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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:37 AM

Usually we head down to Fremantle for the winter series. As a change, most of the sportsboats decided to stick to the river sailing at South of Perth Yacht Club in their Frostbite Series.
The fleet was of a good size, for winter. 9 sports boats made the start line for Race One and 10 for Race Two.

Six Viper 640's made up the bulk of the fleet. With two new owners to the class in the last month we should see seven Vipers on the line for Race Three.

Out of the first two containers of Vipers to land in Australia, there is only one brand new boat left. (trying to keep it in WA) Container three next.

Add a T750, T7, a Shaw 650 and a R8 and it's a pretty good turnout for winter sailing.
Winter sailing in WA is not really too harsh. Temperature is about 20 °c, (68°F) It's been sunny, but unfortunately, not windy.

Race results

For some reason, obscure to all of us, the races are being handicapped under the yacht club's performance handicap system. It shares the spoils around the fleet so it's not really a problem. A simple computer calculation gives us what the Australian Sportsboat Measuring System (SMS) results would've been too.

The first heat finished with the Vipers finishing 1,2,3,4,6th on SMS. Ducks Nuts, theT750, slipped into 5th.

Heat two looked like it might have been 10 to 15 knots at the start ... but it wasn't. It dropped, and the majority of the race was sailed in 3 to 8 knots.

T 750, DucksNuts, got off to a good start and led the T7, The Fifth Seven, followed by Rod Beurteaux in Viper 640, Don't Forget Alice, and the Shaw 650, Octopussy.

The Duck'sNuts developed a couple of minute lead. The next three boats had a good tussle for the next hour before the T7 dropped back. The Viper was pacing its bigger rivals upwind and sailing deeper, better lanes downwind to offset the other boat's larger sail areas. It was only seconds separating Octopussy and Alice for the remainder of the race.

In the end, over the line, the T750 finished about 3minutes ahead of the Shaw 650,which was about twenty seconds ahead of Beuarteaux's Viper.

On a calculation on what the results would have been under SMS, Dont Forget Alice finished 4 and 1/2 minutes ahead of Octopussy and then Viper, Viper,Viper, R8, T750, Viper, T7

Race Three is on the 17th June with a 7 – 8 knot breeze expected.


Just heard the news the Vipers now have an East coast rep. Great news for sportsboat racing in Australia.



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Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:03 AM

Curious, these viper things are only 10cm shorter than the shaws, but not much slower your saying! Why, sailors, boats, sail sizes? Never seen one but they dont look anything real radical or anything!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 07:25 AM

your next boat goggs,


but ...nah ... no wriggle room for excuses and forum whinging, particularly when racing another Viper in the fleet

I'm going for a spin with rawhide as soon as he takes delivery

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 07:39 AM

No dont think i will buy one, mind you better price than a M which was fun in the OD fleet nationals we did, just curious as to some of the results in the past in the west, the boats themselves dont look anything out there but are competing with known boats accross the line well!

Is it the Boats or the operaters of the other boats, as none of them we have racked up against?

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 08:22 AM

Usually we head down to Fremantle for the winter series. As a change, most of the sportsboats decided to stick to the river sailing at South of Perth Yacht Club in their Frostbite Series.
The fleet was of a good size, for winter. 9 sports boats made the start line for Race One and 10 for Race Two.

Six Viper 640's made up the bulk of the fleet. With two new owners to the class in the last month we should see seven Vipers on the line for Race Three.

Out of the first two containers of Vipers to land in Australia, there is only one brand new boat left. (trying to keep it in WA) Container three next.

Add a T750, T7, a Shaw 650 and a R8 and it's a pretty good turnout for winter sailing.
Winter sailing in WA is not really too harsh. Temperature is about 20 °c, (68°F) It's been sunny, but unfortunately, not windy.

Race results

For some reason, obscure to all of us, the races are being handicapped under the yacht club's performance handicap system. It shares the spoils around the fleet so it's not really a problem. A simple computer calculation gives us what the Australian Sportsboat Measuring System (SMS) results would've been too.

The first heat finished with the Vipers finishing 1,2,3,4,6th on SMS. Ducks Nuts, theT750, slipped into 5th.

Heat two looked like it might have been 10 to 15 knots at the start ... but it wasn't. It dropped, and the majority of the race was sailed in 3 to 8 knots.

T 750, DucksNuts, got off to a good start and led the T7, The Fifth Seven, followed by Rod Beurteaux in Viper 640, Don't Forget Alice, and the Shaw 650, Octopussy.

The Duck'sNuts developed a couple of minute lead. The next three boats had a good tussle for the next hour before the T7 dropped back. The Viper was pacing its bigger rivals upwind and sailing deeper, better lanes downwind to offset the other boat's larger sail areas. It was only seconds separating Octopussy and Alice for the remainder of the race.

