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[gybe-ho!]

The new J/V 72 Stig arrives in Valencia




Photos by Isa, yachtmoving.es

Full article here: clicky

Should be interesting, her first outing looks like Copa del Rey, her 'sistership' Bella Mente will also be there. Both boats are developments of Ran.

[Terrorvision]

That looks slick. Does the owner of Stig have game?

[gybe-ho!]

Someone involved in the programme was posting in the Bella Mente thread, but I can't find the posts anymore. They've moved up from a Baltic 65 C/R, game or no game, he's got $$$'s...sorry, €€€'s!

[Mexican]

RAN sistership? Bella Mente? [edit]

Mex

[strop]

Shit hot. Will be interesting to see how it goes against the RAN.

[gybe-ho!]

Interesting to see the differing thoughts on deck layouts:

Bella


Stig


Bella has both pit winches on the Stbd side and the pedestals are mounted 1 fwd, 1 mid, 2 aft. Whereas Stig is more conventional with Port and Stbd pit winches, 2 pedestals fwd, 1 mid and 1 aft.

[SR CHIEF (RET)]

bad ass!

[MacGregor_Lover]

The Stig has always been a mystery on BBC Top Gear. Maybe the dudes from Top Gear will do a segment on this boat Maybe the owner is the really "The Stig "

[Presuming Ed]

Interesting to see the differing thoughts on deck layouts:
Bella has both pit winches on the Stbd side and the pedestals are mounted 1 fwd, 1 mid, 2 aft. Whereas Stig is more conventional with Port and Stbd pit winches, 2 pedestals fwd, 1 mid and 1 aft.

Inshore/offshore bias? + maybe lighter wind med (with crew forward), vs a heavier wind emphasis (primary grinders aft).

[Gunny]

SOme say the owner of this boat eats carbon for breakfast, all we know is he's rich.

[gybe-ho!]

Interesting to see the differing thoughts on deck layouts:
Bella has both pit winches on the Stbd side and the pedestals are mounted 1 fwd, 1 mid, 2 aft. Whereas Stig is more conventional with Port and Stbd pit winches, 2 pedestals fwd, 1 mid and 1 aft.

Inshore/offshore bias? + maybe lighter wind med (with crew forward), vs a heavier wind emphasis (primary grinders aft).

I'd certainly say the pedestals aft and so far split would be to concentrate weight up and out when stacked aft for off the wind, as you say maybe an offshore/inshore focus of reach of the boats.

[Presuming Ed]

Some say the owner of this boat eats carbon for breakfast, all we know is he's rich.

Perhaps he's the reincarnation of Black Stig?

[Left Hook]

Interesting to see the differing thoughts on deck layouts:
Bella has both pit winches on the Stbd side and the pedestals are mounted 1 fwd, 1 mid, 2 aft. Whereas Stig is more conventional with Port and Stbd pit winches, 2 pedestals fwd, 1 mid and 1 aft.

Inshore/offshore bias? + maybe lighter wind med (with crew forward), vs a heavier wind emphasis (primary grinders aft).

I'd certainly say the pedestals aft and so far split would be to concentrate weight up and out when stacked aft for off the wind, as you say maybe an offshore/inshore focus of reach of the boats.

Notocing a bit more volume belowdecks on Bella under the cockpit than Stig both in terms of cockpit depth and the overhangs aft. Room for pipe berths offshore?

[MKF]

Interesting to see the differing thoughts on deck layouts:

Bella


Stig


Bella has both pit winches on the Stbd side and the pedestals are mounted 1 fwd, 1 mid, 2 aft. Whereas Stig is more conventional with Port and Stbd pit winches, 2 pedestals fwd, 1 mid and 1 aft.

Not sure your correct about pit winches. Need to see clearer picture, thinking starboard set up is very much standard now days.

Great looking toy!

