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#1 blahblahblah

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:53 PM

Smashed their rudder of the weather hull on a committee boat.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:17 PM

crucial timing.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:18 PM

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:21 PM

^^
Mmmmmmm! That should make the news pages and drum up a little more interest.

Could have been a real bad one.

I wanna see the video!

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:24 PM

Am amazed we have even those photos, wow.

Was the comm boat stationary?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

Saw JS's trick and then thought "hey guys, watch this......................."

crucial timing.
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It left a mark too.......................................

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

Looking at all the pix it appears the committee boat/mark boat was backing down pretty hard.

In the big shot, through the smoked glass of the wheelhouse, is that someone doing a runner off the foredeck?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

Looking at all the pix it appears the committee boat/mark boat was backing down pretty hard.

In the big shot, through the smoked glass of the wheelhouse, is that someone doing a runner off the foredeck?


Yes, there was a photographer on the bow who must have gotten some great shots. He hung in there until the last second and that's him ducking for cover.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:44 PM

When you see the whole sequence, http://www.thenewportbuzz.com/, there's a guy on the foredeck that, in the words of Homer, "plied swift knees."

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

Just who does dean think he is , jimmy spithell ?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

Haul out...

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Just looks like they cut things too fine. Buzzy Bee is hurt'n....

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:55 PM

Looks like Artemis came close as well...

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Did that 'Trashvision' have anything to do with the ETNZ manoeuvre I wonder - they look close?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:00 PM

Innnn Commmminggggg........................................



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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.co...SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:07 PM

You could say they caught a good buzz on the RC boat after Deano got flying high but with the rudder damage everything for the shore crew took a sudden turn for the worse :)

Is the chrome on the comm boat bent in that first shot?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:10 PM

You could say they caught a good buzz on the RC boat, after Deano got flying high, but with the rudder damage everything for the shore crew took a sudden turn for the worse :)

Is the chrome on the comm boat bent in that first shot?


Sure is after they got hit by that Emirates jet.

Fire, hit and run, what's next?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:10 PM

Treated as a somewhat ho-hum incident in the latest AC news release.

During Tuesday’s practice session, Emirates Team New Zealand had a collision with one of the mark boats in gusty conditions late in the afternoon. The initial assessment is that both boats suffered minor damage, with nothing serious enough to keep the Kiwis from racing on Thursday.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

When you see the whole sequence, http://www.thenewportbuzz.com/, there's a guy on the foredeck that, in the words of Homer, "plied swift knees."

Wow, good sequence there!

Lots of whitecaps, they may have been hit by a strong shift. edit: yep, 'gusty conditions' like in KJ's post above .. still, Deano, Jeez!

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:25 PM

looked pretty crowded out there

you'd think that would have at least a 50mtr exclusion zone around the marker boats

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

crucial timing.
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Picture by Carlo Borlenghi, of course

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:23 PM

Going by the sequence, it looks like the mark boat was going forward initially then stopped.

Guido's Farr 40 had a close look also!!

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

From ENTZ on FB:

Emirates Team New Zealand

It has been a good week of training in Newport since the sailing team arrived last week. The team raced without trimmer James Dagg though today who received a knock to the head and was taken to a doctor to be checked. James had come into contact with tactician Ray Davies’ elbow during a manoeuvre. Doctors cleared him to sail tomorrow. Then at the end of the third race the boat was damaged when it came into collision with a mark boat.
Barker says he had to luff to avoid a couple of spectator boats and lifted a hull to avoid the official boat. A collision could not be avoided and the port hull of the AC45 came into contact with the mark boat’s rail. “It probably looked more spectacular than it was. No one was hurt and neither boat suffered serious damage”
The Ac45’s under-rigging and the port rudder were damaged and will be repaired overnight. Barker says the AC45 will be back on the water tomorrow.



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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:01 AM

Like HHN pointed out about JS's close one: yes, Naragansett Bay is super-crowded.

Dixie, are you there?

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:06 AM

More photos here including a couple from the committee boat.

https://www.facebook...71409198&type=1

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:17 AM

More photos here including a couple from the committee boat.

https://www.facebook...71409198&type=1


Flirting with disaster stuff.

Incredible shots. A testament to the ruggedness of AC45s and Deano's driving.

Pix show they clipped the railings on both sides of the mark boat, coming and going. Still trying to figure out what happened with the mast support strut under the boat.

Edit -- It appears they wiped off all the underboat support stays.

