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#1 Bob Perry

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:22 PM

Well, I think my work is done with this client and I can see he is off in good form.
Luckily I have another Swedish client.

You must check this out.

http://jyllands-post...icle4734964.ece

My good buddy TomL has moved back to Denmark and he sent me this link.
Tom always flew out for the rendezvous and spent a few days at the shack. Not this year.
I don't like change. My habits and my traditions are my snug harbors.
I don't like the mental lee shore.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:38 PM

Well, I think my work is done with this client and I can see he is off in good form.
Luckily I have another Swedish client.

You must check this out.

http://jyllands-post...icle4734964.ece

My good buddy TomL has moved back to Denmark and he sent me this link.
Tom always flew out for the rendezvous and spent a few days at the shack. Not this year.
I don't like change. My habits and my traditions are my snug harbors.
I don't like the mental lee shore.


What's it rate?

#3 jackdaw

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:54 PM

Love it. Not much slide slipping in that design.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:02 PM

Don't leave that window with the wind wagon film open in your browser! I clicked back to what I was working on and then heard the next video load and the Swedish narration and clicked back to stop the gibberish, just in time to see the kid from the keys with the speargun through his head!

Loved the wind wagon, I want to go to Burning Man with something like this. Can we charter it for the WLYDO entry? Is Tom the guy speaking?

Congrats on the new client and design Bob!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:06 PM

That would certainly make the commute a lot more fun. "Hey, let's go luff up that 18 wheeler"

Hmmm... Burning Man...

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:09 PM

Looks like another classic S&S design to me. You can't confuse that transom with any other designer

#7 Courtney K

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:14 PM

Who needs water, it's over-rated anyway.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:16 PM

That would certainly make the commute a lot more fun. "Hey, let's go luff up that 18 wheeler"

Hmmm... Burning Man...


Jose knows what I'm thinking...

Sorry but we have already been legislated out of Burning Man. What is an Anarchist to do?

Certain Wind-Powered Vehicles
Certain types of wind-powered vehicles are allowed within Black Rock City limits. Registration and licensing of these vehicles is not required; however, these vehicles are subject to all of the BRC driving rules listed above. Drivers are encouraged to decorate their crafts.


Wind-powered vehicles allowed in Black Rock City must have the following characteristics:

  • An effective mechanical braking system
  • A pivoting mast
  • Weight of no more than 50 pounds; an additional 30-50 pounds should be allowed for small trailers (in general, the vehicle should be easily hoisted above the head of the operator)
  • Operational only while operator is standing


But wait, there is hope!


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8rmBIAhGLks

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:21 PM

A recent PBS program described how the Dutch built and used wind wagons in the early 1800's. They were said to be able to travel as fast as a horse could run. It was called The History of Science. I think they ought to get a big masthead assym for that thing for those light air days and tack downwind of course.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:31 AM

Good call on that Burning Man . Get one of those desert squalls and that puppy would be warp speed. Bob you need to pen something for burning man. That's one venue I need to take in before I deep six.

That would certainly make the commute a lot more fun. "Hey, let's go luff up that 18 wheeler"

Hmmm... Burning Man...





#11 Moonduster

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:42 AM

At the very least, could you do us a favor and just start one thread and post all this malarkey there?

#12 Ishmael

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:43 AM

At the very least, could you do us a favor and just start one thread and post all this malarkey there?


Do Rag?

#13 Rasputin22

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:44 AM

I found out that we can make a "Desert Schooner' entry under the 'mutant vehicle' category as spelled out under the DMV (Department of Mutant Vehicles) regulations as stated by the Burning Man authorities. I'd love to get Bob to do one one his much beloved 'cartoon' sketches as a blueprint for a SA/WLYDO entry and I bet Jose and his connections can bring this to fruition. The 'mutant vehicle' regs clearly state the speed limits and control authority that must be demostrated to the "DMV Hotties" who are responsible for scrutinizing all entries. But once out of the 'Black Rock City' limits we can pop the screacher and let out rig just rip across the salt pans. The square rigger I posted was reported to reach 18 knots, but with the talent we have at out disposal I think we can best that easily. Jose, are you in? Rasp.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:52 AM

At the very least, could you do us a favor and just start one thread and post all this malarkey there?


Sorry Moonduster,

I'm am looking forward to further news on Bob's new client myself and am guilty of a hijack here but don't think that it was too off topic with the link to the prairie schooner. I think that Bob would be the first to join in the fun if SA and the WLYDO could conjure such a craft and actually join in the fun and debauchery that Burning Man represents so if Bob deems it proper to take this to a separate thread, so be it.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:01 AM

Good luck with the Swedes.

You know they love safety and health (they probably invented seat belts and heated seats). Think clip in safety lines with tracks - the tether pays out when moving slowly but lock if you move fast, a helmsman seat with lumbar support and a headrest - heated of course. A heated wheel would be nice for preventing arthritis. Particulate emission trap for the engine, turbo etc ...... HEPA filters in the dorades........

I almost forgot. Lots of cannons, maybe an extra deck just for cannons!

Here's a shot I took of a local boat in Händelöp near Vestervik on the east cost.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:08 AM

Well, I think my work is done with this client and I can see he is off in good form.
Luckily I have another Swedish client.