In the end, over the line, the T750 finished about 3minutes ahead of the Shaw 650,which was about twenty seconds ahead of Beuarteaux's Viper.

On a calculation on what the results would have been under SMS, Dont Forget Alice finished 4 and 1/2 minutes ahead of Octopussy and then Viper, Viper,Viper, R8, T750, Viper, T7

Race Three is on the 17th June with a 7 – 8 knot breeze expected.


Just heard the news the Vipers now have an East coast rep. Great news for sportsboat racing in Australia.

You forgot to meantion the few boats in Heat 2 which took the same mark of the course to the wrong side and didnt retire.
Would have changed the results a bit.

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Heat 1
Boat No Boat Name Skipper Elapsed Time Over Line SMS Corrected Minutes Off On H'cap
AUS113 Dont Forget AliceR.Beurteaux 1:47:38 2 0.765 1:22:20 0:00:00 1
AUS111 Snake Charmer C.O Keefe 1:48:16 3 0.765 1:22:49 0:00:29 2
AUS112 Fizz T.Cross 1:50:46 4 0.765 1:24:44 0:02:24 3
AUS118 Hissteria G. Monkhouse 1:53:19 5 0.765 1:26:41 0:04:21 4
SP7504 The Ducks Nuts E.Lutey/MDeVries 1:44:07 1 0.858 1:29:20 0:07:00 5
AUS116 Velocity J.Park 1:56:50 8 0.765 1:29:23 0:07:02 6
SP86 R8ed M.Higgins 1:53:42 6 0.791 1:29:56 0:07:36 7
7005 The Fifth Seven G.Reynolds 2:00:08 9 0.81 1:37:18 0:14:58 8
AUS117 Kiss My Asp K.Begley 2:07:37 11 0.765 1:37:38 0:15:17 9
SP772 Connected D.Wheatley 2:02:21 10 0 0:00:00
SP75 Zoloft D. Lee 1:55:23 7 0 0:00:00


Heat 2
Boat No Boat Name Skipper Elapsed Time Over Line SMS SMS Corrected Mins Off Poition
AUS113 Dont Forget AliceR.Beurteaux 2:03:20 3 0.765 1:34:21 0:00:00 1
AUS008 Octopussy R.Howell 2:02:57 2 0.807 1:39:13 0:04:52 2
AUS111 Snake Charmer C.O Keefe 2:09:46 6 0.765 1:39:16 0:04:55 3
AUS118 Hissteria G. Monkhouse 2:10:04 7 0.765 1:39:30 0:05:09 4
AUS116 Velocity J.Park 2:10:06 8 0.765 1:39:32 0:05:11 5
AUS112 Fizz N.Lewins 2:11:08 9 0.765 1:40:19 0:05:58 6
SP86 R8ed M.Higgins 2:07:23 5 0.791 1:40:46 0:06:25 7
7005 The Fifth Seven G.Reynolds 2:06:23 4 0.81 1:42:22 0:08:01 8
SP7504 The Ducks Nuts E.Lutey/M DeVries1:59:52 1 0.858 1:42:51 0:08:30 9
AUS117 Kiss My Asp K.Begley 2:15:51 10 0.765 1:43:56 0:09:35 10

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 11:21 AM

Are the legs short for the SB racing and WL.. I haven't got down there for a look. 2hr races because bugger all breeze?

Nice plug on the vipers....:blink:

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:28 PM

Turkey.....I was waiting for a slap… not

To answer your questions….
No, it's not a SB3…. and
the Viper 640 is performing well due to a combination of all of the above – the boat and SMS rating, sail size, and the sailors.

The boat and rating
Your pet hate - the boat is lightweight and it has a crew of three so that helps overall weight. The SMS rating is very good and could be even better, with very minor changes, if we wanted…. we all stay the same for one design racing.
Uphill we are quicker than we were a few years ago with better rig tune for breezes. The hull shape is very good in flat and lumpy water. The Shaw is a bit flatter under the mast and the Viper is more "U" shape. I think this helps the Viper in the slop. ( See "Viper 640 upwind against Shaw 650" on Youtube)

Sail Size
Depending on the course, having a smaller kite is sometimes an advantage, especially tight reaching where we can hold our kite longer.
We also seem to be able to soak lower in really light breeze, downhill, than boats with bigger spinnakers.
We save a few seconds on sets and drops given the retriever chute system. It doesn't sound like much but if you go from being behind to in front of someone, they have to get past you again , which can be made hard.


