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[RobG]

Will Scott Babbage finally get a 1 on his sail? How many Europeans, Yanks or others can squeeze an Aussie or Kiwi out of the top 10?

For anyone thinking of taking Jack's title, here's a hint on where you'll need to be:

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[aardvark_issues]

Surely we need a form guide to place an informed opinion?

I'm pretty sure of one thing - It won't be me!

[couchsurfer]

hmmm,,what'll the winds be?
....who's entering?
.........are solid wings allowed,,and who's been practicing??

........soooo many questions

[FishAintBiting]

Will Scott Babbage finally get a 1 on his sail? How many Europeans, Yanks or others can squeeze an Aussie or Kiwi out of the top 10?

For anyone thinking of taking Jack's title, here's a hint on where you'll need to be:

ABoot bloody time moths were the talking point.

[aus2479]

It seems like all mothies without a financial interest no longer use the internet, perhaps they are out training hard or just been secretive.


My Form Guide

I doubt the euros or poms have a chance but maybe if it's light they may go okay.

I think the yanks will be a lot better this year as they have an aussie or 2 to train with, so now from the out side at least they have a good core group to train with and should battle it out in the top 5.

The aussies + a kiwi no longer have so much group training plus some are tied up with olympic campaigns so who knows if they will even be there. If Nathan & pete turn up I reckon they will win races but not sure about the regatta. Scott and Rob should be right up there plus probably last years runner Joe if he is training hard over in WA.

Expect amac to pass all the contenders like they are anchored at some stage during the regatta.

Whether the finish is up or down wind could also be a key factor.

[skiffboy]

Where and when are these ones?

[punter]

Where and when are these ones?

Campione on Lake Garda, Italy. Aug 18-26.

[skiffboy]

oh yeah, thanks.

hold on - wtf is going on with your avatar???!

[freamo]

weeeeellllllllll, you cooooooouuuuuuuuld write an extensive form guide covering the critical factors of equipement such as sail choice, spars, which of the new foils developed since the last worlds will be the fastest etc etc etc.

Or you could look at who's been doing what on the water, what the specific conditions expected in campione at the end of august are likely to mean to the individual competitors etc etc etc

or we could save a lot of time and say it's going to be a professional sailor from a country where everything that moves can, and probably will, kill you.

RIght, that's that sorted. Now we can all get back to the VORG which her indoors loves so much

[aus2479]

Surely it's more open than the last one, when most people knew who would win before they left for Belmont.

[aardvark_issues]

I'd agree with that. Especially bearing in mind that 12th place at the Belmont worlds couldn't get into the top 5 at the Europeans last summer I'd say there should be a few european sailors in the mix...

[Phil S]

From the Belmont top 10 the 3 AUS olympians will be absent. Tom, Nathan and Ian will be attending a compulsary AUS Olympic Sailing Team, debrief, cellebration, wind down at Hamilton Island, which also coincides with the Hamilton Is race Week, so they might actually get some lead boat sailing in too.
Of the Aus mothies attending the top scorers at the Mornington Nationals will have to be top picks. Rob Gough, Scott Babbage, AMAC for starters. But there will be about another 15 AUS boats attending so the competition will be tough.

[aus2479]

I'd agree with that. Especially bearing in mind that 12th place at the Belmont worlds couldn't get into the top 5 at the Europeans last summer I'd say there should be a few european sailors in the mix...

The sailor in question finished 7th at the recent nsw states that only featured Babbage from the belmont top 10. Also from blogs it appears (you would know better than me though) that simon payne is right on the pace in breezy conditionsover there, at belmont he wasn't that quick in breeze so does this mean if it's windy the Europeans will struggle?

[aardvark_issues]

if it's windy the Europeans will struggle?

Probably! Thankfully We're not going back to Torbole and I think conditions will be a good mix so hopefully everyone will have their day.

[Manfred]

if it's windy the Europeans will struggle?

Probably! Thankfully We're not going back to Torbole and I think conditions will be a good mix so hopefully everyone will have their day.

I can only agree with that. Have done some DIV II training in the old days in Campione, about same time and at other times. It had never been really windy. Just a nice breeze around 4 Bft. Not much waves. The kiters, which you see on photos are benefitting from the wind channeled down the canyon in Campione. A nice hiking track.