You must check this out.

http://jyllands-posten.dk/timeout/article4734964.ece

My good buddy TomL has moved back to Denmark and he sent me this link.
Tom always flew out for the rendezvous and spent a few days at the shack. Not this year.
I don't like change. My habits and my traditions are my snug harbors.
I don't like the mental lee shore.



sloop version.........

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#17 Soņadora

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:22 AM

count me in 1000% on the burning man desert schooner

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:30 AM

count me in 1000% on the burning man desert schooner

Me too, but only if we make it a ketch rig. Gotta watch out for the air draft on the ICW, you know. ;)

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:33 AM


count me in 1000% on the burning man desert schooner

Me too, but only if we make it a ketch rig. Gotta watch out for the air draft on the ICW, you know. ;)


A brigantine or better. More masts, more cannons.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:26 AM

I am TOTALLY IN on the Burning Man Schooner (BMS?). But I do think the BMS needs to have at least one Signal Cannon and a mess of laser lights to go with the music. After all, a CA BMS has to have music. I detect a road trip to The Playa in the future of CA!!! Ya!!!

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:32 AM

At the very least, could you do us a favor and just start one thread and post all this malarkey there?


Who pissed in your Wheaties?

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:34 AM

WYLDO does burning man, the mind boggles at the possibilities!!

I'll bring the disco bikkies.:ph34r: Do check with your doctor first.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:11 PM

Burning Man is selling out within a few weeks of open ticket sales.
Get yer tickets early...

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:26 PM

Burning Man is selling out within a few weeks of open ticket sales.
Get yer tickets early...


WTF ??!!?!? Tickets to Burning Man? But yes, seriously, you need tickets to go to Burning Man nowadays.

Anarchy isn't what it used to be.

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#25 Soņadora

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:06 PM

We need to do a drowning man

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 07:50 PM

We need to do a drowning man


Brilliant!

#27 Ishmael

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:06 AM


We need to do a drowning man


Brilliant!


It will have to be someplace warm. Very warm.

What are you thinking, maybe a 500-boat raftup? That would be interesting, to say the least.

#28 Presuming Ed

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:46 AM

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 10:02 AM

I'm not sure a "floating" Burning Man thing would be as successful.

The whole idea is for trippers/alternative thinkers/artists to have a place to interact without anyone getting into trouble and no neighbors to get upset. An "open space"

"Afloat" this could become problematic!!

Just occurred to me that Spike was a Burning Man candidate, he would have loved it.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:15 PM

So..... if we start now.... we could have a schooner by around next year's Burning Man.....

I'm just saying....

Sort of pointing this out to everyone.....

'case you didn't notice.....



BV

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:48 PM

So..... if we start now.... we could have a schooner by around next year's Burning Man.....

I'm just saying....

Sort of pointing this out to everyone.....

'case you didn't notice.....



BV


Here's some CA-style inspiration.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:16 PM

I'm cinfused. Why does the non-blue one look cold?


So..... if we start now.... we could have a schooner by around next year's Burning Man.....

I'm just saying....

Sort of pointing this out to everyone.....

'case you didn't notice.....



BV


Here's some CA-style inspiration.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 10:07 PM

It's not just the cold that does that ND

She actually looks quite hot to me.

#34 Soņadora

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:26 AM

I'm not sure a "floating" Burning Man thing would be as successful.

The whole idea is for trippers/alternative thinkers/artists to have a place to interact without anyone getting into trouble and no neighbors to get upset. An "open space"

"Afloat" this could become problematic!!


No one said it had to be on water. Instead of setting a giant guy on fire, we drown 'im.


as for not blue being cold, I'm just thinking it's post-fondling. Happens all the time.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 12:42 PM


I'm not sure a "floating" Burning Man thing would be as successful.

The whole idea is for trippers/alternative thinkers/artists to have a place to interact without anyone getting into trouble and no neighbors to get upset. An "open space"

"Afloat" this could become problematic!!


No one said it had to be on water. Instead of setting a giant guy on fire, we drown 'im.


as for not blue being cold, I'm just thinking it's post-fondling. Happens all the time.


There's a lesson here for the observant: "it only happens if you stop"

Hmmm

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:46 PM

The Swedish job begins to take shape with the help of Rasper's skills.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

The Swedish job begins to take shape with the help of Rasper's skills.



Very nice, a touch of that spoon bow that the CA36 had. I saw one of your Valiant 40s out of the water in the yard by my house over the winter and looking at this one I really like how you were able to flatten out the aft sections, even more so than the V40 by the looks of it.

Well done Maestro!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

Sailman:
Thanks. I have always thought, going back to the V-40, the trick with the canoe stern was to keel the butts as flat as possible as long as possible. Transoms do that better but double enders can be pretty and in this case the client asked for a double ender.

As Hamlet put it, "There is a divinity that shapes our ends".

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

Sailman:
Thanks. I have always thought, going back to the V-40, the trick with the canoe stern was to keel the butts as flat as possible as long as possible. Transoms do that better but double enders can be pretty and in this case the client asked for a double ender.

As Hamlet put it, "There is a divinity that shapes our ends".


I thought it was my diet and lack of exercise.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 03:03 PM


Sailman:
Thanks. I have always thought, going back to the V-40, the trick with the canoe stern was to keel the butts as flat as possible as long as possible. Transoms do that better but double enders can be pretty and in this case the client asked for a double ender.

As Hamlet put it, "There is a divinity that shapes our ends".


I thought it was my diet and lack of exercise.


