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[josselin]

it is called "seamanship" I am pretty sure everybody knows that 110% will be given on the way back to Lorient, they have to be ready and fully rested for that last bit. I imagine it is the same on the other boats.

[yl75]

Hey G4 now 2 miles ahead of tele !

[~HHN92~]

Hopefully things are going to get interesting at the turn. Looks like there may be a lane as the center of the high has shifted a little, although not a big lane.

[schakel]

Franck's live interview on the Groupama website just finished.
I didn't watch the whole interview but there's certainly not much stress on that boat from what I can see.
During the interview the stack was shifted forward; they have one driver at the back and 2 others hanging out on the foredeck (playing cards or something ).

Heard it as well. It was was with Thomas Coville, not much news.
In the video it is said they were equal with Tele this morning. But they lost it again.
Sailing conditions, smoothly not much spray.

[josselin]

Hey G4 now 2 miles ahead of tele !

nope they tacked and are repositionned north to the fleet, why Camper plunged to the south?

[Panoramix]

Hey G4 now 2 miles ahead of tele !

nope they tacked and are repositionned north to the fleet, why Camper plunged to the south?

But they are south of the next mark! They are nearly between Telefonica and the next mark. It looks like the wind backed and they used the shift in an opportunistic manner to go North.

[yl75]

Hey G4 now 2 miles ahead of tele !

nope they tacked and are repositionned north to the fleet, why Camper plunged to the south?

That was quite sometimes ago, much before the tack

[couchsurfer]

......looks like some fun downwinds in the next half--will they throttle-back this time??

[edelweis]

That was quite sometimes ago, much before the tack

When did who tack?

[yl75]

When did who tack?

G4 did, around 30 miles from current position (and then back on current route).

By the way for French speaking people here :

to tack = virer

But how do you say "tirer un bord" ou "tirer un petit contre bord" ?

[umpire]

......looks like some fun downwinds in the next half--will they throttle-back this time??

Whom?

[dolphinmaster]

They better get around the corner up there before they miss the ride!

[~HHN92~]

They better get around the corner up there before they miss the ride!

My thought exactly. I think it is too late.

Now, what would that bring???

[roca]

They better get around the corner up there before they miss the ride!

My thought exactly. I think it is too late.

Now, what would that bring???

it should take them another 12 hours to get around, but I do not really see any chance to miss the ride straight to lorient for any of the boats.

[Lexpat]

When did who tack?

G4 did, around 30 miles from current position (and then back on current route).

By the way for French speaking people here :

to tack = virer

But how do you say "tirer un bord" ou "tirer un petit contre bord" ?

http://www.e-frenchtranslation.com/fr/termes_nautique.htm

[dlangpap]

GPMA should cover...

[yl75]

http://www.e-frencht...es_nautique.htm

Thanks, but could not find the translation of "bord", in the sense "the route covered in between two tacks".

Like if you are tacking upwind for instance, do you also use "tack" like "doing a long tack" in between two tacks to refer to the route covered in between the two tacks ?

Or what is the proper word for that ?

[Kenny Dumas]

yl: Some guy in fancy rain gear started using "board" in place of tack or gybe because they were too cool to say "tack" or "gybe". It doesn't mean changing tacks or gybes, but refers to being on a tack or gybe, usually the one your not on, as in "the other board is headed", or "let's try the other board". Obviously there's no confusion from this when the wind shifts and "fancy rain gear guy" says "the other board is lifted" and you look over at the fully deployed dagger board. Got that?

[lars75k]

how come they dont tack? if the lift showned by the weatherforecat is there, they could lay sao miguel by now?

and they are all brilliant at ocean racing, so they must be a good reason..

go Groupama

Best

Lars

[bruno]

http://en.wikipedia..../Traverse_board
Pretty sure it is derived from the above.

[Beachcomber]

http://www.e-frencht...es_nautique.htm

Thanks, but could not find the translation of "bord", in the sense "the route covered in between two tacks".