My bet is on the English, Simon and Chris leading the pack with Peter B. having a word too. Amac with some "secret developments" and a rowdy to save energy on shore, might be in for a surprise. Scott might spoil the Brits party at the front end. As GSJ said, there is not enough information available to write up a proposed ranking. Nobody seems to reveal his form nor technical developments in a blog these days.

Smooth sailing!

[tinga]

I think this one is Bora's to lose.
He looks very sharp in the videos I have seen.

[Phil S]

Not many entries yet, nearly half from AUS. entries 28th may, Only 5 GBR and no USA?
Seems Europe's mothies are as slack as they are everywhere when it comes to paperwork.

[couchsurfer]

....how are developments going in this aspect of the event?

[RobS]

....how are developments going in this aspect of the event?

Unfortunately I can't imagine that many people will be weighing their boats down with significant amounts of graphics

[couchsurfer]

....how are developments going in this aspect of the event?

Unfortunately I can't imagine that many people will be weighing their boats down with significant amounts of graphics

...some significant prizes for the midfleeter who does!
....could come down to adding a single stripe across the sail

[freamo]

This one has a good chance if he dons the full Naval Uniform to boot (must include pipe):

http://queenmarymoth...01_archive.html

[couchsurfer]

This one has a good chance if he dons the full Naval Uniform to boot (must include pipe):

http://queenmarymoth...01_archive.html

awwwright,,one more,,and there's a 'race'

...kuuudos to th'folks at ZEEK** for their efforts/sponsorships in the sailing world

...as much as sailors try to 'anonymize' their boats on the startline,
,,,this'll add some flair to the fleet if it gains some traction,,
,,and boats/sailors will become a bit more identifiable for us armchair sailors







**sorry for the 'typo',,,I'll fix-it if yer send a big sticker and some swag for my 'couch'

[freamo]

oh, and the reason none of the brits haven't entered is they're waiting for the Euro to crash and halve the cost of entry.

[Manfred]

Not many entries yet, nearly half from AUS. entries 28th may, Only 5 GBR and no USA?
Seems Europe's mothies are as slack as they are everywhere when it comes to paperwork.

Obviously it is the list from May 28th and it is not possible to get the latest one from the WC Website. If you are able to detect an actual list, I would appreciate it.
Cheers
Manfred

[Phil S]

We had similar late rush of entries for Belmont and ended up with 110. I think the Europeans may top this number at Campioni.

[RobG]

We had similar late rush of entries for Belmont and ended up with 110. I think the Europeans may top this number at Campioni.

Can you encourage the organisers to put up a current list? Hard to run a book when you don't know who's running!

Glad to see someone's having a go at Mothapalooza, hope it's on at next one too, it'll give me a chance to win something other than the wooden spoon. At Belmont, the only way my friends at Coal Point could tell me apart from the crowd was by the lime green cuffs of my wetsuit.

[Phil S]

numbers builing:
entries this week

[punter]

I am certainly going to be noticeable on the water at this worlds.

[couchsurfer]

I am certainly going to be noticeable on the water at this worlds.

[punter]

I am certainly going to be noticeable on the water at this worlds.

Let's just say it is distinctive.

[MOTH THIS]

Looks like the UK Moth nationals had a few designs and compeditors mixing it up over the weekend. Can't see the final results up anywhere yet though.

[aardvark_issues]

We didn't race on Sunday in the end as it was pretty biblical so Saturdays results stand. I'll try and get the full results sheet up later when the report is done...

[aus2479]

Out of interest are the macquire boats using ninja foils?

[Phil S]

Up to 47 entries this week, and I know of another 8 Australians not yet listed.
Entries at 28th June

[RobG]

Up to 47 entries this week, and I know of another 8 Australians not yet listed.
Entries at 28th June

Only one USA entry? Surely the Yanks are coming!

BTW, how many will be using the new MSL16? Where does it fit with the 10 and 13?

[aus2479]

Well my tip for the worlds still hasn't entered, nor has many of the other top ten from the last worlds.

[freamo]

They've got the new Ellway foils. They're very slightly less chord and very slightly more span.

