...th-americas-cup


..
TEAM AMERICA RACING
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Charlie Buckingham, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., Georgetown University (graduated)
Jacob La Dow, 19, San Diego, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Graham Landy, 19, Virginia Beach, Va., Yale University
Jake Reynolds, 19, San Diego, Calif., College of Charleston
Nevin Snow, 19, San Diego, Calif., Georgetown University
John Wallace, 20, St. Petersburg, Fla., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Matthew Whitehead, 19, Tampa, Fla., University of South Florida

AMERICAN YOUTH SAILING FORCE
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Ian Andrewes, 22, Seattle, Wash., Pacific Maritime Institute (graduated)
David Liebenberg, 21, San Francisco, Calif., Tufts University
Michael Menninger, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Tomas Pastalka, 22, Tiburon, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Matt Pistay, 22, Zenda, Wis.
Michael Radziejowski, 21, Alameda, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Evan Sjostedt, 19, Long Beach, Calif., Seattle University

..

Old man Farnsworth will be thrilled Charlie is going to carry the NHYC back to the Cup. Been 32 years since NHYC had anyone in the AC since Durgan did tactics for DC. The Beagle team in '87 doesn't count. NHYC does not acknowledge failure.

[maxmini]

Can it really be considered a youth cup if a large amount of the sailors are over 18?

The average age will be 20+

[Monster Mash]

Where are the girls?

[familysailor]

Fresh upload

From the USA Team selections at

http://oracle-team-u...th-americas-cup


..
TEAM AMERICA RACING
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Charlie Buckingham, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., Georgetown University (graduated)
Jacob La Dow, 19, San Diego, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Graham Landy, 19, Virginia Beach, Va., Yale University
Jake Reynolds, 19, San Diego, Calif., College of Charleston
Nevin Snow, 19, San Diego, Calif., Georgetown University
John Wallace, 20, St. Petersburg, Fla., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Matthew Whitehead, 19, Tampa, Fla., University of South Florida

AMERICAN YOUTH SAILING FORCE
Name, Age, Hometown, University
Ian Andrewes, 22, Seattle, Wash., Pacific Maritime Institute (graduated)
David Liebenberg, 21, San Francisco, Calif., Tufts University
Michael Menninger, 23, Newport Beach, Calif., St. Mary’s College of Maryland
Tomas Pastalka, 22, Tiburon, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Matt Pistay, 22, Zenda, Wis.
Michael Radziejowski, 21, Alameda, Calif., UC Santa Cruz
Evan Sjostedt, 19, Long Beach, Calif., Seattle University

..

Great News!
Official Force Fan!
(Cuz I know some of the kids.)

[Left Hook]

So if I'm reading that OR Press release right it says that their two teams don't need to participate in the February session? Sounds a bit different from what we heard a month ago.

[powdermonkey]

The two selected teams don't have to go in Feb but the others that didn't get in may go for the one remaining US spot (and one remaining San Fran spot?). It says US teams make in through to the finals - is that the final round of trials in Feb?

[nav]

Congratulations to American Youth Sailing Force and Team America Racing.
I'm sure all those who took part in the trial came away with new insight into the professional end of their sport.

P.Monkey.....these teams become the 2 OTUSA affiliated teams and have access to their boats, just as one team from NZ will be affiliated with ETNZ and will train on their AC45. All YAC teams affiliated with an existing AC45 get to race in the so called 'finals' - the September RB-YAC regatta.

Youth teams that wish to compete but are not affiliated with an ACWS team (or any other AC45) have to turn up for the February selection, to fight for one of the remaining places in the 'finals'. Alles klar?

So if I'm reading that OR Press release right it says that their two teams don't need to participate in the February session? Sounds a bit different from what we heard a month ago.

So even with all that studying - your reading comprehension is still low? Which means you made a decision about participation without knowing what was going on - bodes well for handling your future millions??

[Left Hook]

So if I'm reading that OR Press release right it says that their two teams don't need to participate in the February session? Sounds a bit different from what we heard a month ago.

So even with all that studying - your reading comprehension is still low? Which means you made a decision about participation without knowing what was going on - bodes well for handling your future millions??

Or perhaps it was never publicly laid out that the teams who made it in November wouldn't be required to go in February.

By the way, numerous members of the groups who went out for the OR trials and didn't make it are saying that they won't go on and miss school in February to try and compete for the last spot. Seems like some smart, young folks did the same cost/benefit analysis and came to the same conclusion I did.


When I have my millions, nav, I will fly you out (all expenses paid) to be race crew on my team at a regatta just so that you can put your hard work into winning a trophy that I then get to put my name on

[dogwatch]

The Brits have arrived!!!

website: http://www.gbryoutha...#!home/mainPage

There's a curious lack of any information on a sponsor. Maybe they've found someone wealthy and averse to publicity. Anyway, I wish them well.

[~Stingray~]

from NZ Olympic 49er medalists Peter Burling and Blair Tuke update
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We’re both keen to compete in the 'Red Bull Youth America's Cup' in AC45 wing sailed cats next September in San Fran – a selection of NZ Under 25 sailors has just started training in an Extreme 40 catamaran. Pete’s experience at helming for Team Korea on the AC45 is a real bonus.
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[nav]

So if I'm reading that OR Press release right it says that their two teams don't need to participate in the February session? Sounds a bit different from what we heard a month ago.

