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[UNTAMED]

Hi All
All you Sydney NSW Sportsboats, Want to let you know that Racing on Botany Bay for the 2012-13 season will be available via the Georges River 16' Skiff Club. The calender will be 1 weekend per month Saturday and Sunday races. The new Boat ramp at Botany which is patrolled 24/7 by Ports Authority Security puts a hole new deal on Trailer Security. For the latest news on this set up check the following website. http://www.trailersa....php?f=2&t=8369 If you wish to know any details or have any Questions contact johnparkes@bigpond.com .
This could be the best thing for Sportsboats in Sydney in years. The GRSC is a licensed club with great Facilities for the family. Costs will be very Competitive, all to be revealed in the coming weeks.
untamed

[UNTAMED]

Hi All
Well the dates have been agreed for racing, and/or cruising, from Georges River 16' Skiff Club on Botany Bay. They are as follows.
October 27 & 28, November 17 & 18, December 8 & 9 2012, January 19 & 20, Febuary 16 &17, March 16 & 17 2013.
Hope the Sydney Sportsboats and T/S's can support this initiative. All looking good. Fees and costs will be sorted shortly and will be competitive with the current market.
If you have any questions. Please feel free to ask
Untamed

[frayedsheet]

Hi All
Well the dates have been agreed for racing, and/or cruising, from Georges River 16' Skiff Club on Botany Bay. They are as follows.
October 27 & 28, November 17 & 18, December 8 & 9 2012, January 19 & 20, Febuary 16 &17, March 16 & 17 2013.
Hope the Sydney Sportsboats and T/S's can support this initiative. All looking good. Fees and costs will be sorted shortly and will be competitive with the current market.
If you have any questions. Please feel free to ask
Untamed

Any details as to what the actual racing is planned to consist of? And handicapping?

And while its good to have dates locked in nice and early, many Sports Boats in Sydney have for years entered the SASC's "Super 30" division short series run every second Saturday. Their calendar isn't out yet however so the "on" and "off" weekends aren't yet known... hopefully some of your weekends will fit in.

[UNTAMED]

Hi Frayedsheet and Others
Some courses will be fixed mark courses on Botany Bay. We will have several round the buoys races as well. Some courses will be weather dependant. Handicapping will be Personal Handicapping for the first season Starting with CBH and making personal adjustments on a tried and successful system. Dates for the first season will be set with arrangements with the club on their Calender which involves Skiff, Lasers and sail Sydney Regattas, Remembering this will be the inaugural year. In Trailables and Sportsboats there will be date clashes, but we will endeavour where possible to keep all happy. I don't know of Sportsboats running out of SASC but seeing you have bought it to our attention we will check things out. Just send an email to the address stated previously and we will keep you Personally up to date, as well as the site, with all the news.
Happy sailing Untamed

[taste machine]

Hi Frayedsheet and Others
Some courses will be fixed mark courses on Botany Bay. We will have several round the buoys races as well. Some courses will be weather dependant. Handicapping will be Personal Handicapping for the first season Starting with CBH and making personal adjustments on a tried and successful system. Dates for the first season will be set with arrangements with the club on their Calender which involves Skiff, Lasers and sail Sydney Regattas, Remembering this will be the inaugural year. In Trailables and Sportsboats there will be date clashes, but we will endeavour where possible to keep all happy. I don't know of Sportsboats running out of SASC but seeing you have bought it to our attention we will check things out. Just send an email to the address stated previously and we will keep you Personally up to date, as well as the site, with all the news.
Happy sailing Untamed

Untamed,

I'm the fleet cap for the SASC Super30 fleet and we have our first draft of season 2012/2013 season to hand.
Always good to try and mesh the various clubs/events across Sydney for S30s and SMS rated sporties.

With the dates you've highlighted I will endeavour to minimise conflicts so folks can do as much (varied) racing as they can.

Give me a call on 0417 48 11 78 if I can assist with co-ordination
Cheers Chris

[UNTAMED]

HI Chris
Sorry for the slow reply. Work is on lately. Many thanks for the assistance you have given, will be in touch. Just going through the final bits and pieces as far as costs are concerned and should be sorted in the next week or so.
Many thanks Untamed
1 Question, How come Sportsboats are in the Super 30 Catagory.