[Phil S]

59 entries this week but where are the Yanks? entries 6th July

[skiffboy]

31 BEL 3388 BRYC Good Morgan

[MOTH THIS]

68 competitors now, just over a month to go. Late entry fees applicable in 5 days. I entered, but can't go now, so it should be 67. Hope they do tracking and upload lots of videos!

[MOTH THIS]

17 different countries represented so far...

[RobG]

68 competitors now, just over a month to go.

Only 2 yanks? Perhaps there'll be a late rush?

Absolutely no wing news, perhaps Bora has kept a class legal, no–slots wing under wraps? Appart from the durability issues, the last one did pretty well at Belmont. Smoother lake water might suit it better.

[atefooterz]

Maybe Moths are like USA Americas Cup ..only one- 2 players

[Phil S]

There will be no wings Rob, we voted to allow specific measurement of Bora's wings for Belmont only, after ISAF said the wing could not be measured under current rules. That decision died at the end of that regatta. The new rule revision which will define how they will be measured and what will be legal will be discussed at Garda and a decision made by the class members very soon. There will be a no gap/one sail component and limits on height consistant with the luff length rule. It required extensive rewording of many clauses and has taken a lot of work from class volunteers.
That does not mean no-one is designing or building just that they can not yet use a big wing in a class regatta.

[Phil S]

One month to go, 95 entries now, still only two from USA? 21 from AUS.
New sail designs, New foil design, what else?
entries here

[MOTH THIS]

No Japanese either and I saw this on Facebook today, 31.4 knots. Top speed record territory I think?

[Ncik]

"New complete" design...the Maguire moth.

[aus2479]

No Japanese either and I saw this on Facebook today, 31.4 knots. Top speed record territory I think?

I am always a bit sceptical about believing top speeds ondisplays only, after all I've seen some that have said 33-34 but on the tracksthey didn't check out and were "just" on 30. Especially when there is a large difference between peak and max. Never the less I am sure he was going bloody fast.



I am sure many contenders have been trialling various techon rigs, foils & aero. Whether any has proven fast enough to be confident onusing it is another thing.

[stormtrooper]

anyone come up with a form guide yet?

[MOTH THIS]

I would say the following should be the ones to look out for from the entries that I know of, but there is no way I think they will end up in this order and I don't know half of the other entries:

14AUS3WscScott babbage
30AUS6A18lJohn harris
34AUS3719Woollahra sailing clubPhillip kurts
36SUI3846Société nautique de genèvePsarofaghis mikis
39GBR3769WacAndrew richard budgen
40GBR3914BcycMike cooke
48AUS3783Woollahra sailing clubWarren sare
52AUS8RyctRob gough
61GBR3795Royal lymington ycPeter barton
79GBR3708Hayling islandMichael lennon
81AUS2Woollahra sailing clubJoe mothman turner
83AUS3900Black rock yacht clubAndrew mcdougall
86NZL4TaurangaPeter burling
88GBR3804Hayling island sailing clubRicky tagg
104GBR3836HiscSimon Payne
107USA3931Lauderdale Yacht ClubBrad Funk
& Bora if he enters

[aardvark_issues]

Add Chris Rashley and Jason Belben to the list and remove me! I have done so little sailing this year it's untrue!

[Phil S]

I probably agree with Richard's take on the form guide at least from an AUS view. Scott and Rob must be our best hopes.

Entry list has topped 112 with two weeks to go. Surpasses Belmont as the most ever I think. Still a few big names are missing?

[Phil S]

With Bora finally getting organised to enter, the list is now up to 114. Biggest ever moth worlds I believe.

Also some of our mothies are doing quite well in England this week.

Moth World Champ and twice AUS champ Nathan Outteridge wrapped up the 49er Gold last night (Our Time), along with sometime mothing mate Ian Jenson (9th last WC), Their part other time mothing mate Tom Slingsby (7th last WC) won the laser Gold as well. With past AUS moth champ Matt Belcher leading the 470s it makes us feel proud. Unfortunatley none of these will be at Garda due to AUS Olympic team commitments,

But New Zealand's Silver medal 49er winner Peter Burling (4th last WC) will be racing at Garda and no doubt recieving hearty congratualtions form the worlds Mothies.

[MR.CLEAN]

My guess

If the breeze blows, Bora wins. No crew to melt down for this one and he will be enjoying himself, which is when he does well.

