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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:32 AM

A couple of days and the boys will be back in action, so might as well start the new thread.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:35 AM

Good idea.

I hope the Teletubbies can regain their mojo.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:41 AM

....how about a betting pool for top 4 after leg 8,,,including points from the in-port :rolleyes:

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:04 AM

Iwonder if Camper can stuff up enough to win a leg

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:34 PM

I'm sure they're not the only one out training, but Groupama are the only one with their AIS on:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:33 PM

I'm sure they're not the only one out training, but Groupama are the only one with their AIS on:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/


She is anchored right now.
Bet when they arive in Lorient they will be celebrated as heroes.
Any guess how much spectators will there be? 100.000 I guess maybe more...
http://sailracewin.blogspot.nl/2011/06/vor-one-year-to-lorient-french-city-of.html
It's Groupama's hometown.
Nice nautical centre as well:
http://www.a-i-a.fr/en/ingeEco/projet/idProjet/131?symfony=0985d3b8cda7ee8ea1a4eebbb41c550b

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:31 PM

Azores waypoint may be moved before the start depending on the position of the High

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:58 PM

Azores waypoint may be moved before the start depending on the position of the High

...mannn,,NOT FAIR :angry:
....nobody ever moved the mark when -I- got high in the azores <_<

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:44 AM

Azores waypoint may be moved before the start depending on the position of the High


1,940 nautical miles it says in the official VOR site about leg 8 including the turning point at the island of Sao Miguel in the Azores.
http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/schedule/html_16_Leg-8_page1.html

But you are race director of course.
No,,,, just kidding. the High pressure area is mostly not the most windy area and there is a prediction there will be light winds and a lot of tactics. And about the other guy who reacted on this... Too much Marijuana perhaps?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:03 PM


Azores waypoint may be moved before the start depending on the position of the High


1,940 nautical miles it says in the official VOR site about leg 8 including the turning point at the island of Sao Miguel in the Azores.
http://www.volvoocea...eg-8_page1.html

But you are race director of course.
No,,,, just kidding. the High pressure area is mostly not the most windy area and there is a prediction there will be light winds and a lot of tactics. And about the other guy who reacted on this... Too much Marijuana perhaps?


from VOR site http://www.volvoocea...g-8-sprint.html

To avoid the boats being caught in the clutches of the light winds of the Azores High, race organisers could opt to route the fleet around a virtual waypoint rather than the original turning point of São Miguel island in the Azores. A final decision on the exact location of the waypoint will be made in the days leading up to the start.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 03:08 AM

Less than 8 hours away from the in-port race. Hope it is interesting on how the boats sail the race covering positions in the overall.


Will ADR sneak away with another one while the others are covering their competition?

Go Puma.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 07:33 AM

Less than 8 hours away from the in-port race. Hope it is interesting on how the boats sail the race covering positions in the overall.


Will ADR sneak away with another one in spite of their terrible boat?

Go Puma.


..fixed! :rolleyes:
...me's looking forward to a god dogfight with Sonya slipping through :)

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 07:44 AM

Slightly off track, but Puma is up for sale EUR 1.6m

http://pumavolvo70fo....com/specs.html

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:41 AM

gruopama only team changing crew for this import compared to tomorrow start for leg8; navigator nelias out, erwan israel onboard for inrace.
good choice to be a bit stronger in lot of tacks and manouvers...

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:45 AM


Less than 8 hours away from the in-port race. Hope it is interesting on how the boats sail the race covering positions in the overall.


Will ADR sneak away with another one in spite of their terrible boat?

Go Puma.


..fixed! :rolleyes:
...me's looking forward to a god dogfight with Sonya slipping through :)


Would be something to have a ADR/Sanya 1-2.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:30 PM



Less than 8 hours away from the in-port race. Hope it is interesting on how the boats sail the race covering positions in the overall.


Will ADR sneak away with another one in spite of their terrible boat?

Go Puma.


..fixed! :rolleyes:
...me's looking forward to a god dogfight with Sonya slipping through :)


Would be something to have a ADR/Sanya 1-2.


Oh well, how about 4-5?