[UNTAMED]

Hi All Well the fees have been sorted and works out as follows Registered Boat owner $200.00 Club membership 10.00 Y. A. (If Applicable) 75.00 Crew Club Membership $10.00 Y. A. (If Applicable) 75.00 Casual Entry $20,00 These fees include all sailing fees for the season. The fees are not Quite what we were hoping for but are still very Competetive. The crew fees are nearly as good as it gets. There has also been 1 date change which is Febuary which is now back a week to the 23rd & 24th Febuary 2013. October 27th & 28th 2012 November 17th & 18th 2012 December 8th & 9th 2012 January 19th & 20th 2013 Febuary 23rd & 24th 2013 March 16th & 17th 2013 If you have any further queries please don't hesitate in asking Happy SailingJohn Parkes

[furcoat]

Starting with CBH and making personal adjustments on a tried and successful system.

You sure? Got any example sportsboat CBH ratings?

[Doc.]

Starting with CBH and making personal adjustments on a tried and successful system.

You sure? Got any example sportsboat CBH ratings?

Untamed, CBH not an option. Tried & Failed

[XS-NRG]

Great to see that Botany Bay is an option now for sailing a sports boat in Sydney. Its one of the best and under utilized waterways in NSW. Will there be any SB regattas held there?

[UNTAMED]

Hi Guys
As stated previously it will be a Personal Handicap System. The CBH is only the starting point. If you have an SMS or other recognised rated handicap. It will be ok for the starting point. It will be reset after the first race anyway.
As for Sportsboat Regattas, that will depend on how much of a success the first season becomes. The GRSC has hosted many highly successful National, State and Weekend Regattas.
We have been crying out for a Sydney Club to host Trailables and Sportsboats for years. Here is the chance to go ahead and do something about it. Get behind this initiative and I am sure there will be many great Regattas and club events in the future. Don't support it and it could be death nell for a club to host Trailables and Sportsboats as a self standing class. And as Newbie stated Botany Bay is one of the best sailing waters to race on, on the NSW coast.
Happy Sailing
Untamed

[Evo]

Hi Guys
As stated previously it will be a Personal Handicap System. The CBH is only the starting point. If you have an SMS or other recognised rated handicap. It will be ok for the starting point. It will be reset after the first race anyway.
As for Sportsboat Regattas, that will depend on how much of a success the first season becomes. The GRSC has hosted many highly successful National, State and Weekend Regattas.
We have been crying out for a Sydney Club to host Trailables and Sportsboats for years. Here is the chance to go ahead and do something about it. Get behind this initiative and I am sure there will be many great Regattas and club events in the future. Don't support it and it could be death nell for a club to host Trailables and Sportsboats as a self standing class. And as Newbie stated Botany Bay is one of the best sailing waters to race on, on the NSW coast.
Happy Sailing
Untamed

do what works for ya bloke. Great effort sir.

[Turkey Slapper]

Ahhhhhhh CBH!

The good old days!

[Evo]

Ahhhhhhh CBH!

The good old days!

This is a great idea and anything that opens up BBay for sporties works TS. Rest comes later at a guess? Nothing better in a howling Southerly or a black NE'er. Underutilised is an understatement. Still need a good ob for the channel unless you're sure.

great place to sail. ramp is the issue....how does that work these days?

[huey 2]

anyone building sportsboats in sydney or want to build?

[UNTAMED]

Hi Guys
There are 3 ramps you can use. Go and have a look at the new ramp on Foreshore Drive at Botany. ( Good day out), replaces the old Pehren rd ramp. 3 lanes, fully pontooned, 24/7 Security, the best in Sydney. Kogarah Bay S. C. on the Princess Hwy at Blakehurst is currently being upgraded. Went there last week and the Ramp looks good. Old 3 ramps were unusable. The 3rd ramp is at Hawkesbury Res (hole in the wall) at Sylvania. Need to do a check at low tide. There are also ramps at Kurnel and Tom Uglys Bridge. Security at Tom Uglys could be a bit suss. Check these 2 ramps before using.
Don't worry about Handicaps It is PERSONAL HANDICAP, gives the novice a chance unlike all the other systems. No system is perfect but with mixed fleets this is definately the best option.
Currently working out courses there has been a proposal (by another yacht club) for some fixed marks to be put in Botany Bay. Will keep this under revue for now. Any queries just ask
Happy Sailing
Untamed

[akasideshow]