Gough second
Babbage third

Then again, the biggest breeze they saw in Garda last week was 18 knots in August...that's not the Garda i know.

[couchsurfer]

If the breeze blows, Bora wins. No crew to melt down for this one.

Gough second
Babbage third

...he gets yer t'trashtalk -for- him now??

[MR.CLEAN]

couchsurfer translation anyone?

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[aardvark_issues]

Giovanni has been there for about 4 weeks already! Some people eh? Loading up on Thursday - really looking forward to it.

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[aus2479]

about this far out from Belmont worlds news filtered out that Nathan was the 1 do beat and bora was off the pace

So with most of the contenders in Garda does anyone have the word on who is fast or fastest or who is off the pace?

[sheeting yarns]

about this far out from Belmont worlds news filtered out that Nathan was the 1 do beat and bora was off the pace

So with most of the contenders in Garda does anyone have the word on who is fast or fastest or who is off the pace?

These guys are going pretty well...

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[RobG]

These guys are going pretty well...

So that's (L to R) Scott, Rob Gough and Josh McKnight. The first two are certainly top 5 and overall contenders, Josh should make the top 10.

Are the US sailors outsiders for this one?

What news of the Europeans? If it's light, I'm sure a few of then will do very well, and don't forget the rocket from SYC!

Entry list: ]http://www.mothworld...ors/entry-list

[MOTH THIS]

The results of the first 2 pre worlds Italian Nationals were posted.

Also mottenfieber German Sailing TV are onsite uploading videos.

So wish I was there, go the Aussies!

[NorCalLaser]

id venture to guess the hairy turkish winning machine finds his way to the top 10

[MOTH THIS]

Thierr Martinez has also taken some good shots of the lead up and racing so far

[sheeting yarns]

Conditions have been hell: 10-16 TWS today and 25 deg C on and off the water...
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[BAR KARATE]

Good result for Josh, well done Tiger - he should hit up the boss for a new sail

[Windward Mark]

Conditions have been hell: 10-16 TWS today and 25 deg C on and off the water...
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Sounds shit..... Glad I'm not there!!!!!

[NorCalLaser]

wtf is up w/ the crickets in this thread?

[MOTH THIS]

Most of the updates are coming from various Facebook pages, cbf re posting it here.
Looks like they are starting soon after a 10 minute AP, reports of upto 26 knots and surf on the ramp for the morning racing to make up for yesterdays lack of wind.

[gimmee]

Will Scott Babbage finally get a 1 on his sail? How many Europeans, Yanks or others can squeeze an Aussie or Kiwi out of the top 10?

For anyone thinking of taking Jack's title, here's a hint on where you'll need to be:

From the look at the bags under his eyes in todays SA front page interview, Scott is clearly in need of some sleep !

[RobG]

Is that why he wears sunnies for interviews? Sleep deprived or not, he's going great guns. Bora is going well in 4th but has some work to do, Josh McKnight is having a blinder. Unfortunately Joe Turner decided to act as a speed bump for John Harris so he's out of contention, he'd have made it more crowded at the top.

Some great videos on the Moth worlds site: http://www.mothworlds.org/campione/

[Windward Mark]

Good to see an anarchist on top, go the storm trooper!!!!!!

[SimonN]

Congrats to Josh. 2012 World Champion!

[GybeSet®]

wow, what a difference a day makes

Scott another runner-up after leading early in the week and looking very strong, finished w/ 3x2nds but not enough here !

nice job JK

the 'training partner' concept is producing alot of 1, 2s , ie niners at weymouth too
its like a hedge against coming 3rd, but no gaurantee of 1st !

[aus2479]

Not a bad prediction there, 3 out of 3.

about this far out from Belmont worlds news filtered out that Nathan was the 1 do beat and bora was off the pace

So with most of the contenders in Garda does anyone have the word on who is fast or fastest or who is off the pace?

These guys are going pretty well...

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[Ncik]

Congratulations to the Aussies, including Jack Sherring for winning the juniors.

[PurplePrincess]

Time for you guys to take breath and go.... easy...,tiger.... .....there's nothing like a Tiger Moth....even Neil Armstrong (god bless) flew one.....and like him just wait for the next.....the Tiger F18s coming soon!

Awesome congrats to JOSH.... Grrrrr