Like if you are tacking upwind for instance, do you also use "tack" like "doing a long tack" in between two tacks to refer to the route covered in between the two tacks ?

Or what is the proper word for that ?

Good to see we have some francophones here. I like watching the Groupama videos to get a bit of practice with my French. The ones that feature Ben Wright, head of the shore team are nice because he speaks in simple French.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but I'll have a shot at it. Don't be offended if you already know these terms. In the context of racing around buoys, if you you don't want to go to far to the left or the right (you don't want to hit the corners) you play the middle or stay close to the rhumb line. Then there's also the term covering your opponent. Tight cover means you're on the same tack, to windward, giving him bad air. Loose cover means staying roughly between him and the mark. Kenny Reid often uses the basketball analogy of staying between the hoop and your opponent.

You may also find leverage a useful term. It's a word that may have come in to sailing from the financial world. In sailing it refers to the lateral separation (perpendicular to your overall course). Just like in finance, the greater your leverage, the greater your gains or losses when the wind shifts.

Allez-y Groupama!

[yl75]

@Kenny

Thanks, but isn't there a word to refer to "the route in between two tacks", in French we use "bord", and for instance you can do a "long bord" or a "small bord", sometimes using "contre bord" to refer to a small one to reposition oneself (like when you have been too optimistic for a mark).

And in fact we use "bord" even if not up wind, so if for instance you go into broad reach for a while, you would do a "bord de largue", so really a word to refer to the route in between two point of sails change in general.

[lars75k]

Groupama tacks...

no need to wait for the rest to realize that they will go way above the island when the lift kicks in

Exiciting stuff and the live tracking ia a pretty cool feature feature.

Best

Lars

[IBro]

Tack.

[Beachcomber]

@Kenny

Thanks, but isn't there a word to refer to "the route in between two tacks", in French we use "bord", and for instance you can do a "long bord" or a "small bord", sometimes using "contre bord" to refer to a small one to reposition oneself (like when you have been too optimistic for a mark).

And in fact we use "bord" even if not up wind, so if for instance you go into broad reach for a while, you would do a "bord de largue", so really a word to refer to the route in between two point of sails change in general.

Yl, in English, tack is a verb and a noun. The course between two (verb) tacks, is confusingly, also a (noun)tack. So if most of the fleet is on a starboard tack, but you want some leverage on them, out to the right, you'd do a short port tack, and then tack back onto starboard.

So, I think "tack" is the word you're looking for, but as a noun, in addition to the way you know it as a verb.

[Clovis]

@Kenny

Thanks, but isn't there a word to refer to "the route in between two tacks", in French we use "bord", and for instance you can do a "long bord" or a "small bord", sometimes using "contre bord" to refer to a small one to reposition oneself (like when you have been too optimistic for a mark).

And in fact we use "bord" even if not up wind, so if for instance you go into broad reach for a while, you would do a "bord de largue", so really a word to refer to the route in between two point of sails change in general.

Yl, in English, tack is a verb and a noun. The course between two (verb) tacks, is confusingly, also a (noun)tack. So if most of the fleet is on a starboard tack, but you want some leverage on them, out to the right, you'd do a short port tack, and then tack back onto starboard.

So, I think "tack" is the word you're looking for, but as a noun, in addition to the way you know it as a verb.

Interesting. Does the word also work when going downwind?

C.

[yl75]

So, I think "tack" is the word you're looking for, but as a noun, in addition to the way you know it as a verb.

Thanks, yes indeed what I was looking for

[Liquid]

Not sure where I heard it or read it but I though the term 'board' came from the old lee board days of old. Back when yoru lee board was deployed on either port and or starboard. So you would you on either a port board or star board...

My .05 cents...

[Pierre S]

I believe the French "bord" has the same etymology as "starboard". It comes from the old Viking ships, which had 2 sides: styrbord and bakbord. Styr as in to steer and bord for plank or side; this was the side where the big steering oar was). Bakbord was the back side/plank or other side of the boat.