What a comeback by Puma to nab 2nd. Tele hurt them a little at the start, but I think Groupama was already out there by then. Good race by them.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:55 PM

Great racing today.
I was a bit surprised at G4's speed upwind today.
They usually seem to give away a couple of degrees to Camper but not today.
Granted G4 covered Camper well enough to mess up their day, but still not even a punch thrown.
The wheels are really falling off Tele though.
They sailed so well early on in this race; it's a bit sad seeing them blow it this badly.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 03:23 PM

hmmm,,perhaps today's results are foretelling some things to come? :unsure:

replay showing ....... http://www.volvoocea...om/en/live.html
......a bit of headbutting action at the start,,hope t'see some more as things get closer overall
..quite the spirited roll-tack finish for Groupon
,,,I imagine the Groper's are favored this leg,,home team and all

...3 inport DFL's for Tele :blink:,,astounding t'think that in effect,they're losing this regatta in-port :blink:
...there's mention that Tele's 'premature utilized' their sailcredits,
...any word how the sailcreds are for the other teams?
...I'm thinking sailcredits possibly could provide a big clue how teams could do from here

...I hope things stay close overall!,,but it feels like Groupapa's definitely got momentum

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

Yeah, when Tele shrimped that kite the commentators noted that they had to save that one as there are no more. Unless you can go back to an old one if you had to.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 03:54 PM

I believe there was mention of Tele having used all her sail cards when they got to Miami on one of the round up videos from Volvo. So yes, saving the shrimped kite and avoiding further damage to it was important to them. With regards to using an older kite, sure they could, but hours/damage on it would have prompted them into using the card to bring a newer sail into use anyway. The crew seemed to be having a real struggle to get full hoist on the halyard, the boat took off downwind with the kite still shy of the top of the mast, the boys still winding on the handles, likely the halyard snapped and it started raining blue cloth.

Sanya also had the kite issue, where the lock wouldn't release, so the bowman went to trip it from the local release at the masthead...it looked like there was a larger problem, hence the soft shackle on the halyard getting opened and the sail falling into the water, they opted for a chaseboat drop. I'd imagine they still have sail cards to spare after the couple of shipping legs they've done!

Great work by Kenny and the boys on Puma to choose the less favoured mark and steal a heap of distance back on Camper, actually rounding second behind Groupama, the commentators didn't pick up on it with the live feed. Only Mark Covill noticed towards the 3rd mark. Interestingly, Puma now lead the points scored in In-Port Racing.

The French were on fire today, no doubt and made it count, firming their grip on the top spot.

Clifford and Abu Hamble had their moments, but failed to shine.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:40 PM

Oh well here we go again , Groupama for this leg and Telefonica for the last leg.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:48 PM

Oh well here we go again , Groupama for this leg and Telefonica for the last leg.


...methinks the big questionfrom here in is wether Tele's got -any- fight left at all??
...will they hold-off the shoe-sailsmen for 3rd overall?!?

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:59 AM

Anyone know who has any sails left? If you look at campers main in some of the onboard close ups it's looking a little tired

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 04:07 AM

Anyone know who has any sails left? If you look at campers main in some of the onboard close ups it's looking a little tired


I agree that Camper's main has issues. I noticed they were sporting an inverted top batten for quite a while going up wind on leg two.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:51 AM

Dunno about sail cards - this is a frustration with vor this info should be public info.
Im sure ken read said that they built two mains, one inshore and one off. Plus he commented on the weight of materials used and that camper seemed to go very light.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 10:19 AM

Expert Talk for Leg 8 Start:

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 10:27 AM

LIVE NOW




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Posted 10 June 2012 - 11:24 AM

will the 24 hour go on this leg?

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 12:35 PM

no live option on the tracker?

edit: on now.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:46 PM

Great start by KR, he 'wung' it.

KR said that the jib they were flying was new in Miami, with the zippers in it. Saw the tracker was not on earlier, good to hear that it is up now.

From the way Puma snuck-in yesterday and Abu Dahbi sneaking-up from that terrible start today, it appears some are watching each other too much and not the big picture. You had Tele in the back yesterday and now Group out back today. They're leaving the door open for Puma and Camper.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:52 PM

Most likely I just missed it earlier, but does anyone know the sail card status of all the team? Who is racing with the freshest sails?

Puma has at least one "newer" sail, but how about for the rest of the fleet?