So even with all that studying - your reading comprehension is still low? Which means you made a decision about participation without knowing what was going on - bodes well for handling your future millions??

Or perhaps it was never publicly laid out that the teams who made it in November wouldn't be required to go in February.

By the way, numerous members of the groups who went out for the OR trials and didn't make it are saying that they won't go on and miss school in February to try and compete for the last spot. Seems like some smart, young folks did the same cost/benefit analysis and came to the same conclusion I did.


When I have my millions, nav, I will fly you out (all expenses paid) to be race crew on my team at a regatta just so that you can put your hard work into winning a trophy that I then get to put my name on

Shall I pencil that in then, say 2060, does that give you long enough to save up from your gardening wages - @$1.50 an hour I think you said? No, hang on you said that's all boat bums like these guys could expect to get out of life - you were right, looks miserable http://www.sail-worl...e-update/104256

But just to be clear - there are at least 4 categories of potential YAC sailors in the US:

1/ the 14 who tried out and have been accepted
2/ the sailors who tried out, were not accepted and will try again in February
3/ the sailors who tried out, were not accepted and will not try again
4/ and those who just thought about it - but did nothing.....

And despite your claim - a bit more study will show you that four does not equal three....

[Rennmaus]

Whats the list of teams everyone knows about?

So far I have :-

USA - Team Force
USA - Quest for the Cup http://www.facebook....?ref=ts&fref=ts
France - http://www.facebook....FrenchYouthTeam
Denmark - Youth Vikings http://www.facebook....Vikings?fref=ts
Sweden - Artimis
NZ - ETNZ
Australia - http://www.facebook....casCupChallenge
Argentina - http://www.facebook....inaTeam?fref=ts
Virgin Islands -
The Netherlands - Flying Dutchies

who am I missing?

Also who's doing what training?

I've got so far


Team Force - small cats
Quest for the Cup - small cats and F40 (is the boat theirs or are thy chartering it?)
France - small cats
Denmark - small cats
Sweden - ?
NZ - ?
Australia - ?
Argentina - Small Cats?
Virgin Islands - ?
FLying Dutchies - they chartered an Extreme40 once and small cats?

Can anyone add to that?

Apparently the Germans (Pearl Harbor anyone???).
http://www.sailing-team-germany.de/allgemein/nachwuchs-greift-nach-youth-americas-cup/
Bit embarrassing, but I missed them too the whole time.

[nav]

Whats the list of teams everyone knows about?

So far I have :-

USA - Team Force
USA - Quest for the Cup http://www.facebook....?ref=ts&fref=ts
France - http://www.facebook....FrenchYouthTeam
Denmark - Youth Vikings http://www.facebook....Vikings?fref=ts
Sweden - Artimis
NZ - ETNZ
Australia - http://www.facebook....casCupChallenge
Argentina - http://www.facebook....inaTeam?fref=ts
Virgin Islands -
The Netherlands - Flying Dutchies

who am I missing?

Also who's doing what training?

I've got so far


Team Force - small cats
Quest for the Cup - small cats and F40 (is the boat theirs or are thy chartering it?)
France - small cats
Denmark - small cats
Sweden - ?
NZ - ?
Australia - ?
Argentina - Small Cats?
Virgin Islands - ?
FLying Dutchies - they chartered an Extreme40 once and small cats?

Can anyone add to that?

Apparently the Germans (Pearl Harbor anyone???).
http://www.sailing-t...h-americas-cup/
Bit embarrassing, but I missed them too the whole time.

Bei der Ausscheidungsserie vom 09. bis zum 24. Februar 2013 vor San Francisco treten 16 Teams auf den Renn-Katamaranen des Typs „AC45“ gegeneinander an.


Good news for the weekend: The team of STG and Norddeutscher Regatta Verein was chosen to participate in the trials for the first "Red Bull Youth America's Cup" in February in San Francisco!!! Now, the guys only need to perform good ;-)


Chosen to participate? 16 Teams?

There has been no announcement of the teams accepted for February yet right? Perhaps the selectors are just saying 'You're in' (or 'Sorry you're not ready for this time') as they meet each team and will announce the full list once they are done with their visits?

Viel Glück STG!

[~Stingray~]

Gtran of Rennmaus's link

http://translate.goo...h-americas-cup/

[Rennmaus]

Gtran of Rennmaus's link

http://translate.goo...h-americas-cup/

Hilarious. GTran German -> English is a complete no-no, often even extremely embarrassing (n'est-ce pas, HHN92?).

Example from above:
""We are animals that we were selected as the German team for the elimination series in February."

[~Stingray~]

Conjures up imagery of rennmausens!

[Willy Clark]

Some news from Mikey and AYSF for those who are interested -

http://clarksail.com...-his-own-words/

Best,
Willy

[~Stingray~]

Willy, How big a commitment is this going to be for the team?

[foredeckhell]

Stingray, its going to be a huge commitment for the team. We all feel strongly about this, and we are going to be training everyday if possible, whether its physical training or sailing or both. You only get this opportunity once, and no matter what people may say, sailing for us is our life, and we all want to do our best.

cheers
Mikey Radziejowski
AYSF