Sailors
There are some good sailors enjoying the Vipers.
But saying that, Octopussy is sailed by some good sailors off General Lee.
At this Years GBRW regatta the M24's were sailed by multiple Australian champion (Sharpies, 505's, Etchells) Peter Chappell and skiff legend Peter Sorrenson.
It was interesting that everyone agreed they sailed well, making few mistakes.
Vipers were still 1,2,3,5,6. So, no, its not just the sailors…

The Viper is a good all round boat under the current SMS rating. The SMS rule seems to favour lighter, smaller boats like the Viper and Shaw 650.

Boats like the DucksNuts (T750) and the Fifth Seven (T7) struggle to compete favourably on SMS, even if well sailed. We need to have handicaps to get people sailing a variety of boats… fleet sizes are good at the moment… we don't want to lose them. The rule needs to be tweaked slightly.

The Viper provides a good compromise. It is competitive on SMS handicap where you have a mixed sportsbpat fleet ( Sydney fleet is starting in September) , and in WA where we have a fleet of eight identical boats, we can race SMS and/or One Design.

Imagine sailing twenty five T7's on one course. What a hoot!!!

Off to the SOPYC frostbite tomorrow. Will update results for heat 3.


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:47 PM

Cool, no need to tell us about the advantage light 650 size boats have at the moment but am curious as to how come they are knocking the shaws off across the line, will be interesting to see how they go against east coast boats, of which some are right on the pace for there respective class as well!

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 04:33 AM

Cool, no need to tell us about the advantage light 650 size boats have at the moment but am curious as to how come they are knocking the shaws off across the line, will be interesting to see how they go against east coast boats, of which some are right on the pace for there respective class as well!


There not, only on SMS witch has been a 50/50 of late. the last 2 short course series the shaw 650 won and Wa state champs the vipers back in 3rd after the T750 "ducks nuts" and shaw 650.

The winter races are around the bouys with tight reaching legs and so far light winds witch have been faviored to the vipers. sailing with 3 crew also makes a big diffrence.
The rating diffrence is related to the Shaws wider deck, longer prodder, much larger spin and main sails, 2 spreder rigs. witch at 14-16kts of wind make the shaws close to unbeatible if sailed well but the vipers still remain strong in the lighter and very windy weather.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:35 AM

Race 3 Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing

I hope the winners of Race Three picked up a lotto ticket on the way home from sailing because their luck was definitely in for the day.

The course was mainly two or three sail reaching, running and a few, short windward legs.

In 5 to 8 knots, Brian Devries' T 750, "Over the Line", led the other 10 sportsboats to the first mark ahead of T7 "Keeled Over" with Viper "Don't Forget Alice" rounding inside of T750 "Ducks Nuts" who was later found to be OCS.

A tight reach saw Rees Howell in the Shaw 650, Octopussy set a Code 0 on a furler (Jeez, we only have three sails!!!) They passed 3 boats to round the next mark in second. They were trucking…

Positions tightened, up the short ww leg. A big shift in the last 200m of the leg, saw some pick it and lift beautifully to the mark, set, and scoot off on a reach. The rest of us took the great circle route, parked and cursed.

The predominantly reaching course continued to help the boats with larger sail area. It would be the Shaw , T7's and 750's on SMS. The only question was...... by how much???

And then sometimes, luck plays a part…. The breeze dropped….. the leaders parked at the last mark… the rest of the fleet closed in…

"Over the Line" finished two minutes ahead of "Octopussy" who finished ahead of two T7's and five minutes ahead of three Vipers.

On SMS, if all my calculations are correct, it was Viper 1st, and then very close for the next two places. In second place was a new owner to the Viper fleet, Nick Lewins (+1m15s), Octopussy 3rd ( +1m 17s) then Viper, T7.



Sometimes it's about the boat or skill but sometimes it's a fair amount of luck too….. especially in winter.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:57 AM

Race 3 Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing

I hope the winners of Race Three picked up a lotto ticket on the way home from sailing because their luck was definitely in for the day.

The course was mainly two or three sail reaching, running and a few, short windward legs.

In 5 to 8 knots, Brian Devries' T 750, "Over the Line", led the other 10 sportsboats to the first mark ahead of T7 "Keeled Over" with Viper "Don't Forget Alice" rounding inside of T750 "Ducks Nuts" who was later found to be OCS.

A tight reach saw Rees Howell in the Shaw 650, Octopussy set a Code 0 on a furler (Jeez, we only have three sails!!!) They passed 3 boats to round the next mark in second. They were trucking…

Positions tightened, up the short ww leg. A big shift in the last 200m of the leg, saw some pick it and lift beautifully to the mark, set, and scoot off on a reach. The rest of us took the great circle route, parked and cursed.