LOL Definitely the case for me.



Nice boat Bob. Whenever you put up those Rhino screen shots I want to zoom and rotate them but damnit they don't move!

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:15 PM

Rasper and I have been having fun working out the details to the Swedish clients boat. We bounce idea off each other and tray alternative approaches. Having Rasper and WHL to work with on these projects is far more productive than me just sitting in the shack working in isolation.

I'll post some more of the detail images soon. It's coming together quite nicely. As usual Jody's (Rasper) work is top notch.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:09 PM

The hull looks much more svelte in this rendering than in the more preliminary views. That is a sweet looking stern Bob.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:36 PM

Rasper and I have been having fun working out the details to the Swedish clients boat. We bounce idea off each other and tray alternative approaches. Having Rasper and WHL to work with on these projects is far more productive than me just sitting in the shack working in isolation.

I'll post some more of the detail images soon. It's coming together quite nicely. As usual Jody's (Rasper) work is top notch.



Beautiful.



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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:39 PM

Looks very good!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:41 AM

Hey Moonduster,

Were you the guy who let his boat go on the rocks in Fiji? If so you should have Bob design you one of these vessels

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:36 AM

The hull looks much more svelte in this rendering than in the more preliminary views. That is a sweet looking stern Bob.


Somehow 'svelte' goes so nicely with 'swedish'! I am continued to be amazed at how subtle design features become so much more apparent in the renders over the screen shots from the 3d modeling program. The renders in Octane especially really bring out things one might miss otherwise. And that is a signature sweet stern that Bob is so well known for, isn't it?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:55 AM


The hull looks much more svelte in this rendering than in the more preliminary views. That is a sweet looking stern Bob.


Somehow 'svelte' goes so nicely with 'swedish'! I am continued to be amazed at how subtle design features become so much more apparent in the renders over the screen shots from the 3d modeling program. The renders in Octane especially really bring out things one might miss otherwise. And that is a signature sweet stern that Bob is so well known for, isn't it?


Yep.

Which nVidia card are you running Octane on?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:16 AM

Rasper and I have been having fun working out the details to the Swedish clients boat. We bounce idea off each other and tray alternative approaches. Having Rasper and WHL to work with on these projects is far more productive than me just sitting in the shack working in isolation.

I'll post some more of the detail images soon. It's coming together quite nicely. As usual Jody's (Rasper) work is top notch.


I love the little kick back on the stern, its a much sexier stern than the V40 imho.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

It's like a tumble home stern ...
I reckon it would look sweet in the flesh.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:37 PM

Paps:
As I recall the Valiant 40 stern also has a "kickback" and that's why I have always called it a "tumblehome canoe stern".
As Don Henely once said, "I could be wrong, but I'm not."

The biggest difference in this stern compared to the V-40 stern is that the V-40 goes almost tangent at centerline at the sheer. On this stern I retained some point to the deck line.
I think, Paps, that this may be what you are seeing as the point emphasizes the "kickback" a bit.
Why did I go with more "point"? I just felt like it the day I drew that hull. Simple as that.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:49 PM



The hull looks much more svelte in this rendering than in the more preliminary views. That is a sweet looking stern Bob.


Somehow 'svelte' goes so nicely with 'swedish'! I am continued to be amazed at how subtle design features become so much more apparent in the renders over the screen shots from the 3d modeling program. The renders in Octane especially really bring out things one might miss otherwise. And that is a signature sweet stern that Bob is so well known for, isn't it?


Yep.

Which nVidia card are you running Octane on?



Jose,

I'm running a GTX 460 2GB for Octane and I have a GTX 260 for display. Octane renders are reasonably fast and I've come close to maxing out the 2GB video memory on the Catari model but still have plenty of overhead on the Swedish dbl ender. I've got to add a cove stripe and then will be doing some fully rigged renders later in the day and I'm pretty sure Bob will be generous to share some of them here. On of the nicest things about working with Bob on these projects has been when he says simply, 'This render makes me happy...' or 'I could look at that image all day'. So many little things become evident and we play a little game I call 'Where's Waldo' to see if something amiss gets spotted. Did you get your license for Octane yet?



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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:47 PM

I was wondering if the transition of the combing to the house is a pure design element or has a more practical function like a good spot to mount a soft dodger?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:26 PM

Steele:
What I am trying to do with that styling element is to give the impression that the cabin trunk is shorter than it actually is. It's my take on an old C&C trick. I think they invented it.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:36 PM

Rasper and I have been having fun working out the details to the Swedish clients boat. We bounce idea off each other and tray alternative approaches. Having Rasper and WHL to work with on these projects is far more productive than me just sitting in the shack working in isolation.

I'll post some more of the detail images soon. It's coming together quite nicely. As usual Jody's (Rasper) work is top notch.


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I just noticed the cabin hatch forward of the main hatch- it seems to be up on some kind of pyramid base.

Usually I'm missing something obvious, but what is this?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:43 PM

Tuck:
That is a double hatch on a box with two facets to the top. Kind of like a butterfly hatch turned 90 degrees.
Why did I do that?
I did that to add some interest to the boat and because the client wanted double hatches over the salon I thought this was an interesting way to do it. The client loves it. I tried to echo the hatch detail found on a lot of the square meter classes in Scandinavia. I just took some license with it. OK, quite a bit of license. Can't imagine doing the same old shite over and over and over again. Working with Rasper I can ask him to render a detail I have sketched then we both give it the hairy eyeball and see what we feel about it before presenting it to the client. In this case the client understood the detail and the origins of the detail immediately.

