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#101 eric e

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:01 AM

starting to see why farr

said to let her sink

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:48 AM

Show me the evidence Gavin............

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:07 AM

Sounds like the low is weakening. Reports of 10 metre seas off NSW coast today. Hope it settles by the time it reaches Norfolk Is.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:26 AM

Show me the evidence Gavin............


after the rumsquall with muttley there wont be any evidence

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:29 AM

from Akatea -

all well and the boat is holding up great and it is testament to the very good race prep that was done. There has been a fair bit of sea-sickness on board and yesterday they had 66 knots of wind over the deck with heavy seas. The wind never got under 38 knots for 24 hours but now they have 20 knots of breeze from a good point of sail. They have been picking the shifts and gaining 5 miles on Kia Kaha each time. Kia Kaha is one of the main rivals on IRC handicap. Things are getting better and they are toughing it out with a few sea-sick pills.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:34 AM

NZ Update: Tough day in the office for Kia Kaha



News just in is that Chris Hornell's TP52 Kia Kaha had a tough day on the race course but are still making their way to Noumea.

They recorded 55 knots and were forced to drop the mainsail as it ripped pretty badly in the early hours of the morning. It's now fixed (after some handy craft work) and it's finally up again.

Unfortunately three of the crew are sea sick but otherwise everyone is in good spirits.

Manuela, their shore crew manager, brought a smile to their faces after she shared the news that the Aussie's were beaten by the Scots in the rugby last night.

They are keen to make to Noumea to watch the All Blacks play on Saturday night!

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:39 AM

Not sure if that has happened. Hope the big fulla wasn't the man to hit the wave!


Show me the evidence Gavin............


after the rumsquall with muttley there wont be any evidence



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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:12 AM

Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?




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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:27 AM

duty free ?

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 11:38 AM


Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?



The local Distillery, Norfolk Island Liquors P/L, is found on Cascade Road and produces various liqueurs and spirits. Free sampling is available Monday,Tuesday,Thursday and Friday from 2.00pm - 5.00pm Also on the same premises is Cascade Soft Drinks, who manufacture produce a range of traditional soft drinks with old fashioned flavours, ranging from orange and lime flavours to pineapple and plum cola varieties.
There is also a Brewery on Norfolk Island which is located opposite the International Airport, where award winning beers are produced in a traditional way.
Although there is a 'Winery' on the island, it is currently importing wines from New South Wales under the 'Two Chimney's wine'label whilst it is developing its vines for manufacture.




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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:15 PM


Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?


They may need it.

Things must be getting serious on Icebreaker (Ker 40). They have slowed right down and waiting for Starlight Express (Davidson 55), who has retired due to mast and sail damage and were on their way back to NZ, to rendezvous with them and act as escort to Norfolk.

Mates who delivered their yacht Auckland - Mackay a couple of weeks ago are thanking their lucky stars they left when they did.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 04:46 PM

B-G in better times about to head for PV-2012

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:19 PM



Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?



The local Distillery, Norfolk Island Liquors P/L, is found on Cascade Road and produces various liqueurs and spirits. Free sampling is available Monday,Tuesday,Thursday and Friday from 2.00pm - 5.00pm Also on the same premises is Cascade Soft Drinks, who manufacture produce a range of traditional soft drinks with old fashioned flavours, ranging from orange and lime flavours to pineapple and plum cola varieties.
There is also a Brewery on Norfolk Island which is located opposite the International Airport, where award winning beers are produced in a traditional way.
Although there is a 'Winery' on the island, it is currently importing wines from New South Wales under the 'Two Chimney's wine'label whilst it is developing its vines for manufacture.


Headline in a few weeks to read Norfolk Island Liquors in bankruptcy due to visiting sailors draining the inventory during free samplings....

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:30 PM



Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?

They may need it.

Things must be getting serious on Icebreaker (Ker 40). They have slowed right down and waiting for Starlight Express (Davidson 55), who has retired due to mast and sail damage and were on their way back to NZ, to rendezvous with them and act as escort to Norfolk.

Mates who delivered their yacht Auckland - Mackay a couple of weeks ago are thanking their lucky stars they left when they did.


Not so serious, we have had a call with Icebreaker earlier today. They have two keel nuts (out of 12) that have turned relative to the marks they made on them but like most boats they aren't carrying a big enough wrench and extender to torque them up. Normally a full torque load is enough to keep nuts done up so its unusual to find them coming loose if they've been fully torqued recently. I very much sympathise with Icebreaker team who had fought hard in tough conditions to get themselves into contention before retiring, its a shame such a capable team didn't get the chance to add an Auckland-Noumea title to the IRC nationals and other titles they've won recently.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:03 PM

Correction - not retiring, heading to Norfolk at 12.5kts to find a torque wrench...

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:05 PM


Exactly but getting the rig out is the issue. Mind you that may happen by itself........................

Not a lot of ships have cranes these days, but if they could lift the boat, they could lift the mast out.



