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[Dawg Gonit]

From the FP....................



A 40' with a coffee grinder?? That must be one big rig???

And leaking like a sieve in the video??

Fast is fun but not if it is uncomfortable and fucking wet all the time............It's a 40'er.....Not a round the world semi-submarine.

I must be getting old..LOL

[the_abandoned_brane]

looks likew fun for a while. not even remotely worth the $250k(probably closerr to $500k) it costs.

[Tranquilo]

Pleanty good stories to tell after that. Fire hose outside, torrential rain inside. Good times man.

[Terrorvision]

Pulling away from TP52s? Not according to the tracker.

[Presuming Ed]

1339909214[/url]' post='3754122']
looks likew fun for a while. not even remotely worth the $250k(probably closerr to $500k) it costs.

$556,000

http://www.carkeek40.com/pricing/

[the_abandoned_brane]

$556,000

http://www.carkeek40.com/pricing/

I paid $8k cash for my boat. Is that boat worth an extra $548k?


though if I had the money, I would play with it.

[Presuming Ed]

Price is ex sails and electronics.
Full set of 3DL isn't going to be cheap.

[the_abandoned_brane]

Price is ex sails and electronics.
Full set of 3DL isn't going to be cheap.

well, my absurdity comes from a person who's impoverished. had I have the money to afford...

[Presuming Ed]

You're not alone in thinking the pricing is punchy.

[the_abandoned_brane]

You're not alone in thinking the pricing is punchy.

its a fine balance isnt it? pushing the limits is certainly fun. but at whst cost? is an extra 3 knots worth $50k.

if anyone wants to take me on their 20 knot mono hull to convince me its worth it, feel free to reply.

[Ballast Technician]

Pulling away from TP52s? Not according to the tracker.

And not exactly state of the art TPs at that...
Still the Carkeek is quick - as it should be, given that it is essentially a scaled down Botin TP.

[MSA]

Word fromt he wise $500k is quit cheap for this HPR designed machine... Remember HPR is a no frills, No C/R rule.. Credits to Carbon racing machines. No credits for sinks, boxed in toilets or v-berths.

[Polaris]

Tyler Black on foredeck. Good man and good at what he does.

[walterbshaffer]

1339909214[/url]' post='3754122']
looks likew fun for a while. not even remotely worth the $250k(probably closerr to $500k) it costs.

$556,000

http://www.carkeek40.com/pricing/

Wait a few years...

[festus]

How much more does the 'race' version displace than the prepreg/nomex version? I assume the foils and bulb remain the same.

[MSA]

If they did the designer shouldn't be happy... Foil shape and size is directionally proportionate to weight and hull form.. Something a heavy hull would contribute to..

[SailDry]

Tyler Black on foredeck. Good man and good at what he does.

Shriner is there also in the red hat. Bretwalda is right behind them. That's a lot of Detroit boys for one island at the finish.

[Albatros]

a leDgend, wazzdad ?


pseudo-Doragette

[Gorn FRANTIC!!]

How much more does the 'race' version displace than the prepreg/nomex version? I assume the foils and bulb remain the same.

I think it's about 150-200kg difference in the hull weights.

[Icedtea]

How much more does the 'race' version displace than the prepreg/nomex version? I assume the foils and bulb remain the same.

I think it's about 150-200kg difference in the hull weights.

And a 150-200k difference in price.....

Well not that much but a serious difference

[Lat21]

Maybe I missed it in one of the videos or posts, but is Decision an 'R' version or 'GP' version? I assume the latter since it is hard to imagine there is an even faster 40 footer available.

[SR CHIEF (RET)]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

[Bull Gator]

The 40 footer on the front page looks to be a lot faster

Better looking too....

[Heriberto]

Sounds like they are sailing with 150-200kg of water inside now.

[Heriberto]

The 40 footer on the front page looks to be a lot faster

Better looking too....

Knock knock puddin' head. I mean, how do make it through the day?

This boat IS the one on the front page.

[Bull Gator]

I thought the boat on the front page had a broken mast?

[Polaris]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

[Heriberto]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are all "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

They're there, you're not?

[SR CHIEF (RET)]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are all "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

They're there, you're not?

Well, the "fucking word", was used alot... i have used that adjective alot...however.. racing that fucking thing all the way to bermuda and beating very soundly 65 footers! i give them a pass for using the fucking word alot!