[Presuming Ed]

http://www.baltic72grandprix.com

[Presuming Ed]

http://www.baltic72g...rix.com/crew-2/

Navigator's well named...Silvio Arrivabene

[chicagosos]

What are the aft pedestals on both boats used for? Spin Trim?

[Gorn FRANTIC!!]

What are the aft pedestals on both boats used for? Spin Trim?

Correct

[The Q]

It's widely speculated that the Stig from Top Gear is a formula one driver as well.....if that is the case he most certainly has the cash to afford this beauty.

[Ballast Technician]

That looks slick. Does the owner of Stig have game?

More game than most people on this site: http://www.melges20....p=news/&id=1287

[Windward Mark]

What are the aft pedestals on both boats used for? Spin Trim?

Correct

Probably linked into a couple of winches, but most likely use is for the runners/backstays. Very much doubt they would be top handling them.

[Presuming Ed]

Can't believe on a boat this size you wouldn't link all the pedestals. Minimal weight penalty for maximum benefit.

[mad]

http://www.baltic72grandprix.com



Would have though they'd have flipped it over for the sanding and painting, plus the internal hull/deck join.

Just an idea

[Lostmydetailsagain]

Would have though they'd have flipped it over for the sanding and painting, plus the internal hull/deck join.

Just an idea

You can't flip the boat if you are required to install hydraulic and electrical systems as well as structure at the same time...


Boat should be afloat by midweek is my understanding and I hope Mr Pierre/VSAIL is able to give us a couple of photos with the appendages installed and rig in: boat is currently at Victory Challenge Yard.

[mad]

Would have though they'd have flipped it over for the sanding and painting, plus the internal hull/deck join.

Just an idea

You can't flip the boat if you are required to install hydraulic and electrical systems as well as structure at the same time...

Unikely to be doing that while still joining hull and deck and bulkheads to deck, all operations are faster with it flipped, but each to their own.

[Lostmydetailsagain]

Would have though they'd have flipped it over for the sanding and painting, plus the internal hull/deck join.

Just an idea

You can't flip the boat if you are required to install hydraulic and electrical systems as well as structure at the same time...

Unikely to be doing that while still joining hull and deck and bulkheads to deck, all operations are faster with it flipped, but each to their own.

Unlikely under normal circumstances but the timetable for this boat was a little compressed to say the least. Tooling started in November, entire boat constructed in 7 months with around 1 week spare between ready to sail for the first time and first race start... And its not an easy boat from the structures and systems point of view... Impressive combination of the various suppliers getting everything sorted in the time span available.

[mad]

Would have though they'd have flipped it over for the sanding and painting, plus the internal hull/deck join.

Just an idea

You can't flip the boat if you are required to install hydraulic and electrical systems as well as structure at the same time...

Unikely to be doing that while still joining hull and deck and bulkheads to deck, all operations are faster with it flipped, but each to their own.

Unlikely under normal circumstances but the timetable for this boat was a little compressed to say the least. Tooling started in November, entire boat constructed in 7 months with around 1 week spare between ready to sail for the first time and first race start... And its not an easy boat from the structures and systems point of view... Impressive combination of the various suppliers getting everything sorted in the time span available.

Fair enough, didn't realise it was such a compressed build schedule.

[Presuming Ed]

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[MisterMoon]

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Fail on the ensign. Get one that fits, wouldya?

[Bow Monkey]

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Fail on the ensign. Get one that fits, wouldya?

Ummm.... I was under the impression that the "proper" size was a flag that just kissed the water when at rest. Sort of like Stig's ensign.

[Presuming Ed]

AIUI, that's the sizing the Dutch and Danish use. And just kissed is exactly that - a few mm immersed. Standard UK ensign sizing recommendation is 1" of fly per 1' LOA.

I'm wondering why she wears the red duster anyway, what with the owner being Italian (and seemingly not based in based in Italy). I'm guessing tax, but have no idea about machinations.

[some dude]

what's it rate?

[Bitter Gnat]

Sweet.

Nice little tender in the background there as well.