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

When they get to the Azores, do they have to leave all the islands to Starboard?

Looks like that high is going to force choices as they round.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

Doh,

checked the Volvo site and looks like they will round San Miguel.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 04:30 PM

Most likely I just missed it earlier, but does anyone know the sail card status of all the team? Who is racing with the freshest sails?

Puma has at least one "newer" sail, but how about for the rest of the fleet?


..still the $1,000,000 question :huh:

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 04:39 PM



...thanks to Ador for the kind reminder t'check the chute -before- the start :huh:

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:48 PM



...thanks to Ador for the kind reminder t'check the chute -before- the start :huh:


No kidding..glad to see the pro's screw up once in a while too!

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

Hi Clean. Whatever happened to the Miami interviews you conducted (Rick Deppe and someone else)? You termed them "golden", any plans to put them up or are they now stale? Thanks.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 11:29 PM

Expert Talk for Leg 8 Start:





Martin and Peter,

Very nice!

Two guys in short pants put two chairs outside for a chat.

Good one!

Most likely I just missed it earlier, but does anyone know the sail card status of all the team? Who is racing with the freshest sails?

Puma has at least one "newer" sail, but how about for the rest of the fleet?



Tele has no more sails.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:53 AM

Does Tele have game? Perhaps they got tired of being dissed.

And WTF is Mar Mostro for sale? Is Puma getting out? I guess perhaps they want to sell before the new class is announced?

Dang. This edition is so awesome. I think the boats are perfect. Why fuck with success?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:19 AM

How the hell does Telephonica sail up to and past Puma? Looks to me like more attention to lifts and taking those lifts. 1.2 NM can make all the difference in the end. Go Puma!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:17 AM

Tele is on fire and the three Juan K boats are as usual faster than the others on that angle. I'm a bit surprised to see G4 held back like that. I hope it won't last!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:22 AM

I think those three, Tele, Puma, and Groupa will stay pretty close to each other as they approach the light winds at the Azores.
Pumas may be sailing an angle that she is not optimized for vs Tele but they do not want to lose touch with the other two prior to getting to the light stuff.
Just a guess.
Go PUMA!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:51 AM

Puma is for sale because the VOR is nearly over. What would they do with an old boat? Of course, the real question is what would anyone do with these boats given that the V70 rule is likely dead, dead, dead?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:02 AM

Puma is for sale because the VOR is nearly over. What would they do with an old boat? Of course, the real question is what would anyone do with these boats given that the V70 rule is likely dead, dead, dead?


a 2 millions $ daysailer to go out with friends? :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:02 AM

I'm surprised by Tele's speed.
Going by the previous leg performance I think if the wind gets up any more then it favours G4, who are maintaining the easterly distance to Tele but getting to the right side of the course at the moment - good move.
It may be case that Tele did some good homework in Lisbon though (and they were hampered toward the end of the last leg by the dagger board issue).
I'm a bit surprised the Puma has been just slightly slower. It'll be interesting to see if Puma and G4 can tune up against each other now that they are so close; it might be good for both of them.
None of them can afford a boat between them and their immediate competitor on the points table so I think they will all stay pretty close; Puma might be the wildcard.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:06 AM

Does Tele have game? Perhaps they got tired of being dissed.

And WTF is Mar Mostro for sale? Is Puma getting out? I guess perhaps they want to sell before the new class is announced?

Dang. This edition is so awesome. I think the boats are perfect. Why fuck with success?


Note that the boat is for sale in Euros.
I don't think Kenny see much of a market for it in the US right now.
Sanderson should ask for a 'test drive' - say Lorient to Galway? ;)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:14 AM

How far do you reckon they will go before they tack. Who will be first to go, going on previous legs will Groupama go first? They certainly are sailing south.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:28 AM

tack? no one is going to tack before the azores. they are all beam reaching with an expectaction to be lifted upto the mark. quite like the position of AbuDhabi being on the inside of the lift.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:51 AM

On the live tracker, Groupama has passed Puma. Have they finally stretched ther legs and are starting to accelerate? Or maybe G4 night watch wasn't any good.
They are sailing at 85° to the wind, an angle which should be good for G4.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:19 AM

On the live tracker, Groupama has passed Puma. Have they finally stretched ther legs and are starting to accelerate? Or maybe G4 night watch wasn't any good.
They are sailing at 85° to the wind, an angle which should be good for G4.