Edit - Edit -- And just noticed the credit line for the onboard pix. Gilles Martin-Raget!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:27 AM

Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.com/search?q=hey+you+scratched+my+anchor&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DDDqT6vKA4Xn0QH286WtAQ&ved=0CDUQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media


"Judge Smailes"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MVL4wKnpx2U

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:11 AM


Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.com/search?q=hey+you+scratched+my+anchor&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DDDqT6vKA4Xn0QH286WtAQ&ved=0CDUQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media


"Judge Smailes"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MVL4wKnpx2U



That one ranks up there with animal house and slap shot in my book :D

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:31 AM



Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.com/search?q=hey+you+scratched+my+anchor&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DDDqT6vKA4Xn0QH286WtAQ&ved=0CDUQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media


"Judge Smailes"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MVL4wKnpx2U



That one ranks up there with animal house and slap shot in my book :D


"The last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.........................."

"Wang, what's with the pictures? It's a parking lot......................."


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:36 AM




Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.com/search?q=hey+you+scratched+my+anchor&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DDDqT6vKA4Xn0QH286WtAQ&ved=0CDUQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media


"Judge Smailes"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MVL4wKnpx2U



That one ranks up there with animal house and slap shot in my book :D


"The last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.........................."

"Wang, what's with the pictures? It's a parking lot......................."


Let's not forget

" do you want to tie me up with your tie, Tye "

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 03:43 PM

Just who does dean think he is , jimmy spithell ?



Nuh!

Chris Dickson!

#31 Te Kooti

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 03:48 PM

Deano hit the RC boat because he had to luff up to avoid spectator boats.

If Newport cannot control spectator boats we have a problem.

Also, local boaters there should think about what they are doing.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:26 PM

Deano hit the RC boat because he had to luff up to avoid spectator boats.

If Newport cannot control spectator boats we have a problem.

Also, local boaters there should think about what they are doing.


Let's get this cleared up - the 'Louis Vuitton' boats (there are two) are 'Pay per View' (pa$enger carrying) Mark Boats. The 'committee' boat (below) was not hit, (and does not carry extraneous personnel - not after Valencia!Posted Image)

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:07 PM


Deano hit the RC boat because he had to luff up to avoid spectator boats.



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Carlo Borlenghi must have been in one of the boats in the background at the right, when he shot this one. Hard to tell just how necessary it was to swerve quite that hard.. but it's a good story :)

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:20 PM

AC Race Tracker showing TNZ on the water for practice day sailing. Must not have been much rudder damage, if any.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:25 PM

Deano hit the RC boat because he had to luff up to avoid spectator boats.

If Newport cannot control spectator boats we have a problem.

Also, local boaters there should think about what they are doing.


Blaming someone else ? That doesn't sound like the old kewee way :)

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:37 PM

AC Race Tracker showing TNZ on the water for practice day sailing. Must not have been much rudder damage, if any.

Or else they may be using a spare, perhaps even from one of the spare boats. Should be able to tell after today's photos, especially if the Buzy Bee is missing.

There is what ~could~ be some falling carbon visible just below the comm boat's bow in this shot

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source/credit here

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:42 PM

^ Otoh if this was the only impact then it could have been quite soft

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:48 PM

^
Apparently not, as not only the rudder hit: http://www.kiwiyacht...t-our-best-work

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

^
Apparently not, as not only the rudder hit: http://www.kiwiyacht...t-our-best-work


Bingo, yes the rudder hit was elsewhere, the one above must have been from the king-post

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Just a little less elevation and this could have been real serious.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:17 PM

The hit on the bow might have been from the dolphin striker or the beam. Lucky they weren't on soft sails, as the king post under the mast (which would be much more loaded than with a wing) would have gone and the front beam would have folded.

BTW, I call BS on luffing to avoid spectators, they just got hit by a puff.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:30 PM

The hit on the bow might have been from the dolphin striker or the beam. Lucky they weren't on soft sails, as the king post under the mast (which would be much more loaded than with a wing) would have gone and the front beam would have folded.

BTW, I call BS on luffing to avoid spectators, they just got hit by a puff.


And I'll take what he said.....


.............Unfortunately on the sail in things really went badly for us. We had to avoid some spectator boats and as we headed up to avoid them went into a big hull fly which I was certain going to result in a capsize. As we rounded up the boat decided not to go all the way over but unfortunately one of the Race Committee mark boats who was heading in found themselves on a collision course with us. We managed to fly our windward hull over their bow and hit them with both the King post and under rigging which broke, and then damaging our windward rudder on their bow railing. Things could have been a whole lot worse but thanks to the good work of our shore crew the boat is already back in one piece and ready to go again tomorrow.