[~HHN92~]

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Is it an optical illusion or does the aft section of the cockpit behind the traveler slope down, making the transom lower than Belle?

[punter]

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Is it an optical illusion or does the aft section of the cockpit behind the traveler slope down, making the transom lower than Belle?

It slopes down

[Terrorvision]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

[mad]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

Monkey boats??

[MisterMoon]

Black decks are incentive to keep everyone's butts on the rail, otherwise they fry like an egg.

[Starwax]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

Monkey boats??

Dancing around like monkeys on a hot deck? I was wondering the same thing...

[mad]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

Monkey boats??

Dancing around like monkeys on a hot deck? I was wondering the same thing...

That was my guess as well, feel sorry for the crew when they have their first light wind drifter.

[Terrorvision]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

Monkey boats??

Dancing around like monkeys on a hot deck? I was wondering the same thing...

Exactly, whilst going 'oohh oohh, ahh,ahh'.

[Ballast Technician]

Black decks make for monkey boats. That looks very, very, very nice though, there'll be smiles all round when she tucks into her first big wave with the kite up.

Monkey boats??

Dancing around like monkeys on a hot deck? I was wondering the same thing...

Exactly, whilst going 'oohh oohh, ahh,ahh'.

Obviously not a huge fan of it, but black cockpit does not really make much of difference. Completely black decks, cockpit, and topsides (like on Jethou - even the crew uniforms were black!) are a different story...

[Terrorvision]

Does if you sail barefoot or if you're on the cockpit sole for any reason. I was on Gaetan's Longtze when I first experienced the monkey boat syndrome!

[jkdubs808]

Damn sexy is all I got to say. Damn sexy.....

[MSA]

Does if you sail barefoot or if you're on the cockpit sole for any reason. I was on Gaetan's Longtze when I first experienced the monkey boat syndrome!

You would be hanged, drawn and quartered for trying to sail bare footed on a program/boat like that.

[Ballast Technician]

Does if you sail barefoot or if you're on the cockpit sole for any reason. I was on Gaetan's Longtze when I first experienced the monkey boat syndrome!

You would be hanged, drawn and quartered for trying to sail bare footed on a program/boat like that.

Not so much that they will not let you know, but you really, really do not want to go barefoot on the kind of non-skid used. Sandpaper has got nothing on this shit - and it gets replaced regularly.

Only delivery crew and BNs might go barefoot on this. Sailors while racing, no way.

[MSA]

Thats because a BN's hands, feet and knees are covered in calluses from all the........ Im sure you know what they get up to...

[valenciasailing]

There you have the brand new STIG72 on her first sail. Four hours of sailing off the Malvarosa beach in Valencia on Saturday afternoon:

[gybe-ho!]

Looking good, thanks for the photos.

[dacapo]

There you have the brand new STIG72 on her first sail. Four hours of sailing off the Malvarosa beach in Valencia on Saturday afternoon:

wtf is up with that main's graphics....I know, the owner is Flavor Flav....yea boyeeeeeeeee

[valenciasailing]

And another one:

[Donjoman]

Wheres the 'like' button. Sweet

I wonder if that sloping deck has any grip on it...could get interesting

[Raked aft \\]

And another one:

Nice to see the US built Hall team still on the cutting edge in the stick biz...

Lookn like stringy vangs and boom toppers are back in style though

[I Am The Stig]

What's the reasoning behind the sail number being Italian, and the transom saying London? Sail=owner / Transom=where the taxes worked out the best?

[DogBalls]

not a boom topper, looks like a spare halyard. go back 1 page, towards the bottom there's an image and it looks like a halyard lock on spectra....

[Raked aft \\]

not a boom topper, looks like a spare halyard. go back 1 page, towards the bottom there's an image and it looks like a halyard lock on spectra....

Call it a spare halyard or whatever. if it holds the boom up while the main's down or being reefed it's a boom topping lift to me...

[Matagi]

what's it rate?

1.597
Slower than Bella Mente (1.620)

Note to Carkeek: Speed up working on HPR! Obviously needed.