I think it is good conditions for G4 (could be 2-4kts more wind) but Tele have pulled a rabbit from the hat and are still extending at the front.
I also have a theory that G4 suffers when loaded (first day or two out of Itajai) but really hits it's straps when lightened a bit.
Nice low side overtake from G4 on Puma - fake right, go left.
I wonder if Puma are missing exactly the right sail for these conditions but will be carrying an extra option for the run home?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:35 AM

Is Clifford running on three legs again?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:42 AM

GP passed Puma based on pure speed, I assume the guys onboard are really pushing hard (hopefully not too hard)

not sure tele is extending lead.

Nobody have any idea about the question of sails (who is missing one or who have a spare one?)

Anyway I like to see that in Lorient the french boats will be on the water!! I would love to be but I will miss them by a day ... Arrrgh!:angry:

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:07 AM

tack? no one is going to tack before the azores. they are all beam reaching with an expectaction to be lifted upto the mark. quite like the position of AbuDhabi being on the inside of the lift.


You reckon they won't tack. I don't think so. Abu have not got the boat to do it. Left or right of the Azores high. I think that will determin this leg. The only time they would not tack is to go round the Azores high ,more miles and more breeze on the other side Still we shall see in the next 48 hours.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:05 PM

Hi Clean. Whatever happened to the Miami interviews you conducted (Rick Deppe and someone else)? You termed them "golden", any plans to put them up or are they now stale? Thanks.


No, not stale at all, and thanks for asking. The Deppe one and the Robert Hopkins one (PUMA) are the best, they are both sitting with a friend being edited since I hate editing and have no time. But coming soon and both will be on the front page!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:47 PM

Puma is for sale because the VOR is nearly over. What would they do with an old boat? Of course, the real question is what would anyone do with these boats given that the V70 rule is likely dead, dead, dead?


Same thing they do with them now: Mackinac Race, St. Maarten Heineken, Sydney-Hobart, corporate hospitality, etc. Only one old boat is sailing the VOR despite 20-something VO70s in existence - the rest are either at the bottom of the ocean or doing something else.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:06 PM

I'm surprised by Tele's speed.
Going by the previous leg performance I think if the wind gets up any more then it favours G4, who are maintaining the easterly distance to Tele but getting to the right side of the course at the moment - good move.
It may be case that Tele did some good homework in Lisbon though (and they were hampered toward the end of the last leg by the dagger board issue).
I'm a bit surprised the Puma has been just slightly slower. It'll be interesting to see if Puma and G4 can tune up against each other now that they are so close; it might be good for both of them.
None of them can afford a boat between them and their immediate competitor on the points table so I think they will all stay pretty close; Puma might be the wildcard.


Iker Martinez just knows how to fine-tune Tele. And Telephonica isn't the slowest ship of course. Iker M is a very talented guy (Olympic Champion and world champion 49-er. Here is the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iker_Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Lizarduy
Too bad for Frank Gammas.. Otherwise G4 would have won for sure.
But the race is on.... At the moment G4 only 2.3 Nm behind Tele.
And they are entering the highpressure zone of the Azorres.
I bet Frank Gammas is better in "playing with currents"

I am still very much in favor of Frank Gammas winning the VOR.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:18 PM

Looking at the forecast on the tracker around +15 +20, looks like the place to be will be right on the south coast of the island, anybody with better analysis and data ?
(impossible to work with this thing ...)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:04 PM

Wow, only 1,1 mile lead left for telefonica !

By the way anybody else has problems to refresh the dashboard ?
Quite often stuck at next report in 00.00.00, or imminent report, things like that, sometime switching carto/dashboard does the trick (on firefox)

Go G4 ! :)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:18 PM

I am still very much in favor of Frank Gammas winning the VOR.


OK but what do you reckon on Franck Cammas?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:27 PM

Wow, only 1,1 mile lead left for telefonica !

By the way anybody else has problems to refresh the dashboard ?
Quite often stuck at next report in 00.00.00, or imminent report, things like that, sometime switching carto/dashboard does the trick (on firefox)

Go G4 ! :)


yeah - same problems here.
According to Kenny G4 got as close as 2-3 boat lengths before they 'buzzed the tower"
Tele are coming right to G4's track now.
G4 have definitely picked up their game since the sun came up.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:36 PM

Is Clifford running on three legs again?