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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:53 AM

Correction - not retiring, heading to Norfolk at 12.5kts to find a torque wrench...


Jason, Dont you know that SA is no place for facts! :lol: :lol:

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:00 AM

Correction - not retiring, heading to Norfolk at 12.5kts to find a torque wrench...

....I'll bet it's somehow th'designer's fault <_<

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:02 AM

NZ Update: Information regarding Icebreaker



Submitted by Suellen Hurling on Thu, 07/06/2012 - 10:41


It's been a long 24 hours for the crew on the Ker40 Icebreaker and we can now confirm that they have officially retired from the race and are safely anchored at Norfolk Island.

Icebreaker originally suspended racing and made the decision to head to Norfolk Island to address the loose keel bolt issue. On their way there they suffered another blow resulting in damage to the forward bulk head. They are now unable to continue racing.

Royal Akarana Yacht Club Race Management team worked together with Martime New Zealand Rescue Coordination Center and were communicating regularily with the crew.

At 1200 hours Thursday 7 June, Paul Stubbs contacted RAYC and RCC via Sat Phone to give the final confirmation of their safe arrival and then advised to announce their retirement.

All the crew are safe and well and will assess the boats situation. RAYC will continue to provide updates.

The tracker from Beau Geste will be transfered to Icebreaker.

Starlight Express were instructed by RCC to follow Icebreaker and are also on their way to Norfolk Island. There the crew will rest overnight before continuing to Auckland, New Zealand on Friday 8 June.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:37 AM

Go Akatea! overnight news.....

Good progress overnight with Akatea now only 170 miles from Noumea. She is travelling at 9.2 knots in 15 knots of breeze. I am sure all the crew will be feeling more comfortable with the conditions. Akatea is still 1st on IRC 32 miles ahead of Kia Kaha and 86 miles behind V5.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:20 AM


Looks like Norfolk is going to get busy.


it's the new Eden

wonder how much Rum they stock?


Mothers of Norfolk Island; Lock Up Your Daughters!

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:33 AM

Apparenly they have been doing it a bit tough on Norfolk recently

The high $Ozzy meaning that many can holiday further abroad on less money.

Are they still duty free, or did that change, also ?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:34 AM


First off I'm very glad to hear the crew is safe.

Cookson's build quality is first class - but anybody can make mistakes. Damage to deck sounds really odd. I'm really curious to know what sort of damage turns up.

Remember One Australia? It broke because they supposedly put a headsail sheet on a secondary winch instead of a primary (so the story went). Then there was Windward Passage II (or III) - someone cut holes in the deck for a couple of compass's - started to break off at the holes (tear along dotted line stuff) racing to Hobart.



Farr Yacht Design drew the lines for Beau Geste.

Farr Yacht Design also drew the lines for Young America (USA-53). Her deck failed and she folded in half and if not for some quick thinking and hardcore effort by a few of her crew, she'd be the second IACC yacht to go directly from the race course to the ocean floor.

BG was built by Cookson's in NZ, YA was built by Goetz in the US.

Farr is the common denominator. They have a history of drawing fast boats, but we all know that heavy boats are slow. Could they have under-designed these boats?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:46 AM

Not sure that Norfolk is going to be a nice place to be. Maybe BG will end up in splinters

Issued at 11:03 am EST on Thursday 7 June 2012.

Weather Situation
A large and powerful south to southwesterly swell being generated behind a low
pressure system in the Tasman Sea is expected to affect Norfolk Island.
DAMAGING SURF CONDITIONS and COASTAL EROSION, with waves up to 7 metres on a
south to southwesterly swell are forecast. Very high spring tides in the
evenings may cause SEA WATER FLOODING OF LOW LYING COASTAL AREAS. The sea water
level may exceed the highest tide of the year. Waves are expected to gradually
decrease during late Thursday and early Friday.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:24 AM



First off I'm very glad to hear the crew is safe.

Cookson's build quality is first class - but anybody can make mistakes. Damage to deck sounds really odd. I'm really curious to know what sort of damage turns up.

Remember One Australia? It broke because they supposedly put a headsail sheet on a secondary winch instead of a primary (so the story went). Then there was Windward Passage II (or III) - someone cut holes in the deck for a couple of compass's - started to break off at the holes (tear along dotted line stuff) racing to Hobart.



Farr Yacht Design drew the lines for Beau Geste.

Farr Yacht Design also drew the lines for Young America (USA-53). Her deck failed and she folded in half and if not for some quick thinking and hardcore effort by a few of her crew, she'd be the second IACC yacht to go directly from the race course to the ocean floor.

BG was built by Cookson's in NZ, YA was built by Goetz in the US.

Farr is the common denominator. They have a history of drawing fast boats, but we all know that heavy boats are slow. Could they have under-designed these boats?


BG and YA are two totally different boats to totally different designs in different conditions, and furthermore, in two incidents 12 years apart? You cant be serious...