[atwinda]

not a boom topper, looks like a spare halyard. go back 1 page, towards the bottom there's an image and it looks like a halyard lock on spectra....

Call it a spare halyard or whatever. if it holds the boom up while the main's down or being reefed it's a boom topping lift to me...

Uh... that would be the leeward runner.

[MSA]

Negative on the runner, zoom in and you can see the black runner aft of the white line. And the string vang because it goes to a Hydraulic pump in the bilge..

Pierre did you get to see what that "Halyard/topper/what ever the fuck" is?

[Bitter Gnat]

not a boom topper, looks like a spare halyard. go back 1 page, towards the bottom there's an image and it looks like a halyard lock on spectra....

Call it a spare halyard or whatever. if it holds the boom up while the main's down or being reefed it's a boom topping lift to me...

Uh... that would be the leeward runner.

Look at the shot from the stern. There is a blue line connected to the end of the boom. Looks like a topper to me. Saving weight with a string vang.

[Lostmydetailsagain]

Having seen the boats in Palma: new Bella Mente (J/V 72) has an in-line 3 spreader rig from Hall USA.

new Stig (J/V 72) has a swept 3 spreader rig from Hall Holland. Vang on Stig is a strop only and from what I heard on the dock, some of the crew have got to get used to that so up until raceday 1 they will sail with a MH Spin halyard attached. You can see the lock bullet if you look properly in the photos.

The real interesting thing will be to see how Ran (J/V 72) lines up against the others next week. Dialled in versus latest and greatest but untested...

And your sailnumber is based on the country of the boat/owner for national sailing authority versus homeport (on the back and the flag that goes with it: in this case a red ensign) which is taxes and regulations for when the boat is not racing. I'm guessing the company that pays the sailors and the bills is registered in the UK but wholly owned by the Italian mr Stig: Rombelli.

[Presuming Ed]

@stigsailing

[Bitter Gnat]

Grip-taped the ramp on the back. Perfect.

[hermetic]

Grip-taped the ramp on the back. Perfect.

Nothing worse than a slippery bathroom floor.

[Presuming Ed]

The real interesting thing will be to see how Ran (J/V 72) lines up against the others next week. Dialled in versus latest and greatest but untested...

Racing now.

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[gybe-ho!]

Results after 2 races:

Ran 1,2 =3
Jethou 4,1 =5
Bella Mente 2,5 =7
Stig 3,4 =7
Shockwave 5,3 =8
Hi Fling 6,6 =12

[valenciasailing]

Here's a set of photos from Thursday's races. In the 6-10 knot breeze it seemed to be faster than RAN and Bellamente: http://www.facebook....25846100&type=1

[Obsessed]

Results suggest otherwise...

[Tanton Y_M]

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[gybe-ho!]

A word from the bow of Bella Mente:

Light air was the motto of the day. Our first race was sailed in 7-9 knots. We had an average start in the middle of the line but a little too far back.
We worked the left side of the course but ended up getting rolled to windward by Stig on the port layline. After that, we had to sail in their gas all the way to the top mark. Painful. We had a decent set and seemed to go average on the run. We struggled to gain any positions for the rest of the race.
The second race we got a nice start at the pin. We worked our way to the left again but found ourselves getting rolled by Stig on the port layline. Same movie… Again, we struggled to gain any positions for the rest of the race. On the upside, our boat handling was more crisp and we cleaned a few things up. Our light air sets have made an improvement, although we still feel that there are some more gains to be had there. We definitely struggled for speed all day in the light air. Our boat is moded for a bit more breeze and it showed today. So now our challenge is to squeeze some better performance out of the boat in the light.
2 more races tomorrow.
Doogie

Bella's Website

[aquila]

anyone know if any of these 3 boats are plnning on doing the 2012 sydney-hobart?

[Left Hook]

Last I checked/cared/heard Bella had the Hobart on their schedule. No idea if that's changed or not.