[Heriberto]

I would say early am on day three (yes, third "day") racing a boat like that in those conditions, you are excused for being punchy, exuberant and coarse language.

[SR CHIEF (RET)]

I would say early am on day three (yes, third "day") racing a boat like that in those conditions, you are excused for being punchy, exuberant and coarse language.

Concur... LMAO!!! Pretty sure those guys will have a few rums tonite...

[ColinG]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are all "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

They're there, you're not?

Well, the "fucking word", was used alot... i have used that adjective alot...however.. racing that fucking thing all the fucking way to fucking bermuda and fucking beating very fucking soundly 65 fucking footers! i give them a fucking pass for using the fucking word a- fucking -lot!

Fixed it for ya

[BigUnit]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are all "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

They're there, you're not?

The Cone already did it. 30 foot Sporty. This is as big a story as Buzz Aldrin.

[Flatbag]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss my mother with those dirty mouths.

[wastedandwounded]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

As the boat is from Nawlins, they may have been inspired by the late Professor Creighton Bernette.




The appropriateness of attitude and language is situational. Like Creighton, they earned the right to an F word or two,

[2XD]

Fucking awesome these guys are! taking a 40' sporty through the stream to the rock! Great sailing Decision, the crew and owner you guys rock!

They are all "Fucking" talkers, where the word "Fucking" replaces every adjective to make them look really cool on video. And they kiss their mothers with those dirty mouths.

They're there, you're not?

The Cone already did it. 30 foot Sporty. This is as big a story as Buzz Aldrin.

ha ha exactly. wow a sporty boat going downhill in 25kn breeze, WOW a legend

[Terrorvision]

They got 2nd in ORR and 1st in IRC- can't argue the results!

Fuckin' well played fuckers!

[2XD]

They got 2nd in ORR and 1st in IRC- can't argue the results!

Fuckin' well played fuckers!

race was made for them, did they even get on the breeze?

[GME]

awesome job..... to come out and win a lighthouse like that is impressive! It doesn't matter if the conditions favored them or not. everyone knows that in order to win this ( or any ) race you have to be well prepared and ready to rock and then have a little karma on your side. Some years it is a big boat race some years it is a little boat race.....this year it was a race for a new rocket...... Hope it spurs more interest in boats like this.

Well done!

[2XD]

yeah sorry well done. good effort

[Donjoman]

They won their class.. kudos.

But the bigger boats smashed all on corrected
http://bermudaracead...IRCResults.html

[Heriberto]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

[fingerbang]

cone.

[DriverEd]

You going to take this Tuffie? They are talking about the Cone!

[fetzer24]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

Peerless 2 - Cone 0 in Chi-Mac's.....

[eliboat]

Cone got destroyed in the 2006 Newport to Bermuda as well

[ropetrick]

Cone should have raced this year, it was the conditions it was designed for.

[BalticBandit]

cone.

Cone cone

[Presuming Ed]

Lovely cone, wonderful cone.

[scottmax]

The 40 footer on the front page looks to be a lot faster

Better looking too....

Knock knock puddin' head. I mean, how do make it through the day?

This boat IS the one on the front page.

I think you may find he is referring to Mitch Booths new 40` Kuka Light. This would be a interesting match up with big claims of "the fastest 40 foot boat in the world".

[Bull Gator]

Thank you for noticing I was wondering when hairybutto would figure it out. Apparently never

[Heriberto]

Thank you for noticing I was wondering when hairybutto would figure it out. Apparently never

Oh, so sorry BG, the Google translator for Bull Gator to human language was broken. Two videos, three stories, and the current thread titled "Carkeek" discussing the "Carkeek" and you were talking about the other boat. The one you later describe as dismasted.

Thanks for your input, very enlightening. Fascinating even.

[Bull Gator]

Please delete your obscenities..

[Grrr...]

Please delete the obscenities..

Sorry, I tried about a dozen times to delete your name from the login database, and it isn't working. Perhaps Dawg can help out.

[Bull Gator]

So can we agree? The kuka light is better looking and most likely faster..

[Heriberto]

Reminds me of the time I did a post wishing godspeed to the recently deceased owner of the Green Parrot and BG had to chime in with his stupid bullshit about how there are better bars in Florida and the Parrot sucks. I mean, what the fuck?

Mental illness, like DoRag, but fucking congratulations delta bravo, it's all about you now.