Comparing the IACC boats - One Aus sunk because the hull split and all but completely parted. YA didnt sink because the hull didnt split, it folded , and the deck compressed.

This has more to do with the current incident: VOR Brasil 1 discovered a crack in the deck close to the mast and returned to land to make a ... Pretty sure some of the boats had similar problems last edition too.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:45 AM

Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:11 AM


entry details of Beau Geste


Beau Geste
Submitted by Suellen Hurling on Mon, 19/03/2012 - 08:07 Beau Geste, China's most successful sailing team, returns to New Zealand for the 2012 Auckland to Noumea race.

Launch in New Zealand 2009, Karl Kwok's 80 foot maxi has been campaigned in the Northern Hemisphere sailing over 50,000 miles. In April Beau Geste won line honours in the LA to Tahiti race and will continue down to Auckland to compete in the Auckland to Noumea Race.

Boat Name: Beau Geste

Sail #: HKG 1997

Design: Farr

LOA: 78'

IRC: 1.629

PHRF: 1.350

Owner / Skipper: Karl Kwok

Crew: Margaret Chan, Bill Low, Gavin Brady, Cameron Ward, David Blanchfield, David Wood, Morgan White, Rodney Daniel, Rodney Keenan, Jim Delegat, Matt Randall, Aaron Reynolds-Lovegrove, Carla Holgate, Keven Batten, Nikolas White, Richard Bearda and Kayne Mulcahy



more here


OK, whilst Carl is a good bloke (Yes, I have met him) and he runs a great programme, let's not go anywhere near the Beau Geste campaign being a 'Chinese Team'.


Sorry but I have to agree, the sailing scene in Hong Kong is quote divorced from China, the boat had one HongKongese on board, No-one on the mainland would consider Beau Geste to be a Chinese Team. Why? Becasue is is not!

See ya on the water

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:05 AM

Manuela, their shore crew manager, brought a smile to their faces after she shared the news that the Aussie's were beaten by the Scots in the rugby last night.


Nothing would lift the spirits going uphill in a gale than news of another Wallaby loss to Scotland.

Brahahahahahahahahaha ho ho ho chuckle laugh.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:53 AM

Assessors and a boatbuilder in Norfolk Island tomorrow. Looking at ways of getting it back to NZ

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:08 AM

Have we seen the last remake I wonder ???

http://en.m.wikipedi...e_of_Beau_Geste



Fucking great movie and a nice segue.


is there anywhere to lift it on Norfolk??....dunno for sure...maybe a slipway?? could they make a slipway?? Don't think there's anything there that could handle her with keel on. Then it depends on the weather....which looks a little more kind than it did yesterday. Still some waves on their way.

one pretty good piece of seamanship to get everyone safely there....it'll be another getting her back methinks.


Plus 1 on the seamanship Evo, not sure about standing her on her keel but??

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:51 AM

Assessors and a boatbuilder in Norfolk Island tomorrow. Looking at ways of getting it back to NZ


in crate-sized pieces

doesn't need fly-in experts to figure that, also the initial chainsaw cut is arguably already done ( tear on the dotted line )




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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:56 AM

The fleet Sevenstar can take usage off: http://www.spliethof....aspx?pgeId=232

They went big by Multi-purpuse selfsupporting vessels, and they're always nearby!

Which would mean Harry can buy Winsome a present or two. Or three. Not that she needs it.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:41 AM

as well as the yacht transport ships, which might mean a longer wait


there are plenty of large landing barge types around aus / NZ / pacific

some can submerge their deck

it could be winched on in a cradle

might be quicker with the winter weather starting to make choices more difficult

and would not need removal of the rig as for crane lift

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:16 AM

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Icebreaker originally suspended racing and made the decision to head to Norfolk Island to address the loose keel bolt issue. On their way there they suffered another blow resulting in damage to the forward bulk head. They are now unable to continue racing.
""

I heard the first boat brought into pom Rock had structural problems with the forward bulkhead and some other unspecified areaS, so maybe theres a bit of an issue for other boats to keep in mind before heading offshore.

Maybe too its something to look into on all the new modern boats as to the slamming loads that powerful light boats generate.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:31 AM


Correction - not retiring, heading to Norfolk at 12.5kts to find a torque wrench...

....I'll bet it's somehow th'designer's fault <_<


Icebreaker originally suspended racing and made the decision to head to Norfolk Island to address the loose keel bolt issue. On their way there they suffered another blow resulting in damage to the forward bulk head. They are now unable to continue racing.


Maybe now it is <_<

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:35 PM

Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:24 PM

Who said that IOR is dead?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

This will make it interresting
Norfolk Island Forecast

IDN10008
Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology
New South Wales

Norfolk Island Forecast

Issued at 5:00 am EST Friday on 08 June 2012


Warning Summary at issue time
Nil.