The predominantly reaching course continued to help the boats with larger sail area. It would be the Shaw , T7's and 750's on SMS. The only question was...... by how much???

And then sometimes, luck plays a part…. The breeze dropped….. the leaders parked at the last mark… the rest of the fleet closed in…

"Over the Line" finished two minutes ahead of "Octopussy" who finished ahead of two T7's and five minutes ahead of three Vipers.

On SMS, if all my calculations are correct, it was Viper 1st, and then very close for the next two places. In second place was a new owner to the Viper fleet, Nick Lewins (+1m15s), Octopussy 3rd ( +1m 17s) then Viper, T7.



Sometimes it's about the boat or skill but sometimes it's a fair amount of luck too….. especially in winter.


Did both of them's outboards get knocked off during the race?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:37 PM

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I assume for SMS purposes that Code 0 is not measured as a 'white sail'

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:02 PM


Race 3 Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing

I hope the winners of Race Three picked up a lotto ticket on the way home from sailing because their luck was definitely in for the day.

The course was mainly two or three sail reaching, running and a few, short windward legs.

In 5 to 8 knots, Brian Devries' T 750, "Over the Line", led the other 10 sportsboats to the first mark ahead of T7 "Keeled Over" with Viper "Don't Forget Alice" rounding inside of T750 "Ducks Nuts" who was later found to be OCS.

A tight reach saw Rees Howell in the Shaw 650, Octopussy set a Code 0 on a furler (Jeez, we only have three sails!!!) They passed 3 boats to round the next mark in second. They were trucking…

Positions tightened, up the short ww leg. A big shift in the last 200m of the leg, saw some pick it and lift beautifully to the mark, set, and scoot off on a reach. The rest of us took the great circle route, parked and cursed.

The predominantly reaching course continued to help the boats with larger sail area. It would be the Shaw , T7's and 750's on SMS. The only question was...... by how much???

And then sometimes, luck plays a part…. The breeze dropped….. the leaders parked at the last mark… the rest of the fleet closed in…

"Over the Line" finished two minutes ahead of "Octopussy" who finished ahead of two T7's and five minutes ahead of three Vipers.

On SMS, if all my calculations are correct, it was Viper 1st, and then very close for the next two places. In second place was a new owner to the Viper fleet, Nick Lewins (+1m15s), Octopussy 3rd ( +1m 17s) then Viper, T7.



Sometimes it's about the boat or skill but sometimes it's a fair amount of luck too….. especially in winter.


Did both of them's outboards get knocked off during the race?

Hahaha, outboard on a viper, good one Turks

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:57 PM



Race 3 Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing

I hope the winners of Race Three picked up a lotto ticket on the way home from sailing because their luck was definitely in for the day.

The course was mainly two or three sail reaching, running and a few, short windward legs.

In 5 to 8 knots, Brian Devries' T 750, "Over the Line", led the other 10 sportsboats to the first mark ahead of T7 "Keeled Over" with Viper "Don't Forget Alice" rounding inside of T750 "Ducks Nuts" who was later found to be OCS.

A tight reach saw Rees Howell in the Shaw 650, Octopussy set a Code 0 on a furler (Jeez, we only have three sails!!!) They passed 3 boats to round the next mark in second. They were trucking…

Positions tightened, up the short ww leg. A big shift in the last 200m of the leg, saw some pick it and lift beautifully to the mark, set, and scoot off on a reach. The rest of us took the great circle route, parked and cursed.

The predominantly reaching course continued to help the boats with larger sail area. It would be the Shaw , T7's and 750's on SMS. The only question was...... by how much???

And then sometimes, luck plays a part…. The breeze dropped….. the leaders parked at the last mark… the rest of the fleet closed in…

"Over the Line" finished two minutes ahead of "Octopussy" who finished ahead of two T7's and five minutes ahead of three Vipers.

On SMS, if all my calculations are correct, it was Viper 1st, and then very close for the next two places. In second place was a new owner to the Viper fleet, Nick Lewins (+1m15s), Octopussy 3rd ( +1m 17s) then Viper, T7.



Sometimes it's about the boat or skill but sometimes it's a fair amount of luck too….. especially in winter.


Did both of them's outboards get knocked off during the race?

Hahaha, outboard on a viper, good one Turks


So they arnt racing asba sms then I take it?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 02:01 PM

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I assume for SMS purposes that Code 0 is not measured as a 'white sail'


There is word zero's are going to be part of the measurement process soon. Might see a few less of them being used on some boats!

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 02:11 PM

I think if you look up the SMS yearbook you'll see that they are measured as headsails, so you won't see 'em

no they arn't racing official SMS in this series, poster above says running sms tcfs over the elapsed times

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:58 PM




Did both of them's outboards get knocked off during the race?