These gave us Steuerbord/Backbord in German, tribord/babord in French, starboard via the Old English steorbord, etc. But French is the only language I'm aware of that has extended the use to the tack or gybe the boat is on, until of course the voguish/trendy use of "board" in New Racing English. Now how about getting "backboard" re-introduced instead of that interloper "port", which confuses everybody.

[yl75]

Ok everybody has tacked now, G4 waited for tele and tacked last ..

Let's see who passes the island in a single "bord"

[harzak]

I believe the French "bord" has the same etymology as "starboard". It comes from the old Viking ships, which had 2 sides: styrbord and bakbord. Styr as in to steer and bord for plank or side; this was the side where the big steering oar was). Bakbord was the back side/plank or other side of the boat.


These gave us Steuerbord/Backbord in German, tribord/babord in French, starboard via the Old English steorbord, etc. But French is the only language I'm aware of that has extended the use to the tack or gybe the boat is on, until of course the voguish/trendy use of "board" in New Racing English. Now how about getting "backboard" re-introduced instead of that interloper "port", which confuses everybody.

The old Viking ships had their rudder (steering oar) on the starboard side, so the opposite side had to be facing the quay (or the rudder could break against it). So the English called the opposite side of starboard the port side simply because it was the side facing the port. I like it.

[valor]

I'm getting bored with this discussion of "bord"

[~HHN92~]

They had better get with it, the train is getting ready to leave the station.


"All Aboard!"

[Kenny Dumas]

I'm surprised they're banging the corner this hard with better pressure to the north. They are lifted right now and I guess they're staying with that until the header in a few hours, but I like Sanya's tack and bet they stay with it for a while. They're 10.8 miles back right now and I'm betting this pays if they can get some separation. It will be fun to see how the next cross works out.

Meantime, it's interesting that Tele is sailing higher than everyone but G4 tacks up to cover them and they still come out even. Seems like Tele found some new higher mode that we haven't seen them use before. Maybe something about sail selection / minimizing wear on a heavily used reacher or?

Oh, and interesting that the French use bord, thanks. Also, gybe is used as a noun, like tack, as in: "we took a long starboard gybe to get ice cream at Coupeville"

[A Florida Redneck]

Yl, even us Rednecks in south Florida use the term bord (don't know how it would be spelled down here) to refer to the distance from one tack to another. So to say, "we'll take the long bord first", meaning, the long tack first where tack is used as a noun. Have not heard it used to refer to a downwind jibe (gybe), though. It's a mere guess, but I'd say bord is a sailing term of art that is going out of vogue, and that's unfortunate.

It won't be long before Spanish nautical terms creep into the vernacular down here in the former Spanish possession of Florida...

[A Florida Redneck]

They had better get with it, the train is getting ready to leave the station.


"All Aboard!"

HHN - looks like Puma are "bettin' on the come".
Tacking short and hoping the shift brings them up to the mark...

[Bmajor]

Looks like Tele may cross ahead of Groupama. Damn it all!

[Bmajor]

What's the Rumbline heading from the turning mark to the finish, anyone know?

[valor]

What's the Rumbline heading from the turning mark to the finish, anyone know?

1100 sleighride to the NE...about 45 degrees

[nroose]

I think the formal definition of tack is 2 things: One is the forward bottom corner of a sail, and the other is used with starboard or port, as in starboard tack or port tack. Then to change from starboard tack to port tack or vice-verse, you can jibe or come about. Recently, in popular jargon, many sailors have used "tack" to mean come about. But, in general, language is defined by usage, and sailboats that can come about easily and through a relatively tight angle without losing much speed are fairly modern compared to the history of sailing.