Weather Situation
A low pressure trough which passed Norfolk Island yesterday is moving east.
Showers in the region will continue to ease today as a high pressure ridge
builds from the southwest. Over the weekend, mostly stable weather conditions
are expected as the ridge becomes the dominant synoptic feature. During Monday
however, a new low pressure trough is likely to form near the region, with
unsettled weather returning.

Dagerous surf conditions will continue to affect Norfolk Island due to the
powerful southwesterly swell.

Forecast for the rest of Friday
Partly cloudy. An early shower or two. S'ly winds 15/20 knots at first, easing
to 10/15 knots around midday. Slight to moderate seas on a moderate long period
S/SW swell.
Dangerous surf conditions in S/SW facing surf zones, hazardous for coastal
activities such as swimming, surfing or rock fishing.
Precis: Early shower or two. Max: 18

UV Alert: 10:30 am to 01:10 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 4 [Moderate]

Forecast for Saturday
Partly cloudy. S/SE winds 05/10 knots.
Precis: Partly cloudy. Min: 15 Max: 19


Forecast for Sunday
Partly cloudy. Chance of a brief shower. E/SE winds 10/15 knots.
Precis: Possible shower. Min: 15 Max: 19


Forecast for Monday
Cloud increasing. A few showers. E'ly winds 15/25 knots.
Precis: A few showers. Min: 15 Max: 19


The next routine forecast will be issued at 3:00 pm EST Friday

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:35 PM

Funny how people assume there will be facilities at Norfolk.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:38 PM

Watch this space......................




Assessors and a boatbuilder in Norfolk Island tomorrow. Looking at ways of getting it back to NZ


in crate-sized pieces

doesn't need fly-in experts to figure that, also the initial chainsaw cut is arguably already done ( tear on the dotted line )





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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:45 PM


Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!


So who was the winner? SW seems to have not noticed.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:43 PM



Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!


So who was the winner? SW seems to have not noticed.


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:10 PM

""
Icebreaker originally suspended racing and made the decision to head to Norfolk Island to address the loose keel bolt issue. On their way there they suffered another blow resulting in damage to the forward bulk head. They are now unable to continue racing.
""

I heard the first boat brought into pom Rock had structural problems with the forward bulkhead and some other unspecified areaS, so maybe theres a bit of an issue for other boats to keep in mind before heading offshore.

Maybe too its something to look into on all the new modern boats as to the slamming loads that powerful light boats generate.


Pardon me getting all theoretical, but one factor I've never seen mentioned in recent years as design and technology has evolved is "Jerk". Not the sort of jerk I am, but the mathematical jerk. Back to mathematical fundamentals:

Velocity = Derivative in position, i.e. the change in position over time.
Acceleration = Derivative of velocity, change in velocity over time
Jerk = Derivative of acceleration, the change in acceleration over time.

Force = mass x acceleration so high jerk equates to rapid force reversals and changes in direction. A structure is loaded one way, deforms to absorb that energy, then in an instant it's highly loaded another way, perhaps before the materials have time to adapt.

Modern, light, stable boats exhibit very high jerk motion owing to their low inertia and high power to weight ratio. Anyone who has sailed a lot of blue water miles on old style boats and one of the newer models will attest to that - your body really does get a serious workout just staying in place on the boat compared to "back in the day".

High jerk values translate to rapid force reversals in a structure and very high fatigue loads. It's quite possible that what is making a big contribution in recent failures is not the size of the forces per se, but the size of the forces combined with the rapid change in their direction as a boat's acceleration changes rapidly. Sorta like taking a credit card and breaking it by bending it back and forwards in the middle. Modern composites are brittle and probably quite fatigue prone.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:13 PM

Was that a problem with "the Gherkin"?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:52 PM

Was that a problem with "the Gherkin"?

Mine's fine. Yours?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM

Was that a problem with "the Gherkin"?


What, too much jerking? :lol: :lol:

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:57 PM


Was that a problem with "the Gherkin"?

Mine's fine. Yours?


I trust you realize "the Gherkin" is/was Apollo (maxi)

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:01 AM

Yes, I sailed on it but your post was too obtuse.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:04 AM

Yes, I sailed on it but your post was too obtuse.

I used """" to indicate a nickname. I suppose many won't know it by the nickname. Too early maybe....

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:09 AM

They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.

I believe said ex sailing manager is sending reports from the race as a competitor

I also have it on good authority the original owner of the IOR greyhound said it was built to last 2 years not 30

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:21 AM


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.

I believe said ex sailing manager is sending reports from the race as a competitor

I also have it on good authority the original owner of the IOR greyhound said it was built to last 2 years not 30


Well? Who? Line honours and/or handicap - PRHF/IRC/???

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:24 AM




Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!


So who was the winner? SW seems to have not noticed.


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.


Nothing like bitching about your own club on an international website abbo!