Hahaha, outboard on a viper, good one Turks


So they arnt racing asba sms then I take it?

Ballasted dinghy racing - VYC yardstick B)

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:09 AM

TS and SY,
As I said in my first post, the Series is a winter Frostbite series run by SOPYC.
The handicap it is run under is the Yacht club's performance handicap, not SMS , so its not an SMS regatta (as far as I am aware)
If I'm wrong and it an SMS regatta but not using a SMS andicap, it would be a bit weird.
As I also said in my first post, I don't have a problem with them not using SMS for this series. It's actually sharing the spoils around the whole sportsboat fleet and not just a few boats.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:58 AM

I think if you look up the SMS yearbook you'll see that they are measured as headsails, so you won't see 'em

no they arn't racing official SMS in this series, poster above says running sms tcfs over the elapsed times


That's a Negative Ghost rider.

Many a Code Zero can be built to this rule...

Or you can build a Code Zero to you maximum head sail size..


I remember racing against Vipers without outboards once and the measurement protest was dismissed for some messed up reason..

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:22 AM


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I assume for SMS purposes that Code 0 is not measured as a 'white sail'


There is word zero's are going to be part of the measurement process soon. Might see a few less of them being used on some boats!


Its a spinnaker, rules is SMG must be 75% of foot length or over to be classified as a spinnaker. Even has the measures signature for those to dout it.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:34 AM

It was a good looking sail, Ricky Bobby.


We had a look at from all angles. In front, side on and and then sailing off into the distance.
As I said, you were truckin with it up.
The design looked good. Some look a little loose on the leach due to their overall shape and size. Yours didn't have much leech fluter at all.

Dang nab it ..... we need one of them.




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Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:41 AM

Leech line must have been on too tight:P

Im not sure a Vipers bendy sprit would even have half a chance at surviving the luff loads of a Zero..

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:06 AM

Oh, it would survive...
It might look like a pretzel at the Munich Octoberfest, though
Don't know what a Code 0 on that would look like.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:22 AM

Design luff length short enough to allow for max upbend??:P

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:09 AM

It was a good looking sail, Ricky Bobby.


We had a look at from all angles. In front, side on and and then sailing off into the distance.
As I said, you were truckin with it up.
The design looked good. Some look a little loose on the leach due to their overall shape and size. Yours didn't have much leech fluter at all.

Dang nab it ..... we need one of them.




Did pull a fair amount of leach cord on, and to get luff tention we pulled as much on the hallyard as possibly then crancked the vank on. the leeward side stays where flapping ion the wind!!

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:00 AM


It was a good looking sail, Ricky Bobby.


We had a look at from all angles. In front, side on and and then sailing off into the distance.
As I said, you were truckin with it up.
The design looked good. Some look a little loose on the leach due to their overall shape and size. Yours didn't have much leech fluter at all.

Dang nab it ..... we need one of them.




Did pull a fair amount of leach cord on, and to get luff tention we pulled as much on the hallyard as possibly then crancked the vank on. the leeward side stays where flapping ion the wind!!

Any pics of the zero RB?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:32 AM



It was a good looking sail, Ricky Bobby.


We had a look at from all angles. In front, side on and and then sailing off into the distance.
As I said, you were truckin with it up.
The design looked good. Some look a little loose on the leach due to their overall shape and size. Yours didn't have much leech fluter at all.

Dang nab it ..... we need one of them.




Did pull a fair amount of leach cord on, and to get luff tention we pulled as much on the hallyard as possibly then crancked the vank on. the leeward side stays where flapping ion the wind!!

Any pics of the zero RB?


nun yet, have only used it a couple of times and only once wile racing

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:34 AM




It was a good looking sail, Ricky Bobby.


We had a look at from all angles. In front, side on and and then sailing off into the distance.
As I said, you were truckin with it up.
The design looked good. Some look a little loose on the leach due to their overall shape and size. Yours didn't have much leech fluter at all.

Dang nab it ..... we need one of them.




Did pull a fair amount of leach cord on, and to get luff tention we pulled as much on the hallyard as possibly then crancked the vank on. the leeward side stays where flapping ion the wind!!