[rule69]

I think the formal definition of tack is 2 things: One is the forward bottom corner of a sail, and the other is used with starboard or port, as in starboard tack or port tack. Then to change from starboard tack to port tack or vice-verse, you can jibe or come about. Recently, in popular jargon, many sailors have used "tack" to mean come about. But, in general, language is defined by usage, and sailboats that can come about easily and through a relatively tight angle without losing much speed are fairly modern compared to the history of sailing.

Is there a Sailing Anarchy Speculative Etymology forum we could take this to?

According to http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/tack:

intransitive verb1 a : to tack a sailing ship b of a ship : to change to an opposite tack by turning the bow to the wind c : to follow a course against the wind by a series of tacks

noun

2 a : the direction of a ship with respect to the trim of her sails <starboard tack> b : the run of a sailing ship on one tack c : a change when close-hauled from the starboard to the port tack or vice versa d : a zigzag movement on land e : a course or method of action; especially : one sharply divergent from that previously followed
4 : the lower forward corner of a fore-and-aft sail

[onimod]

Looks like Tele may cross ahead of Groupama. Damn it all!

Tele has crept in front again with some good work (not that they were ever that far behind).
About an hour and a half to the turn now.

[dogwatch]

Good to see we have some francophones here.

Speaking of which, in Lisbon one commentator said Group-Ah-Mah (equal emphasis to the two last syllables) while the other put the emphasis on the final syllable Groupa-Mah. I had always thought the first was correct but does anyone here know?

[bruno]

I am not sure that it is fair to judge from the tracks but they seem to indicate that Telly points best in light air, Groupama not as good, Puma even worse, and Camper does ok. But maybe they weren't closehauled on their approach?

[Bmajor]

I am not sure that it is fair to judge from the tracks but they seem to indicate that Telly points best in light air, Groupama not as good, Puma even worse, and Camper does ok. But maybe they weren't closehauled on their approach?

Are you high?

[bruno]

I am not sure that it is fair to judge from the tracks but they seem to indicate that Telly points best in light air, Groupama not as good, Puma even worse, and Camper does ok. But maybe they weren't closehauled on their approach?

Are you high?

mebbe a little

[winchfodder]

Interesting comparing the predicted and actual tracks of the fleet from the VOR Tracker (well slightly for the armchairs sailors anyway!) Even 'bang the corners' Sanya and Azzam did not fancy the predicted approach!

Actual


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Predicted
http://forums.sailin...67574_thumb.jpg

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[Pierre S]

Good to see we have some francophones here.

Speaking of which, in Lisbon one commentator said Group-Ah-Mah (equal emphasis to the two last syllables) while the other put the emphasis on the final syllable Groupa-Mah. I had always thought the first was correct but does anyone here know?

The first is more correct. The a sound should be pronounced/stressed the same way and very flat.

[yl75]

Is there a Sailing Anarchy Speculative Etymology forum we could take this to?

According to http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/tack:

intransitive verb1 a : to tack a sailing ship b of a ship : to change to an opposite tack by turning the bow to the wind c : to follow a course against the wind by a series of tacks

noun

2 a : the direction of a ship with respect to the trim of her sails <starboard tack> b : the run of a sailing ship on one tack c : a change when close-hauled from the starboard to the port tack or vice versa d : a zigzag movement on land e : a course or method of action; especially : one sharply divergent from that previously followed
4 : the lower forward corner of a fore-and-aft sail

Ok that clarifies everything

In French that would be :
1 a and b : "virer", in fact short version for "virer de bord"
1 c : "louvoyer"

2 a : "amure",as in "tribord amure" or "babord amure" , b : "bord" , c : "virement" short for "virement de bord" , d : "louvoyage"(but not really used on land, more zigzag or zigzaguer on land,
4 : "point d'amure"


Meanwhile looks like puma is going to eat g4, should have tacked before ...

[harzak]

Looks like Puma rolling Groupama and Tele stretching.

[edelweis]

Looks like Tele may cross ahead of Groupama. Damn it all!

Tele has crept in front again with some good work (not that they were ever that far behind).
About an hour and a half to the turn now.