[BigUnit]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

[fetzer24]

I can't believe those grown men were saying bad words after 48 hours at sea....what a bunch of fucking assholes.

[fetzer24]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

[MR.CLEAN]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

Yeah but you're aussie cunts; the same people that wrestle vipers and beat the crap out of kangeroos and ride great white sharks. We're just a bunch of american cunts, so it's way more extreme.


o the cone.

[Mexican]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

Yeah but you're aussie cunts; the same people that wrestle vipers and beat the crap out of kangeroos and ride great white sharks. We're just a bunch of american cunts, so it's way more extreme.


o the cone.

Now come on Alan. You know that we're all for cunts calling cunts cunt, but at least get your facts straight. We don't have vipers in Australia.

Mex

[MSA]

But we do have Dingos that "officially" steal babies...

[STYACHT]

So can we agree? The kuka light is better looking and most likely faster..

I am pretty familiar with both, through Guinness, and I think Kuka Light will be faster if and when the two ever meet. The Decision and her two sisters are pretty damned nice boats though! Congrats to the Murray's and to Shaun.

That line up is not going to happen soon, unless the Murray's are planning on a European tour. Better looking? You be the judge!

For the record, I am not making any claims to Cleans title, as Kuka is just over 41 feet on the waterline. Just saying with parameters the far side of an IMOCA rather than those of a TP, I like our chances on an ocean course.

[2XD]

The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments

[frayedsheet]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

Yeah but you're aussie cunts; the same people that wrestle vipers and beat the crap out of kangeroos and ride great white sharks. We're just a bunch of american cunts, so it's way more extreme.


o the cone.

Now come on Alan. You know that we're all for cunts calling cunts cunt, but at least get your facts straight. We don't have vipers in Australia.

Mex

Lots of Vipers in Oz actually!

[Polaris]

You guys need some cheese to go with your whine?

Yes, The Cone, The Cone, The Cone. How can we forget about The Cone? Thank god we have you guys to remind us, again, about The Cone. The Cone is unrivalled, unrepeatable. After The Cone, nothing means so much anymore. Aren't even the VOR70's really just longer, more comfortable versions of The Cone? The Cone laughs in the face of all other sailing accomplishments. They've been there, done that, have the temporary tattoo AND the T-shirt.

But I seem to remember The Peerless kicking The Cone's ass in the Mac. Was I wrong about that? Billy was on that boat too, by coincidence....

Congrats on the W, Decision boys, well deserved. You can say "fuck" if you want. It's not just for Sunday morning.

There's no whine mate. Just pointing out that all the prepubescent "OMG they are in a 40 foot sporty going to bermuda!!! They're so tough! They're so brave! They're so cutting edge!!" is a bit overdone when we all know it's been done in a boat 10 foot shorter, several years previously that was easily a more extreme design.

Yeah but you're aussie cunts; the same people that wrestle vipers and beat the crap out of kangeroos and ride great white sharks. We're just a bunch of american cunts, so it's way more extreme.


o the cone.

Good job on the race, Al. What kind of conditions did the design make it's biggest gains on the competition? (To help you better relate to the inquiry, insert the word "fucking" in front of each noun)

[Mexican]

Yeah but you're aussie cunts; the same people that wrestle vipers and beat the crap out of kangeroos and ride great white sharks. We're just a bunch of american cunts, so it's way more extreme.


o the cone.

Now come on Alan. You know that we're all for cunts calling cunts cunt, but at least get your facts straight. We don't have vipers in Australia.

Mex

Lots of Vipers in Oz actually!

I was expecting that from Rawhide....

Mex

[MR.CLEAN]

Good job on the race, Al. What kind of conditions did the design make it's biggest gains on the competition? (To help you better relate to the inquiry, insert the word "fucking" in front of each noun)

Thanks bro. More of a question for our Nav than me, but it seemed like anytime the wind was further aft than about 105 true, we crushed, and in the transition zone, we stretched on those behind and caught those in front. What amazed me most was that we were ahead of Rima (55) and Conviction (TP52) for most of the race. Only the tightish part of the course (TWA 75-90, 12-15 knots) saw those guys leg out on us.

The boat accelerates far quicker than any TP52 I've been on. At only 8,000 lbs and with massive, catamaran-like stability and huge planing surface area underneath, you could often get planing just by going down the backside of a wave. When the waves were behind, you were almost always going over and through them, rarely getting overtaken and bogged down.