Any pics of the zero RB?


nun yet, have only used it a couple of times and only once wile racing

how far out the prod are you setting it? We have a zero (true headsail type) that we fly from about 800mm in front of the forestay.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:22 AM

we run it about the same, the butt end of the pole sits on the mast step. we built a headsail type CZ for the other shaw 650 but havent managed to see it out.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:40 AM

Ricky - photos of our CZ attached, although don't have any when it's on the water either. Same prodder/sheet/furler setup as yours as far as I know. Oregami - how's things ? Missed you guys around here but great to see the big fleet at SoPYC. Why no SB sailing this weekend ? Was coming up to join you but neither club has any Frostbite on.Attached File  IH Code Zero 1 2011-10comp.jpg   219.6K   111 downloadsAttached File  IH Code Zero 2 2011-10comp.jpg   233.09K   105 downloads

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:53 AM

Ricky - photos of our CZ attached, although don't have any when it's on the water either. Same prodder/sheet/furler setup as yours as far as I know. Oregami - how's things ? Missed you guys around here but great to see the big fleet at SoPYC. Why no SB sailing this weekend ? Was coming up to join you but neither club has any Frostbite on.Attached File  IH Code Zero 1 2011-10comp.jpg   219.6K   111 downloadsAttached File  IH Code Zero 2 2011-10comp.jpg   233.09K   105 downloads

Ahhh yes...... almost identical to the one I have. Used it once! Cracking sail when you do get the chance though. We tried carrying it uphill in a light race once but then realised we had to tack! Wasn't a good look so have relegated it to a club special for the 3% of passage races where it is slightly cracked and under 10 knots. Its a bitch to try a sheet directly in anything more even though its not all that big comparatively speaking... yours looks good though

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:10 AM

We've used ours quite a few times before we worked out it's best conditions. Works well up to about 5kn on the wind then we put it away.Sailing angles on ours may be slightly different to RBs but not sure. Waiting for an opportunity to try it on a light day with 90 apparent. Only small problem we have is that furler tends to wind up if we're not attentive. Tacking is no problem if you (part ?) furl it through the tack.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:27 AM

We've used ours quite a few times before we worked out it's best conditions. Works well up to about 5kn on the wind then we put it away.Sailing angles on ours may be slightly different to RBs but not sure. Waiting for an opportunity to try it on a light day with 90 apparent. Only small problem we have is that furler tends to wind up if we're not attentive. Tacking is no problem if you (part ?) furl it through the tack.


Sorry guys, I might have missed something here - wouldn't that measure as a heady? Or are we not talking SMS racing?

Also what furler(s) are you guys using?

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:37 AM

the CZ in the photos is rated as a head sail, we are useing little ronstan endless line furlers.

Im still hanging out to use it reaching in a big blow!!!! we have had 17kts on a freed up 2 sail reach before want to see how it goes with an oversize headsail up....

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:17 AM

410,Would be great to see you down for the day. Two shaw 650's, seven vipers, plus all the other sporties will make for a good race. It's been a bit light so getting back to RFBYC, you might need one of those outboards..Next race is 8/7/12 at 1:55

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:42 AM

With any luck there might be some wind for a change, starting to lose the plot!!!

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:54 AM

the CZ in the photos is rated as a head sail, we are useing little ronstan endless line furlers.

Im still hanging out to use it reaching in a big blow!!!! we have had 17kts on a freed up 2 sail reach before want to see how it goes with an oversize headsail up....

I hate to think what a head sail that big does to your SMS rating

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:45 AM


the CZ in the photos is rated as a head sail, we are useing little ronstan endless line furlers.

Im still hanging out to use it reaching in a big blow!!!! we have had 17kts on a freed up 2 sail reach before want to see how it goes with an oversize headsail up....

I hate to think what a head sail that big does to your SMS rating


AFAIK Indecent Haste runs a true CZ headsail as does Moneyshot on the other coast, but they are both not using it for SMS racing, so it is also not measured as a headsail for when they race SMS. FOr the 75% midgirth IRC style code zero, it is measured as a kite.

Will be interesting when No Limits (the 3rd Shaw 650 heading to Perth) is set up to see whether she will also flick on the fancy sails; I can imagine given the owners that they will.....

Hard to beat the Shaws on a 2 sail reach; only issue seems to be the need for a snorkle, it can get a bit wet up the front of the boat!

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:57 PM

[quote name='steveromagnino' timestamp='1340876752' post='3767744']
[quote name='Rawhide' timestamp='1340873676' post='3767706']
[quote name='Ricky Bobby' timestamp='1340789860' post='3766227']
the CZ in the photos is rated as a head sail, we are useing little ronstan endless line furlers.

Im still hanging out to use it reaching in a big blow!!!! we have had 17kts on a freed up 2 sail reach before want to see how it goes with an oversize headsail up....
[/quote]
I hate to think what a head sail that big does to your SMS rating
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AFAIK Indecent Haste runs a true CZ headsail as does Moneyshot on the other coast, but they are both not using it for SMS racing, so it is also not measured as a headsail for when they race SMS. FOr the 75% midgirth IRC style code zero, it is measured as a kite.