As you may not realize most of us who helped organize this race are volunteers. Lovely and I have personally put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of our own time to make this happen and to keep the cost of this race as low as possible so that 3000 members are not subsidizing 11 boats. Your criticism I take very personally and you clearly have no idea what is involved in conducting an event like this. The sailing office and volunteers have had a bit on this season starting over 900 hundred individual yacht races including 3 courses most weekends as well as hosting 10 national and world championships and we still have the laser radial worlds to run starting in 3 weeks. Whilst this race is a major achievement to those who competed, in terms of participant numbers this is one of the smaller events we are conducting this year and so the time and resources that can be given to it must reflect that. Yes the previous sailing manager was very good at self promotion, but the true success of a season is not measured in the number of self congratulatory 'news' items published, but in the safe conclusion of the event and the satisfaction of the competitors. What was clearly obvious also was that our fleet was made up of a group of sailors that were happily content to sail the race rather than attention whore to the world about what they were doing. I have just got of the phone to the Carbon Credit boys (they finished this morning) and they suffered a massive knockdown on Monday night, pinned down for 30 mins, destroying the mainsail and ripping the inboard pole fitting off the mast. But rather than rush to tell a breathless world about it, they just quietly got on with fixing and sailing the boat to the finish. I can tell you they are all very pissed as well right now! Yes publicity is important but the main stake holders in a yacht race are the competitors.

As a club we are doing our best to keep the quality of competition for our sailors as professional as possible whilst keeping the wolf from the door. If you have any criticism of the sailing staff or volunteers you have my phone number!

A huge congratulation to all competitors in both fleets and enjoy the party folks. You have earned it.



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:30 AM

I believe said ex sailing manager is sending reports from the race as a competitor


Wrong. She now works for the Kiwi's and has done a fine job of publisising the race. But she wasn't racing.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:33 AM




Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!


So who was the winner? SW seems to have not noticed.


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.

You sure about that.
At least now when you call the phone gets answered.
Besides, Black Jack was not in the race so what makes you think there would be coverage of any other boat.
Pull your head in.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:34 AM





Now back to the yacht racing.

Check out the finish of the Brisbane Race

Can the 1981 Holland two tonner hold out the J 133 and the First 45 with 100 miles to go.

Two tonner 97 miles to go at 7.90 knots

J 133 120 miles to go at 10.40 knots

First 113 miles to go at 8.7 knots

So after 4 days downhill maybe someone needs to be selling a few mirrors.



And after 800 miles downhill the winner is?

The 1981 two tonner which finished at 0613 hrs

The J 133 has a mile to go and the First 45 3 miles.

Oh the shame , oh the humanity!


So who was the winner? SW seems to have not noticed.


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.


Nothing like bitching about your own club on an international website abbo!

As you may not realize most of us who helped organize this race are volunteers. Lovely and I have personally put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of our own time to make this happen and to keep the cost of this race as low as possible so that 3000 members are not subsidizing 11 boats. Your criticism I take very personally and you clearly have no idea what is involved in conducting an event like this. The sailing office and volunteers have had a bit on this season starting over 900 hundred individual yacht races including 3 courses most weekends as well as hosting 10 national and world championships and we still have the laser radial worlds to run starting in 3 weeks. Whilst this race is a major achievement to those who competed, in terms of participant numbers this is one of the smaller events we are conducting this year and so the time and resources that can be given to it must reflect that. Yes the previous sailing manager was very good at self promotion, but the true success of a season is not measured in the number of self congratulatory 'news' items published, but in the safe conclusion of the event and the satisfaction of the competitors. What was clearly obvious also was that our fleet was made up of a group of sailors that were happily content to sail the race rather than attention whore to the world about what they were doing. I have just got of the phone to the Carbon Credit boys (they finished this morning) and they suffered a massive knockdown on Monday night, pinned down for 30 mins, destroying the mainsail and ripping the inboard pole fitting off the mast. But rather than rush to tell a breathless world about it, they just quietly got on with fixing and sailing the boat to the finish. I can tell you they are all very pissed as well right now! Yes publicity is important but the main stake holders in a yacht race are the competitors.

As a club we are doing our best to keep the quality of competition for our sailors as professional as possible whilst keeping the wolf from the door. If you have any criticism of the sailing staff or volunteers you have my phone number!

A huge congratulation to all competitors in both fleets and enjoy the party folks. You have earned it.


That's all good stuff and I totally understand where you're coming from, BUT .......... who won the fuckin' race?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:38 AM

Anyone know a good yacht transport company?

Posted Image


What's with the Evo sticker on the nose? Aren't those North 3DL sails???

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:42 AM

Alacrity (beanteau 44.7) took line honers and won IRC overall.
Lloyds Brokers Too Impetuous (1981 Holland 2 Tonner) won PHF and was 5th over the line.
Well done Tiny and Rudy!

http://yb.tl/noumea2012aus



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:43 AM


Anyone know a good yacht transport company?

Posted Image


What's with the Evo sticker on the nose? Aren't those North 3DL sails???