Hi Guys
There are 3 ramps you can use. Go and have a look at the new ramp on Foreshore Drive at Botany. ( Good day out), replaces the old Pehren rd ramp. 3 lanes, fully pontooned, 24/7 Security, the best in Sydney. Kogarah Bay S. C. on the Princess Hwy at Blakehurst is currently being upgraded. Went there last week and the Ramp looks good. Old 3 ramps were unusable. The 3rd ramp is at Hawkesbury Res (hole in the wall) at Sylvania. Need to do a check at low tide. There are also ramps at Kurnel and Tom Uglys Bridge. Security at Tom Uglys could be a bit suss. Check these 2 ramps before using.
Don't worry about Handicaps It is PERSONAL HANDICAP, gives the novice a chance unlike all the other systems. No system is perfect but with mixed fleets this is definately the best option.
Currently working out courses there has been a proposal (by another yacht club) for some fixed marks to be put in Botany Bay. Will keep this under revue for now. Any queries just ask
Happy Sailing
Untamed

Kyeemagh ramp just inside the cooks river entrance is close by and is seldom busy, and the Taren Point side of the Captain Cook Bridge is also an option but no parking available
Kogarah Bay Sailing Club I would definitely give a miss, its way too shallow at low tide, too muddy to see the bottom and a real prick trying to make the turn off the highway to get down the entrance
Foreshore Drive option is a great facility but a fair hike from GRSC for the prizegiving. Slip launching can be done at GRSC with the tractor and plenty of parking there, that's how I'd do it.

[akasideshow]

Hi Guys
There are 3 ramps you can use. Go and have a look at the new ramp on Foreshore Drive at Botany. ( Good day out), replaces the old Pehren rd ramp. 3 lanes, fully pontooned, 24/7 Security, the best in Sydney. Kogarah Bay S. C. on the Princess Hwy at Blakehurst is currently being upgraded. Went there last week and the Ramp looks good. Old 3 ramps were unusable. The 3rd ramp is at Hawkesbury Res (hole in the wall) at Sylvania. Need to do a check at low tide. There are also ramps at Kurnel and Tom Uglys Bridge. Security at Tom Uglys could be a bit suss. Check these 2 ramps before using.
Don't worry about Handicaps It is PERSONAL HANDICAP, gives the novice a chance unlike all the other systems. No system is perfect but with mixed fleets this is definately the best option.
Currently working out courses there has been a proposal (by another yacht club) for some fixed marks to be put in Botany Bay. Will keep this under revue for now. Any queries just ask
Happy Sailing
Untamed

Kyeemagh ramp just inside the cooks river entrance is close by and is seldom busy, and the Taren Point side of the Captain Cook Bridge is also an option but no parking available
Kogarah Bay Sailing Club I would definitely give a miss, its way too shallow at low tide, too muddy to see the bottom and a real prick trying to make the turn off the highway to get down the entrance
Foreshore Drive option is a great facility but a fair hike from GRSC for the prizegiving. Slip launching can be done at GRSC with the tractor and plenty of parking there, that's how I'd do it.

Overnight bething is available at SGMBC as well if people want to sail down or keep the boat in overnight

[Bill E Goat]

And you can Party in the Shire on Sat night

[UNTAMED]

Hi Guys
Just a few comments. Cooks River ramp, I don't think you can access Botany Bay with your mast up. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Kogarah Bay S. C. ramps have improved and the one near the club should be ok for bigger boats where as before there was a big drop off at the end. The other 2 are, as said, no good. There is also a new jetty 10 metres away which can be used. Getting in and out from the hwy can be a little tricky at times but with a bit of patience is ok.
St G MBC is definitely the place to be if the weather looks a bit suss to stay overnight. As far as rigging there, it may be a problem with the new car park being built plus you must be a member.
As for the Partying, the GRSC is 40 mts from the boat if your staying overnight. Although some have trouble getting 40mts after a good night on the turps
untamed

[Evo]

And you can Party in the Shire on Sat night

where?

onya untamed...what about those docks at StGMBC? Could the SB's use them for overnight??