Will be interesting when No Limits (the 3rd Shaw 650 heading to Perth) is set up to see whether she will also flick on the fancy sails; I can imagine given the owners that they will.....

Hard to beat the Shaws on a 2 sail reach; only issue seems to be the need for a snorkle, it can get a bit wet up the front of the boat!
[/quote]

I reckon it's a shaw thing! ;)

[quote name='steveromagnino' timestamp='1340876752' post='3767744']
[quote name='Rawhide' timestamp='1340873676' post='3767706']
[quote name='Ricky Bobby' timestamp='1340789860' post='3766227']
the CZ in the photos is rated as a head sail, we are useing little ronstan endless line furlers.

Im still hanging out to use it reaching in a big blow!!!! we have had 17kts on a freed up 2 sail reach before want to see how it goes with an oversize headsail up....
[/quote]
I hate to think what a head sail that big does to your SMS rating
[/quote]

AFAIK Indecent Haste runs a true CZ headsail as does Moneyshot on the other coast, but they are both not using it for SMS racing, so it is also not measured as a headsail for when they race SMS. FOr the 75% midgirth IRC style code zero, it is measured as a kite.

Will be interesting when No Limits (the 3rd Shaw 650 heading to Perth) is set up to see whether she will also flick on the fancy sails; I can imagine given the owners that they will.....

Hard to beat the Shaws on a 2 sail reach; only issue seems to be the need for a snorkle, it can get a bit wet up the front of the boat!
[/quote]

I reckon it's a shaw thing! ;)

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:57 PM

Another winter race down, having i gusty E-SE with a number of boats reaching 15kts+ to bad the course was mostly 2 sail reaching with a few short/tight kite legs.....

would be nice to see some more of the sports boat get on the water to get the numbers up!!!



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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:46 AM

Race 4, Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing
Winter, frostbite series was an appropriate name....it felt like the wind was straight from the south pole.


The breeze direction didn't suit the two, published courses and so, like Race Three, the course was mainly two or three sail reaching, a bit of free running and a few,short windward legs.
But the positive was…..The breeze had finally arrived … not in a big way… mostly 8 to10 knots with gusts to 15.

10 boats braved the cold.

Shaw 650, Octopussy led to the first mark followed closely by Viper, Don't Forget Alice.
A one mile, easy reach saw Octopussy clear out to a couple of minutes lead.
A 2.6 mile tight reach saw Don't Forget Alice, slowly reel in and pass Octopussy, who had to drop her kite.
Alice's glory was short lived as about a mile from the mark, even the Vipers had to drop their kites. Octopussy and T750 Ducks Nuts with more sail area, two sail reached to the lead at the next mark .

Octopussy was not headed again. Don't Forget Alice had a good tussle with Ducks Nuts, who found the very tight reaches a bit much for her very large kites.
In the end, Octopussy completed a good race to finish 5 minutes 43secs ahead of Don't Forget Alice followed by Ducks Nuts.
On SMS it was Shaw 650, Octopussy, 32 seconds ahead of Viper, Don't Forget Alice followedby Viper, Viper, T7,T750

A few rums restored the circulation in the bar afterwards.



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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:54 PM

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:25 PM

What is that fabric??? :)

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

Looks like D-4 multi - panel.
Kevin

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

Would do wonders for the "blind" spot... will it go down a snuffer??

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:13 PM

When's the next race? Will be in Perth this weekend sometime, possibly Sunday. Any racing?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:56 PM

Damn...
Raced ( no... drifted) around a short course last weekend. Haven't put the results up yet.
PM me and I should be able to organise a look at the boats and a sail too, if you have time and the wind is up.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:28 AM

A stiff sprit and a balanced rudder would really improve the enjoyment factor of the Viper.
Once you go to a keel boat, the "feel" of the boat has to become pretty important as they all go slow uphill.
BUT at least they are out there actually sailing (unlike most people these days) and promoting their class.
Also note that the helmsman on the first Viper would easily be the fastest in that fleet which is a big deal in that light stuff which probably skews the results toward the Viper.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 01:01 AM

Damn...
Raced ( no... drifted) around a short course last weekend. Haven't put the results up yet.
PM me and I should be able to organise a look at the boats and a sail too, if you have time and the wind is up.


You should have headed up to RFBYC. We got a fairly good race in, Mainly Code Zero everywhere but there was a few Upwind/downwind sections. Big big shifts though.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

Race 5 Western Australian Sportsboat WinterSailing

Sunday was a beautiful, sunny, winter's day ……perfect for waterskiing, if the water wasn't so friggen cold. The water was like glass for the start.

Nine boats started….Some were late, expecting the starters to pull the pin on the race.

Agree with you MSA –huge shifts made it interesting ….. well as interesting as a drifter can be.