A little qualification: The Cone is one of the baddest boats in the history of racing, and if it weren't for them (and a few nutters with david vs. goliath boats) things like the Carkeek might've not been designed for another decade. But having raced and spectated the Cone's performance in the past 5 years, she is more of a one-trick pony than the Carkeek is. Sure, if it's blowing 25 on the nose and is expected to continue, you might as well turn around and go home in either boat. But the Carkeek seems quite a bit more versatile overall, in part thanks to her huge stability and big-ass sails.

[Heriberto]

The difference in IRC and ORR results was really surprising. I would have thought IRC did not favor the Carkeek, but it sucks having to race in the same devision as a boat that is over 50% longer (or over 50% shorter for that matter), regardless of the ability to plane/surf. The boats were basically sailing in different weather conditions at 60-80 miles apart.

[MR.CLEAN]

Oh and BTW, the owner of the Cone is coming racing with us on Friday. Decision knows where her roots are.

[Heriberto]

A little qualification: The Cone is one of the baddest boats in the history of racing, and if it weren't for them (and a few nutters with david vs. goliath boats) things like the Carkeek might've not been designed for another decade.

That's a little unfair Alan, you sell it short (no pun). if it hadn't have been for The Cone, sailing itself may not have been designed for another decade! Yea verily, there was no such thing as a "sport-boat" before The Cone. Asymmetrical spinnakers? Nobody ever heard of such a thing.

When someone invents cold fusion, then they'll be impressed. Maybe. Just don't over sell it by actually enjoying it.

Once you go "The Cone", you never go.... back. Or forward. Or whatever.

[MR.CLEAN]

A little qualification: The Cone is one of the baddest boats in the history of racing, and if it weren't for them (and a few nutters with david vs. goliath boats) things like the Carkeek might've not been designed for another decade.

That's a little unfair Alan, you sell it short (no pun). if it hadn't have been for The Cone, sailing itself may not have been designed for another decade! Yea verily, there was no such thing as a "sport-boat" before The Cone. Asymmetrical spinnakers? Nobody ever heard of such a thing.

When someone invents cold fusion, then they'll be impressed. Maybe. Just don't over sell it by actually enjoying it.

Once you go "The Cone", you never go.... back. Or forward. Or whatever.

There was also Tow Truck Mumm 30 in the Hobart, and the guys that raced the Chi-Mac on the Melges 24 in what, 2002? My point is that there have been relatively few "giant killers" in the world's major offshore races; the Cone was the most extreme and successful of those in her early days, and she opened a few eyes on what could really be tolerated in the name of beating the big boats.

[pogen]

Hmmm, so how would this Carkeek stack up against The General? (And please don't anyone rehash the whole paint scheme controversy.)

[Heriberto]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

[MR.CLEAN]

I also just learned that the pro/non-pro gibbs hill vs. St. David's division are irrelevant for IRC - in other words, there are awards for Gibbs Hill and St. David's overall in ORR, but IRC has only one overall award. Umm...ok.

[MR.CLEAN]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

Minis are not giant killers, mostly because they don't race events outside of Classe Mini sanctioned stuff. When they do, their go-fast features (canting keels, articulating poles, etc.) tend to give them ratings that make them uncompetitive, and their size means their outright speed is quite limited, though they will certainly fly under the right conditions.

[Sailing My Cubicle]

A little qualification: The Cone is one of the baddest boats in the history of racing, and if it weren't for them (and a few nutters with david vs. goliath boats) things like the Carkeek might've not been designed for another decade.

That's a little unfair Alan, you sell it short (no pun). if it hadn't have been for The Cone, sailing itself may not have been designed for another decade! Yea verily, there was no such thing as a "sport-boat" before The Cone. Asymmetrical spinnakers? Nobody ever heard of such a thing.

When someone invents cold fusion, then they'll be impressed. Maybe. Just don't over sell it by actually enjoying it.

Once you go "The Cone", you never go.... back. Or forward. Or whatever.

There was also Tow Truck Mumm 30 in the Hobart, and the guys that raced the Chi-Mac on the Melges 24 in what, 2002? My point is that there have been relatively few "giant killers" in the world's major offshore races; the Cone was the most extreme and successful of those in her early days, and she opened a few eyes on what could really be tolerated in the name of beating the big boats.