[akasideshow]

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Hi Guys
Just a few comments. Cooks River ramp, I don't think you can access Botany Bay with your mast up. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Kogarah Bay S. C. ramps have improved and the one near the club should be ok for bigger boats where as before there was a big drop off at the end. The other 2 are, as said, no good. There is also a new jetty 10 metres away which can be used. Getting in and out from the hwy can be a little tricky at times but with a bit of patience is ok.
St G MBC is definitely the place to be if the weather looks a bit suss to stay overnight. As far as rigging there, it may be a problem with the new car park being built plus you must be a member.
As for the Partying, the GRSC is 40 mts from the boat if your staying overnight. Although some have trouble getting 40mts after a good night on h maststhe turps
untamed

True that about the kyeemagh ramp, my bad I'm used to launching coach boats there not things with masts, I'm sure an arrangement can be made with the StGMBC. I'll ask the aquatic club guys when I next see them, if there's no powerboat race on I can't imagine they would have a problem. The president of the club is Ces Quilky at the moment so he might be helpful to some sailors and the car park was supposed to be finished a week ago so it can't be too far off.Any thoughts on launching with the GRSC tractor? It would mean that those who have a few rums on the water wouldn't have to drive anywhereMight be a bit dodgy in a big southerly, and you would need to wind the keel up while underway or on a pick but would make for a lot less mucking around

[UNTAMED]

G'Day
The GRSC tractor would not be an option. The club has several moorings and an old rubber ducky we are sorting at the moment. The moorings have the club starters boats but Rafting up is being negotiated. The STGMBC costs about $30 a night to stay and should not be a problem if prebooked. The GRSC has a courtesy bus.
Untamed

[Evo]

G'Day
The GRSC tractor would not be an option. The club has several moorings and an old rubber ducky we are sorting at the moment. The moorings have the club starters boats but Rafting up is being negotiated. The STGMBC costs about $30 a night to stay and should not be a problem if prebooked. The GRSC has a courtesy bus.
Untamed

Untamed...Mooring in front of St. G?? If so wouldn't that be a bit hazardous in a Southerly....Also how much water is under those moorings at low tide?? The Motor Boat Club sounds the sensible option imo. Even the Southern finger in a howling S Buster isn't too bad....just a bit bumpy.

Also would the racing be held on the Bay itself...Start to finish....or are you envisaging Club starts like the skiffs?

[UNTAMED]

HI Guys
The southerly could be a concern. it's like everything, a bit of forward planning will be necesary. The STGMBC option will be the best for sportsboats if there is a southerly around. We are currently working out an option to use the Club Bus. I will be checking the depth under the moorings hopefully this week some time. The racing start and finish will vary between the club and the Bay. The Bay starts will be just to the north of the Towra Pt Channel markers. The club joining forms are going through their final make up so should be able to present them shortly. Sorry for the slow reply gents.
Untamed

[Evo]

standing by

Club starts may be a hazard. btw...a Melges 32 goes under the bridge without it's wand at 7/8 full tide.

[UNTAMED]

Hi All
The joining forms etc have been sorted. The fees are listed on the joining forms. The only difference to what has been put forward previously is that 2 members are required to join due to a minimum of 2 crew stated in the rule book. This will include club membership and Y A Fees inclusive in the $50. I will now attempt to put the link in. If it fails, Just go to the GRSC Website in the sailing section. any queries, just ask. they will be answered, eventually,
Untamed

[UNTAMED]

Hi Guys
Guess what, I think it failed. How unusual. If you can't get to the GRSC Website just send me an email and I'll send it Personally. johnparkes@bigpond.com
Going to do a depth survey probably Friday or Sat.
Can't see anyone having trouble getting under Taren Point Bridge to get to STGMBC.
There is 1 public mooring outside GRSC.
UNTAMED

[UNTAMED]

Hi All
Checked out the depth in front of GRSC today. It was low tide, there was 4 mts of shallow water then a sharp drop off to 2.5 mts over the next 2 mts. There is an area of approx 20 mts between the high and low water marks. There is 2.5 mts plus under the moored club boats at low tide which are about 10mts from shore at low tide.
Untamed

[akasideshow]

hi untamed
Had a chat with Ces last night, He's only too happy to help out, I didn't realise but the StGMBC has been recently involved with the dragon association and some of their events. And they are keen to have more sailors use their facilities.
He said there might be an issue if there is 15 extra trailers in the car park, but if room gets tight they can always be street parked or left at StGSC which is about 1 k away. he is happy to provide marina space, and there's a park next to the marina for laying out sails etc. Their are two mini buses available for ferrying people to GRSC and GRSC has at least one also.
So Ces said to put together a basic proposal, and he would make it happen for you, as for cost, lets just say its not about the money. I'm sure it will be pretty painless. cequilky@gmail.com
For those who need to use a crane for slipping BBYC is very close to StGMBC, but you will need to be careful with depths, there are quite a few "lost" mooring blocks near BBYC, and believe me you don't want to find one with your keel when the tide is out. Colin Cole is the guy to speak to down there as he has taken over the boatyard down there.