Have you guys checked out that thread on the SA forum where the Irish guy does the commentary on the Olympic Laser race? It's is hilarious.
Here is the link:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/5852

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:48 PM

Tuck:
That is a double hatch on a box with two facets to the top. Kind of like a butterfly hatch turned 90 degrees.
Why did I do that?
I did that to add some interest to the boat and because the client wanted double hatches over the salon I thought this was an interesting way to do it. The client loves it. I tried to echo the hatch detail found on a lot of the square meter classes in Scandinavia. I just took some license with it. OK, quite a bit of license. Can't imagine doing the same old shite over and over and over again. Working with Rasper I can ask him to render a detail I have sketched then we both give it the hairy eyeball and see what we feel about it before presenting it to the client. In this case the client understood the detail and the origins of the detail immediately.

Have you guys checked out that thread on the SA forum where the Irish guy does the commentary on the Olympic Laser race? It's is hilarious.



Thanks. I'm not familiar with the hatch you took liberty with. I like the cabin coaming effect and think it works to minimize the length of the cabin. I remember how profound the effect of a simple cabin side strake was on our Hinckley Pilot and the way the super arch of a Concordia cabin top makes the whole boat seem so much lower than it is- not that it isn't low compared to modern boats.



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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:02 PM

What I am trying to do with that styling element is to give the impression that the cabin trunk is shorter than it actually is.


I was fooled.

I went looking for a picture of the kind of hatch you described, but I didn't find one. Just this:

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pictures_2010/2010_09/Bum%20Sep26.jpg

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:44 PM


What I am trying to do with that styling element is to give the impression that the cabin trunk is shorter than it actually is.


I was fooled.

I went looking for a picture of the kind of hatch you described, but I didn't find one. Just this:

http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pictures_2010/2010_09/Bum%20Sep26.jpg


You must be brave to post something like that! Bob was just telling me about how he has been going to the dojo and you could be in dire danger... He says that anyone that tangles with him will never know what happened, mainly because he has no idea what he would do. Sort of flow of conciousness ass whooping. We will fill you in on the hatch with some renders soon. Patience, Grasshopper.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

Semi:
That's it exactly!
I'm seeing it in a different color though.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:31 AM

Paps:
As I recall the Valiant 40 stern also has a "kickback" and that's why I have always called it a "tumblehome canoe stern".
As Don Henely once said, "I could be wrong, but I'm not."

The biggest difference in this stern compared to the V-40 stern is that the V-40 goes almost tangent at centerline at the sheer. On this stern I retained some point to the deck line.
I think, Paps, that this may be what you are seeing as the point emphasizes the "kickback" a bit.
Why did I go with more "point"? I just felt like it the day I drew that hull. Simple as that.


Yes you are right Bob, the V40 looked "fatter". As someone said this stern looks "svelte". I had noticed the new take on a butterfly hatch too, it looks good and should give great ventilation without the leaks!

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:54 PM

Bob,

This is a BEAUTIFUL boat! Wow! Just WOW!

Two tiny items. First, I personally (and it is just personal) like more sheer to the cockpit combing (sp?), sort of a reflection of the sheer of the boat a little bit more. Sending the combing forward is a great way of making a long long trunk cabin look more balanced. I like it much better than putting a little dog house on there to break it up. Second, after what I learned by reading the Catarí thread, I think water is going to collect on the windward side right where the cockpit combing bumps out. In thinking about solutions to this, as I've got the same problem on S'agapo with a winch island against the cockpit combing, it is probably easy to put a small drain line in from the deck to the cockpit floor. I'm not going to run my out the side of the boat because that always seems to cause stains.

Really a graceful design and I'm not a big fan of double enders - I like counters.

BV

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:31 PM

BV:
I prefer a flatter, i.e. more horizontal line to the cockpit coaming for practical reasons. I first establish a coaming height to my benchmark for comfort and ease of climbing over then I shape the profile of the coaming for a nice look. But once I establish the required height I try not to exceed that just for looks. One of the reasons I carved that notch in the coaming was to make it easier to step over. If we need a drain there I think it would be best lead to the cockpit drains. They will be close by. I like to have them in the forward part of the well. You do not want water puddling up at the feet of the helmsman. I learned that on the V-40 one day in the rain, feeling stupid.

Stay tuned today. I have asked Jody for some splashy renderings that will show the latest work. Yesterday we solved a pesky problem involving the aft hatch and the rudder stock. I came up with a pretty good solution while driving to the barber, Then as I sat in the barber's chair relaxing a far better solution came to mind. Jody and I worked with this approach and come up with an interesting, effective and elegant solution. I love it when that happens. This will be one of those, "Did you see how they did that?" moments. At least I like to think that.

Thanks you for the encouragement.

Go US women's soccer team!
Go Hope Solo my Viking princess!

This image needs a cove stripe and a framnless detail for the hull ports but it's very close. I'll post some revised images later today. Jody is very responsive and works his ass off.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:18 AM

Bob do your interior piping schematics have a Sea Chest for raw water intake? On all the ships and large yachts they incorporate a sea chest that feeds a tank that all the raw water needs feed off. Reduces the number of holes in your boat to one and the tail shaft hopefully.. Is this something the industry is following or something an owner needs to ask for.?