There's a whole "chuck norris" meme for the Cone:

The Cone doesn't plane, the earth adjusts it's axis.
The Cone doesn't go upwind, the wind go does down The Cone.
Strippers don't enter porn for the money, they enter porn to become wallpaper on the Cone.

[Heriberto]

Hey, how about that Carkeek 40? Helluva boat huh?

Would be great to see some videos or something of the Carkeek 40. SInce, in theory, that is what this thread was about.

[AClass USA 230]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

Minis are not giant killers, mostly because they don't race events outside of Classe Mini sanctioned stuff. When they do, their go-fast features (canting keels, articulating poles, etc.) tend to give them ratings that make them uncompetitive, and their size means their outright speed is quite limited, though they will certainly fly under the right conditions.

Decision is a really cool program but if you are going to keep talking about giant killers and if the NYYC ever allowed a multihull class in this event, I believe a stock Corsair 31-R or 31-1D sailing with a crew of 3-4 would have given Decision and the TP-52's a real run for the money for line honors and you would have been more comfortable. Considering you can buy a pretty decent 31-R or 31-1D for less than $180K on the used boat market, that's a lot of performance for the money. When you're not racing, you can also take the wife and kids daysailing.

My 24' long Sprint 750 sails at 9-10 knots upwind in any breeze strength over 12 knots. I think if I ever get the chance to line up in a race against Decision on the gulf coast and we have a windy upwind leg, they'll be seeing our ass end. But I think they will crush us downwind. We can't match the horsepower and have to throttle back when the breeze gets over 18 knots to keep our leeward floats happy. I think we'd max out safely at 17-18 knots where Decision is easily capable of +20 knots.

How bout dem apples.

[More Cowbell2]

>[/quote]There was also Tow Truck Mumm 30 in the Hobart, and the guys that raced the Chi-Mac on the Melges 24 in what, 2002?  My point is that there have been relatively few "giant killers" in the world's major offshore races; the Cone was the most extreme and successful of those in her early days, and she opened a few eyes on what could really be tolerated in the name of beating the big boats.[/quote]

Didn't those guys on the Melges 24 end up pitch poling and dropping out?

Still, that took balls of steel.

[Grinder]

Didn't those guys on the Melges 24 end up pitch poling and dropping out?

Still, that took balls of steel.

No, they finished the race, only to get bitched at by Dock masters

[MR.CLEAN]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

Minis are not giant killers, mostly because they don't race events outside of Classe Mini sanctioned stuff. When they do, their go-fast features (canting keels, articulating poles, etc.) tend to give them ratings that make them uncompetitive, and their size means their outright speed is quite limited, though they will certainly fly under the right conditions.

Decision is a really cool program but if you are going to keep talking about giant killers and if the NYYC ever allowed a multihull class in this event, I believe a stock Corsair 31-R or 31-1D sailing with a crew of 3-4 would have given Decision and the TP-52's a real run for the money for line honors and you would have been more comfortable. Considering you can buy a pretty decent 31-R or 31-1D for less than $180K on the used boat market, that's a lot of performance for the money. When you're not racing, you can also take the wife and kids daysailing.

My 24' long Sprint 750 sails at 9-10 knots upwind in any breeze strength over 12 knots. I think if I ever get the chance to line up in a race against Decision on the gulf coast and we have a windy upwind leg, they'll be seeing our ass end. But I think they will crush us downwind. We can't match the horsepower and have to throttle back when the breeze gets over 18 knots to keep our leeward floats happy. I think we'd max out safely at 17-18 knots where Decision is easily capable of +20 knots.

How bout dem apples.

No question. I said more than once that Decision was like a monohull version of the Nice Pair, and Geff's old boat would have LOVED this race. Similar speeds (thought he pair would have been doing 17 knot averages for much of this race), similar dampness, similar stability. Different price

[MR.CLEAN]

Hey, how about that Carkeek 40? Helluva boat huh?

Would be great to see some videos or something of the Carkeek 40. SInce, in theory, that is what this thread was about.

scary amount of video to go through right now.

[Terrorvision]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

Minis are not giant killers, mostly because they don't race events outside of Classe Mini sanctioned stuff. When they do, their go-fast features (canting keels, articulating poles, etc.) tend to give them ratings that make them uncompetitive, and their size means their outright speed is quite limited, though they will certainly fly under the right conditions.