the next question is have you sorted out an ro boat?, if not I can probably help you there also. I think it would be preferable to club starts, and its always handy to have something that can tow people home if they get in strife.
Put down a tentative +2 for boats from me and a mate

[twist & depth]

Regarding St George Motor Boat Club, its great to hear that Ces is willing to help out, when he is on your side the problems disappear.

The last time that trailerables were using the club launching facilities, there was a perception amongst the die hard powerboat members that the "yachties" were just using the place up. As I remember it, the beefs were about boats being rigged in the middle of areas used to reverse in, taking up the trailer spots, and what was seen as general discourtesy by yachty interlopers. The pirates.

My view was that there was a little bit of thoughtlessness, but nothing that a smile and a chat wouldn't have sorted out in two ticks. If you organise the basic ground rules with Ces , then you'll nip the naysayers in the bud. The motor boat club is the best boating facility in the area, and a good working relationship will bring benefits to both the club and the sailing community. The BBYC has been working hard at fostering the relationship, and Colin Cole and Grant McKellar, who run the yard there now, are great blokes with a real interest in growing the sport. Good Luck with it.

BTW, you must be a member, with a club trailer badge, to launch. I think its about 30 bucks.

[akasideshow]

Regarding St George Motor Boat Club, its great to hear that Ces is willing to help out, when he is on your side the problems disappear.

The last time that trailerables were using the club launching facilities, there was a perception amongst the die hard powerboat members that the "yachties" were just using the place up. As I remember it, the beefs were about boats being rigged in the middle of areas used to reverse in, taking up the trailer spots, and what was seen as general discourtesy by yachty interlopers. The pirates.

My view was that there was a little bit of thoughtlessness, but nothing that a smile and a chat wouldn't have sorted out in two ticks. If you organise the basic ground rules with Ces , then you'll nip the naysayers in the bud. The motor boat club is the best boating facility in the area, and a good working relationship will bring benefits to both the club and the sailing community. The BBYC has been working hard at fostering the relationship, and Colin Cole and Grant McKellar, who run the yard there now, are great blokes with a real interest in growing the sport. Good Luck with it.

BTW, you must be a member, with a club trailer badge, to launch. I think its about 30 bucks.

This can be avoided if the event organizers contact Ces and work out a deal for the event, this could include berthing and an allocation of space for rigging and trailers, possibly coordination of curtosey buses to grsc

[UNTAMED]

Hi Guys and Girls
Sorry for not updating but have been cruising the Whitsundays. Racing starts on the 27th. All the paperwork is on the GRSC website. Just turn up with the paperwork on Sat 27th if you wish to do it that way, the rest can be sorted later. We are currently finalising courses. If you wish to be kept up to date and view the pilot copy of the Courses just fire an email to johnparkes@bigpond.com. Everything is looking good for the big Day. If you wish to rig at the STGMBC that's fine but don't forget you must be a member.
Untamed

[Pube]

Havent read anything yet about the racing last weekend. Any news?? I am hoping this would take off as I would like to get involved when my boat is finished!

[UNTAMED]

Hi Pube
Well it's been a very slow start. so slow that noone has turned up as yet. It's been a 1 boat fleet which is very dissapointing. The weather has not been kind. We are perservering at this stage and hopeful things will improve. Our next race will be December 8 & 9. hope the boat will be ready.
Untamed

[UNTAMED]

G'Day All
Next Race weekend is 19th & 20th Jan 2013.
UNTAMED

[ArchieP]

I just love events like this. Imagine racing at 75km per hour through Sydney Harbour, under the bridge, past the Sydney Opera House and the Australian Navy Fleet, before skimming around Fort Denison and the Prime Minister's Sydney residence. Sit back and hang on while the full power of the Jet is unleashed and put through its paces of 270-degree spins, wild fish tails and awesome power brake stops.


During the adventure there is a continual mix of music that keeps the jet boats rockin'.

[UNTAMED]

U shore you have the right page there Archie