This is the first time I've believed the "Clifford is a dog" theory. Then again, Puma must be a dog too, or, then again, at this stage in the race, alot of other things could be going on. Wrong sail combo, tired sails, repairs made the boat heavy, etc..

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:38 PM

GP passed Puma based on pure speed, I assume the guys onboard are really pushing hard (hopefully not too hard)

not sure tele is extending lead.

Nobody have any idea about the question of sails (who is missing one or who have a spare one?)

Anyway I like to see that in Lorient the french boats will be on the water!! I would love to be but I will miss them by a day ... Arrrgh!:angry:


I read that Frank next challenge might be the 2016 Olympic on F18 , if you are in Lorient ,could you check on that?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:55 PM

G4 have definitely picked up their game since the sun came up.


They need some wind to be really fast, that's because their keel bulb is further af than the others.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:58 PM

I read that Frank next challenge might be the 2016 Olympic on F18 , if you are in Lorient ,could you check on that?



I highly doubt that, he never did light sailboat sailing in competition to my knowledge.
In fact really atypical :
- he is from the med (sailors more from the Atlantic/britanny in France)
- started competition quite late, but very quickly at top level
- also not hyper athletic

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

Why this video is called "Sail" is beyond me...I think its pretty dang whacky but the ending/parrallel is there. The Telies/Groupama's and the rest trying to rain in on their parade. I hope Puma/ABU/Camper can make it interesting.



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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:16 PM


I read that Frank next challenge might be the 2016 Olympic on F18 , if you are in Lorient ,could you check on that?



I highly doubt that, he never did light sailboat sailing in competition to my knowledge.
In fact really atypical :
- he is from the med (sailors more from the Atlantic/britanny in France)
- started competition quite late, but very quickly at top level
- also not hyper athletic


He came second in the F18 worlds in 2008. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a (not so) good story...

And can people please learn to spell Franck FFS!?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:37 PM

He came second in the F18 worlds in 2008.


Wow didn't know that (in fact now I remember reading about it)
Quite amazing considering the level of training he must have put into it.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:51 PM

also not hyper athletic


I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:19 PM



I read that Frank next challenge might be the 2016 Olympic on F18 , if you are in Lorient ,could you check on that?



I highly doubt that, he never did light sailboat sailing in competition to my knowledge.
In fact really atypical :
- he is from the med (sailors more from the Atlantic/britanny in France)
- started competition quite late, but very quickly at top level
- also not hyper athletic


He came second in the F18 worlds in 2008. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a (not so) good story...

And can people please learn to spell Franck FFS!?


Ok , I found the interview( sorry it's in French ) and yes it's Franck (thanks)


Actuellement leader de la Volvo Ocean Race avec Groupama 4, Franck Cammas pourrait se tourner ces prochaines années vers un nouveau défi : les Jeux Olympiques.
Franck Cammas, encore des défis plein la tête. (D.R)
 
Interrogé par Ouest-France, Franck Cammas, insatiable et avide de nouveaux défis, se verrait bien taquiner la vague en 2016 au Brésil. «J'aime bien les trucs comme ça (les JO),  a-t-il ainsi affirmé. Je m'y verrais bien, en catamaran. Ça m'exciterait bien». Une idée qui trotte dans la tête du skipper depuis quelques temps déjà et ce challenge n'aurait finalement rien d'un rendez-vous en mer inconnu pour celui qui a déjà été sacré vice-champion du monde de F18 (catamaran de 5.50m).

Après avoir été aux commandes d'un géant des mers sur la dernière Route du Rhum ou encore lors du Trophée Jules-Verne conquis en 2010 (avant de repartir dans l'escarcelle de Loïck Peyron à la barre de Banque Populaire, ndlr), la voile légère serait néanmoins un vrai changement pour Franck Cammas qui a besoin de trouver l'équipe idéale avant de se jeter à l'eau mais il ne manque pas de motivation : «si on s'entend bien, qu'on est efficaces, performants, il faudra y aller !» En attendant, le skipper français a le temps de se faire la main sur les parcours côtiers de la Volvo Ocean Race qu'il qualifie «d'excellent entraînement pour les JO !» (Avec AFP)

 
 
 
CAMMAS Franck (FRA)
 
 

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:32 PM


also not hyper athletic


I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp

He's the classic little Frenchman who are perfect for driving those little boats they excel in. He looks athletic enough and his multihull reflexes would be a big benefit on the little cats.