Decision is a really cool program but if you are going to keep talking about giant killers and if the NYYC ever allowed a multihull class in this event, I believe a stock Corsair 31-R or 31-1D sailing with a crew of 3-4 would have given Decision and the TP-52's a real run for the money for line honors and you would have been more comfortable. Considering you can buy a pretty decent 31-R or 31-1D for less than $180K on the used boat market, that's a lot of performance for the money. When you're not racing, you can also take the wife and kids daysailing.

My 24' long Sprint 750 sails at 9-10 knots upwind in any breeze strength over 12 knots. I think if I ever get the chance to line up in a race against Decision on the gulf coast and we have a windy upwind leg, they'll be seeing our ass end. But I think they will crush us downwind. We can't match the horsepower and have to throttle back when the breeze gets over 18 knots to keep our leeward floats happy. I think we'd max out safely at 17-18 knots where Decision is easily capable of +20 knots.

How bout dem apples.

Could have bought an air ticket for a couple of hundred dollars and got there in a fraction of the time of a Farrier.

What was your point again?

[AClass USA 230]

Aside from that whole "Mini-Transat" thing.

Minis are not giant killers, mostly because they don't race events outside of Classe Mini sanctioned stuff. When they do, their go-fast features (canting keels, articulating poles, etc.) tend to give them ratings that make them uncompetitive, and their size means their outright speed is quite limited, though they will certainly fly under the right conditions.

Decision is a really cool program but if you are going to keep talking about giant killers and if the NYYC ever allowed a multihull class in this event, I believe a stock Corsair 31-R or 31-1D sailing with a crew of 3-4 would have given Decision and the TP-52's a real run for the money for line honors and you would have been more comfortable. Considering you can buy a pretty decent 31-R or 31-1D for less than $180K on the used boat market, that's a lot of performance for the money. When you're not racing, you can also take the wife and kids daysailing.

My 24' long Sprint 750 sails at 9-10 knots upwind in any breeze strength over 12 knots. I think if I ever get the chance to line up in a race against Decision on the gulf coast and we have a windy upwind leg, they'll be seeing our ass end. But I think they will crush us downwind. We can't match the horsepower and have to throttle back when the breeze gets over 18 knots to keep our leeward floats happy. I think we'd max out safely at 17-18 knots where Decision is easily capable of +20 knots.

How bout dem apples.

Could have bought an air ticket for a couple of hundred dollars and got there in a fraction of the time of a Farrier.

What was your point again?

Point is if you and I cannot afford a $500K custom 40' HPP race program that needs 8-9 sailors, we can have close to the same performance with a boat that is significantly less than half the cost of the custom program and is also a lot cheaper on the operating end. And the final bonus is we can take the boat day sailing and weekend cruising with the family after the racing is over. Too bad the NYYC Bermuda Race organizers will not allow a multihull class in this race. It would make it more interesting for sure.

[Terrorvision]

I'm sure the multihull sailors could organise one if there were enough of them.

[The Fish]

I'm sure the multihull sailors could organise one if there were enough of them.

Marion Bermuda? It would still be nice to be able to buy a ticket to the big show, however.

That said, apples to oranges. Decision's a super badass boat and a great group of guys. Congrats to 'em.

[Slim]

Hey, how about that Carkeek 40? Helluva boat huh?

Would be great to see some videos or something of the Carkeek 40. SInce, in theory, that is what this thread was about.

scary amount of video to go through right now.

Look forward to seeing it. You doing the Chi-Mac?

[MR.CLEAN]

unlikely, but if I'm around then yeah. I am also going to do a video walkthrough of the boat to show all the trick systems on board.

[SailRacer]

I like the look of the C 45.

[fetzer24]

Hey, how about that Carkeek 40? Helluva boat huh?

Would be great to see some videos or something of the Carkeek 40. SInce, in theory, that is what this thread was about.

scary amount of video to go through right now.

Look forward to seeing it. You doing the Chi-Mac?

Clean was actually banned from Mackinac Island.....something about the "No sheep across the bridge" thing....