BV:
I prefer a flatter, i.e. more horizontal line to the cockpit coaming for practical reasons. I first establish a coaming height to my benchmark for comfort and ease of climbing over then I shape the profile of the coaming for a nice look. But once I establish the required height I try not to exceed that just for looks. One of the reasons I carved that notch in the coaming was to make it easier to step over. If we need a drain there I think it would be best lead to the cockpit drains. They will be close by. I like to have them in the forward part of the well. You do not want water puddling up at the feet of the helmsman. I learned that on the V-40 one day in the rain, feeling stupid.

Stay tuned today. I have asked Jody for some splashy renderings that will show the latest work. Yesterday we solved a pesky problem involving the aft hatch and the rudder stock. I came up with a pretty good solution while driving to the barber, Then as I sat in the barber's chair relaxing a far better solution came to mind. Jody and I worked with this approach and come up with an interesting, effective and elegant solution. I love it when that happens. This will be one of those, "Did you see how they did that?" moments. At least I like to think that.

Thanks you for the encouragement.

Go US women's soccer team!
Go Hope Solo my Viking princess!

This image needs a cove stripe and a framnless detail for the hull ports but it's very close. I'll post some revised images later today. Jody is very responsive and works his ass off.





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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:21 AM

The coaming port hole is lame to me. I get being different but not quite this far out. The stern is well fashioned.


BV:
I prefer a flatter, i.e. more horizontal line to the cockpit coaming for practical reasons. I first establish a coaming height to my benchmark for comfort and ease of climbing over then I shape the profile of the coaming for a nice look. But once I establish the required height I try not to exceed that just for looks. One of the reasons I carved that notch in the coaming was to make it easier to step over. If we need a drain there I think it would be best lead to the cockpit drains. They will be close by. I like to have them in the forward part of the well. You do not want water puddling up at the feet of the helmsman. I learned that on the V-40 one day in the rain, feeling stupid.

Stay tuned today. I have asked Jody for some splashy renderings that will show the latest work. Yesterday we solved a pesky problem involving the aft hatch and the rudder stock. I came up with a pretty good solution while driving to the barber, Then as I sat in the barber's chair relaxing a far better solution came to mind. Jody and I worked with this approach and come up with an interesting, effective and elegant solution. I love it when that happens. This will be one of those, "Did you see how they did that?" moments. At least I like to think that.

Thanks you for the encouragement.

Go US women's soccer team!
Go Hope Solo my Viking princess!

This image needs a cove stripe and a framnless detail for the hull ports but it's very close. I'll post some revised images later today. Jody is very responsive and works his ass off.





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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:29 AM

I was looking for that clip ! (COK in the lead mind you.) You have a great sense of humor Bob. Thanks for posting that. Made my Canal transit shorter.

Tuck:
That is a double hatch on a box with two facets to the top. Kind of like a butterfly hatch turned 90 degrees.
Why did I do that?
I did that to add some interest to the boat and because the client wanted double hatches over the salon I thought this was an interesting way to do it. The client loves it. I tried to echo the hatch detail found on a lot of the square meter classes in Scandinavia. I just took some license with it. OK, quite a bit of license. Can't imagine doing the same old shite over and over and over again. Working with Rasper I can ask him to render a detail I have sketched then we both give it the hairy eyeball and see what we feel about it before presenting it to the client. In this case the client understood the detail and the origins of the detail immediately.

Have you guys checked out that thread on the SA forum where the Irish guy does the commentary on the Olympic Laser race? It's is hilarious.
Here is the link:

http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/5852



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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:04 AM

"Coaming port hole is lame". Really? I don't think you understand what it is providing. At that point the "coaming" is not a coaming. It has become the actual cabin trunk. If you have a better way of getting an opening port into the aft cabin I'd be interested in your idea.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:48 AM

I didn't get your extending a cabin that far aft with a view. It still doesn't resonate with me, but it might with the client I have no Money in this design only my pennies of thought.[

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"Coaming port hole is lame". Really? I don't think you understand what it is providing. At that point the "coaming" is not a coaming. It has become the actual cabin trunk. If you have a better way of getting an opening port into the aft cabin I'd be interested in your idea.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:04 AM

Bob it can't be both. If it is a coaming it is loaded with sail hardware and that resonants noises below. Bring me up to speed at what point did a coaming become a port hole for ventilation and fresh air?

"Coaming port hole is lame". Really? I don't think you understand what it is providing. At that point the "coaming" is not a coaming. It has become the actual cabin trunk. If you have a better way of getting an opening port into the aft cabin I'd be interested in your idea.



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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:52 AM

Cap:

I'll give it another shot. It really is not a complex feature. I prefer to let my drawings, in this case Rasper's renderings of my drawings, do the talking.

The coaming starts where the cabin trunk ends, i.e. where the companionway bulkhead is. Your definition of "coaming" is way too rigid for me. For me they are just shapes I can manipulated to achieve an aesthetic end that is satisfying to my client and me while not compromising the functions of the boat.


Try this:
The shape you see extending forward of the cockpit is the cabin trunk just sculpted to look like an extended coaming. This is a detail that C&C used many times over to create the impression that the cabin trunk was shorter than it really is, i.e. where does the coaming end and where does the cabin trunk start? I am deliberately confusing that line. You don't have to like it. Allow me to paraphrase Dr. Frankenfurter, "I didn't design it for you."
By the way, this feature was the client's idea and I thought I could do a good job with it. I like the result.