Norths 3Di

Evo sponsored the race.



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:48 AM

Alacrity (beanteau 44.7) took line honers and won IRC overall.
Lloyds Brokers Too Impetuous (1981 Holland 2 Tonner) won PHF and was 5th over the line.
Well done Tiny and Rudy!

http://yb.tl/noumea2012aus


Thank you. What was Lydia on about - an old IOR 2 tonner being first in - or something? There are quite a few old IOR 2 tonners about.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:51 AM



Anyone know a good yacht transport company?

Posted Image


What's with the Evo sticker on the nose? Aren't those North 3DL sails???



Norths 3Di

Evo sponsored the race.


Ooops! Meant to say 3Di...

OK, that's hard to process...visually.

Reminds me of the early Evo ad.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:54 AM


Alacrity (beanteau 44.7) took line honers and won IRC overall.
Lloyds Brokers Too Impetuous (1981 Holland 2 Tonner) won PHF and was 5th over the line.
Well done Tiny and Rudy!

http://yb.tl/noumea2012aus


Thank you. What was Lydia on about - an old IOR 2 tonner being first in - or something? There are quite a few old IOR 2 tonners about.


Yeah John that was it. The Too Impetuous crew sailed a blinder of a race. They were 2nd on the water for a long time. Rudy and his crew certainly do the miles. Hobart, Gladstone and Keppel races this tear and a true PHF burgler! They didn't Burgle this one though they beat most on the water. Great effort. I might try and buy Blue Max back again!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:57 AM

Evo sponsored the race.


Fark there must be plenty of money in the jewellery game!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:19 AM

sadly...no. It's fun though

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:21 AM


They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.

I believe said ex sailing manager is sending reports from the race as a competitor

I also have it on good authority the original owner of the IOR greyhound said it was built to last 2 years not 30



Nope the ex sailing manager is now in Auckland and was looking after things from that end and was at the finish I believe.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:41 AM

There are still boats racing so I guess they can't finalise results until all boats are home

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:04 AM

Life Bouy,

woahh there big fellah, hold it right there. Don't give me that "clearly you have no idea" bullshit. I have run a few small events myself, the mind boggles at an offshore event like this. Have a look at my family name in past volunteers at the club. I'm sure you will agree I've got some enormous shoes to fill. To say that I "clearly have no idea" about the dedication of some club volunteers having grown up watching blokes like my old man, David Kemp and Vic Frizzell is pretty laughable mate. If you think that I wasn't aware that Lovely has put his heart and soul into this project for well over a year and is very ably assisted by a huge team of volunteers including yourself, then I'm disappointed you think so little of me.

I never said anything about about the organisation of this race or any other race run by the club recently or currently. As far as I can tell everything has been run in a typically professional fashion since the departure of the last sailing manager, with no noticeable hiccups whatsoever. That can only mean she was assisted by some very capable staff/volunteers who are still there. I never said anything about poor performance by volunteers, I consider the RQYS volunteers and it's program to be world class.

What I did say was the lack of race coverage is appalling. Now if you don't take that on board as constructive criticism then you are missing the point completely. There has been close to zero reports from RQYS. Position reports and bugger all else. Not one single article on Sail World. I learn't more about the race on facebook ffs. Now if the decision was made by the race organisers that engaging someone for press services was a waste of money then ok fine, but you are kidding yourself if you think that was a good decision. I bet the race and/or club sponsors don't share this view. I guarantee the wives, girlfriends and loved ones don't share this view. Surely they could afford to hire Stripey for a few articles at the very least? Or how about simply passing on the additional information collected during sheds to a staff writer at sail-world, I'm sure that wouldn't cost a thing. Or pass them onto another volunteer to post, I for one would be happy to do it.

Let me point out a few basic facts you seem to have overlooked. People who race yachts, like to follow yacht races when they are not in the race themselves. They know their mates are out there, they like to see how they are doing. They like to know what is going on out there, besides a dry sked position report. It generates interest, which generates web page visits, which gives sponsors and yacht clubs value. That is how it works my friend, plain and simple.

My apologies if my post offended you or any of the club volunteers, but I stand by my criticism of the lack of coverage. No press coverage of any kind is just not good enough. If that offends you then give me a call, I'd be only too happy to chat about it.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:11 AM

You sure about that.
At least now when you call the phone gets answered.
Besides, Black Jack was not in the race so what makes you think there would be coverage of any other boat.
Pull your head in.


I always get answered first time, maybe you should try using a false name.

Ok she was biased. At least there were regular reports, which is a whole lot better than no reports.

Pull MY head in? Coming coming from one of the most offensive and outspoken twats on SA? Why don't you go get your Etchell road trailer inspected, it's illegal apparently.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:45 AM



You sure about that.
At least now when you call the phone gets answered.
Besides, Black Jack was not in the race so what makes you think there would be coverage of any other boat.
Pull your head in.


I always get answered first time, maybe you should try using a false name.