[Hard Day's Night]

It is great to see boats like this being launched in the US. I think its progenitor is more like the RP45 Sjambok than anything else - lots of stability, huge sail area, untouchable reaching. In fact, I remember a conversation with Stephen after the big Pineapple Cup in 2007 when we put the old Decision (ex TP52 Rosebud) from horizon ahead to hull down behind in 6 hours as the wind built. 484 nm in 24 hours (32 knots top speed) which isn't bad for a 45 footer. Of course, it has its drawbacks - no hope saving your time upwind, but when the conditions are right better than anything one could imagine, so it's worth it.

One minor suggestion is to build a detachable, offshore companion way hatch hood (see videos of Sjambok on youtube). Without that we'd have sunk quite a few times.

Awesome job the whole crew!

[Grinder]

The name Carkeek troubles me greatly.

[MR.CLEAN]

Gammel lives in New Orleans too. We had more NO'ers for the Annual regatta, but i don't think they could get the time. Most of this group has been sailing with Stephen for years and years. I am the only real newbie to the group, though i seem to fit in fine

[Windward Mark]

A little qualification: The Cone is one of the baddest boats in the history of racing, and if it weren't for them (and a few nutters with david vs. goliath boats) things like the Carkeek might've not been designed for another decade.

That's a little unfair Alan, you sell it short (no pun). if it hadn't have been for The Cone, sailing itself may not have been designed for another decade! Yea verily, there was no such thing as a "sport-boat" before The Cone. Asymmetrical spinnakers? Nobody ever heard of such a thing.

When someone invents cold fusion, then they'll be impressed. Maybe. Just don't over sell it by actually enjoying it.

Once you go "The Cone", you never go.... back. Or forward. Or whatever.

There was also Tow Truck Mumm 30 in the Hobart, and the guys that raced the Chi-Mac on the Melges 24 in what, 2002? My point is that there have been relatively few "giant killers" in the world's major offshore races; the Cone was the most extreme and successful of those in her early days, and she opened a few eyes on what could really be tolerated in the name of beating the big boats.

Remind me again what the Cone actually won? For memory a couple of PHS races but that was it. Tow Truck was far more successful winning multiple races on IRC overall and toughed it out on the uphill races also......

Unless by successful you mean building a one off boat with nothing else like it that beat up a few boats a fair bit bigger than her, then yeah, she was pretty darn successful in 2 or 3 races over a 3 year period.

Oh, and the Carkeek looks awesome, but still prefer the Ker for the long IRC offshore stuff. Well done on your result.

[mezaire]

Hmmm, so how would this Carkeek stack up against The General? (And please don't anyone rehash the whole paint scheme controversy.)

Interesting question that no one else has answered!!

The General rates around 1.19 and from the results from The Bermuda Race (back calculated as the TCC is not actually stated) I am guessing Decision comes in at around 1.27.
That's nearly 5min an hour the Carkeek has to make up!!

[MSA]

GP 42 @ 1.239 can beat the General.
Farr 40 @ 1.164 can beat the General.
Many other race result will show other less well know boats can beat it.

I am lost as to why people think it is some kind of machine.. Sure the sailors are good and it is a well put together team, but it is by no means unbeatable or some revolutionary yacht.

[Footlong]

The name Carkeek troubles me greatly.

How about we jumble the letters and Make it Keerack?
It's a lot easier to say and remember.

[AClass USA 230]

I'm sure the multihull sailors could organise one if there were enough of them.

It's not in their court as the organizing authority does not allow a multihull class for this event.

It does not make sense that with the AC being held in multihulls and all of the ocean crossing and circumnavigation records being held by ocean multihulls, that the CCA and the Royal Bermuda YC have not changed with the times and allowed a multihull class for this race. It would certainly broaden the appeal of the event. I could see several east coast and Great Lakes Farrier/Corsair programs wanting to participate and I think you would probably see some Gunboats want to participate. The Gunboat 66 Phaedo raced the Caribbean 600 and the NYYC Transatlantic race last year. Why would a boat like this be excluded from the Bermuda Race?

Sorry for hijacking the thread. Congrats again to Decision, very well done!

[STYACHT]

Point is if you and I cannot afford a $500K custom 40' HPP race program that needs 8-9 sailors, we can have close to the same performance with a boat that is significantly less than half the cost of the custom program and is also a lot cheaper on the operating end. And the final bonus is we can take the boat day sailing and weekend cruising with the family after the racing is over. Too bad the NYYC Bermuda Race organizers will not allow a multihull class in this race. It would make it more interesting for sure.

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