I'll post more images when I get them from Jody and I think if you take the time to study them you may understand what is going on.
Here are a few early images of the feature as it was in it's formative stage. Maybe they can help you understand.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

So the pink bit is the coaming and the bluey green bit is the cabin side, right. But the pink bit overlaps the blue greeny bit so that bit should really be purple. Now the purple bit needs a name, Im thinking its the Coabinside and the Coabinside can have anything it wants because its an individual.

There, sorted. Next question Cap? Or is that 10er, or maybe Ed.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:35 PM

Paps:
I think you have got it.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:37 PM

Paps:
I think you have got it.


I like it Maestro....

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:28 PM

Rasper has been hard at it, again. I'm beginning to warm up to this design. There is a lot of subtle complexity to the shapes.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:53 PM

Here is the "barber chair" solution to having an upper bearing and emergency tiller access that will not interefere with the aft hatch. Yes, we will need an extension on the emergency tiller. But that is generally the case anyway with the pedestal being an obstacle in most boats. There will be a stock Jefa cover plate over the head of the rudder post. I should get my hair cut more.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:47 PM

I get it now. The schematic helps explain what you are after.

Cap:

I'll give it another shot. It really is not a complex feature. I prefer to let my drawings, in this case Rasper's renderings of my drawings, do the talking.

The coaming starts where the cabin trunk ends, i.e. where the companionway bulkhead is. Your definition of "coaming" is way too rigid for me. For me they are just shapes I can manipulated to achieve an aesthetic end that is satisfying to my client and me while not compromising the functions of the boat.


Try this:
The shape you see extending forward of the cockpit is the cabin trunk just sculpted to look like an extended coaming. This is a detail that C&C used many times over to create the impression that the cabin trunk was shorter than it really is, i.e. where does the coaming end and where does the cabin trunk start? I am deliberately confusing that line. You don't have to like it. Allow me to paraphrase Dr. Frankenfurter, "I didn't design it for you."
By the way, this feature was the client's idea and I thought I could do a good job with it. I like the result.

I'll post more images when I get them from Jody and I think if you take the time to study them you may understand what is going on.
Here are a few early images of the feature as it was in it's formative stage. Maybe they can help you understand.



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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:17 PM

I was a bit unsure of the coaming, cabin, port configuration, but the addition of the dodger really ties it all together, for my eye at least.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:30 PM

Right Steele. Until we modeled the dodger, Bob was bothered about where the brow trim piece took the downturn to follow the edge of the coaming teak cap. The little triangle of cabin trunk side left aft of that point looked blank or featureless and we tried a couple of things. One was to run the brow straight on back to the bulkhead, but that left a 3 way intersection and then Bob came up with a panel in the same duff color of the non-skid with a white border around it that seems to help. Once the dodger was in place, it broke that panel up and it all looks right now. I'll eventually model a small raised lip that will accomodate a bolt rope track that the edge of the dodger can feed into as Bob and I are not fond of those 'Lift the Dot' studs that are often used in such a situation. We will await the clients review before doing much more at this point but the design is looking pretty nice and Bob and I are quite pleased so far. I think Bob is revising the inboard profile and I hope to get an opportunity to model an interior for this design. Stay tuned... Rasputin

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

Pearson did something similar in a much more modest way. In this pic of a Pearson 35, you can see the coaming overlaps the aft 10 inches or so of the house. They also ran a little deflector up to the top of the house to encourage rain and minor splash to go to the side and not back into the cockpit. This may have been intended to make the dodger easier to fit as well. I think of this design as Pearson's "Alberg phase." Because of the long stern overhang, the wheel is way forward in the cockpit which always seemed a little odd to me.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

Does UK slip you a little stipend?

A gratuity?

A fee?

An "incentive"?

An "inducement"?

Is there an "arrangement"?

Something "off the books"

A bribe?

Vigorish?

Payola?

Kickback?

A tribute?

"Da duke liked to wet his beak in everything." How about the Maestro? Lots of little honeypots in this day and age. Nudge, nudge, know what I mean, he's a player, right?

Say no more, say no more, nudge nudge wink wink.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

Pearson did something similar in a much more modest way. In this pic of a Pearson 35, you can see the coaming overlaps the aft 10 inches or so of the house. They also ran a little deflector up to the top of the house to encourage rain and minor splash to go to the side and not back into the cockpit. This may have been intended to make the dodger easier to fit as well. I think of this design as Pearson's "Alberg phase." Because of the long stern overhang, the wheel is way forward in the cockpit which always seemed a little odd to me.

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On our old columbia 40 the wheel was forward,about where it is on the Pearson. I rather liked it there,drier and warmer in bad weather and when it was just my wife and I whoever was helming could help with the headsail ,releasing and tailing.

Bob, I really like the looks of your new design. Nice butt,well done.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:36 PM

Does UK slip you a little stipend?

A gratuity?

A fee?

An "incentive"?

An "inducement"?

Is there an "arrangement"?

Something "off the books"

A bribe?

Vigorish?

Payola?

Kickback?

A tribute?

"Da duke liked to wet his beak in everything." How about the Maestro? Lots of little honeypots in this day and age. Nudge, nudge, know what I mean, he's a player, right?