Over the line, T750, Duck's Nuts was 2:45 ahead of the T7, Fifth Seven. 1:30 further back to Viper, Don't Forget Alice followed by three Vipers filling the next three places all finishing within a minute of each other.

On SMS it was Viper 1,2,3,4 and T7, 5th

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:42 AM

Race 6 &7 Western Australian Sportsboat Winter Sailing

What’s been happening?? The Olympics.

Race 6
Race 6 of the SPYC winter series was a quiet affair with only 7 starters. 2 decided to be OCS and one decided a different course would be better to sail so only four finishers. It was another run, reach, tight reach, two sail reach, not quite a beat, less of a beat, etc, etc - oh for a good track….

T 750 Ducks Nuts finished a couple of minutes ahead of the Vipers. On SMS it was Viper Velocity, in front of two other Vipers followed by Ducks Nuts.

Race 7
Thankyou God!!! A breeze up to about 10-12 knots and a reasonable track.
The fleet saw Tim Reger hit the course with his newly purchased, unnamed Viper AUS114 and Mark Robins and “Scotch” with their new Shaw 650 “Shaw Thing”.

Two Viper crews were out a couple of hours early getting practice in before they head to Marblehead for the Viper North American titles next week. Rod Beurteaux on Don’t Forget Alice was practising a bit hard and his spinnaker halyard jammed down the side of the masthead block with the spinnaker fully hoisted. What to do?? Easy fix – all on one side and capsize the boat – one crew strolls out along the mast and unjams the halyard – strolls back, no one even wet. Unfortunately it was to have consequences later on.

The race started with a short beat and then off downwind. The t 750’s and the Shaw got away to a quick lead followed by a pack of Vipers crossing jibes downwind.

Upwind on leg 3, the Two 750’s were having a good tussle with Ducks Nuts in the lead, a couple of minutes ahead of the peloton.

In this second pack, the light upwind breeze favoured the Vipers who passed Shaw Thing. Nick L in his newly purchased Viper Fizz, was having a great day, showing good pace. Unfortunately he found the bottom on second upwind leg.

Don’t Forget Alice broke away from the second group until… the hayard came back to bite them. This time it jammed and they couldn’t raise the spinnaker. With a tight reach and a run to the last mark, AUS114 and Grahme Monkhouse on Viper, Hissteria, were gaining quickly. Alice dropped their jib and used the jib halyard to raise the spinnaker.

While it helped, AUS114 eventually slid to leeward and took the lead 50 metres before the last mark. With Hissteria 20 metres behind, Alice did a good job retying halyards and hoisting the jib before the short upwind to the finish. AUS114 finished ahead of Alice and Hissteria.

Over the line, the two t750’s finished two minutes apart and two minutes further back to the first Viper.

On SMS it was a first win for Reger on AUS 114 followed by Viper 2,3,4,5, Shaw650, T750, T750

That’s the end of the Western Australian Winter Sportsboat Sailing for us….. we’re off to see how we compare with the NA Vipers. I’m sure we’ll smash them…at the partying at least …..although from what I’ve read about Viper regattas, that will just as difficult as the sailing.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:56 AM

great racing

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:19 AM

Wifey and I were lucky enough to get an invite on Shaw Thing.

Got a vid on Gopro whilst trying to comprehend kites on little boats



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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:01 AM

It was a beaut day :). Good luck over there Oregami!! :)

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 01:42 AM

interesting you are running your kite blocks off your bridle points.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:00 AM

Some of the Shaws don't have the 2nd outboard set of eyes for the kite (although no reason why they couldn't be added) Lickity, so they run off the same eyes as the bridle.Loving the main sail graphic there Scotchy! If it's worth doing properly, it's worth having a dodgy half naked woman on the sail :_)Not really the sort of weather that makes you say WOW I am glad I own a sportsboat, but I guess it must be at least nice and warm which is always a good thing in winter, Australia.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:35 AM

there are no drinks on the boat !!!!! what's with that?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:49 AM

Some of the Shaws don't have the 2nd outboard set of eyes for the kite (although no reason why they couldn't be added) Lickity, so they run off the same eyes as the bridle.Loving the main sail graphic there Scotchy! If it's worth doing properly, it's worth having a dodgy half naked woman on the sail :_)Not really the sort of weather that makes you say WOW I am glad I own a sportsboat, but I guess it must be at least nice and warm which is always a good thing in winter, Australia.


Hahaha...I beg to differ...she's a classy chick and knows what she likes ;)!

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:51 AM

there are no drinks on the boat !!!!! what's with that?


AS IF!!! They were in the esky getting cold on the ice. Wash your mouth out ;).




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