Ok she was biased. At least there were regular reports, which is a whole lot better than no reports.

Pull MY head in? Coming coming from one of the most offensive and outspoken twats on SA? Why don't you go get your Etchell road trailer inspected, it's illegal apparently.

This is too good to let go.

So I should always use a false name when calling the sailing office so then my call will get answered.

Sailing adminstrators should be biased in favour of the boats that they work for at the expense of the rest of the fleet owned by the people who pay the membership fees

Offensive and outspoken on SA , that there is a compliment!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:09 AM



You sure about that.
At least now when you call the phone gets answered.
Besides, Black Jack was not in the race so what makes you think there would be coverage of any other boat.
Pull your head in.


I always get answered first time, maybe you should try using a false name.

Ok she was biased. At least there were regular reports, which is a whole lot better than no reports.

Pull MY head in? Coming coming from one of the most offensive and outspoken twats on SA? Why don't you go get your Etchell road trailer inspected, it's illegal apparently.

This is too good to let go.

So I should always use a false name when calling the sailing office so then my call will get answered.

Sailing adminstrators should be biased in favour of the boats that they work for at the expense of the rest of the fleet owned by the people who pay the membership fees

Offensive and outspoken on SA , that there is a compliment!

When I ring and reception answers I say hello and give them my name and ask to speak to the sailing office. I always get put through and answered straight away. How do you do it? Do you have a direct line or something?

There's quite a few RQYS members on Blackjack and they all pay fees too. I don't know if you know how much work she did for Blackjack but trust me, it really wasn't that much. I'm pretty sure that any bias was personal rather than commercial. So are you are saying you'd rather see a news black out rather that run the risk of someone being biased?

And..... you tell me to "pull my head in" for being offensive. Then you take being offensive as a compliment. Just a tiny double standard there champ!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:30 AM

What I did say was the lack of race coverage is appalling. Now if you don't take that on board as constructive criticism then you are missing the point completely.



They race coverage from RQYS has been appalling. Almost non-existent. Recent departure of sailing office manager is painfully obvious. Quite embarrassing from a members point of view.



Oh, is that what constructive criticism looks like? Looks more like someone shit canning their club to me.



Odd that despite your impassioned plea of life long devotion to the club; you still choose to bag your club on an international website. May be you could have picked up the phone first? It would have been wonderful to have a constant stream of information being piped out to a breathless, waiting world mate, but in case you hadn't noticed, times are tough and sponsorship is hard to find. There is simply only so much money available and something has to give. You can't spend money you haven't got. What should have we dropped out to pay for PR? The trackers? Maybe the safety inspector we brought up from Sydney? What about the container for the competitors cruising gear? Despite possibly the smallest budget for an international yacht race in years, our fleet are all safe in harbor,(getting pissed as we speak), the race went off with out a hitch, the trackers worked, the skeds were all good and all the Competitors I have spoken to are all very happy. Job done.
But some people will always have to complain. You are hardly respecting the incredible people you mention above, by bitching about the club for the entire world to see. I think you just nominated yourself for volunteer PR officer for the Keppel race mate.
Talk soon.



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:44 AM

Abbo we were going to save this vidio we have made about the race for opening day but just to prove we understand how important PR is I will give you a early glimpse.
It is still pretty rough and bear in mind we had very little cash to make it with.


Sail Noumea 2012



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:52 AM

Is B G still in trouble?


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:05 AM

Is B G still in trouble?



A couple of photos from FB,

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:11 AM

She's pretty fucked i'm told by a boat builder onsite.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:23 AM

So what do you reckon they'll do - salvage all the good bits and scuttle the hull ?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:48 AM

Who told you that?



She's pretty fucked i'm told by a boat builder onsite.



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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:06 AM

Bitching for the whole world to see? Turn it up mate, everyone on this thread has probably been to the event site and already noticed the lack of coverage, several have even mentioned it. It's no fucking secret! Besides this is a forum, not a website. Big difference there, it's an extremely limited audience.

Ok so a decision was made to can PR. Interesting choice but fair enough. I hope we don't lose any of our precious race and club sponsors because they got close to zero return for their investment in the race. And screw all those families and friends that are interested in following the race, what a pack of ungrateful arseholes we all are.

I'll be at the club tonight for dinner with the Patto's and Muddy's. Let's not discuss it and just hang shit on each other as usual. My shout!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:12 AM

Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:12 AM

pretty fucked


We don't use that term lighly eh. That's really bad.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:16 AM

Well done LB and others, including Lovely and crew. Sorry I am not there due to the new Cando way.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:31 AM

Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?


To check on the spelling, Email the internationally renowned yachting Journalist. No not that one, the other one!
Won't be at the club tonight - need to spend some time with my wife and kids given that I haven't seen much of them lately as I have been at the club doing what I now know to be a shithouse job of helping run the sailing program. :D

Who knows - I might try and sneak down for one.
Tell Muddie I said to say get fucked!
Cheers.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:39 AM


Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?