Say no more, say no more, nudge nudge wink wink.


Tuck,

Nothing of the sort, nudge nudge wink wink... Bob had nothing to do with that logo in the renderings. UK simply made available on the interweb a nice clean high resolution jpeg of several of their sails that I used to texture the 3d surface of the mainsail in my 3d modeling sofware Rhino. Can I mention the software name here or are you going to go on about that too? If North had made an equally usable image available I might have used it, or any other sail loft. In fact I almost used a downloaded image from Win Fowler, one of your Maine sailmakers, would that be better. I didn't think a Fat Head F31 main would look right though.

I used a UK image on a jib for the Catari renderings lately and folks on that thread objected to the blue Sunbrella suncover so in the course of changing that to tan I edited the UK logo out. If you would like to pay the design fees, I'd be glad to do the same or use your preferred sailmaker. Smyth? Calvert? Who do you use? Rasp

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:52 PM

Vik:
I did a couple of V-40's with the pedestal mouunted on the bridge deck. I rather liked it.

Tuck:
I have UK sails on the mighty PERRYWINKLE.
When we do your custom boat you can buy your sails from wherever you like.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

Tuck,

Nothing of the sort, nudge nudge wink wink... Bob had nothing to do with that logo in the renderings. UK simply made available on the interweb a nice clean high resolution jpeg of several of their sails that I used to texture the 3d surface of the mainsail in my 3d modeling sofware Rhino. Can I mention the software name here or are you going to go on about that too? If North had made an equally usable image available I might have used it, or any other sail loft. In fact I almost used a downloaded image from Win Fowler, one of your Maine sailmakers, would that be better. I didn't think a Fat Head F31 main would look right though.

I used a UK image on a jib for the Catari renderings lately and folks on that thread objected to the blue Sunbrella suncover so in the course of changing that to tan I edited the UK logo out. If you would like to pay the design fees, I'd be glad to do the same or use your preferred sailmaker. Smyth? Calvert? Who do you use? Rasp


Here's one I made up quickly- no royalties necessary. Is there a WLYDO division for sails?

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 07:20 PM


Tuck,

Nothing of the sort, nudge nudge wink wink... Bob had nothing to do with that logo in the renderings. UK simply made available on the interweb a nice clean high resolution jpeg of several of their sails that I used to texture the 3d surface of the mainsail in my 3d modeling sofware Rhino. Can I mention the software name here or are you going to go on about that too? If North had made an equally usable image available I might have used it, or any other sail loft. In fact I almost used a downloaded image from Win Fowler, one of your Maine sailmakers, would that be better. I didn't think a Fat Head F31 main would look right though.

I used a UK image on a jib for the Catari renderings lately and folks on that thread objected to the blue Sunbrella suncover so in the course of changing that to tan I edited the UK logo out. If you would like to pay the design fees, I'd be glad to do the same or use your preferred sailmaker. Smyth? Calvert? Who do you use? Rasp


Here's one I made up quickly- no royalties necessary. Is there a WLYDO division for sails?

Attached File  Sales Sails Logo.jpg   720.9K   7 downloads


Thanks Tuck! Bob and I are working on an official WLYDO Sail Department logo as we speak. He wanted that mainsail two blocked for the renders so I'm on it now. Rasp




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Posted 10 August 2012 - 11:41 PM

I'm amazed you managed to accommodate such a big cabin trunk so well. It is a monster proportionally but hides itself well.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:12 AM

I usually send everything to Bob and let him pick what he wants to share here, but he must be off buying guitar strings this afternoon in prep for the PerryPalooza so I just wanted to let everyone see the official sailmaker logo for the WLYDO since I was so roundly chastised for giving free advertising for UK. I have to admit however that I had some nice sponsorship for two prior racing campaigns from UK and am still somewhat partial to their product. But due to popular demand we now are promoting the latest technology in sailmaking, 'High Tech Filament Unification' or as Bob and I like to call it HTFU SAILS. Everyone better get in line because this process is going to be a real game changer in the business and if you don't spend the money on these sails, then HTFU and quits your crying. Our Director of Sales will be the Irish Olympic Sailing commentator Chris Tordoff who will bring his intimate knowledge of the sport of sailing to our team. http://www.liveleak....=510_1344196881

We hope to have HTFU Sails T-shirts available soon. Stay Tuned!

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:50 AM

That line from the cockpit to the cabin house is sweeeeet.

Is there a chance we could print out some of those sail labels?

I wouldn't mind putting them on my sails now.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:51 AM

Working on that Olaf. I just knew they would be a hit!

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:12 AM

I usually send everything to Bob and let him pick what he wants to share here, but he must be off buying guitar strings this afternoon in prep for the PerryPalooza so I just wanted to let everyone see the official sailmaker logo for the WLYDO since I was so roundly chastised for giving free advertising for UK. I have to admit however that I had some nice sponsorship for two prior racing campaigns from UK and am still somewhat partial to their product. But due to popular demand we now are promoting the latest technology in sailmaking, 'High Tech Filament Unification' or as Bob and I like to call it HTFU SAILS. Everyone better get in line because this process is going to be a real game changer in the business and if you don't spend the money on these sails, then HTFU and quits your crying. Our Director of Sales will be the Irish Olympic Sailing commentator Chris Tordoff who will bring his intimate knowledge of the sport of sailing to our team. http://www.liveleak....=510_1344196881

We hope to have HTFU Sails T-shirts available soon. Stay Tuned!