The one lesson from today is that you need to have respect for these boats at all times. The minute you relax or lose concentration things can happen so quickly. And none too timely a lesson either with the 72 not too far away.



Dean



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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:42 PM

From the Fish, D minus 1

The downward extension of the mast, which we used to call the 'dolphin striker,' together with all its attendant rigging was ripped away by the bow and guardrails of the mark boat, and the Kiwis were perhaps luck that the rig remained intact and upright. Then the rudder, after hitting the guard rails, impacted on the mark boat's windscreen and more damage ensued. The result was the foil was broken and the entire removable aft section of the hull, which contains the rudder unit, was badly damaged and has had to be replaced.

http://www.sail-worl...he-races?/99013

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

From the Fish, D minus 1

The downward extension of the mast, which we used to call the 'dolphin striker,' together with all its attendant rigging was ripped away by the bow and guardrails of the mark boat, and the Kiwis were perhaps luck that the rig remained intact and upright. Then the rudder, after hitting the guard rails, impacted on the mark boat's windscreen and more damage ensued. The result was the foil was broken and the entire removable aft section of the hull, which contains the rudder unit, was badly damaged and has had to be replaced.

http://www.sail-world.com:80/USA/Fishers-View:-Day-minus-1-ACWS-Newport---Will-they-come-to-the-races?/99013


There goes DB's insurance rates :)

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:21 PM

^ Yep, the more you think about it, the scarier that incident was.

GMR was lucky to see it coming in time, and lucky to have an escape path; those inside the cabin are lucky the blade didn't go right through their windshield; and if the heel angle had been just fractionally less then those on board the 45, some of them already clinging precariously because of the almost-broach, might have had a very serious impact onto who-knows-what as a really big collision happened.

Am now thinking that DB took a calculated risk when he anticipated the larger of those nearby spec boats moving into his path, maybe over-reacted slightly, but he came damn close to making it cleanly. And, amazingly, nobody got hurt. Whew!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:25 PM





Hey Smalls you bent my rudder !



http://www.google.com/search?q=hey+you+scratched+my+anchor&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DDDqT6vKA4Xn0QH286WtAQ&ved=0CDUQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|SZXo8EUB97MS1M:[/media


"Judge Smailes"

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MVL4wKnpx2U



That one ranks up there with animal house and slap shot in my book :D


"The last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.........................."

"Wang, what's with the pictures? It's a parking lot......................."


Let's not forget

" do you want to tie me up with your tie, Tye "

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:28 PM

those things are far too powered up to be sailing in close proximity to

pleasure craft that may or may not be even looking occasionally in their direction

from deano's comment it appear there was a moment at the very start of the gust?

where they may have been able to steer out of a collision

but they were winding down and missed that window

then the choices seem to have been

1. let the gust lay the boat over and probably damage the wing and have crew falling etc

or

2. try to fly over the incoming marker boat and hope nothing hits

no brakes on over-powered cats that can crack 30knots

they need space

or skill and predictable traffic movements

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:59 PM

Yep, they need space. If you look at the various photos and amateur vids out there from yesterday, you'll see close encounters with powered up AC45's; complete with audible gasps from those on board boats that experienced close-by's.
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From The Independent

French
photographer Gilles Martin-Raget narrowly escaped serious injury or worse when
a barely in control Team New Zealand hit a mark boat on which he was working
for the America’s Cup World Series in Narragansett Bay ahead of the final
regatta of the series, which starts Thursday.
http://www.independe...ol-7893444.html

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:41 AM

^ Yep, the more you think about it, the scarier that incident was.


Anyone still planning build mark boats with bleachers for VIPs and high-rollers? That was mooted at one time.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:54 AM


Deano hit the RC boat because he had to luff up to avoid spectator boats.

If Newport cannot control spectator boats we have a problem.

Also, local boaters there should think about what they are doing.


Let's get this cleared up - the 'Louis Vuitton' boats (there are two) are 'Pay per View' (pa$enger carrying) Mark Boats. The 'committee' boat (below) was not hit, (and does not carry extraneous personnel - not after Valencia!Posted Image)

Posted Image
photo © Giles Martin-Raget : all rights reserved

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Nice! Ballsy work by GMR...that's gotta be the photo of week...FRONT PAGE THAT SHIT!

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:33 AM

it's not a dolphin

but we'll strike it

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:40 PM

Agreed ... GMR is one of the AC nice-guys.

I am glad he got out of the way.

But I still think control of "spectator" (and other) boats on the race course is an issue.




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