Groupama tacked too late. That's where they lost their lead to Tele and miles to Puma.

[roca]

good morning everybody,

so...are we getting ready for the new 24 hours monohull speed record? I think the time has come to pass 600 miles.

[dogwatch]

The first is more correct. The a sound should be pronounced/stressed the same way and very flat.

Thanks!

[richie]

good morning everybody,

so...are we getting ready for the new 24 hours monohull speed record? I think the time has come to pass 600 miles.

...good point...

[nixon]

good morning everybody,

so...are we getting ready for the new 24 hours monohull speed record? I think the time has come to pass 600 miles.

Certainly possible we will see a new one for this edition of the race. Wave state looks like it will be fairly consistent.

I don't think it will happen, but I would love to see Camper pull one out in this race - if there was ever a chance, and if CN/GD weren't just leaking shite about the boat being built for heavy down wind - then this is it.

[DtM]

I do not think that the record is on anyones mind.

Just like BPV which deliberately did not chase the multihull record during the Jules Verne.

To win this race they need to go as fast as possible but preserve the boat. The risk in going for the record is too great except for maybe Abu D.

or maybe Sanya. It is the same generation as the existing record holder !!!

[ipexnet]

good morning everybody,

so...are we getting ready for the new 24 hours monohull speed record? I think the time has come to pass 600 miles.

One thing for sure, the next 30-40 hours are going to be insane for these guys, and a treat to watch. Whoever goes balls to the wall will win. Considering the quick leg, they are all going to go at it. This rarely happens

[nixon]

This is the best swell forecast I could find: My link
Anyone got anything better? Swell direction would be interesting too.

[Terrorvision]

I do not think that the record is on anyones mind.

Just like BPV which deliberately did not chase the multihull record during the Jules Verne.

To win this race they need to go as fast as possible but preserve the boat. The risk in going for the record is too great except for maybe Abu D.

or maybe Sanya. It is the same generation as the existing record holder !!!

That was my first thought- they can't catch the boat ahead and can't be caught by the boat behind so they should go for broke. Get the record and leave a legacy for the boat.

[Terrorvision]

Telefónica has a delta of 3 minutes at the turning at Sao Miguel, that is less than when they left Lisbon to head out to sea. The rich are getting richer as they go round though.

[roca]

I do not think that the record is on anyones mind.

Just like BPV which deliberately did not chase the multihull record during the Jules Verne.

To win this race they need to go as fast as possible but preserve the boat. The risk in going for the record is too great except for maybe Abu D.

or maybe Sanya. It is the same generation as the existing record holder !!!

I think the opposite, the only team who might think to play it a bit safer is GPMA, but as long as tele is in front they can't really either:
KR told the at this point they will take any risk as last chance to win the VOR is to be first in lorient, he doesn't really care for a 2nd or a third, more in the "majesty, there is no second" mood;
tele is in similar position, they must stay in front of G4 to hope to win, and the guys onboard seem to be quite tough,
camper desperately needs a leg win, possibly epic, as untill now their team has been a total desperate wreck, they would rather sink the boat than slow down..;
Abu and sanya really have nothing to loose too, but they might just think that they risk for nothing as they might think other boats faster in any case; sanderson has balls, if he just believes it possible ...IW is probably still scared from that first leg when ericsson made the record, it was his first leg in a VOR (on g dragon) and I remember him being shocked, just kidding , he too has a strong team, thay came to win and they also are looking for some "revenge"

this would probably change for the first boats if one of them should have some breakage, the others wuold then play it safer..

[Panoramix]

I can't remember of an episode of downwind sailing in gale winds were we could compare boat speed. So who is faster? I don't know but I would think that AD with so much volume in the bow has an advantage. Groupama with the weights futher aft may also have a small advantage, it is all about having enough resisting moment to pitchpoling. I would think that Camper will be at a disadvantage when you see their bow digging into the sea in medium breeze. But the big question is will the swell be clean enough for them to push hard? If they have cross swells, they will have to throttle back! If it's clean sea, there are a few ex figaro sailors on board Groupama and they know how to push hard a boat, but are they ready to take the risk of breaking the boat?