To check on the spelling, Email the internationally renowned yachting Journalist. No not that one, the other one!
Won't be at the club tonight - need to spend some time with my wife and kids given that I haven't seen much of them lately as I have been at the club doing what I now know to be a shithouse job of helping run the sailing program. :D

Who knows - I might try and sneak down for one.
Tell Muddie I said to say get fucked!
Cheers.


word around the camp fire is that he is thirsty.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:42 AM



Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?


To check on the spelling, Email the internationally renowned yachting Journalist. No not that one, the other one!
Won't be at the club tonight - need to spend some time with my wife and kids given that I haven't seen much of them lately as I have been at the club doing what I now know to be a shithouse job of helping run the sailing program. :D

Who knows - I might try and sneak down for one.
Tell Muddie I said to say get fucked!
Cheers.


word around the camp fire is that he is thirsty.


I will alert security.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:44 AM


Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?


To check on the spelling, Email the internationally renowned yachting Journalist. No not that one, the other one!
Won't be at the club tonight - need to spend some time with my wife and kids given that I haven't seen much of them lately as I have been at the club doing what I now know to be a shithouse job of helping run the sailing program. :D

Who knows - I might try and sneak down for one.
Tell Muddie I said to say get fucked!
Cheers.

do you know anything about advertising????? and you still havent popped in for a coffee!
i thought i saw you on a crew list for the race?

#185 Life Buoy 15

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:54 AM



Oh and I'd love to do the PR for the Keppel. How do you spell Blackjack again?


To check on the spelling, Email the internationally renowned yachting Journalist. No not that one, the other one!
Won't be at the club tonight - need to spend some time with my wife and kids given that I haven't seen much of them lately as I have been at the club doing what I now know to be a shithouse job of helping run the sailing program. :D

Who knows - I might try and sneak down for one.
Tell Muddie I said to say get fucked!
Cheers.

do you know anything about advertising????? and you still havent popped in for a coffee!
i thought i saw you on a crew list for the race?


Got an abbcess in my tooth so couldn't go. Had to stay home and watch it on the tracker as there was no other #%& information about the race!

Craig and the boys are ringing me regularly from the party to tell me how pissed they are.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:20 AM

Is it just me, or is that an awfully straight crack?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:33 AM

looks that way from here too

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:56 AM

Straight up and over the gunwale too.
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:27 AM

It most certainly is a curiously straight crack...

That being said, cudos to the crew and the organizing authority in preventing any loss of life.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:52 AM

And that is a good thng. Why is everyone so "can't be done" ?



Straight up and over the gunwale too.
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 10:38 AM

I don't know about you but from being in Noumea, there were two people out on the wharf cheering in each AUS entrant as the came into the marina, whether it was 4pm or 4am, helping tie up their lines, pack away sails and hand out the first rum and coke to the sailors. Perhaps they should have been back in the office on Facebook instead. I know what i preferred when I arrived at at dock after the race!

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 10:58 AM

Is it just me, or is that an awfully straight crack?

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It is and it appears to be pretty much straight over the front edge of the keel area. That's essentially the centre of the boat's flexing, that zone that would alternately be in compression and tension as the boat hogs and sags going over waves. That says "fatigue".

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:02 AM

Not some sort of line of weakness, then? (IANAE)

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:38 AM

After 100 hours at anchor.it still floats.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:40 AM

Wow. When you see that sort of crack you wonder how it ever held together. Carbon is actually very good in fatigue so I don't think it was a fatigue failure.

Often in this sort of boat you have layers of mostly longitudinal and transverse uni in hull bottom and deck, topsides would have more layers of +/- 45 because the sides of the hull are mostly in shear (deck and hull in compression and tension respectively). This sort of failure looks like not enough long'l fiber but it's really hard to do forensic analysis from a couple of photos. The inside photo is more typical of what I would have expected to see - multiple layers failing with inner layers failing long'l direction. I do notice the crack diverges at the very bottom.

And Young America really wasn't FYD's fault. There was a build fault in the side deck - a blister in the laminate. Crew/shore crew ground it out and scarfed in a new patch into 10mm thick solid cabon laminate. The scarf taper ratio was good for e-glass but not near enough for carbon. When loaded the patch peeled off at the taper, the laminate buckled and then the other deck side failed in quick succession. As designed the side decks had huge safety marings.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:49 AM

It is still afloat so I hope eveyone gets ro learn something

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:31 PM

that's it, Kevlar in between Carbon and duck port tackers from now on...

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:34 PM

After 100 hours at anchor.it still floats.


They shifted it to the sheltered side of the island yesterday.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:37 PM

How many times can you flex a beer can before it fails?

Even if it is a carbon fiber can, too many cycles equal failure.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:48 PM

It is still afloat so I hope eveyone gets ro learn something


oversize bilge pump and a power plant on board!!!




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