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The F is too exotic. Something more pedestrian needed.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:23 AM


I usually send everything to Bob and let him pick what he wants to share here, but he must be off buying guitar strings this afternoon in prep for the PerryPalooza so I just wanted to let everyone see the official sailmaker logo for the WLYDO since I was so roundly chastised for giving free advertising for UK. I have to admit however that I had some nice sponsorship for two prior racing campaigns from UK and am still somewhat partial to their product. But due to popular demand we now are promoting the latest technology in sailmaking, 'High Tech Filament Unification' or as Bob and I like to call it HTFU SAILS. Everyone better get in line because this process is going to be a real game changer in the business and if you don't spend the money on these sails, then HTFU and quits your crying. Our Director of Sales will be the Irish Olympic Sailing commentator Chris Tordoff who will bring his intimate knowledge of the sport of sailing to our team. http://www.liveleak....=510_1344196881

We hope to have HTFU Sails T-shirts available soon. Stay Tuned!

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The F is too exotic. Something more pedestrian needed.


I knew that would be coming so here is the backup. You guys...

Rasp

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 01:40 AM

Nah... that block capital font is too unimaginative

The first one in the profile pic has subtlety, and worthy of WLYDO standards for fine boats. B)

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:03 AM

Rasper:
I'm with Sav on this. Stick with the original design. It's good. Now clean up the "F" so I can tell it's an "F".

You know, if we have a logo and sail patches and we have T shirts we are going to need a loft next. The Hungster can run it.
Then we will need a factory racing team. Cheerleaders?
I'll put kdh on the cheerleader committee.

I predict these sails will sell well in Australia. We'll make Paps the Aussie rep and put Pig in charge of repairs.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:08 AM

Nah... that block capital font is too unimaginative

The first one in the profile pic has subtlety, and worthy of WLYDO standards for fine boats. B)


As Bob has often stated, the WLYDO offers something for everyone. And if you don't like it, then HTFU! I agree WHL, the stylized F in the first one does the job for me, bringing new subtlety to the F word...

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:44 PM

That is just such an amazing stern.

I can't imagine the client being anything but pleased as punch.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:29 PM

. Cheerleaders?
I'll put kdh on the cheerleader committee.

I predict these sails will sell well in Australia.


"KD, I'm putting you in charge of cheerleaders. But NO crotchstraps. Except in Australia."

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:57 PM

Nah... that block capital font is too unimaginative

The first one in the profile pic has subtlety, and worthy of WLYDO standards for fine boats. B)


Yeah but dummies like me won't know it's an F.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:08 PM



I usually send everything to Bob and let him pick what he wants to share here, but he must be off buying guitar strings this afternoon in prep for the PerryPalooza so I just wanted to let everyone see the official sailmaker logo for the WLYDO since I was so roundly chastised for giving free advertising for UK. I have to admit however that I had some nice sponsorship for two prior racing campaigns from UK and am still somewhat partial to their product. But due to popular demand we now are promoting the latest technology in sailmaking, 'High Tech Filament Unification' or as Bob and I like to call it HTFU SAILS. Everyone better get in line because this process is going to be a real game changer in the business and if you don't spend the money on these sails, then HTFU and quits your crying. Our Director of Sales will be the Irish Olympic Sailing commentator Chris Tordoff who will bring his intimate knowledge of the sport of sailing to our team. http://www.liveleak....=510_1344196881

We hope to have HTFU Sails T-shirts available soon. Stay Tuned!

Rasputin


The F is too exotic. Something more pedestrian needed.


I knew that would be coming so here is the backup. You guys...

Rasp


Maybe cut the F from 3 stripes down to two and make each one a little shorter at the top. Everyone needs to know that it's an F. If all the assembled mob go " Huh ?" then the designer has failed. You only get 2 seconds to pass your message on to each looker. I got that from a billboard designer.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:20 PM

Maybe cut the F from 3 stripes down to two and make each one a little shorter at the top. Everyone needs to know that it's an F. If all the assembled mob go " Huh ?" then the designer has failed. You only get 2 seconds to pass your message on to each looker. I got that from a billboard designer.


Billboards? how crass... WLYDO boats get longer than a 2 second look and no one really needs to know what each letter means. It's unique, distinctly associated with WLYDO and represents subtle creativity. Man I dislike in-your-face billboards or fast talking ads.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:29 PM

I like the exotic "F" and I think we should have some exotic cheerleaders to go along with it. Like Lolo Jones. She's beautiful. I think many of the Olympians are beautiful.

Bob, I've never seen more sailing length in a traditional looking design. Well done, Maestro. Sailing length doesn't have to involve a cookie cutter, apparently.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:34 PM



Maybe cut the F from 3 stripes down to two and make each one a little shorter at the top. Everyone needs to know that it's an F. If all the assembled mob go " Huh ?" then the designer has failed. You only get 2 seconds to pass your message on to each looker. I got that from a billboard designer.


Billboards? how crass... WLYDO boats get longer than a 2 second look and no one really needs to know what each letter means. It's unique, distinctly associated with WLYDO and represents subtle creativity. Man I dislike in-your-face billboards or fast talking ads.


It really isn't valid to compare the boat with the logo. A logo that no one can read is a useless logo.




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