Lot of questions, the next 24 hours are going to be interesting!

PS: I think that we are quite a few francophones posting here.

[richie]

...first three teams-"calculated risk"...the others-whatever goes...

...but in the moment Tele is stretching her legs...

[roca]

I can't remember of an episode of downwind sailing in gale winds were we could compare boat speed. So who is faster? I don't know but I would think that AD with so much volume in the bow has an advantage. Groupama with the weights futher aft may also have a small advantage, it is all about having enough resisting moment to pitchpoling. I would think that Camper will be at a disadvantage when you see their bow digging into the sea in medium breeze. But the big question is will the swell be clean enough for them to push hard? If they have cross swells, they will have to throttle back! If it's clean sea, there are a few ex figaro sailors on board Groupama and they know how to push hard a boat, but are they ready to take the risk of breaking the boat?

Lot of questions, the next 24 hours are going to be interesting!

PS: I think that we are quite a few francophones posting here.

from KR interview seemed that in those conditions, gale and waves, it was more a matter of how much risk you take than boat design, so which head sail up and how many reefs, how hard you feel confident to land your boat on the front wave, etc...

[GnarlyItWas]

Also with so little runway left in the leg there is no chance to back off early and make it up later.

I don't anyone will be too concerned about preserving gear. I don't think anyone now is interested in having solid points to allow them to come second

[~HHN92~]

Well, they've hooked into the bottom of the low, can they hang with it? If they do, and with a steady range of wind speed across the front runners, will it be a parade into Lorient? How much can any one boat push that much harder than the other?

[IBro]

G4 catching-up now for a while. Not sure about Puma and Camper.

[Panoramix]

G4 catching-up now for a while. Not sure about Puma and Camper.

I think that G4 had a technical issue before because they were anormally slow.

[roca]

Well, they've hooked into the bottom of the low, can they hang with it? If they do, and with a steady range of wind speed across the front runners, will it be a parade into Lorient? How much can any one boat push that much harder than the other?

according to both passagweather and the volvo tracker I would say no problem for that. It will get them stright in lorient

[roca]

G4 catching-up now for a while. Not sure about Puma and Camper.

I think that G4 had a technical issue before because they were anormally slow.

probably they had one man out helming and the rest of crew down below stacking weights aft

[onimod]

Well, they've hooked into the bottom of the low, can they hang with it? If they do, and with a steady range of wind speed across the front runners, will it be a parade into Lorient? How much can any one boat push that much harder than the other?

There is already enough evidence that there can be a difference.
G4 has closed back to 2nm and Puma is catching Tele too.
It's anyone's guess as to what that might be at this stage - hull, sails, crew?
I think we'll know in the next 6hrs what the pattern will be.

Camper is already at a 1% deficit and ADOR at 2%, although if they separate from the path of the first 3 there is always the luck of the ocean.

[yl75]

But the big question is will the swell be clean enough for them to push hard? If they have cross swells, they will have to throttle back! If it's clean sea, there are a few ex figaro sailors on board Groupama and they know how to push hard a boat, but are they ready to take the risk of breaking the boat?

Reminds me of a quite impressive video of Figaro training downwind, and right near Lorient in fact :

[Hrothgar]

Thats an insane video...especially when the dude is on the bow. Also, whats with the pole up and banging the forestay half the time? I guess getting ready for a hoist that didn't seem to go so well! Good times!

Hrothgar

[yl75]

Yes, trying to hoist the spinaker there was a bit much !
What I find impressive is the autopilot almost losing the plot at one point also

[Potter]

But the big question is will the swell be clean enough for them to push hard? If they have cross swells, they will have to throttle back! If it's clean sea, there are a few ex figaro sailors on board Groupama and they know how to push hard a boat, but are they ready to take the risk of breaking the boat?