And he's smart and competitive as hell.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:42 PM

I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp


Indeed, I ws wrong on everything then, at least he is from the South ! :)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:03 PM


I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp


Indeed, I ws wrong on everything then, at least he is from the South ! :)


Have another glass of vin rouge. I find it helps in moments like this!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:21 PM



also not hyper athletic


I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp

He's the classic little Frenchman who are perfect for driving those little boats they excel in. He looks athletic enough and his multihull reflexes would be a big benefit on the little cats.

And he's smart and competitive as hell.


I had a brief chat with Cammas soon after the arrival into Auckland.

I am quite short. But him even more so!

But he has considerable brain power in that head.

I am picking G4 to win the VOR.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:21 PM

Puma's bleeding miles to Tele. Need to change something. In these conditions, G4 and Tele just rumble.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:23 PM




I read that Frank next challenge might be the 2016 Olympic on F18 , if you are in Lorient ,could you check on that?



I highly doubt that, he never did light sailboat sailing in competition to my knowledge.
In fact really atypical :
- he is from the med (sailors more from the Atlantic/britanny in France)
- started competition quite late, but very quickly at top level
- also not hyper athletic


Ride a road bike with him for a while and come back and say that! He is an incredibly fir bloke- remember that when he took the big multi across the Atlantic he was using a bike as the primary grinder.
I think he races the boats round the Isle of Wight on his bike with mark Turner every year too- and generally they beat them.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:47 PM




also not hyper athletic


I think he is to the contrary a rather athletic guy. Among others http://www.cammas-gr..._equipe_112.jsp

He's the classic little Frenchman who are perfect for driving those little boats they excel in. He looks athletic enough and his multihull reflexes would be a big benefit on the little cats.

And he's smart and competitive as hell.


I had a brief chat with Cammas soon after the arrival into Auckland.

I am quite short. But him even more so!

But he has considerable brain power in that head.

I am picking G4 to win the VOR.


He is about 1.70m/5'7" tall (short?).

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

Olympics for cammas... why not he has the good size for the new Nacra F16. But please let him and his -great- team finish what they have started!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:54 PM

Olympics for cammas... why not he has the good size for the new Nacra F16. But please let him and his -great- team finish what they have started!


Nacra F17.
But you're right, winning the VOR is the only that matters now! Go Groupama!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:04 PM

yep F17 sorry, I also read that after the VOR he will go on the MOD70 "race for water" and has also the idea to sail with the swiss C class cat "Hydro"

The good thing is that when he was puching forward the next project he nevertheless achieved the race under progress : During the jules vernes he was talking Route du Rhum with Coville ; while solo duriing the Rhum, the VOR campaign was already launched and running. Hopefully this time too, it will give him some luck to have other project after this VOR ;)



Now lets see if the night shift will do the job against Telephonica. Go go guys, I know french primary schools boys and girls already on their way to Lorient to see the green boat!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

Did Puma load enough stores for the Auckland to Itajai leg or what? Geez, seems like there should be no way for Tele and Group to just blow by them like they're sitting still.

Hope there are a few breaks at the turn. Eat, boys, eat.........................

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:20 PM

If Clifford is soooo bad on a beam reach why wouldnt they take the direct route and sail the shortest distance whilst sailing closer to their preferred angles (high to start with and low closer to the Azores). Im not talking massive differences but even a slight angle difference would have yielded a much shorter distance. Is the drop in speed really that great, seems to me they have sailed the longest course at the slowest angle (comparitively). Only my thoughts, flame on.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:07 AM

If Clifford is soooo bad on a beam reach why wouldnt they take the direct route and sail the shortest distance whilst sailing closer to their preferred angles (high to start with and low closer to the Azores). Im not talking massive differences but even a slight angle difference would have yielded a much shorter distance. Is the drop in speed really that great, seems to me they have sailed the longest course at the slowest angle (comparitively). Only my thoughts, flame on.


