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[-Julian-]

Okay,

so this is not the first time that I have attemped splicing. I can do eye splices in amsteel no problem, 3 strand too. I made a set of mooring lines out of some sort of core and jacket (no brand on the spool), but here I am trying to splice a technical braid, Samson Warpspeed (1/4 " to be specific).

From the guide i found,

www.pyacht.com/SAM-Warpspeed-Splice.pdf

It really looks like the cover never makes it back into itself, and just gets whipped over after the core goes in. Is that right? has anybody tried to splice this line (for a halyard) with a conventionl covered eye splice, where the cover goes into the core, and the core goes into the core, then gets milked back into the cover?

Results? Advice?

Thanks,
J

[F27Raptor]

J,

Like you, I have done some splicing with double braid polyester and 12 strand.

I did a couple splices with Endura (New England Ropes), which I believe is similar to Warpspeed. This splice was more challenging.

This is the splicing instruction for Endura. http://www.neropes.c...CoreToCore.aspx

The strength is in the core to core splice. For Endura, they recommend a very short tail bury, but the instructions say that not all will be able to bury the cover. If I had it to do over again, I would just stitch the cover and whip over as your instructions show.

I did this for a mail halyard, used it a dozen times, and no sign of failure.

Good luck,
Todd

[Wet Spreaders]

Stitch the cover. The cover is too tight to get the core and cover buried, so it's best to focus on burying the core and sew the cover down neatly outside.

[-Julian-]

Thanks a lot for the answers,

That is what i ended up doing for a splice in Marlow excel, but thought i should ask for advice before i tear into an expensive line such as this one.

[jaybird1111]

Per Brion Toss: cover not buried, is whipped or shrink-tube wrapped at the throat

[Super Delegate]

I prefer to taper and bury the cover in all core to core splices. It requires a little more work, and its hardly a structural necessity, but it is cleaner and makes the splice tighter.

Everytime I see a mangled cover stitching in an eyesplice, a little part of me dies inside.

[USA190520]

I prefer to taper and bury the cover in all core to core splices. It requires a little more work, and its hardly a structural necessity, but it is cleaner and makes the splice tighter.

Everytime I see a mangled cover stitching in an eyesplice, a little part of me dies inside.

+1

[overdraft]

i was hoping to leave the cover on a warpspeed halyard which has a red core... red loses its colour and looks crappy so quickly in the sun and i'm not super concerned about saving the weight so i'm not goint to taper it. but the 'official' warpspeed 'cover on' eye splice looks pretty ghetto with the flap of cover left over to be sewn down...

has anyone tried cutting the cover back to expose enough core to complete a tuck and sew splice, pull the core out at the throat of the eye to complete the splice and then milk it all back inside the cover?

worlds most horrible illustration to horrify and clarify:



wow, that looks like a turd! sorry gang!

[casc27]

i was hoping to leave the cover on a warpspeed halyard which has a red core... red loses its colour and looks crappy so quickly in the sun and i'm not super concerned about saving the weight so i'm not goint to taper it. but the 'official' warpspeed 'cover on' eye splice looks pretty ghetto with the flap of cover left over to be sewn down...

has anyone tried cutting the cover back to expose enough core to complete a tuck and sew splice, pull the core out at the throat of the eye to complete the splice and then milk it all back inside the cover?

worlds most horrible illustration to horrify and clarify:



wow, that looks like a turd! sorry gang!

Godamn! See a doctor quick. There is something seriously wrong with your insides!!!

[hawaiiseadog]

Some points to add to the discussion.....

In the case of double braid where the cover and core are the same material, you bury both the core and cover. You need to do this to maintain the total strength (roughly 1/2 in the core, and 1/2 in the cover).

In the case of a high modulus core, you absolutely need to bury the core. It is unclear to me if burying the cover will have any impact on the strength of the splice. But the advantage of a buried cover is the "tidy-ness" verses the advantage of the non-buried cover which is smaller diameter (and ease of finishing the splice.

Having said that, I like to finish my eye splices with a nice whipping, and so buried or not, the cover can be whipped over tightly and if done well you might not even be able to tell the difference.....

PS: I almost always do em twice too..... because I always forget to put the freakin shackle on!

[markvannote]

Okay,

so this is not the first time that I have attemped splicing. I can do eye splices in amsteel no problem, 3 strand too. I made a set of mooring lines out of some sort of core and jacket (no brand on the spool), but here I am trying to splice a technical braid, Samson Warpspeed (1/4 " to be specific).

From the guide i found,

www.pyacht.com/SAM-Warpspeed-Splice.pdf

It really looks like the cover never makes it back into itself, and just gets whipped over after the core goes in. Is that right? has anybody tried to splice this line (for a halyard) with a conventionl covered eye splice, where the cover goes into the core, and the core goes into the core, then gets milked back into the cover?

Results? Advice?

Thanks,
J

It is possible to splice Warpspeed with the cover burried into the core, thereby sucking it in with the splice and making a nicer looking splice. We will only do a flap-out eyesplice when completely necessary, typically on extremely old rope when it's a toss up between doing the job pretty and doing it at all. One note being that you are not doing yourself any favors doing your first core to core with 1/4" Warspeed. It is possible but but the friendliest of covers for sure.

The splice you describe in your second paragraph sounds like a Dacron eyesplice. Do not use this splice for high tech line. It will not meet the spliced break strength of the rope.

Thanks.
Mark