Reminds me of a quite impressive video of Figaro training downwind, and right near Lorient in fact :

Now there is a video that proves how good a OD VOR could be. THe boats do not have to be the best in order to provide tight, competitive racing showing great tactics and producing heros!

[Terrorvision]

^^^^

Boats are finishing within minutes of each other after crossing the Atlantic and the podium is still wide open an you want closer racing with OD??!!

Tough crowd!

[couchsurfer]

ahhh looks like things -will- get interesting pretty soon
...distances between the lead 3 were building to 3.3,,4.5 miles,,
,,but latest update shows 1.6 to Groupon,,2.9 to Pooma,as the boats hit 20kts boatspeed,
,,with the boats moving forwards into the weather system and more favorable angles!!!

...looks like a perfect 'test' for both boats and 'cajones' soon

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G'luck guys!!



I wish the databoard was 'live' too,,these updates each 3 hours seems soooo last leg

[roca]

But the big question is will the swell be clean enough for them to push hard? If they have cross swells, they will have to throttle back! If it's clean sea, there are a few ex figaro sailors on board Groupama and they know how to push hard a boat, but are they ready to take the risk of breaking the boat?

Reminds me of a quite impressive video of Figaro training downwind, and right near Lorient in fact :

Now there is a video that proves how good a OD VOR could be. THe boats do not have to be the best in order to provide tight, competitive racing showing great tactics and producing heros!

You really didn't need to take this back in.
the video doesn't prove that at all.
It just proves that sailing a figaro solo in extreme conditions is for great sailors. But we all know that here. It proves to me that monhull sailing can be exciting and fast and extreme. I do not see how it can prove that an OD vor is better than the box class.
I love the figaro solitaire, I think it is one of the toughest sailing races around. A victory there is worth a career, still this doesn't mean an OD VOR has sense or could be interesting as the actual format.
VOR is about the top of this sport, top technology, top teams, top developement, speed records, team work, somehow lately also national efforts in all aspects, etc. It is so much more than an OD RTW race.

And if figaro solitaire where not solo but crewed, it would not be so interesting at all.

[umpire]

...looks like a perfect 'test' for both boats and 'cajones' soon

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,G'luck guys!!

I think you mean 'cojones'. But anyway 'go for it

[yl75]

Shit I can't work with this thing

[couchsurfer]

Shit I can't work with this thing

go to tracker live(upper left),
,,then magnify up to 15000x(lowerleft)
,,,,use the 'ruler(upper right) for comparing distances to a point ahead

..or magnify much less,,and add the weather,,,and project it forward using the slider (upper centre)to compare projected positions and weather


....still looks like Pooma's got some legs on,,slightly lower angle,,but gaining on both the others,,,soon to be 2nd

[yl75]

Shit I can't work with this thing

go to tracker live(upper left),
,,then magnify up to 15000x(lowerleft)
,,,,use the 'ruler(upper right) for comparing distances to a point ahead

..or magnify much less,,and add the weather,,,and project it forward using the slider (upper centre)to compare projected positions and weather

And then repeat from step 1, five or ten minutes later after having checked sailing anarchy in between !

[couchsurfer]

Shit I can't work with this thing

go to tracker live(upper left),
,,then magnify up to 15000x(lowerleft)
,,,,use the 'ruler(upper right) for comparing distances to a point ahead

..or magnify much less,,and add the weather,,,and project it forward using the slider (upper centre)to compare projected positions and weather

And then repeat from step 1 5 or ten minutes later !

...beats being -out- there!!
...pretty amazing to be able to follow at a time like this,
,,from the comfort of yer own couch .........time for some 'tea'

[couchsurfer]

..livestream interviews have STARTED,, http://new.livestrea...ooceanrace/Leg8

...spanish only for tele.......
...a fairly innocuous set of questions for Sanderson on sonya,,
,,,,AbuDiblyDhabbi up next,,, more sad questions,,an Abbu newsservice
.............''why is it faster to go to Lorient via the Azores?''
..........''with a shorter leg,,do you carry less kit?''