over distance covered,,there's a ~3/4% difference happening,,,not insignificant,,,but not overwhelming either ;)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:26 AM

You can bet your bottom dollar that all these teams have excellent polar data for their boats by now and are driving their best possible line given the grib data they're getting.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:57 AM

It looks like we're heading back in to Tele range at the moment.
Nico said he yesterday he was aiming for a deficit of~20nm at the turn.
I think he'll need some good Camper conditions before the turn to make that happen.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:41 AM

The rubber band is slowly pulling everyone back together again.
The predictor shows 1.5nm between 1st and 3rd into Lorient; I forsee a lot of tired boys if that's the case.
Tony Mutter talked about normal 3 man watched to the turning mark and then more bodies on deck after that.
I wouldn't be surprised if the the power on deck hasn't already been increased given that the conditions are lightening and are probably a bit fluky.
I hope they've all got enough food to keep everyone awake.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:35 AM

Franck has stated that their position in the standings is above anything they hoped and planned for.
I'm not sure how true this is, but if we assume he's telling the truth and that his aim may have been a little more modest.
If overall victory wasn't his target then winning into his home port would definitely have to be.
I wonder if the design optimisation of G4 is planned around winning this leg over all others?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:45 AM

Anybody knows what polar data the predictor is using ?

Computed from previous legs tracker data ? And same for all boats (average) or one for each ?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:47 AM

Olympics for cammas... why not he has the good size for the new Nacra F16. But please let him and his -great- team finish what they have started!


Yes it makes sense ! added to the fact that the Nacra will be a mixed-crew boat and ... that one can see Cammas racing cats locally with his girl-friend, a double windsurfing world-champion.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:57 AM

G4 and tele in the lighter wind now and tele in front again by a few hundred yards, but the strong downwind in front of them to finish the leg is favourable to G4 I think.
Plus, this leg is, proportionally with boat size and speeds, very "figaro" style, and G4 has some experience in this kind of racing.
On the other side GPMA has said that they have more to loose than others from a breakage, so they might want to risk less if/when things get real hard.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:08 AM

tele and G4 very very close on live tracker. someone tell IF that being G4 windward and coming from behind he can luff all he wants (with respect of r17) ;)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:28 AM

tele and G4 very very close on live tracker. someone tell IF that being G4 windward and coming from behind he can luff all he wants (with respect of r17) ;)

That's too close to measure using the ruler, and TF seems to want to put GPMA in their dirty air!

Btw, are they using COLREGS or the RRS at sea?

EDIT: Because you can't really luff if using COLREGS.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:32 AM

Good opportunity for Puma, if TF continues close covering GPMA.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:34 AM

tele and G4 very very close on live tracker. someone tell IF that being G4 windward and coming from behind he can luff all he wants (with respect of r17) ;)

Are you confusing Iker Martinez with Xabi Fernandez? Or are you suggesting they are joined at the hip from too much 49er sailing?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:49 AM

At maximum zoom on top of each other right now ;)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:13 AM

What is the thing on the stack at around 1:30 in the latest Tele boatfeed?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:41 AM


tele and G4 very very close on live tracker. someone tell IF that being G4 windward and coming from behind he can luff all he wants (with respect of r17) ;)

Are you confusing Iker Martinez with Xabi Fernandez? Or are you suggesting they are joined at the hip from too much 49er sailing?


a bit of both ;)
yes my fault confusing, I'll have to edit a few posts around :P thanks

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:52 AM


I am still very much in favor of Frank Gammas winning the VOR.


OK but what do you reckon on Franck Cammas?

First as I said, But how much money he makes?
100,000.= Euro/year + expenses? (wild guess)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:16 AM

What is the thing on the stack at around 1:30 in the latest Tele boatfeed?


The cockpit diner table I guess :)

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:20 AM


What is the thing on the stack at around 1:30 in the latest Tele boatfeed?


The cockpit diner table I guess :)


That's some serious stacking if that's the case! :lol:

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:12 AM

Franck's live interview on the Groupama website just finished.
I didn't watch the whole interview but there's certainly not much stress on that boat from what I can see.
During the interview the stack was shifted forward; they have one driver at the back and 2 others hanging out on the foredeck (playing cards or something ;)).




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