..makes me want to hear an actual interview,,,go CLEAN!!

...great to see some live footage out there!

[Kenny Dumas]

Hauling the mail now with speeds in the 24-29 knot range. Looks like GP has a different plan than Tele, about 5 degrees lower course, maybe looking for a better sea state in a few hours as they enter the storm?

[IBro]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

[moody frog]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Is G4 having a problem?
Somehow loks like it: big drops in speed.

[yl75]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Yes, Mer...e

[couchsurfer]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Is G4 having a problem?
Somehow loks like it: big drops in speed.

...happened pretty quick--hopefully just a sailchange

[couchsurfer]

..livestream interviews have STARTED,, http://new.livestrea...ooceanrace/Leg8

...spanish only for tele.......
...a fairly innocuous set of questions for Sanderson on sonya,,
,,,,AbuDiblyDhabbi up next,,, more sad questions,,an Abbu newsservice
.............''why is it faster to go to Lorient via the Azores?''
..........''with a shorter leg,,do you carry less kit?''

..makes me want to hear an actual interview,,,go CLEAN!!

...great to see some live footage out there!

...Campa,,the Shoe salesmen ...''working hard to the north,west,,,eating some rougher seas now for a favor later with anticipated 35-40 kt breezes on the way''........

...Pooma up next..........

[winchfodder]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Is G4 having a problem?
Somehow loks like it: big drops in speed.

...happened pretty quick--hopefully just a sailchange

Not looking very good - five knots down. We should have some news soon I guess.

[Carboninit]

Groupama 4 the leg win. Done .

[couchsurfer]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Is G4 having a problem?
Somehow loks like it: big drops in speed.

...happened pretty quick--hopefully just a sailchange

Not looking very good - five knots down. We should have some news soon I guess.

..hmm,,6.5 miles down ,,,wish we could get some live-cam action

edit damn,,7.5miles now,,,almost stopped?!~

[couchsurfer]

...congrats Clean,,I'll give it to you...BEST OTW INTERVIEW EVER!!!!

..great repore between you two,,,,good footage,,,,good questions,,lotsa chuckle

...some paraphasing,,,
''a -bit- on(30kts),,(chuckles),,,and more coming''
...''big waves,,Bay of Biscay,,,keeping it together,,will be a determining factor''
...''gotta be smart,,,but here's our chance!!''

...confirmed possible keel problems for Groupama,,but not sure,,
guess we'll find out with next interview!!!
,,talk about f'n SUSPENSE!!!!!

[~HHN92~]

Is G4 having a problem? Both Tele and Puma outpacing it. And looks like Tele is trying to show who is the boss here hmm

Is G4 having a problem?
Somehow loks like it: big drops in speed.

...happened pretty quick--hopefully just a sailchange

Not looking very good - five knots down. We should have some news soon I guess.

..hmm,,6.5 miles down ,,,wish we could get some live-cam action

edit damn,,7.5miles now,,,almost stopped?!~

KR said he thought keel ram the way the boat's heel rate was changing, sometimes flat, other times laid over.

[couchsurfer]

KR said he thought keel ram the way the boat's heel rate was changing, sometimes flat, other times laid over.

not confirmed,,,Groupama interview NEXT!! ....this'll be classic.

.....10 miles behind now,still hosing miles,,but not stopped

[IBro]

KR said he thought keel ram the way the boat's heel rate was changing, sometimes flat, other times laid over.

Yeah something like that. I've read somewhere that boats can not be pulled out of water in Lorient!? I doubt they can fix a keel without pulling it out. All in all their charge for the overall win looks impossible.

[mosailn]

I wish they would subtitle the interview in english... yl75 will you translate?

[dlangpap]

Interview link?

[couchsurfer]

Interview link?

http://new.livestream.com/volvooceanrace/Leg8